2007-08-23T08:50:48 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-08-23T08:52:39 <neagulm> hello
2007-08-23T08:54:41 <ThomasWaldmann> hi neagulm
2007-08-23T09:03:19 * ThomasWaldmann found that {{...}} syntax somewhat cries for <object> tag output
2007-08-23T09:06:01 * neagulm is thinking to remove user level clustering and to do only wiki level clustering
2007-08-23T10:21:45 <grzywacz> moin...
2007-08-23T10:22:42 <xorAxAx> moin grzywacz
2007-08-23T10:24:06 * ThomasWaldmann adds transclusion and transclusion_param to the formatter
2007-08-23T10:26:09 <grzywacz> hi xorAxAx
2007-08-23T10:29:52 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2713:ddb2d19684d7 1.7/MoinMoin/formatter/ (7 files): add transclusion / transclusion_param formatter methods (for html: <object> / <param>)
2007-08-23T11:08:24 <neagulm> what does "abort: repo has 3 heads - please merge with an explicit rev" mean?
2007-08-23T11:08:55 <xorAxAx> 3 heads? ugh
2007-08-23T11:09:15 <xorAxAx> it means that you need to merge ...
2007-08-23T11:13:22 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2971:af42a7045595 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (10 files in 8 dirs): merge with 1.7
2007-08-23T11:13:25 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2978:97835811b3c8 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (10 files in 8 dirs): Merge with 1.7
2007-08-23T11:13:27 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2979:2d77fac18a84 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Move clustering cache into bsddb
2007-08-23T11:13:28 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2980:8bb808f80975 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Merge with testing
2007-08-23T11:13:29 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2981:e016380ac284 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (16 files in 5 dirs): Merge with 1.7
2007-08-23T11:21:32 <vpv> Hmm, is something wrong with main?
2007-08-23T11:22:15 <vpv> I did the usual hg pull; hg merge -f; hg push; but it stops with abort: push creates new remote branches!
2007-08-23T11:22:44 <vpv> disregard, forgot to commit :D
2007-08-23T11:23:40 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2932:781d8362628a 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/action/ManSource.py: Port ManSource action to use xsltproc and the DocBook manpage XSL files as suggested by Michael Smith
2007-08-23T11:23:48 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2944:f44b72867c20 1.7-maninfo-vpv/ (24 files in 10 dirs): merge from main
2007-08-23T12:32:24 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, <object> isn't implemented correctly on FF2
2007-08-23T12:33:53 <ThomasWaldmann> it looks like you must give "type" param, although it should be optional
2007-08-23T12:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/TransclusionTest
2007-08-23T12:38:23 <ThomasWaldmann> and it uses wrong width/height
2007-08-23T12:47:45 <vpv> hmm, weird, I hg pushed, it got stuck, CIA says nothing, but apparently the push made it to the server
2007-08-23T12:47:53 <vpv> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.7-maninfo-vpv/rev/a82392f9d3b0
2007-08-23T12:47:55 <vpv> that
2007-08-23T12:47:57 <vpv> oops
2007-08-23T12:48:34 <vpv> that's really neat stuff, btw, the code needs some work still, but the concept is awesome, I'm glad I joined #4suite :)
2007-08-23T12:50:35 <dreimark> moin
2007-08-23T12:51:34 <ThomasWaldmann> moin dreimark
2007-08-23T12:54:38 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2945:a82392f9d3b0 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: New iswellformed() implementation that validates XML against the DTD. Works very nicely, but needs more comments.
2007-08-23T12:54:39 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I like to integerate Olivers FeatureRequests/WelcomeNewUserPage in 1.7
2007-08-23T12:55:58 <vpv> well there it was :D
2007-08-23T12:59:16 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: maybe first fix that }}} brokenness :)
2007-08-23T13:00:17 <dreimark> ok, I was not aware that it was not gone with your parser changes
2007-08-23T13:00:51 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.6devMarkupCrashesGUIEditor
2007-08-23T13:01:02 <ThomasWaldmann> i didnt change the pre stuff
2007-08-23T13:02:10 <ThomasWaldmann> i think that strange call to renderText should get removed. maybe you can just recursively call the scan function with the rest of the line.
