MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-04-12

2009-04-12T00:22:00  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, docbook formatter seems to work with stdlib xml / minidom now
2009-04-12T00:22:07  <dreimark> :)
2009-04-12T00:22:24  * ThomasWaldmann asks himself why it was done with 4suite / pyxml back then...
2009-04-12T00:23:39  <dreimark> do you have looked at that macro without parameter issue too?
2009-04-12T00:24:20  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2009-04-12T01:00:26  <dreimark> master19 is fixed now (if I haven't missed one)
2009-04-12T01:04:32  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: that macro problem does not occure on standalone server
2009-04-12T01:07:04  <ThomasWaldmann> hm?
2009-04-12T01:08:14  <dreimark> looks like xapian is not enabled on my standalone wiki
2009-04-12T01:08:45  <dreimark> currently http://localhost:8080/SlīdrādesPalīdzība does not show up a Internal server error here
2009-04-12T01:09:11  * dreimark builds index
2009-04-12T01:14:00  <dreimark> with xapian that page does not give an error with a <<Navigation>> macro call
2009-04-12T01:14:25  <dreimark> http://master19.moinmo.in/4ct10n/recall/SlīdrādesPalīdzība?action=recall&rev=4 does
2009-04-12T01:15:57  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and?
2009-04-12T01:21:32  * dreimark looks at this after some sleep
2009-04-12T01:21:54  <dreimark> btw. we have one proposal less
2009-04-12T01:22:16  <dreimark> because of ineligible
2009-04-12T02:59:53  <ThomasWaldmann> http://bigasterisk.com/tahoe-playground/
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2009-04-12T09:32:25  <czarny> hello
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2009-04-12T09:33:52  <TheSheep> hi czarny
2009-04-12T09:33:57  <TheSheep> happy easter sunday
2009-04-12T09:34:03  <TheSheep> all
2009-04-12T09:35:14  <czarny> Wabbit....where is that wabbit
2009-04-12T10:07:25  <dreimark> same to you :)
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2009-04-12T11:16:12  <xorAxAx> does anyone know Astrid Emde?
2009-04-12T11:16:14  <xorAxAx> hi czarny
2009-04-12T11:16:26  <xorAxAx> czarny: why are you a mentor?
2009-04-12T11:17:00  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: why not?
2009-04-12T11:17:14  <xorAxAx> well, he wasnt active before here
2009-04-12T11:17:19  <xorAxAx> was he?
2009-04-12T11:17:39  <xorAxAx> the most important part of SOC are the mentors
2009-04-12T11:17:49  <xorAxAx> and we as org admins need to know them
2009-04-12T11:18:02  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: he probably won't get to mentor this year, so calm down :)
2009-04-12T11:18:20  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: well, I think you are the only one who didn't meet him
2009-04-12T11:18:28  <xorAxAx> i am just wondering, do i sound excited?
2009-04-12T11:18:35  <TheSheep> you do
2009-04-12T11:18:44  <xorAxAx> ok :)
2009-04-12T11:18:51  <xorAxAx> i am a bit stressed, indeed
2009-04-12T11:18:56  <TheSheep> what happened?
2009-04-12T11:19:04  <xorAxAx> no idea, general mood
2009-04-12T11:19:10  <TheSheep> Easter...
2009-04-12T11:19:27  <TheSheep> family tends to be unnerving
2009-04-12T11:19:41  <xorAxAx> no, the family is not worse than on any other day
2009-04-12T11:19:56  <TheSheep> I take it as a good thing
2009-04-12T11:19:58  * dennda waves
2009-04-12T11:20:23  <xorAxAx> hey dennda
2009-04-12T11:20:30  <dennda> hey xorAxAx
2009-04-12T11:20:32  <dennda> long time no see
2009-04-12T11:20:37  <xorAxAx> indeed
2009-04-12T11:20:44  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: anyways, I asked czarny to emntor when it appeared we won't have enough mentors for all good student submissions
2009-04-12T11:20:56  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: where did you meet czarny?
