2008-08-03T00:37:51 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html
2008-08-03T00:47:20 <xorAxAx> cool
2008-08-03T00:47:57 <ThomasWaldmann> see also the comments below X)
2008-08-03T00:48:41 * TheSheep readies his crowbar too
2008-08-03T00:50:56 <xorAxAx> lol, yeah
2008-08-03T00:59:44 <dennda> Very impressive
2008-08-03T01:00:35 <dennda> Being interested in physics, but uncortunately a complete noob, what do they actually gain from using that thing? I know they accelerate particles and collide them, but why?
2008-08-03T01:00:52 <dennda> Or what do they hope to gain. New insights?
2008-08-03T01:03:24 <xorAxAx> they e.g. want to find the higgs boson
2008-08-03T01:04:03 <xorAxAx> "With our detectors turned on we will be reading 10 Petabytes per second."
2008-08-03T01:05:29 <dennda> Whatever that is
2008-08-03T01:05:48 <TheSheep> a particle that should exist according to theory, but nobody even saw it
2008-08-03T01:06:00 <TheSheep> they think it's just very hard to see ;)
2008-08-03T01:06:26 <dennda> Well, even with that machine they can't prove it doesn't exist, can they?
2008-08-03T01:06:33 <dennda> I mean, if they find it, ok
2008-08-03T01:06:43 <dennda> As said: noob
2008-08-03T01:07:57 <TheSheep> yeah, if they detect it, they can say "see, our theory predicted this, it might be right!" and if they don't they can say "maybe we just didn't do it right, our theory might be still correct"
2008-08-03T01:08:39 <dennda> it might be right?
2008-08-03T01:08:49 <TheSheep> the theory, that is
2008-08-03T01:08:52 <dennda> Of what scientific use is that machine if it can't prove anything? ;)
2008-08-03T01:09:11 <xorAxAx> machines cant prove
2008-08-03T01:09:11 <TheSheep> dennda: welcome to the Real World, which is largely unprovable
2008-08-03T01:09:20 <TheSheep> dennda: nobody provided us with the axioms
2008-08-03T01:09:24 <xorAxAx> mathematicians can prove that only humans can prove :)
2008-08-03T01:09:33 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: machines can prove
2008-08-03T01:09:48 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: nah
2008-08-03T01:09:56 <xorAxAx> they traverse bounded solution spaces
2008-08-03T01:09:58 <dennda> http://xkcd.com/451/ <-- SO true!
2008-08-03T01:10:06 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: writing a program that given some axioms would keep on generating all possible proofs is trivial
2008-08-03T01:11:03 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: of course, selecting the useful ones is a problem
2008-08-03T01:11:04 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yeah but still, thats mostly pointless ... i wonder if anybody has ever used e.g. verifun for a proof of something that wasnt proven yet
2008-08-03T01:11:20 <xorAxAx> proof assistants are more useful
2008-08-03T01:14:24 <ThomasWaldmann> http://xkcd.com/401/
2008-08-03T01:19:36 <dennda> :)
2008-08-03T01:24:33 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: your checkin breaks stuff according to the bug report you showed me
2008-08-03T01:24:59 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: just converting br will generate garbage brs if the bug report is right. but there is no test case in it :-(
2008-08-03T01:25:25 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: also enter in a table doesnt break and shift+enter breaks the page :-(
2008-08-03T01:25:53 * dennda reverts the most ugly code he wrote so far and rewrites it
2008-08-03T01:27:47 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: but probably it doesnt
2008-08-03T01:27:55 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: not easy to check
2008-08-03T01:29:45 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: so it would be nice if you could test it a bit. indeed, i cant imagine why editors would put brs into list items
2008-08-03T01:30:01 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: and i just saw that you only modified the code for list items, so it doesnt affect tables
2008-08-03T04:16:32 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4407:8e0ec3ba16ba 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/MoinMoin/storage/backends/hg.py: (hg) Small change to reflect reserved metadata keys.
2008-08-03T04:16:44 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4435:e32d2be7b731 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Merge with 1.8-storage-cdenter.
2008-08-03T09:22:57 <dreimark> moin
2008-08-03T09:23:30 <dreimark> TheSheep: you can set for a browser the application which is used for the mimetype
2008-08-03T09:32:26 <xorAxAx> http://www.notsonoisy.com/gameover/index.html
2008-08-03T09:42:05 <dreimark> TheSheep: http://moinmo.in/MimeType if you found another one please add it there
2008-08-03T09:47:01 <dreimark> xorAxAx: spaceinvaders hahaha
2008-08-03T10:39:28 * xorAxAx suggests to apply rfc 5241 to metadata fields - any opinions, johill, dennda?