2007-08-23T13:02:46 <dreimark> hmm ok, will look at it.
2007-08-23T13:03:18 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, that EmbedObject stuff isn't valid w3c html :)
2007-08-23T13:03:56 <ThomasWaldmann> but the official stuff seems to have its own problems
2007-08-23T13:06:25 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the selection of the scanning re should happen inside of the scan() function and the scan_re param could be optional and =None.
2007-08-23T13:07:16 <ThomasWaldmann> that way, it would automatically switch to the correct re when self.in_pre changes
2007-08-23T13:14:42 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I'll try that and do look at the Embed w3c too
2007-08-23T13:16:00 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i added transclusion to the formatter, so <object> and <param> work via the formatter now.
2007-08-23T13:16:45 <ThomasWaldmann> but the firefox implementation does not seem as good as I hoped
2007-08-23T13:21:21 <dreimark> working transclusion woul be very nice. Then it is in principle section edit if one page is build from many other pages ?
2007-08-23T13:27:49 <ThomasWaldmann> nothing that you could not do now also
2007-08-23T13:28:34 <ThomasWaldmann> but if we can get that working in a rather general way, it would be much more powerful and easier than all those special macros
2007-08-23T14:22:38 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2946:74f25836d10f 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: Add comments to iswellformed(), other cleanups too
2007-08-23T14:30:27 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2947:3107d60446b9 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: Some more comments
2007-08-23T14:31:52 <grzywacz> http://solex.sourceforge.net/
2007-08-23T14:33:04 <xorAxAx> solex is b0rked
2007-08-23T14:34:47 <grzywacz> why so?
2007-08-23T14:35:48 <xorAxAx> well, i didnt get it to run :)
2007-08-23T14:36:05 <grzywacz> oh ;-)
2007-08-23T14:36:17 <xorAxAx> ah, i am confusing it
2007-08-23T14:36:19 <xorAxAx> solex is nice
2007-08-23T16:04:11 <neagulm> moin
2007-08-23T16:07:49 <dreimark> moin neagulm
2007-08-23T16:26:30 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/TransclusionTest.png how many icons do you see there (with non-FF browser)?
2007-08-23T16:27:48 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/TransclusionTest how many icons do you see there (with non-FF browser)?
2007-08-23T16:31:53 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: FF shows 6
2007-08-23T16:32:34 <dreimark> konqueror shows 6 too but they don't look nice
2007-08-23T16:33:17 <dreimark> opera shows 6 similiar to ff
2007-08-23T16:35:23 <dreimark> neagulm: did you got what Seed CPU is. (or is it a type and its Speed)
2007-08-23T16:36:38 <xorAxAx> its a way to grow weed seeds on a cpu probably?
2007-08-23T16:37:09 <neagulm> dreimark, nope. It was a stupid request from a grid organization. They required benchmark results for the clusters but did not provide money for buying benchmarking software :)
2007-08-23T16:42:09 <dreimark> :(
2007-08-23T16:47:16 <vpv> and hg push stalled again...
2007-08-23T16:59:41 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2948:dfada652a124 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: fix a bug in info cache file handling
2007-08-23T17:00:00 <vpv> 12 minutes :D
2007-08-23T17:05:13 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you test both urls?
2007-08-23T17:05:38 <ThomasWaldmann> the url with no .png only shows 3 for FF
2007-08-23T17:12:18 <dreimark> no not now
2007-08-23T17:12:48 <dreimark> 2nd ff 3
2007-08-23T17:13:32 <dreimark> konqi-> 6 looked twice for the right url
2007-08-23T17:14:36 <dreimark> opera 6 -> used version 9.22
2007-08-23T17:15:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so only ff is buggy?
