MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-06-13

2007-06-13T00:01:47  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: if you look how the code was before, that was a big step forward :-P
2007-06-13T00:07:49  <zenhase> hehe ok
2007-06-13T00:09:02  <ThomasWaldmann> and you can make it all super clean and fast :D
2007-06-13T00:09:08  * starshine recommends not looking without taking your vitamin C first.
2007-06-13T00:09:09  <zenhase> that's what i am here for :>
2007-06-13T00:10:15  <starshine> and then when your new theme behavior is looking clean let me try to reimplement one of the messier Themes from the market
2007-06-13T00:11:11  <zenhase> when the prototype is done, it will use genshi for only few things and will do most stuff by wrapping up ThemeBase-methods in ${Markup(...)} calls in the template
2007-06-13T00:11:39  <zenhase> then i will start refactoring the hell out of it and by the end of summer there won't be anymore of those necessary :D
2007-06-13T00:12:40  <starshine> erm
2007-06-13T00:13:07  <starshine> things like Balanced do other things that are decisions based, not just painting items at a different place on screen
2007-06-13T00:13:18  <starshine> and allow admins to include bits of scrap html
2007-06-13T00:13:45  <ThomasWaldmann> or even crap html :D
2007-06-13T00:14:01  <starshine> I don't think that's something that will be covered by code that merely allows modern, rightsidebar to be served equally by one coretheme
2007-06-13T00:14:08  <starshine> ThomasWaldmann: quite true.
2007-06-13T00:14:44  <starshine> necessary maybe no? but people wanting to do these strange things? absolutely less
2007-06-13T00:14:48  <starshine> *yes
2007-06-13T00:14:57  <starshine> it's why I've been paid money now and then to work on moin
2007-06-13T00:14:58  <starshine> :D
2007-06-13T00:15:14  <zenhase> starshine: don't think so too
2007-06-13T00:15:32  <starshine> huh?
2007-06-13T00:15:36  <zenhase> @ ... modern, rightsidebar ... coretheme
2007-06-13T00:15:36  <moinBot`> zenhase: Error: "..." is not a valid command.
2007-06-13T00:15:50  <ThomasWaldmann> heh
2007-06-13T00:15:55  <zenhase> hello moinBot` :>
2007-06-13T00:16:09  <zenhase> moinBot`: sorry if i disturbed you ;)
2007-06-13T00:16:09  <moinBot`> zenhase: Error: "sorry" is not a valid command.
2007-06-13T00:16:15  <starshine> rofl
2007-06-13T00:16:23  <zenhase> argh ... did it again :)
2007-06-13T00:16:47  <zenhase> apropos bot ... this CIA-bot ... is it a freenode service?
2007-06-13T00:17:07  <zenhase> or is it something by the python-community?
2007-06-13T00:17:26  <zenhase> s/something/something done
2007-06-13T00:18:49  <xorAxAx> zenhase: neither nor
2007-06-13T00:18:52  <xorAxAx> its a service by CIA
2007-06-13T00:19:31  <zenhase> o_O
2007-06-13T00:19:59  <xorAxAx> which is not the CIA somebody normally would refer to
2007-06-13T00:20:51  <zenhase> my other gsoc-friend here at entropia told me they have NSA-bots in some other opensource-ircnetwork where his project is located
2007-06-13T00:21:10  <zenhase> kinda amusing
2007-06-13T00:21:16  <xorAxAx> OFTC?
2007-06-13T00:21:22  <zenhase> yeah
2007-06-13T00:21:29  <zenhase> that's the one :>
2007-06-13T00:21:31  <xorAxAx> URL to information about this incident?
2007-06-13T00:21:55  <zenhase> no url, he told me this afternoon
2007-06-13T00:22:05  <dreimark> zenhase: modern_cms  too
2007-06-13T00:22:26  <zenhase> dreimark: sorry, i lost context somewhere
2007-06-13T00:22:35  <zenhase> dreimark: what are you referring too?
2007-06-13T00:23:06  <dreimark> 00:15:36) zenhase: @ ... modern, rightsidebar ... coretheme
2007-06-13T00:23:35  <xorAxAx> zenhase: does he have sources?