2008-08-03T10:53:40 * johill checks out rfc 5241
2008-08-03T10:54:54 <johill> uh huh?
2008-08-03T10:55:00 <johill> :)
2008-08-03T10:58:37 <dennda> good morning
2008-08-03T10:58:58 <dennda> johill: I need your opinion on style
2008-08-03T11:00:42 <dennda> johill: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81118/ <-- This is a part of add_attachment as it is now in my local branch. I didn't push yet, because I think it is quite ugly. Any idea how to make that more beautiful?
2008-08-03T11:03:02 <johill> heh
2008-08-03T11:03:24 <johill> is this for the "do not overwrite if exists"?
2008-08-03T11:04:09 <dennda> yes, and the "create a new revision without complaining that there already is that item if user uploads an attachment which has already been added once, but got deleted since then"
2008-08-03T11:04:31 <johill> right
2008-08-03T11:04:44 <johill> tbh, I never really thought about these cases so I guess the api is more modeled on the regular page editing
2008-08-03T11:07:10 <dennda> it would be cleaner if the item also knew whether the latest revision was deleted or not
2008-08-03T11:07:14 <dennda> at least on this side
2008-08-03T11:07:26 <dennda> on the storage layer that is information duplication
2008-08-03T11:07:42 <dennda> and i'd rather keep it this ugly in one place then to change that
2008-08-03T11:23:26 <johill> sorry, got distracted. but deleted is just metadata
2008-08-03T11:24:05 <johill> I don't see a good way to clean this up right now because of the way you need it
2008-08-03T11:24:23 <johill> but then again, it's fairly thread-unsafe
2008-08-03T11:25:39 <johill> well, actually, not really, but it can blow up later than you expect if two people create a new attachment item at the same time
2008-08-03T11:29:45 <dennda> I didn't get up yet. Will give that greater thought when i did
2008-08-03T11:31:35 <johill> but I guess you have to expect errors at commit() anyway
2008-08-03T11:32:21 <johill> I should go have breakfast and a shower
2008-08-03T11:36:20 <dennda> me too
2008-08-03T11:42:10 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-08-03T12:34:28 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4222:1e14ee2355e3 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Simplify iterator usage
2008-08-03T12:42:19 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4223:49522115ae26 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/creole_in.py: Creole input converter - Use inner loop for tables
2008-08-03T12:46:20 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4232:d5650c0fb42f 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (10 files in 5 dirs): Merge moin/1.8
2008-08-03T13:00:30 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4233:89f384a0982c 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Support tables
2008-08-03T13:27:17 <ThomasWaldmann> I guess I make a final 1.6.4 release today (that will close 1.6 except for security issues).
2008-08-03T13:44:38 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3916:afa2deceede7 1.8/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py:
2008-08-03T13:44:38 <CIA-53> PageEditor: Predefined variable @EMAIL@ added. This inserts the obfuscated email address by the email macro. The HomepageTemplate can now be defined as
2008-08-03T13:44:38 <CIA-53> == 127.0.0.1 ==
2008-08-03T13:44:38 <CIA-53> Email: @EMAIL@
2008-08-03T13:45:40 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4234:d150beafbedd 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Support codearea
2008-08-03T13:45:41 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4235:bf321fe30904 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Provide request object to converter factories
2008-08-03T13:45:42 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4236:7999d5318c5b 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/compatibility_in.py: Add compatibility input converter
2008-08-03T13:45:43 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4237:6a65d9c6b656 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/Page.py:
2008-08-03T13:45:45 <CIA-53> Page - Remove support for oldstyle parsers
2008-08-03T13:45:47 <CIA-53> Oldstyle parsers are handled by the compatibility input converter now.
2008-08-03T13:45:49 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4238:82aa52cc1fe6 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/parser/text.py: Remove text/* parser
2008-08-03T13:45:52 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4239:d6bc12b9d2cc 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/text_in.py: Text input converter - Register as last converter, support text/* as input
2008-08-03T13:47:28 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the SPAMFREE is not very useful when done systematically
2008-08-03T13:47:59 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you could replace all . by DOT and remove the ::-1 magic
2008-08-03T13:49:50 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you could add a comment to the template that suggests adding more uppercase obfuscation manually
2008-08-03T13:50:23 <waldi> or make the obfuscation random
2008-08-03T13:53:20 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I can't it does fail if one has a dot in the name before the @
2008-08-03T13:54:31 <ThomasWaldmann> what does fail?