2007-08-23T17:16:43 <dreimark> my version is 2.0.0.5
2007-08-23T17:17:04 <ThomasWaldmann> same for .6
2007-08-23T17:17:16 <ThomasWaldmann> they just do it the easy, but wrong way X)
2007-08-23T17:17:24 <dreimark> looks like. someone with IE should test too
2007-08-23T17:17:53 <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: is your IE ready to test? :)
2007-08-23T17:18:04 <dreimark> Do you add a bug report ? May be they have fixed it until we do release
2007-08-23T17:18:07 <vpv> Fx 3 is is also nearing a release, someone could test the latest alpha (sorry, not me ;)
2007-08-23T17:37:44 <ThomasWaldmann> (17:35) < roland> @ ThomasWaldmann i can see 6 images
2007-08-23T17:37:57 <ThomasWaldmann> (a FF3 user, so it is fixed already)
2007-08-23T17:41:54 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: just an idea while reading moinmaster
2007-08-23T17:43:36 <dreimark> do get somehow info when something new was introduced if we can have on info a timestamp of the version change or the version logged too and shown there
2007-08-23T17:45:03 <ThomasWaldmann> moinmaster is 1.6 and content there will only get put into 1.6 releases
2007-08-23T17:47:41 <dreimark> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/BasicInstallation was started 2002
2007-08-23T17:49:28 <dreimark> or http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration/SurgeProtection gots the feature surge_action_limits = None # disable surge protection described
2007-08-23T17:50:16 <dreimark> I know all of the actual version of those did belong to 1.6 but which version of the page did belong to an older installation
2007-08-23T17:50:47 <ThomasWaldmann> is that interesting?
2007-08-23T17:51:26 <ThomasWaldmann> Everyone installind moin has a right set of help pages in his own wiki.
2007-08-23T17:51:27 <dreimark> sometimes you don't remember when a feature was introduced
2007-08-23T17:51:56 <ThomasWaldmann> CHANGES should answer that
2007-08-23T17:52:20 <dreimark> right.
2007-08-23T17:53:31 <dreimark> if someone asks I could only tell read your own pages I have no chance to read and give hints if I don't his version
2007-08-23T17:54:18 <ThomasWaldmann> i keep a directory with all release tgz's so i can look into them :)
2007-08-23T17:57:05 <dreimark> ok, that's another way. Icould use the repo for that too. But moinmaster does it have all too
2007-08-23T18:23:00 <ThomasWaldmann> http://docs.moinmo.in/files/bugs/object_type.html the other way of including something :D
2007-08-23T18:23:45 <ThomasWaldmann> now I just need a good way to get rid of those scrollbars and have the box at the right size
2007-08-23T18:27:59 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: scrollbars are easy
2007-08-23T18:28:15 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: but what size is "right"?
2007-08-23T18:28:32 <ThomasWaldmann> see img tag :)
2007-08-23T18:28:45 <ThomasWaldmann> so that the content fits
2007-08-23T18:28:53 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you can set width to 100%, but height is tricky
2007-08-23T18:29:13 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
2007-08-23T18:29:25 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you don't know the contents when the page is rendered, and this contents can change
2007-08-23T18:30:06 <ThomasWaldmann> it's the same problem as for img tags with no w/h attr
2007-08-23T18:30:44 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: have you tested the <object> tag against different browsers? ;)
2007-08-23T18:31:11 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's not, because the height of an included page or text can be dynamic
2007-08-23T18:31:24 <ThomasWaldmann> i only have ff2 on this machine (and object is slightly broken with it)
2007-08-23T18:32:07 <TheSheep> object is "slightly" broken on all browsers in the existence
2007-08-23T18:32:17 <TheSheep> except for msie, which doesn't even have this tag
2007-08-23T18:32:27 <ThomasWaldmann> it does
2007-08-23T18:32:50 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: then what's <embed> for?
2007-08-23T18:33:07 <ThomasWaldmann> embed doesnt exist (for w3c html)
2007-08-23T18:33:43 <TheSheep> right. that's microsoft's answer to <object>
2007-08-23T18:33:55 <ThomasWaldmann> no, netscapes :D
2007-08-23T18:34:29 <TheSheep> wait, I mixed them up?