2007-06-13T00:23:50  <zenhase> xorAxAx: i can ask him tomorrow
2007-06-13T00:24:26  <zenhase> xorAxAx: perhaps in the TOR-channels on oftc
2007-06-13T00:24:41  <xorAxAx> which project does he work for?
2007-06-13T00:24:44  <zenhase> tor
2007-06-13T00:24:56  <zenhase> writes a fuzzing-framework
2007-06-13T00:24:58  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-06-13T00:25:05  <xorAxAx> sounds cool
2007-06-13T00:25:11  <zenhase> yeah
2007-06-13T00:25:57  <dreimark> xorAxAx: OFTC ?
2007-06-13T00:25:58  <zenhase> he accidently found 2 showstoppers in tor already before gsoc-coding even started
2007-06-13T00:26:00  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, looking at pikipiki or moin 0.1 is also quite interesting. "where it all began"
2007-06-13T00:26:41  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: when the code was small and concise?
2007-06-13T00:26:55  <dreimark> http://www.oftc.net/ is it that
2007-06-13T00:26:56  <xorAxAx> dreimark: is the name of an irc network
2007-06-13T00:26:59  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-06-13T00:27:24  <grzywacz> ;s
2007-06-13T00:27:42  <zenhase> regarding the 2 bugs in tor: he had a bug in his fuzz-packet-generator he wrote
2007-06-13T00:27:55  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-06-13T00:27:57  <zenhase> it didn't send out a part of the packet
2007-06-13T00:28:19  <zenhase> figures that triggered a bug in tor resulting in coredump of the tor-server the packet was directed at
2007-06-13T00:28:26  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-13T00:28:29  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: yes. and full of prints X)
2007-06-13T00:28:34  <grzywacz> :D
2007-06-13T00:28:37  <zenhase> quite a start into gsoc :>
2007-06-13T00:28:47  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: hehe, cgi for the win?
2007-06-13T00:29:00  <grzywacz> xmlrpc functions are starting to annoy me ;]
2007-06-13T00:29:56  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: why?
2007-06-13T00:30:42  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, because I fail at noticing that I'm using a wrong port number and raised exceptions are not very helpful at finding it out ;D
2007-06-13T00:31:25  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-13T00:31:32  <zenhase> grzywacz: nothing beats MySQLdb-exceptions ... those are the worst i have seen so far in python
2007-06-13T00:31:46  <grzywacz> zenhase, haven't used it 8)
2007-06-13T00:32:19  <zenhase> OperationalError and a often garbled string that was given by the mysql-server as content
2007-06-13T00:32:28  <grzywacz> sad
2007-06-13T00:33:00  <zenhase> impossible to find out what actually went wrong by dispatching on different exception-types
2007-06-13T00:33:18  <zenhase> (well, i think there are a few more, but this one is the one i get most of the time)
2007-06-13T00:35:40  <grzywacz> Fault: <Fault 1: 'exceptions.Exception:method "getAuthToken" is not supported'>
2007-06-13T00:35:41  <grzywacz> Puzzling...
2007-06-13T00:38:23  <dreimark> gn all
2007-06-13T00:43:12  <grzywacz> Hm, ok. Solved. ;]
2007-06-13T00:58:27  <grzywacz> Woot, an endless loop.
