MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-22

2007-08-22T07:33:49  <neagulm> hello
2007-08-22T07:44:22  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: have to see if it was positiv otherwise i don't have enough money for the flights ;) where you wanna go :D
2007-08-22T08:36:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-08-22T08:39:10  <neagulm> moinBot, ThomasWaldmann
2007-08-22T08:39:10  <moinBot> neagulm: Error: "ThomasWaldmann" is not a valid command.
2007-08-22T08:40:45  <neagulm> moin ThomasWaldmann
2007-08-22T08:40:52  <lanius> ^^
2007-08-22T08:41:20  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2007-08-22T08:42:21  <dreimark> moin
2007-08-22T08:42:58  <neagulm> moin dreimark
2007-08-22T08:43:24  <dreimark> neagulm: how are you doing?
2007-08-22T08:44:14  <neagulm> dreimark, i'm waiting for the workers and doing some MM coding...
2007-08-22T08:44:25  <neagulm> dreimark, I move everything in bsddb
2007-08-22T08:44:46  <dreimark> neagulm: fine
2007-08-22T08:45:11  <dreimark> don't forget to fill out the README describing changes after 08-20
2007-08-22T08:45:36  <neagulm> dreimark, ok
2007-08-22T08:45:42  <dreimark> neagulm: I have to wait for a worker too, one of the windows isn't finished yet.
2007-08-22T08:45:54  <dreimark> last day of my vacation :(
2007-08-22T08:47:16  <dreimark> and always wake up before 8am this week, because of some workers
2007-08-22T08:50:26  <neagulm> :(
2007-08-22T08:52:57  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the converter seems to work now :)
2007-08-22T09:02:45  <dreimark>  :)
2007-08-22T09:05:22  <dreimark> will adding <textarea cols='80' give any other trouble ?
2007-08-22T09:07:18  <ThomasWaldmann> try it :)
2007-08-22T09:10:23  <ThomasWaldmann> i could imagine that it might limit the width on very wide display to 80 columns
2007-08-22T09:15:42  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you have wide tables, that might be rather negative
2007-08-22T09:23:06  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: for css enabled it makes no differencem the attribute is ignored
2007-08-22T09:23:44  <dreimark> and without and 1280x1024 170 is a good value, on smaller displays it gives a scrollbar
2007-08-22T09:25:31  <ThomasWaldmann> we can assume that most gui browsers will use css
2007-08-22T09:26:18  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe try what happens with w3m with and without that option
2007-08-22T09:27:12  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(converting the help pages will be lots of work due to old markup samples in pre sections
2007-08-22T09:35:26  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: w3m is fine with 80 too, because you don't edit directly in the shown box, you have to
2007-08-22T09:35:43  <dreimark> enter your default editor by double click
2007-08-22T10:01:02  <ThomasWaldmann> so what's the point of setting this to 80? that the "shown box" is better?
2007-08-22T10:10:53  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/ReimarBauer
2007-08-22T10:11:46  <dreimark> it just looks better
2007-08-22T10:29:25  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2738:ef2268e5f605 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/_conv160_wiki.py: 1.6 converter: fix pre scan rules
2007-08-22T10:29:27  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2739:f12b39c07405 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/ (1059999.py _conv160.py): 1.6 converter: make RENAMES_FIELDSEP easily changeable
2007-08-22T10:29:28  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2740:7a6b5f0c92c9 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/_conv160.py: 1.6 converter: better error handling, better matching of user profiles
2007-08-22T10:49:25  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2708:5092edd82058 1.7/MoinMoin/ (7 files in 2 dirs): bug fix for non css browsers like w3m: for input fields set size of textarea and text to cols="80"
2007-08-22T10:58:34  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2135:b276e8f2fd64 1.6/MoinMoin/ (7 files in 2 dirs): bug fix for non css browsers like w3m: for input fields set size of textarea and text to cols="80"
2007-08-22T11:03:51  <dreimark> grzywacz: is that something you could fix http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.6devWikiSyncDoesNotDetectOldMoin ?
2007-08-22T11:05:02  <grzywacz> dreimark: possibly :)
2007-08-22T11:05:15  <dreimark> :)
2007-08-22T11:07:26  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can we get _expand_variables (-- 127.0.0.1 [[DateTime(2007-08-23T07:00:10Z)]] and others) from PageEditor into the wiki parser ?
2007-08-22T11:16:05  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the new markup fixes that bug http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/AttachmentNamesWithBracketPlusDot :)
2007-08-22T11:20:01  <CIA-14> moin: Karol Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2709:d64926adfb86 1.7/docs/CHANGES: Mention jabber notification and xmpp related problems in CHANGES.
2007-08-22T11:20:02  <CIA-14> moin: Karol Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2710:d7cad3d048b9 1.7/MoinMoin/ (13 files in 7 dirs): Merge.