2008-08-03T13:55:40 <dreimark> the macro it removes the first Letter
2008-08-03T13:56:41 <dreimark> waldi: :) I do it that way + the comment
2008-08-03T13:57:00 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: show me something failing in the sandbox
2008-08-03T13:57:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and random stuff might confuse users
2008-08-03T14:00:06 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/WikiSandBox
2008-08-03T14:00:19 <dreimark> the R is missing
2008-08-03T14:02:34 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
2008-08-03T14:03:30 * dreimark is cooking bbl
2008-08-03T14:04:43 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4240:9d789914d7e3 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py:
2008-08-03T14:04:43 <CIA-53> PageEditor - Disable quickhelp
2008-08-03T14:04:43 <CIA-53> The quickhelp wants to use parsers, disable them for now.
2008-08-03T14:04:44 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4241:5e72f8ddf603 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Remove support for oldstyle parsers
2008-08-03T14:04:45 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4242:8a9463f89755 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/Page.py: Page - Split tree and pagelinks creation, ignore errors on pagelinks creation
2008-08-03T14:11:37 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that's a bug
2008-08-03T14:14:49 <xorAxAx> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
2008-08-03T14:16:04 <waldi> hihi
2008-08-03T14:16:13 <ThomasWaldmann> LOL
2008-08-03T14:17:33 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe they should add KB08154711 "How to not use broken machine translation"
2008-08-03T14:34:43 <dreimark> re
2008-08-03T14:36:29 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: oh, then I can remove the magic
2008-08-03T14:39:34 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4243:958a07367cc9 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/link.py: Link converter - Fix relative links in pagelinks generation
2008-08-03T14:39:34 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4244:9d59ca2d8cd6 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/Page.py: Page - Fix pagelinks creation
2008-08-03T14:46:13 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2688:a51c93b56ca9 1.6/MoinMoin/i18n/ (9 files): updated i18n
2008-08-03T14:46:15 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2689:2b85fb3292d2 1.6/ (docs/INSTALL.html wiki/data/intermap.txt): make install-docs interwiki
2008-08-03T14:46:17 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2690:96edb388985b 1.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): changed data rev to 1060400, added dummy mig scripts
2008-08-03T14:46:18 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2691:5e9c9648740c 1.6/ (6 files in 5 dirs): bumping version numbers to 1.6.4
2008-08-03T14:46:19 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2692:eec03d656f32 1.6/wiki/underlay.tar: updated underlay
2008-08-03T14:48:20 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: no, no bug, it is a feature
2008-08-03T14:48:37 <ThomasWaldmann> the R is gone because it is a all-uppercase word
2008-08-03T14:49:05 <ThomasWaldmann> (like FOOBAR would be thrown away also)
2008-08-03T14:50:41 <dreimark> hmm, may be we should store the provided email address then always lowercase
2008-08-03T14:51:11 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2693:02f68dc10be0 1.6/.hgtags: Added tag tagged release 1.6.4, 1.6.4 for changeset eec03d656f32
2008-08-03T14:51:21 <dreimark> for the location I think I've discussed this with johill already that is defined in lowercase
2008-08-03T14:51:27 * TheSheep always confuset 'sanitize' with 'satanize'
2008-08-03T14:52:10 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you just have to lower() the email from user profile before using it
2008-08-03T14:52:44 <dreimark> u.email.lower().replace('@', ' AT SPAMFREE ').replace('.', ' DOT ')
2008-08-03T14:53:19 <ThomasWaldmann> - SPAMFREE
2008-08-03T14:53:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and it would be better not to hardcode that,
2008-08-03T14:54:14 <ThomasWaldmann> but to put some function near the other one doing the reverse thing
2008-08-03T14:54:15 <dreimark> ok, the comment on the template page is more usefull if the var is expanded before saving
2008-08-03T14:54:50 <ThomasWaldmann> (and using the same dict for doing the replacements)
2008-08-03T14:56:41 * dreimark don't understand
2008-08-03T14:57:42 <dreimark> but to put some function near the other one
2008-08-03T15:05:08 * dreimark thinks about loading page template stuff different
2008-08-03T15:06:39 <dreimark> since we have the draft system it should be possible to save the page from template as a draft page and reload that into the editor
2008-08-03T15:08:26 <dreimark> no does not work the draft does not expand
2008-08-03T15:10:08 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3917:c1110b025133 1.8/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py: PageEditor: simplified code for obfuscate_email_address