2007-06-13T00:59:10  <grzywacz> haha, silly
2007-06-13T01:33:09  <zenhase> ++ i finally get something that could count as a full page rendering
2007-06-13T01:33:42  <zenhase> -- it does not quite look good (tho it resembles modern.py output)
2007-06-13T01:45:47  <grzywacz> Show us! :DS
2007-06-13T02:04:28  <zenhase> need to implement the footer-method of modern.py first ... perhaps this will solve the remaining strange behaviour
2007-06-13T02:05:15  <zenhase> (this and that i missed a class-attribute here or there on some tags)
2007-06-13T02:58:40  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-13T02:59:09  <zenhase> this is so totally something i am not proud to put in a changeset D:
2007-06-13T03:03:48  <grzywacz> ;]
2007-06-13T03:49:08  <zenhase> if you look at it from the end of a 20m hallway it may look like modern.py: http://eigensex.org:2323/wiki/FrontPage
2007-06-13T03:49:49  <zenhase> RecentChanges looks broken for example
2007-06-13T03:50:09  <zenhase> and the head should have no strange borders
2007-06-13T03:50:35  <zenhase> will have to debug with some css-tools tomorrow, but today i am too tired :>
2007-06-13T03:51:02  <CIA-27> moin: Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> * 2050:82a1c3cff31a 1.7-template-fkrupicka/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Further assembly of ThemeBase and start of a modern.py port (looks awful right now)
2007-06-13T03:51:04  <CIA-27> moin: Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> * 2051:707c40ffef46 1.7-template-fkrupicka/MoinMoin/ (PageEditor.py PageGraphicalEditor.py): Fixed .write spot missed in previous fix (and a stupid typo introduced then)
2007-06-13T07:58:15  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-06-13T08:10:32  <vpv> moin. We had a pretty good meeting with Karsten last night. He really would like to use DocBook XML so that we would export the man pages from the wiki to XML and then convert that XML (with XSLT etc.) to whichever format is needed in upstream projects.
2007-06-13T08:12:29  <vpv> In the first phase (which is only publication, no editing) we would store the man pages as XML with the help of doclifter and then let the existing Moin code show that XML like it was a "normal" wiki page.
2007-06-13T08:27:38  <ThomasWaldmann> if you use docbook, have a look at http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.6-docbook-mvirkkil/
2007-06-13T08:29:01  <vpv> sure, that's the idea, we could try to merge Mikko's code with this project, to some extent at least
2007-06-13T08:29:30  <ThomasWaldmann> (and if you find out what one can do with mikko's code, please document it :)
2007-06-13T08:30:00  <vpv> ESR makes good points about docbook here http://www.catb.org/~esr/doclifter/paradise.html and his stuff seems to work pretty well
2007-06-13T08:33:27  <vpv> I actually asked about what Mikko's new code does if you compare it with the old that's in mainline. Karsten said it 1. fixes bugs 2. generates "better" docbook markup
2007-06-13T08:34:04  <vpv> Is there a way I could take just Mikko's changes from his branch as a diff and review the code a bit?
2007-06-13T08:36:18  <ThomasWaldmann> if you just want to view, you can use hg's web interface
2007-06-13T08:38:00  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you can use the script from http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2006
2007-06-13T08:40:21  <vpv> ok. this is "phase 2" stuff anyway, but it doesn't hurt to plan ahead a bit...
2007-06-13T08:40:43  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/DocBook
2007-06-13T11:08:16  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: you could put show_timing = True into your test wiki's config
2007-06-13T11:28:45  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: login, search and some other actions yield a completely blank screen
2007-06-13T11:38:57  <neagulm> hello
2007-06-13T12:02:59  <dreimark> hi neagulm
2007-06-13T12:03:13  <dreimark> I am on the way to lunch now
2007-06-13T12:03:27  <dreimark> bbl ~1h
2007-06-13T12:03:47  <vpv> hi all, I made a blog entry about what we kind of decided with Karsten and the others yesterday, http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/06/13/decisions-decisions/
2007-06-13T12:10:10  <ThomasWaldmann> the conversion stuff in phase 2 sounds problematic
2007-06-13T12:11:02  <ThomasWaldmann> (if you are searching for problems, you could even transform docbook -> html, then gui edit, save, transform html -> docbook :)
2007-06-13T12:11:49  <ThomasWaldmann> some of the troubles with such stuff can be seen in the gui editor when editing wiki pages
2007-06-13T12:12:11  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-06-13T12:17:50  <vpv> I think this is always going to be a problem, but if we want to have even a slight chance in getting actual patches upstream, we have to try something like this...
2007-06-13T12:52:16  <dreimark> bb
2007-06-13T13:35:53  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: btw, i recently fixed some diff stuff in 1.6, so either port it to 1.7 or wait for it being done before starting to hack it.
2007-06-13T13:36:41  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: your importer should use wiki xmlrpc, see samples below MoinMoin/script/...