2007-08-23T18:34:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ms uses object for activeX stuff even X)
2007-08-23T18:34:48 <TheSheep> ah
2007-08-23T18:34:58 <ThomasWaldmann> with those easy to remember clsids
2007-08-23T18:35:08 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: moin generates xhtml, so it should use xml mechanisms for inclusion
2007-08-23T18:35:49 <ThomasWaldmann> there are 2 things: server side inclusion and client side inclusion
2007-08-23T18:36:21 <TheSheep> and man-in-the-middle inclusion :D
2007-08-23T18:36:24 <ThomasWaldmann> and moin still does html4
2007-08-23T18:37:06 <TheSheep> I like html4
2007-08-23T18:41:14 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, w3c documents object as a kind of generalization of img and applet (and standards compliant "embed")
2007-08-23T18:41:37 <ThomasWaldmann> applet is even deprecated in favour of object
2007-08-23T18:41:55 <ThomasWaldmann> they weren't bold enough to do the same with img, though :)
2007-08-23T18:48:30 <TheSheep> lol
2007-08-23T18:49:36 <TheSheep> come to think of it, moin could use the imghdr and retrieve the dimensions of images...
2007-08-23T18:49:54 <TheSheep> argh, no, imghdr only checks the type
2007-08-23T18:50:26 <TheSheep> shame.
2007-08-23T19:31:00 <dreimark> bbl 1h
2007-08-23T21:40:54 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2714:eb37036e3350 1.7/MoinMoin/action/__init__.py: temporary fix missing http headers for action=content
2007-08-23T21:41:43 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2742:94d4f531bcf6 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/_conv160.py: fix reading of damaged event-log, fix some comments
2007-08-23T21:41:50 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2749:907b9e60c232 1.7-newlinkmarkup/ (16 files in 5 dirs): merged main
2007-08-23T21:41:50 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2750:7c8e3ce74202 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py: wiki parser: using <object> for client side page transclusion
2007-08-23T21:41:52 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2752:bdb12fb39b00 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/action/__init__.py: merged main
2007-08-23T21:45:15 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/TransclusionTest (last 2 sections)
2007-08-23T21:46:02 <ThomasWaldmann> only those scrollbars are annoying
2007-08-23T22:16:34 <dreimark> you got horizontal scrollbars too if you resize the ff window
2007-08-23T23:46:32 * neagulm can not get the latex parser to work on win32
2007-08-23T23:47:06 <xorAxAx> neagulm: ask johill :)
2007-08-23T23:47:58 <neagulm> on linux/bsd it works really great but on win32... :(
2007-08-23T23:53:25 <dreimark> neagulm: principiple it should go on win too
2007-08-23T23:54:02 <dreimark> neagulm: how far are your data base changes for the classification project
2007-08-23T23:54:56 <neagulm> dreimark, everything is bsddb except the pickled ART. I think that i will move this to in order to be consistent
2007-08-23T23:55:20 <dreimark> :)
2007-08-23T23:55:51 <dreimark> * I do look at that info line bug now
2007-08-23T23:56:37 <neagulm> dreimark, I will remove the user support and introduce another recommendation system for users. This will be based on results from the clustering system but will be more user customized
2007-08-23T23:57:53 <dreimark> neagulm: you have to think on an may be splitted table of the output of both, because the result could be different (I assume they are mostly different)
2007-08-23T23:58:24 <dreimark> But noone wants may be to loose the similiar pages he got not logged in
2007-08-23T23:59:07 <dreimark> bb 5mins - reboot
2007-08-23T23:59:13 <neagulm> for untrusted users (anonymous) recommendations will be based on the cluster the viewed page belongs
2007-08-23T23:59:45 <neagulm> for authenticated users I think I will have a different approach
2007-08-23T23:59:53 <dreimark> yeah but sometimes people are not staying logged in MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-23 (last edited 2007-10-29 19:09:35 by localhost)