2008-08-03T15:13:01 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we have decodeSpamsafeEmail, you want encodeSpamsafeEmail now
2008-08-03T15:13:09 <ThomasWaldmann> (and please close that bug again :)
2008-08-03T15:13:29 <ThomasWaldmann> or rather mark it as NoBug
2008-08-03T15:13:49 <dreimark> aready done
2008-08-03T15:13:54 <dreimark> +l
2008-08-03T15:17:51 <dreimark> look like that should better become a method of User
2008-08-03T15:19:24 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: it currently is in MoinMoin.mail.sendmail
2008-08-03T15:19:51 <ThomasWaldmann> (that's not saying this is the greatest place for it, but both functions should be at same place at least)
2008-08-03T15:23:47 <dreimark> ok
2008-08-03T15:37:48 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4245:4dd67a9b070e 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Fix handling of parser data in nowiki sections
2008-08-03T15:37:48 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4246:e1c1ec0df13f 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/_tests/test__registry.py: Tests for converter registry - Apply interface changes
2008-08-03T15:37:49 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4247:8e65d49b2d90 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Fix not supported nowiki/parser sections
2008-08-03T15:37:50 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4248:90def7def01a 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Change converter interface to get content as sequence of lines
2008-08-03T15:37:52 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4249:6e89783309e6 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Support all kinds of converters in nowiki sections
2008-08-03T15:37:55 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4250:8848a0bc4f11 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/html_out.py: HTML output converter - Render all blockcode sections as codearea
2008-08-03T15:37:58 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4251:e7c15e342d5d 1.8-dom-bblank/wiki/htdocs/modern/css/common.css: Modern theme - Remove some paddings
2008-08-03T15:39:28 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4252:cfd86fbf88b1 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Fix code line and parser
2008-08-03T15:44:09 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4253:be3b11a165f4 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py: Moin Wiki input converter - Fix table match
2008-08-03T15:44:10 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4254:be5fe22b420f 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/html_out.py: HTML output converter - Differentiate between codearea and other blockcode
2008-08-03T16:12:05 * ThomasWaldmann changed master.moinmo.in --> master17.moinmo.in
2008-08-03T16:41:08 <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: how's your project going?
2008-08-03T16:47:05 <CIA-53> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 4413:8da32e699f04 1.8-storage-cdenter/MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py:
2008-08-03T16:47:05 <CIA-53> storage: action/AttachFile.py: Fix bug: When adding an attachment, deleting it
2008-08-03T16:47:05 <CIA-53> and trying to add an attachment with the same name again, don't tell the user
2008-08-03T16:47:05 <CIA-53> the attachment already exists. (The Code fixing this is rather ugly. Beautify.)
2008-08-03T18:14:50 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: that "overwrite" stuff was mainly to protect somebody accidentally overwriting an existing attachments, because in old storage that meant losing the old one
2008-08-03T18:15:23 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: I see, but there is no revert either
2008-08-03T18:15:56 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: well, revert should be there some day
2008-08-03T18:16:04 <dennda> i.e. a GUI update would be needed
2008-08-03T18:16:05 <dennda> yes
2008-08-03T18:16:12 <dennda> then overwrite can go and I can untangle that code
2008-08-03T18:16:17 <ThomasWaldmann> for now we can keep old behaviour
2008-08-03T18:16:28 <dennda> yes. I will add a comment outlining that
2008-08-03T18:16:29 <dennda> thanks
2008-08-03T18:20:22 <ThomasWaldmann> x-unidentified-wiki-format???
2008-08-03T18:24:22 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda:
2008-08-03T18:26:39 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: Yes, that was discussed yesterday.
2008-08-03T18:26:41 <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/403ErrorWithPageContent could you verify that this does not happen in your code?
2008-08-03T18:27:36 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: Around 21:30 starting, and then the discussion went on a while.
2008-08-03T18:27:37 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: how do you know it is a wiki format if it is unidentified? :)
2008-08-03T18:27:50 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: That means "some wiki format"
2008-08-03T18:27:55 <dennda> maybe rst, creole...