2007-06-13T13:38:38  <vpv> I was just looking at the doclifter nroff -> docbook thing by ESR, it's Python but a bit ugly. He says it's because troff is so ugly itself :D
2007-06-13T13:40:17  <vpv> right, there's an irc importer done, I'll look at how all of that works, too
2007-06-13T13:51:26  <ThomasWaldmann> irc importer uses PageEditor class, that'
2007-06-13T13:51:33  <ThomasWaldmann> s also mostly stable
2007-06-13T13:52:13  <ThomasWaldmann> (but it requires to be run on the wiki server)
2007-06-13T13:55:19  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-06-13T15:26:13  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: on the list there is someone asking for metadata support :)
2007-06-13T16:31:50  <neagulm> bbl
2007-06-13T16:43:26  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: it's coming ;)
2007-06-13T16:43:39  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: the last days i studied the attachement and Page* code in order to find out where to start refactoring
2007-06-13T16:43:59  <lanius> because i can't begin integration without some refactoring first i think
2007-06-13T16:44:35  <zenhase> moin
2007-06-13T16:44:50  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: i will look into that
2007-06-13T16:44:51  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: sure
2007-06-13T16:45:03  <zenhase> (empty pages on some actions)
2007-06-13T16:45:03  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: sure what
2007-06-13T16:45:12  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: did you find something to start with?
2007-06-13T16:45:20  <lanius> not yet
2007-06-13T16:45:39  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: sure that some cleanup is needed there :)
2007-06-13T16:46:15  * zenhase thinks .send_page ... tho that hasn't much to do with lanius project :>
2007-06-13T16:46:24  <ThomasWaldmann> how about my idea to begin with global edit-log and RC?
2007-06-13T16:47:13  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: "kill send_page, quick" -- Juergen Hermann, some years ago :)
2007-06-13T16:47:18  <zenhase> i know ;>
2007-06-13T16:47:29  <lanius> yeah, will take another look later the day
2007-06-13T16:47:45  <zenhase> and some other strange things
2007-06-13T16:48:08  <zenhase> request.getPragma puzzled me for example
2007-06-13T16:48:10  <lanius> have to study a bit for the database lecture
2007-06-13T16:48:23  <lanius> first
2007-06-13T16:51:00  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: RC with 1.6 backend would be a easy start: it is read-only, you would just have to emulate item-metadata revisions by reading the global edit-log file
2007-06-13T16:51:41  <vpv> I just got Moin to display yum's man page (the Fedora package manager) that I converted with doclifter and copied manually to my local Moin. It's not much but nice anyway :)
2007-06-13T16:51:57  <ThomasWaldmann> (after that, you can use that code for the local edit-log -> metadata emulation, too)
2007-06-13T16:52:39  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: what's puzzling there?
2007-06-13T16:53:39  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: well, those pragmas are specific to pages ... so shouldn't they simple belong to the page-object?
2007-06-13T16:57:15  <zenhase> dunno if this is perhaps something lanius will look at in the course of his project :>
2007-06-13T17:00:27  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: i guess this has to do because "request" is available everywhere. also, there are some pragmas (e.g. keywords) that emit stuff rather early
2007-06-13T17:01:14  <ThomasWaldmann> but the processing of this stuff will soon be something of the past anyway
2007-06-13T17:01:32  <ThomasWaldmann> this will all get moved to metadata
2007-06-13T17:02:14  <zenhase> yeah :>
2007-06-13T17:02:59  <dreimark> when PageEditor will be refactored too all the @CMD@ e.g. -- 127.0.0.1 [[DateTime(2007-06-13T23:00:01Z)]] should be moved to somewhere else
2007-06-13T17:04:24  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but this is another thing :)
2007-06-13T17:07:51  <ThomasWaldmann> when we are done with moin 3000, everything will be refactored :)
2007-06-13T17:17:49  <dreimark> hehe
2007-06-13T17:18:11  <dreimark> bbl
2007-06-13T17:28:59  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: moin 3000?