2009-04-12T11:21:07  <xorAxAx> 1045 unread mails on the soc lists, ugh
2009-04-12T11:21:14  * xorAxAx enables threading and prays
2009-04-12T11:21:50  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I live with him
2009-04-12T11:21:55  <xorAxAx> ah
2009-04-12T11:22:03  <czarny> yo
2009-04-12T11:22:10  <czarny> I've become a mentor to twist the souls of young students
2009-04-12T11:22:14  <xorAxAx> lol
2009-04-12T11:22:22  <dennda> quick question: when using the standalone wikiserver, does it use multiple threads?
2009-04-12T11:22:30  <xorAxAx> dennda: depends
2009-04-12T11:22:43  <TheSheep> dennda: I think it has an option for it, but it seems to default to false
2009-04-12T11:22:50  <xorAxAx> nir once added all imaginable modes
2009-04-12T11:23:06  <czarny> xorAxAx: TheSheep  asked me and then Thomas, as there was some docbook stuff to be done and I use docbook on daily basis
2009-04-12T11:23:08  <dennda> talking of default mode
2009-04-12T11:23:13  <xorAxAx> czarny: no problem :)
2009-04-12T11:23:42  <TheSheep> by the way, Alex, meet Czarek, Czarek, meet Alex
2009-04-12T11:23:43  <xorAxAx> dennda: i think i would look up the answer to that question on helponconfiguration
2009-04-12T11:23:51  <xorAxAx> or helponstandalone*
2009-04-12T11:24:05  <TheSheep> or source code
2009-04-12T11:24:18  <TheSheep> might be faster
2009-04-12T11:24:40  <xorAxAx> and more "correct"
2009-04-12T11:24:45  <xorAxAx> ah, not anymore
2009-04-12T11:25:06  <xorAxAx> (when it was still manually updated, it was wrong sometimes by design)
2009-04-12T11:25:31  <TheSheep> as to not strees the users with too much truth at once ;)
2009-04-12T11:27:45  <xorAxAx> maybe we need a ministry of truth subsystem
2009-04-12T11:30:39  <xorAxAx> ok, regarding mentors i wonder when we want to assign final mentors
2009-04-12T11:32:02  <xorAxAx> and i wonder how one can assign final mentors at all
2009-04-12T11:33:03  <TheSheep> I suppose the mentors have their preferences
2009-04-12T11:34:10  <xorAxAx> found out
2009-04-12T11:34:16  <xorAxAx> how to do it :)
2009-04-12T11:34:46  <TheSheep> ah, you meant "how to use that awesome and intuitive melange tool"?
2009-04-12T11:34:51  <xorAxAx> yes
2009-04-12T11:35:02  <xorAxAx> we should assign the mentors today because conflict resolution starts tomorrow
2009-04-12T11:37:48  <xorAxAx> we means dreimark, ThomasWaldmann and me
2009-04-12T11:38:12  <xorAxAx> probably the mentors can start arbitrating in the private comments whether they really want in case there are multiple assigned mentors
2009-04-12T11:39:33  <xorAxAx> .oO(^H ^K in evolution eases "reading" mailing lists)
2009-04-12T11:39:54  <dennda> how many mentors are there anyways?
2009-04-12T11:40:12  <xorAxAx> too many :-)
2009-04-12T11:40:21  <dennda> is that a bad thing?
2009-04-12T11:40:24  <xorAxAx> we know the preliminary slot count already
2009-04-12T11:40:30  <dennda> i know
2009-04-12T11:40:41  <xorAxAx> no, the "bad" thing is that people need to decide if 2 mentors want the same student
2009-04-12T11:41:21  <TheSheep> I think it's pretty normal and expected that not all mentors will participate this year
2009-04-12T11:41:41  <dennda> that will happen anyways if there's 234 mentors and only 3 students
2009-04-12T11:42:29  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: sure
2009-04-12T11:53:09  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: what version of python will at least be required for 2.0?