2008-08-03T18:28:03 <ThomasWaldmann> plain, ...
2008-08-03T18:28:15 <ThomasWaldmann> cplusplus, python, ...
2008-08-03T18:30:03 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the current main branch code assumes it is default_markup if nothing else is specified. does that help you for that?
2008-08-03T18:30:38 <dennda> default_markup is some constant I assume?
2008-08-03T18:30:47 <dennda> No, that doesn't really matter much to my task, actually
2008-08-03T18:31:01 <dennda> I just need to tell them apart somehow
2008-08-03T18:34:56 <xorAxAx> dennda: well, thats easy to do
2008-08-03T18:35:11 <dennda> xorAxAx: Yes, and already done. :)
2008-08-03T18:35:20 <xorAxAx> dennda: hehe
2008-08-03T18:36:45 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe a usefull differentiation would be whether we have a parser for it or not
2008-08-03T18:36:53 <ThomasWaldmann> -l
2008-08-03T18:37:30 <dennda> well, yeah, but can't you answer that question by looking at the mimetype?
2008-08-03T18:38:02 <xorAxAx> there are a few problems to solve
2008-08-03T18:38:10 <ThomasWaldmann> well, implement some wikiutil.haveParser(mimetype)
2008-08-03T18:38:29 <xorAxAx> mimetype editing is not possible yet and the field is not filled either
2008-08-03T18:38:32 <ThomasWaldmann> for the begining that could just return mimetype in [...] with some hardcoded list
2008-08-03T18:38:49 <dennda> umm, which field?
2008-08-03T18:39:01 <ThomasWaldmann> but don't store bullshit into mimetype metadata;)
2008-08-03T18:39:04 <xorAxAx> the mimetype field. ah, or do you fill it with unindentified?
2008-08-03T18:39:08 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: its not bullshit
2008-08-03T18:39:12 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: see the discussion
2008-08-03T18:39:27 <ThomasWaldmann> i read it
2008-08-03T18:39:32 <dennda> xorAxAx: If I can determine the mimetype, I put it in that field. If not, I use "unknown"
2008-08-03T18:39:45 <xorAxAx> i guess the 17 filesystem backend needs a default mimetype argument, dennda
2008-08-03T18:39:56 <dennda> That, however, is True
2008-08-03T18:39:59 <ThomasWaldmann> if you save something from text editor, it is either text/x-moin-wiki if no #format is given or something based on the format given
2008-08-03T18:40:18 <dennda> But since all of thet is saved on the disk with an extension, the migration script should be able to guess the mimetype
2008-08-03T18:40:22 <ThomasWaldmann> if somebody uploads an attachment it is what mimetypes tells
2008-08-03T18:40:50 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: oh, it is text/x-moin-wiki?
2008-08-03T18:41:13 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: use whatever you like, but be consistent
2008-08-03T18:41:24 <dennda> ok, it is consistent as it is right now
2008-08-03T18:41:33 <waldi> and it should mention which version of the markup?
2008-08-03T18:41:50 <dennda> waldi: do markups change that heavily?
2008-08-03T18:41:54 <dennda> I have no idea
2008-08-03T18:41:54 <ThomasWaldmann> nice idea, yes
2008-08-03T18:42:03 <waldi> dennda: see 1.5 vs 1.6
2008-08-03T18:42:14 <waldi> creole is rather stable
2008-08-03T18:43:06 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: of course what i told should have meant "it is either what #format tells or default_markup"
2008-08-03T18:43:27 <ThomasWaldmann> (and default_markup is "wiki" meaning moin-wiki markup)
2008-08-03T18:44:00 <dennda> ok
2008-08-03T18:44:01 <ThomasWaldmann> but site admin could change it to anything else, of course)
2008-08-03T18:48:16 <xorAxAx> dennda: the migration script doesnt have to guess
2008-08-03T18:48:21 <xorAxAx> dennda: wrong :)
2008-08-03T18:48:26 <xorAxAx> dennda: the backend has to guess
2008-08-03T18:59:39 <PawelPacana> dennda: can you run backend tests on your last changeset?
2008-08-03T18:59:58 <dennda> sure
2008-08-03T19:00:13 <dennda> does it fail for you?
2008-08-03T19:00:22 <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: its time to remove the unused formatters ...