2007-06-13T17:29:20  <ThomasWaldmann> just joking :)
2007-06-13T17:29:30  <zenhase> avoiding v 2.0 (for buzzword-reasons) or conform with py3k?
2007-06-13T17:29:38  <zenhase> why joking?
2007-06-13T17:30:13  <zenhase> i already noticed much stuff aside from the theme-code that i would gladly start refactoring after gsoc :>
2007-06-13T17:30:27  <ThomasWaldmann> well, we'll have to do that bit after bit
2007-06-13T17:30:37  <zenhase> yeah, of course
2007-06-13T17:31:05  <ThomasWaldmann> we would be glad for some help (aside from soc)
2007-06-13T17:31:27  <zenhase> well, i thought that is the plan of gsoc anyway
2007-06-13T17:31:32  <ThomasWaldmann> the todo list is long enough we won't get bored for quite a long time
2007-06-13T17:31:39  <zenhase> :D
2007-06-13T17:31:52  * zenhase likes being not bored
2007-06-13T17:32:31  <ThomasWaldmann> and if lanius is finished, that opens quite some doors for other features, based on metadata
2007-06-13T17:32:40  <zenhase> yeah
2007-06-13T17:32:53  <zenhase> and i hope it will be a big step towards a refactored page-class
2007-06-13T17:36:10  <ThomasWaldmann> or even a item class :)
2007-06-13T17:36:17  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: btw. i realized that it will be hard to get hold of the code for me by means of conventional editors
2007-06-13T17:36:26  <xorAxAx> hmm?
2007-06-13T17:36:29  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: so i am follow your advice and install pydev
2007-06-13T17:36:58  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, navigation is much faster.
2007-06-13T17:37:04  <zenhase> and debugging
2007-06-13T17:37:15  <zenhase> that's my main-concern :>
2007-06-13T17:37:44  * xorAxAx likes pdb
2007-06-13T17:38:00  <ThomasWaldmann> just one tip: the search function ctrl-h was not all time reliable for me. Maybe it is fixed meanwhile, but if you do refactoring, maybe verify it with grep -r.
2007-06-13T17:38:02  <zenhase> xorAxAx: actually i never used it directly
2007-06-13T17:38:42  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: k
2007-06-13T17:39:00  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the latest pydev release (1.3.4?) should fix some unicode problems I reported to the auther. I didnt check it yet, though.
2007-06-13T17:40:39  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: maybe also look at pydev extensions. if they make you more productive, the license costs will be no problem.
2007-06-13T17:41:21  <ThomasWaldmann> ^^ of course also for everybody else :)
2007-06-13T17:42:37  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: you said 20-30eu ... if they have useful extensions, i will gladly spend that money
2007-06-13T17:47:03  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_adv_features.html
2007-06-13T18:05:39  <ThomasWaldmann> (it is rather nice of the author to include the most important features in the free version, so the extensions are mostly some nice-to-have but not essential features)
2007-06-13T18:06:16  * ThomasWaldmann likes the "Mark Occurrences" feature
2007-06-13T18:07:23  <ThomasWaldmann> the code analysis is also nice, but not perfect
2007-06-13T18:08:07  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, gtg now. maybe back in 1-2h.
2007-06-13T18:10:53  <grzywacz> re
2007-06-13T18:11:12  <xorAxAx> hi karol
2007-06-13T18:11:20  <grzywacz> Hi my HMRE.
2007-06-13T18:11:33  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-13T18:13:16  <zenhase> HMRE?
2007-06-13T18:15:53  <xorAxAx> His Most Reverend Excellency
2007-06-13T18:20:32  <grzywacz> :D
2007-06-13T18:27:43  <grzywacz> Let's see where I ended my shotgun debugging yesterday...
2007-06-13T18:30:30  <zenhase> weapons of massdebugging
2007-06-13T18:31:53  <grzywacz> zenhase++;
2007-06-13T18:36:06  <xorAxAx> SyntaxError
2007-06-13T18:36:20  <grzywacz> Not really.
2007-06-13T18:52:00  <zenhase> grzywacz: this ++ is not a good idea ... it's like increasing the bunny population by giving me a signal to procreate ...