2007-08-22T11:20:15  <grzywacz> works ;)
2007-08-22T11:27:07  <neagulm> going to school. bbl ~1h
2007-08-22T11:31:15  <vpv> hmm, it seems makeinfo --docbook makes output that doesn't match the docbook spec, no wonder I'm getting so much elements that the stylesheets can't handle
2007-08-22T11:40:59  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv:  /join #docbook
2007-08-22T11:43:26  <vpv> I'm there already :)
2007-08-22T11:45:09  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: how are macros called on test17 ?
2007-08-22T11:47:52  <xorAxAx> dreimark: press all special characters on your keyboard at once, then the macro name and then the arguments
2007-08-22T11:52:38  <dreimark> LOL
2007-08-22T11:57:32  <ThomasWaldmann> [[]] -> <<>>
2007-08-22T12:17:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, converter needs more magic (matching links to differently named existings pages, when difference worked due to " " == "_" magic in 1.5)
2007-08-22T12:35:36  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2711:24bc1ad80e80 1.7/MoinMoin/macro/AttachInfo.py: macro.AttachInfo: fixed docstring
2007-08-22T12:35:38  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2712:92fdea43e06e 1.7/docs/CHANGES: merged main
2007-08-22T12:36:19  <grzywacz> :S
2007-08-22T12:54:16  <dreimark> http://www.world-of-smilies.com/wos_starwars/starwars023.gif
2007-08-22T13:19:51  <ThomasWaldmann> heh
2007-08-22T13:25:06  <grzywacz> My thought exactly.
2007-08-22T13:37:15  <dreimark> #moin is quite silent last days
2007-08-22T13:51:32  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2741:7f6093028a66 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/ (1059999.py _conv160.py _conv160_wiki.py): 1.6 converter: create complete.txt (for reference, not used yet), use 1.5 underscore magic when looking up pages in rename map
2007-08-22T13:52:49  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess it will get more verbose when we do a new (beta) release :)
2007-08-22T14:02:06  <grzywacz> Hm.
2007-08-22T14:02:23  <grzywacz> Every request to 1.7 ends with a (caught) exception in my case.
2007-08-22T14:02:32  <grzywacz> Could someone confirm that? ;)
2007-08-22T14:02:43  <grzywacz>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/socket.py", line 235, in flush
2007-08-22T14:02:43  <grzywacz>     self._sock.sendall(buffer)
2007-08-22T14:02:43  <grzywacz> error: (32, 'Broken pipe')
2007-08-22T14:03:31  <grzywacz> Or maybe it's my setup, no idea. :)
2007-08-22T14:03:37  <ThomasWaldmann> did you hit the stop button of the browser?
2007-08-22T14:04:38  <grzywacz> no
2007-08-22T14:04:39  <johill> I think it's because of keepalive
2007-08-22T14:04:54  <johill> browsers seem to use a connection with keepalive and then close them abruptly when they loaded everything
2007-08-22T14:05:02  <johill> though I'm not even sure moin supports that, I used to think this was the reason
2007-08-22T14:05:46  <grzywacz> Hm, maybe. But that would be strange, as keeping it a little bit longer should be more optimal.
2007-08-22T14:07:15  <grzywacz> I can see this happening on the FrontPage only.
2007-08-22T14:07:39  <grzywacz> or maybe not...
2007-08-22T14:07:48  <johill> I also see this often if I have a redirect
2007-08-22T14:08:04  <johill> because the browser will load up to the point where the redirect is issued, abort and go fetch the other page
2007-08-22T14:08:34  <grzywacz> aye...
2007-08-22T14:09:02  <grzywacz> oh crap
2007-08-22T14:12:26  * grzywacz hides
2007-08-22T14:13:25  * ThomasWaldmann runs converter on moinmaster data
2007-08-22T14:13:34  * grzywacz fixes notification bugs
2007-08-22T14:16:06  <neagulm> grzywacz, i see this exception only when aborting a request (eg. clicking something or using the stop button).
2007-08-22T14:17:00  <dreimark> johill: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.7devCreateHomePageCreatesWrongPage or edit could get args too ?
2007-08-22T14:17:08  <grzywacz> neagulm: your browser?
2007-08-22T14:17:17  <grzywacz> FF 2.0.0.6 here
2007-08-22T14:17:24  <johill> dreimark: I know it's broken, but I don't know how to fix it
2007-08-22T14:17:28  <johill> how do you edit underlay?
2007-08-22T14:17:37  <grzywacz> you don't
2007-08-22T14:17:50  <johill> that's what I've been sticking with
2007-08-22T14:17:56  <johill> but dreimark keeps pestering me with these bugs ;)
2007-08-22T14:18:15  <neagulm> grzywacz, FF 2.0.0.6
2007-08-22T14:20:25  <neagulm> grzywacz, and with Konqueror 3.5.6 i get :  File "socket.py", line 262, in write
2007-08-22T14:20:26  <neagulm>     self.flush()
2007-08-22T14:20:26  <neagulm>   File "socket.py", line 249, in flush
2007-08-22T14:20:26  <neagulm>     self._sock.sendall(buffer)
2007-08-22T14:20:26  <neagulm> error: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')
2007-08-22T14:22:21  <grzywacz> This error would suggest that the connection has been broken before everything has been transferred, no? Or is there a HTTP command that terminates a keepalive session?