2008-08-03T19:00:54 <PawelPacana> seems like missing import
2008-08-03T19:01:13 <dennda> ah
2008-08-03T19:01:32 <PawelPacana> in config
2008-08-03T19:01:40 <PawelPacana> where you define backend
2008-08-03T19:03:20 <PawelPacana> actually it is missing import, so check yours tests/wikiconfig.py
2008-08-03T19:04:58 <ThomasWaldmann> http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html
2008-08-03T19:05:40 <ThomasWaldmann> (the english stuff should be the translation of the chinese restaurant's name)
2008-08-03T19:06:06 <xorAxAx> waldi: which unused ones?
2008-08-03T19:06:19 <xorAxAx> hmm, the broken xml one? :)
2008-08-03T19:06:26 <xorAxAx> the docbook one is actually used
2008-08-03T19:07:52 <dennda> PawelPacana: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8-storage-cdenter/rev/bf0de5a40972
2008-08-03T19:07:59 <dennda> PawelPacana: Strange. I'll just add it.
2008-08-03T19:09:11 <waldi> xorAxAx: wrong tree. in mine only the html formatter is used and usable
2008-08-03T19:09:20 <CIA-53> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 4414:8ceb63a41b88 1.8-storage-cdenter/ (MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py tests/wikiconfig.py): storage: Fix missing import for tests.
2008-08-03T19:09:25 <dennda> PawelPacana: There you go
2008-08-03T19:13:09 <xorAxAx> waldi: thats bad :)
2008-08-03T19:13:27 * dennda wants a penny every time xorAxAx says that something is bad :D
2008-08-03T19:13:27 <xorAxAx> even inyoka (sp?) supports docbook
2008-08-03T19:13:46 <waldi> xorAxAx: someone needs to write a new docbook converter ...
2008-08-03T19:13:46 <xorAxAx> life is nice!
2008-08-03T19:14:08 <xorAxAx> waldi: yeah
2008-08-03T20:17:21 <dreimark> re
2008-08-03T20:17:41 <dreimark> gizmo__: hi, how is it going on ?
2008-08-03T20:59:43 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 47:e647f30cc08e EmeraldTree/emeraldtree/ (4 files): remove backwards compat code for python < 2.4
2008-08-03T21:18:59 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: no python 2.3 anymore?
2008-08-03T21:20:36 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: the emeraldtree stuff requires 2.4 at other places, so i was referring to 2.4. what i removed is only stuff for 1.5.2, 2.0 and < 2.2 though
2008-08-03T21:28:38 <xorAxAx> http://code.cmlenz.net/diva/wiki/FirePHP
2008-08-03T21:34:21 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: yes, we could use that once we emit headers very late
2008-08-03T21:35:10 <ThomasWaldmann> good morning byeongweon :)
2008-08-03T21:35:31 <byeongweon> ThomasWaldmann: :) good evening.
2008-08-03T21:42:38 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3918:b54044da7d09 1.8/MoinMoin/mail/_tests/test_sendmail.py: test_sendmail: new test for encodeSpamSafeEmail
2008-08-03T21:42:38 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3919:87c6a9ad850f 1.8/MoinMoin/mail/sendmail.py: sendmail: added encodeSpamSafeEmail. This uses the same translation dict as decodeSpamSafeEmail
2008-08-03T21:42:39 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3920:de8ffca86cc9 1.8/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py: PageEditor: EMAIL var uses sendmail.encodeSpamSafeEmail
2008-08-03T21:42:40 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3921:a59685636e28 1.8/MoinMoin/mail/sendmail.py: sendmail.decodeSpamSafeEmail: fixed doc string, see http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/MailToMacroDoesNotRenderSingleUpperCaseLetters (NoBug)
2008-08-03T21:44:37 <xorAxAx> 4:44 is early .)
2008-08-03T21:56:40 * dennda will stay awake tonight and tomorrow, at precisely 4:45 drive to his flat
2008-08-03T22:02:50 <dreimark> hi byeongweon
2008-08-03T22:03:05 <byeongweon> dreimark: hi :)
2008-08-03T22:16:22 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: hi, how is the bug fixing work going?
2008-08-03T22:17:08 <byeongweon> xorAxAx: I'm thinking about BR macro problem we were talk about.