2009-04-12T11:56:59  <TheSheep> by the time it's released, 3.0 will be obsolete ;)
2009-04-12T11:57:19  <TheSheep> I say we require parrot and hurd
2009-04-12T11:57:34  <TheSheep> ok, that wasn't funny, sorry
2009-04-12T11:57:40  <TheSheep> it goes pretty fast actually
2009-04-12T11:58:14  <dennda> :-)
2009-04-12T12:05:24  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-04-12T12:05:38  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: :P
2009-04-12T12:06:04  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: 2.4
2009-04-12T12:06:16  <TheSheep> damn debian
2009-04-12T12:13:07  <dreimark> xorAxAx: ThomasWaldmann has sent an email to her
2009-04-12T12:13:42  <dreimark> xorAxAx: we met czarny at ep last year
2009-04-12T12:14:27  <czarny> like a Bond episode
2009-04-12T12:14:32  <czarny> 5 star hotel
2009-04-12T12:14:33  <czarny> conference
2009-04-12T12:14:35  <czarny> hand shaking
2009-04-12T12:14:36  <czarny> drinks :)
2009-04-12T12:18:06  <dreimark> dennda: app engine is currently based on 2.5
2009-04-12T12:18:14  <dreimark> we should keep that in mind
2009-04-12T12:20:05  <ThomasWaldmann> what does that mean?
2009-04-12T12:21:31  <dreimark> it should mean if we want sometimes later want to use that app engine we should not much faster increase
2009-04-12T12:21:41  <dreimark> the py version
2009-04-12T12:21:49  <ThomasWaldmann> all (potential) mentors please join #moin-soc
2009-04-12T12:22:16  <ThomasWaldmann> a) GAE is quite a bit in the future for us
2009-04-12T12:22:44  <ThomasWaldmann> b) we won't increase too fast
2009-04-12T12:28:05  <ThomasWaldmann> czarny: waldi: PawelPacana: > #moin-soc
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2009-04-12T13:42:30  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: please join #moin-soc
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2009-04-12T16:55:55  <TheSheep> you guys think I should contact http://www.vakuumverpackt.de/byebye/ and suggest putting his theme on the ThemeMarket?
2009-04-12T17:00:19  <dreimark> TheSheep: please do, i wonder about the name
2009-04-12T17:00:25  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: a bit too simple for my personal taste, but yeah, why not
2009-04-12T17:02:48  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: simple is good, really, didn't it occur to you that most themes on ThemeMarket (at least the more amitious ones) are called 'simplemente', 'clean', 'simplemoin', 'balanced', etc. ?
2009-04-12T17:03:03  <TheSheep> and 'basic'
2009-04-12T17:03:39  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: what was the reason for not pointing the old website to new urls?
2009-04-12T17:04:25  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: maybe as 1.5.x is getting old, 301 redirects could be placed...
2009-04-12T17:07:26  * dennda doesn't personally like the official moin theme
2009-04-12T17:16:08  <TheSheep> it's not terrible, but it's on the complicated side of the spectrum
2009-04-12T17:19:36  * dreimark plays with xapian
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2009-04-12T18:24:06  <dreimark> why do we have now str(err) ?
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2009-04-12T18:30:02  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: iirc we had a similar problem with the password checker
2009-04-12T18:36:26  <ThomasWaldmann> >>> e=ValueError(u"böse")
2009-04-12T18:36:26  <ThomasWaldmann> >>> unicode(e)
2009-04-12T18:36:26  <ThomasWaldmann> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
2009-04-12T18:36:26  <ThomasWaldmann> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
2009-04-12T18:36:40  <ThomasWaldmann> (py 2.5)
2009-04-12T18:37:36  <ThomasWaldmann> thus, while passing some str via an exception works, it doesn't work with unicode
2009-04-12T18:39:59  <dreimark> >>> e=ValueError(u"böse")
2009-04-12T18:39:59  <dreimark> >>> unicode(e)
2009-04-12T18:39:59  <dreimark> u'b\xf6se'
2009-04-12T18:40:09  <dreimark> (py 2.6.2)
2009-04-12T18:40:27  <dreimark> >>> str(e)
2009-04-12T18:40:27  <dreimark> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
2009-04-12T18:40:28  <dreimark> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
2009-04-12T18:40:49  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, seems like they fixed it in 2.6, but that doesn't help us much
2009-04-12T18:49:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (it is also fixed in py3)
2009-04-12T18:51:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: try your patch with 2.5
2009-04-12T18:51:29  <ThomasWaldmann> or 2.4
2009-04-12T18:54:59  <dreimark> will do
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2009-04-12T18:59:49  <dreimark> how can I tell wsgi to an other py version?