2007-06-13T18:53:22  <grzywacz> I have nothing against bunnies, so why not, go ahead.
2007-06-13T18:53:23  <grzywacz> ;-P
2007-06-13T19:28:04  <Fabi> re
2007-06-13T21:55:01  <grzywacz> johill
2007-06-13T22:05:16  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: did you use hg mv?
2007-06-13T22:05:21  <xorAxAx> it seems that you didnt
2007-06-13T22:05:26  <xorAxAx> oh, you did
2007-06-13T22:05:28  <xorAxAx> sorry
2007-06-13T22:05:55  * xorAxAx is currently catching up in his feedreader, 100 items :)
2007-06-13T22:06:25  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: what is a checkpoint commit? :)
2007-06-13T22:07:01  <grzywacz> I commit I did for myself in case I messed up something later on. Pushed because of later ones.
2007-06-13T22:07:23  <grzywacz> s/I/A/
2007-06-13T22:07:48  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-06-13T22:07:50  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-06-13T22:07:57  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, GetPage seems to work. I'll add an alternative method of getting an auth token (using shared secret and jid), and it's ready to push.
2007-06-13T22:08:16  <grzywacz> The xmlrpc part has been kind of messy...
2007-06-13T22:11:10  <xorAxAx> hmm, i am not sure if shared secret and jid is secure enough
2007-06-13T22:11:31  <xorAxAx> are you sure that s2s can be trusted in this case? how about spoofing attacks?
2007-06-13T22:11:58  <grzywacz> You'd need end-to-end encryption to stay on a safe side.
2007-06-13T22:12:07  <grzywacz> With PGP/GPG.
2007-06-13T22:12:39  <xorAxAx> how does end-to-end encryption secure the authentication?
2007-06-13T22:12:53  <grzywacz> s2s is rather safe, though. Unless you mean that one of *two* servers that are taking part in communication has been overtaken.
2007-06-13T22:13:34  <grzywacz> Let's start from the beginning.
2007-06-13T22:13:54  <grzywacz> First if all, the user has to enter his jid in moin's preferences. To do that, he has to be logged in via http.
2007-06-13T22:13:58  <grzywacz> s/if/of/
2007-06-13T22:14:22  <xorAxAx> well, thats irrelevant
2007-06-13T22:14:29  <xorAxAx> assume that he did and that eve knows his jid
2007-06-13T22:14:31  <grzywacz> When user starts an xmpp session, he's authenticated. This should be protected with ssl.
2007-06-13T22:14:51  <xorAxAx> ssl is irrelevant here
2007-06-13T22:15:10  <grzywacz> Servers do check each other's credentials.
2007-06-13T22:15:16  <grzywacz> There's a callback protocol using dns.
2007-06-13T22:15:20  <xorAxAx> how can the bot know that the real server is announcing the presence?
2007-06-13T22:16:21  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, because if it's not the real server, then the dns server used by the jabber server the bot uses, would have to be controlled by the attacker as well
2007-06-13T22:16:51  <grzywacz> And the only protection against this kind of an attack, would be end-to-end encryption with a private/public key pair. For paranoid.
2007-06-13T22:17:07  <grzywacz> Normally server dialback should be sufficient.
2007-06-13T22:17:19  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, http://www.xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3920.html#dialback
2007-06-13T22:17:29  <xorAxAx> ok, lets assume that this is secure enough
2007-06-13T22:18:29  <grzywacz> We can put a note in config file, explaining possible security problems. So someone who's not familiar with xmpp can decide, whether it's ok for him or not.
2007-06-13T22:23:10  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-06-13T22:29:00  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-06-13T22:31:16  <grzywacz> re Thomas
2007-06-13T23:07:05  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: why is RC read-only?
2007-06-13T23:09:40  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: why should send_page be killed?
2007-06-13T23:21:08  <grzywacz> :S
2007-06-13T23:23:55  <zenhase> lanius: because it's a huge monster and does not really belong there
2007-06-13T23:25:21  <ThomasWaldmann> RC does not edit the log file
2007-06-13T23:25:46  <ThomasWaldmann> because it is too big and does too much