2008-08-03T22:17:43 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4255:92190aaa31f5 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (macro2/RandomQuote.py macro/RandomQuote.py): Migrate RandomQuote macro to new interface
2008-08-03T22:17:50 <xorAxAx> byeongweon: yeah, it has numerous facets :)
2008-08-03T22:18:49 <byeongweon> xorAxAx: I was try to fix that few ways but can't find a way I satisfied.
2008-08-03T22:19:14 <xorAxAx> still the bug with list items? or another br-related issue?
2008-08-03T22:19:22 <byeongweon> so now I leave that problem back and sort issues(yesterday) and fixing other bugs
2008-08-03T22:19:39 <byeongweon> I was fix list br problem.
2008-08-03T22:19:50 <xorAxAx> yeah, which is the one you are thinking about?
2008-08-03T22:19:53 <byeongweon> but br problem is other function wide.
2008-08-03T22:20:06 <xorAxAx> yeah, there are a lot of related issues
2008-08-03T22:20:31 <byeongweon> yes. I'm try to fix relative link problem now.
2008-08-03T22:22:39 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3785:544e5091d940 1.7/MoinMoin/macro/EditTemplates.py: EditTemplates macro: fixed docstring
2008-08-03T22:24:56 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3929:15f2aaa2be01 1.8/ (10 files in 5 dirs): merged moin/1.7
2008-08-03T22:29:41 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4270:80491ca70134 1.8-dom-bblank/ (13 files in 8 dirs): merged moin/1.8
2008-08-03T22:59:07 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3930:db3edaef0ba1 1.8/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): some wording corrected
2008-08-03T22:59:08 <CIA-53> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3931:9c2fb9246e66 1.8/ (10 files in 5 dirs): merged main
2008-08-03T23:08:28 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4271:896b0a01af9e 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (macro2/GetText.py macro/GetText.py macro2/_GetText.py): Migrate GetText macro to new interface
2008-08-03T23:22:31 <dreimark> me looks for a bigger screen, any suggestions ?
2008-08-03T23:23:05 <TheSheep> dreimark: I use Samsung SyncMaster 940BW, no complaints
2008-08-03T23:25:29 <dreimark> 42 W :)
2008-08-03T23:26:07 <TheSheep> ?
2008-08-03T23:26:33 <dreimark> power requirement
2008-08-03T23:26:48 <TheSheep> ah
2008-08-03T23:27:08 <PawelPacana> bigger? like Nec 2470WNX?
2008-08-03T23:27:42 <byeongweon> dreimark: in korea. there's lots of bigger screens sell cheap price.
2008-08-03T23:28:10 <byeongweon> 30 inch wide lcd can buy here only $500
2008-08-03T23:28:12 <ThomasWaldmann> byeongweon: like Samsung and Hanns.G? :)
2008-08-03T23:28:25 <byeongweon> Hanns.G?
2008-08-03T23:28:32 <ThomasWaldmann> Hannstar
2008-08-03T23:28:33 <xorAxAx> arent tft state funded in korea?
2008-08-03T23:28:35 <byeongweon> I don't know that company.
2008-08-03T23:28:53 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: taiwan
2008-08-03T23:28:57 <xorAxAx> han == chinese
2008-08-03T23:28:59 <TheSheep> byeongweon: tft = lcd screens
2008-08-03T23:29:14 <TheSheep> ah, sorry
2008-08-03T23:29:15 <byeongweon> TheSheep: yes. tft
2008-08-03T23:29:17 <TheSheep> ignore me :)
2008-08-03T23:29:28 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: 42 = 41 - 1 :)
2008-08-03T23:29:42 <dreimark> he
2008-08-03T23:29:51 <byeongweon> ThomasWaldmann: popular tft companies here are Samsung and LG
2008-08-03T23:30:35 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I'm afraid that you'd have to communicate more clearly if you really want the message to get across at this hour :(
2008-08-03T23:30:54 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: i was just pointing out that 42 is 41 minus 1 :)
2008-08-03T23:31:22 <TheSheep> *shrug*
2008-08-03T23:32:44 <byeongweon> I think dual 24-inch tft monitors are best for programmer if money's enough :)
2008-08-03T23:32:47 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: Is there anything wrong with Samsung-TFTs? I was going to buy a 24" from Samsung
2008-08-03T23:33:10 <byeongweon> dennda: samsung's tft panel is fine.