2009-04-12T19:00:01  <dreimark> +run
2009-04-12T19:03:59  <dreimark> found it is should be the directive WSGIPythonHome
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2009-04-12T19:06:17  <dreimark> that was wrong
2009-04-12T19:17:03  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can I set another py environment without recompiling mod_wsgi?
2009-04-12T19:21:01  <ThomasWaldmann> that bug should be completely unrelated to using apache and mod_wsgi, so just use wikiserver.py
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2009-04-12T19:25:54  <dreimark> in py2.4 it is no fix
2009-04-12T19:25:55  <dreimark> moin-1.9/MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py", line 131, in execute return self.formatter.text(_('<<%(macro_name)s: execution failed [%(error_msg)s] (see also the log)>>') % {
2009-04-12T19:25:59  <dreimark> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 26: ordinal not in range(128)
2009-04-12T19:28:08  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, as I said :)
2009-04-12T19:28:32  <dreimark> yeah
2009-04-12T19:29:57  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe create a list of places where this is used in 1.7
2009-04-12T19:30:27  <ThomasWaldmann> then I'll fix it there and pull to 1.8/1.9
2009-04-12T19:30:43  <dreimark> it works in 1.8
2009-04-12T19:31:02  <ThomasWaldmann> then the code is different there
2009-04-12T19:31:42  <ThomasWaldmann> what I meant with "list of places" is a complete review of the exception handlers and usage of str(err) like stuff with i18ned / unicode strings
2009-04-12T19:31:55  <dreimark> it is and I thought the difference was not using str
2009-04-12T19:32:44  * dreimark looks at py 2.6 first
2009-04-12T19:32:51  <dreimark> 2.5
2009-04-12T19:33:29  <ThomasWaldmann> and testing is much faster on the minimum requirement :)
2009-04-12T19:36:44  <dreimark> there was this strange lang bug (was it spain?) may be it has the same reason
2009-04-12T19:38:57  <dreimark> anyway it would be good to know that you can run mod_wsgi with an older py version (without compiling)
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2009-04-12T19:46:54  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if some potential soc student is bored: we could need some autoreloading middleware for better development / debugging
2009-04-12T19:47:38  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: autoreloading, as in busting cache each time?
2009-04-12T19:47:51  <dennda> werkzeug dev server has something like that
2009-04-12T19:48:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: yes, that's what I mean :)
2009-04-12T19:48:17  <TheSheep> ah, detecting changes of files
2009-04-12T19:48:24  <TheSheep> it's very convenient, I use it
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2009-04-12T22:44:25  <devilsadvocate> dreimark, how did you finally get the categories to work (what was the problem?)
2009-04-12T22:44:53  <dreimark> xapian indexing has a problem and we debug this currently
2009-04-12T22:45:07  <dreimark> rebuilding the index fixed it
2009-04-12T22:46:00  <devilsadvocate> oh, ok
2009-04-12T22:46:00  <TheSheep> there is going to be a lecture on xapian on europython
2009-04-12T22:46:46  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, nice. from whom?
2009-04-12T22:47:07  <dreimark> you are very good informed TheSheep ;)
2009-04-12T22:47:32  <TheSheep> Richard Boulton afaik
2009-04-12T22:47:32  <dreimark> is mercurial there?
2009-04-12T22:48:13  <TheSheep> I don't remember anything about hg, but maybe the title was indirect
2009-04-12T22:49:15  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, nice. then we can meet richard in person. :)
2009-04-12T22:58:18  <TheSheep> the list will be published soon I guess :)
2009-04-12T22:59:35  <ThomasWaldmann> i hope some mercurial folk is also there, so that I needn't do my "you can do same with hg" in the git or bzr talks. :D
2009-04-12T23:27:30  <dreimark> can one review that the ideais correct http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9_request.finish
2009-04-12T23:27:59  <dreimark> it needs then some small fixes in var names and comments
2009-04-12T23:36:53  <dreimark> good night