2007-08-22T14:22:56  <johill> grzywacz: basically, it means that the other side dropped the connection instead of you
2007-08-22T14:23:06  <johill> when you were still trying to read/write
2007-08-22T14:23:23  <johill> with keepalive, if you send a request with keepalive turned on, the other side will go back to reading after serving that request
2007-08-22T14:23:25  <grzywacz> right
2007-08-22T14:23:33  <johill> if you then terminate it, you get this error because the server was reading from a socket you closed
2007-08-22T14:23:53  <johill> you could do a useless HEAD / request or such with connection:close, but I don't think anybody does
2007-08-22T14:24:02  <grzywacz> Probably not.
2007-08-22T14:59:52  <dreimark> johill: sorry
2007-08-22T15:00:25  <johill> dreimark: not a problem, but I really have no idea how to change the underlay pages to fix it
2007-08-22T15:03:19  <dreimark> johill: my problem is more that I dont understand why edit does not have args [[Action(edit&template=HomepageTemplate,Create my home page now!)]]
2007-08-22T15:03:31  <dreimark> whats the reason for &template=HomepageT...
2007-08-22T15:04:22  <johill> well I changed the action macro to take the args extra instead
2007-08-22T15:04:28  <dreimark> GET arguments maybe
2007-08-22T15:04:34  <johill> [[Action(edit,Create my homepage now!,template=HomepageTemplate)]]
2007-08-22T15:04:39  <ThomasWaldmann> http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/TestWiki17MainBranch if someone wants to help, see top section
2007-08-22T15:04:54  <johill> because that & parsing was fundamentally broken
2007-08-22T15:07:16  <ThomasWaldmann> if nobody find errors (including me), I will assume that everybody is happy and push all to 1.7 main branch :)
2007-08-22T15:07:40  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, gtg, bbl
2007-08-22T15:07:51  <johill> you could render with pagelinks and diff
2007-08-22T15:12:13  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: found one
2007-08-22T15:59:16  * ThomasWaldmann looks
2007-08-22T16:00:26  <dreimark> :)
2007-08-22T16:02:24  <ThomasWaldmann> the first is a real problem X)
2007-08-22T16:02:39  <ThomasWaldmann> see comments there
2007-08-22T16:05:40  * neagulm is wondering where it can find SpecInt2000 benchmark
2007-08-22T16:10:28  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I file a bugreport for 1.7 its easily overlooked
2007-08-22T16:10:49  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe also check 1.6 :)
2007-08-22T16:14:02  <dreimark> already done, there its ok
2007-08-22T16:19:12  <dreimark> neagulm: for what is this?
2007-08-22T16:19:43  <dreimark> http://www.spec.org/cpu/CINT2000/ ?
2007-08-22T16:26:19  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-08-22T16:28:32  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I was wrong 1.6 is broken too. http://test.wikiwikiweb.de/TestWiki?action=info tells you have done the last edit and my name is shown
2007-08-22T16:30:07  <neagulm> dreimark, i need to get a score for a cluster at school, it is required for a project. Another strange request was to provide "Seed CPU". I'm searching for 1 hour and can't find what this means
2007-08-22T16:41:04  <dreimark> johill: whats the meaning of "Seed CPU"
2007-08-22T16:41:52  <dreimark> neagulm: no idea too may be johill knows
2007-08-22T16:49:34  <johill> seed CPU? huh
2007-08-22T16:49:42  <johill> no idea, sorry
2007-08-22T16:56:33  <neagulm> :)
2007-08-22T17:19:49  * neagulm is leaving
2007-08-22T17:19:51  <neagulm> bbl
2007-08-22T17:58:42  <dreimark> may be typo and its meant cpu speed
2007-08-22T17:59:30  <dreimark> bbl too
2007-08-22T19:10:12  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-08-22T21:17:06  <ThomasWaldmann> hi Fabi
2007-08-22T21:23:33  <Fabi> moin
2007-08-22T21:26:33  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: google tells "final mentor survey needed"
2007-08-22T21:31:58  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you wait with merging a few days?
2007-08-22T21:33:53  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, why?
2007-08-22T21:35:50  <xorAxAx> until stability has been proven a bit more :)
2007-08-22T21:40:40  <ThomasWaldmann> i want to implement a few things anyway
2007-08-22T21:41:01  <ThomasWaldmann> a) converter creating a new revision with conv results
2007-08-22T21:41:29  <ThomasWaldmann> b) look at the i18n markup stuff
2007-08-22T21:44:01  <ThomasWaldmann> c) sort rename1.txt
2007-08-22T21:44:31  <xorAxAx> i18n markup stuff?
2007-08-22T21:44:57  <ThomasWaldmann> we have wiki markup in po files
2007-08-22T21:45:17  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-08-22T21:45:27  <xorAxAx> not much these days, thoguh
2007-08-22T22:44:40  <dreimark> gn, tomorrow is my first workday, vacation is over ;)