2008-08-03T23:34:17 <dennda> dreimark: I will most like get this one as of thursday: http://www.preissuchmaschine.de/preisvergleich/produkt.cgi?suche=syncmaster+2493+HM&x=0&y=0
2008-08-03T23:34:32 <dennda> (It has a pivot-function, which is a must-have for me)
2008-08-03T23:37:03 <TheSheep> http://www.wacom.com/cintiq/12wx.cfm <-- the next monitor I'm going to buy, if ever
2008-08-03T23:37:04 <byeongweon> dennda: I think LG electronics are better.
2008-08-03T23:37:28 <dennda> byeongweon: I can get this one cheaply and test it in my own environment before I buy it :)
2008-08-03T23:38:03 <byeongweon> oh. that sounds good :)
2008-08-03T23:38:26 <dennda> A friend of mine used it since april and now wants to buy an eizo for around 800 EUR
2008-08-03T23:38:27 <byeongweon> dennda: I also buy 24-inch tft few days ago.
2008-08-03T23:38:33 <dennda> and he'll sell me this one
2008-08-03T23:38:40 <dennda> byeongweon: which one?
2008-08-03T23:39:11 <dreimark> TheSheep: cool, me wishes the monitors could have a variable density
2008-08-03T23:39:26 <dennda> density of what?
2008-08-03T23:40:33 <TheSheep> dreimark: you mean like lamp-based monitors?
2008-08-03T23:41:30 <dennda> TheSheep: Well, you are an artist. I guess that monitor would suit you. :)
2008-08-03T23:41:34 <byeongweon> dennda: only korean page http://www.11st.co.kr/product/SellerProductDetail.tmall?method=getSellerProductDetail&prdNo=5318599&service_id=pcdn
2008-08-03T23:41:44 <dennda> I have seen your artwork by accident recently
2008-08-03T23:41:46 <dennda> quite cool stuff
2008-08-03T23:42:11 <byeongweon> cheapest one that satisfied me.
2008-08-03T23:42:28 <dennda> hmk
2008-08-03T23:42:33 <dennda> How much?
2008-08-03T23:42:38 <xorAxAx> dennda: google
2008-08-03T23:42:42 <dennda> but well, I guess that isn't really comparable
2008-08-03T23:42:54 <dennda> xorAxAx: ?
2008-08-03T23:42:59 <TheSheep> dennda: I haven't drawn anything since 2 years :/
2008-08-03T23:43:04 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: no, samsung is fine
2008-08-03T23:43:09 <xorAxAx> dennda: google does currency conversions
2008-08-03T23:43:10 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: I, unfortunately, did
2008-08-03T23:43:24 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: ok
2008-08-03T23:43:33 <dennda> oops
2008-08-03T23:43:50 <dennda> TheSheep: I, unfortunately, did. (this way)
2008-08-03T23:43:59 <byeongweon> dennda: it's 189.8 EUR
2008-08-03T23:44:08 <dennda> oh
2008-08-03T23:44:11 <dennda> not that expensive
2008-08-03T23:44:38 <ThomasWaldmann> one rarely can compare foreign and german prices ;)
2008-08-03T23:44:47 <dennda> yes, I know
2008-08-03T23:44:55 <byeongweon> you can buy 30-inch TFTs only 300 EUR here.
2008-08-03T23:45:08 <TheSheep> byeongweon: have you ever noticed how asian web sites tend to use a lot of pastel colors? I wonder why...
2008-08-03T23:45:10 <dennda> byeongweon: I guess the shipping would be a bit expensive, though
2008-08-03T23:45:34 <TheSheep> byeongweon: at least the shopping/news sites that I've seen
2008-08-03T23:45:54 <byeongweon> TheSheep: I don't like that kind of site also :-(
2008-08-03T23:46:00 <dennda> TheSheep: The first thing I noticed were those typical chinese / japanese texts on that gif :)
2008-08-03T23:46:26 <TheSheep> dennda: actually it's korean, it's a distinctive alphabet, and phonetic too!
2008-08-03T23:46:44 * dennda has little knowledge on that matter
2008-08-03T23:47:02 <dennda> sorry :)
2008-08-03T23:47:24 <TheSheep> dennda: you can recognize it by those little circles :)
2008-08-03T23:47:30 <xorAxAx> at least you didnt say russian or cyrillic :)
2008-08-03T23:47:38 <dennda> and by the TLD
2008-08-03T23:54:58 <byeongweon> chinese and japanes and korean are looks similar? MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-08-03 (last edited 2008-08-02 22:45:01 by IrcLogImporter)
