MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-10-11

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2009-10-11T02:39:54  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5209:b072085c6acd 1.9/MoinMoin/search/results.py: (log message trimmed)
2009-10-11T02:39:54  <CIA-23> search: improve search result ordering (details below)
2009-10-11T02:39:54  <CIA-23> Title search orders by pagename. Now we also consider the attachment name,
2009-10-11T02:39:54  <CIA-23> so that a page hit comes first and is followed by hits for attachments of
2009-10-11T02:39:54  <CIA-23> that page.
2009-10-11T02:39:58  <CIA-23> Full text search is ordering by hit weight and pagename. Now we also consider
2009-10-11T02:40:00  <CIA-23> the attachment name there, so that if weight and pagename is same, the page
2009-10-11T02:40:02  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5213:5204e8eb9737 1.9/MoinMoin/ (7 files in 4 dirs): merged moin/1.8
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2009-10-11T10:53:32  <JosefMeier> Moin Moin
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2009-10-11T12:25:08  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5214:e3088c83b6e7 1.9/wiki/underlay.tar: updated underlay
2009-10-11T12:25:58  <EugeneSyr> hm, it was notification about hg repo update?
2009-10-11T12:28:41  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2009-10-11T12:28:58  <ThomasWaldmann> EugeneSyr: do you have a 1.9 repo checkout?
2009-10-11T12:29:41  <EugeneSyr> hm, no.
2009-10-11T12:30:19  <ThomasWaldmann> you can either use hg (mercurial) to fetch it or just download a tar from the repo ui
2009-10-11T12:30:54  <ThomasWaldmann> if you run "make pagepacks" from the toplevel directory, you get all the pagepacks built
2009-10-11T12:31:24  <ThomasWaldmann> (or just wait for rc1, if that is too much hassle)
2009-10-11T12:31:43  * EugeneSyr thinking about installing git-hg
2009-10-11T12:31:53  <EugeneSyr> no, it isn't
2009-10-11T12:34:23  <dreimark> bbl
2009-10-11T12:36:16  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: What do you think about having a Jython project in MoinMoin for a client side "python applet" which does blm ?
2009-10-11T12:38:22  <dreimark> why is that needed? WantedPages currentlly needs only python too?
2009-10-11T12:39:01  <dreimark> pull is finsished, now I can really leave
2009-10-11T12:39:55  <JosefMeier> dreimark: cause server can't look on www and network drive as discussed today and yesterday. client should have access to both, if he also can the wiki
2009-10-11T12:40:14  <JosefMeier> "if he also can use the wiki links" i ment
2009-10-11T12:43:56  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: i have never used jython
2009-10-11T12:44:16  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: Jython is some kind of python to java code compiler
2009-10-11T12:44:39  <JosefMeier> you write normal python code. after that it's converted to a Java jar so you can use it in a web browser for example
2009-10-11T12:45:01  <JosefMeier> If python could be run in a web browser itself, we wouldn't need that.
2009-10-11T12:45:03  <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to explain jython, i know it, but i never used it
2009-10-11T12:45:08  <JosefMeier> ah ok
2009-10-11T12:45:10  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, i think, you need special man, who just write what you need.
2009-10-11T12:45:37  <ThomasWaldmann> see my advice on the FR page
2009-10-11T12:45:53  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: my idea. But I also see that it could be useful for general ways also
2009-10-11T12:46:53  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: Client side installation? What has to be installed?
2009-10-11T12:47:37  <ThomasWaldmann> your client side link checker + dependencies
2009-10-11T12:47:38  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, if it will be useful, it should be modified after then until Thomas agreed to incorporate it :)
2009-10-11T12:48:08  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: the client side link checker is a java applet which will be served by moin moin the AnyWikiDraw way.
2009-10-11T12:48:11  <EugeneSyr> or ActionMarket+ThemeMarket.
2009-10-11T12:48:24  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: also Java is needed. But that's all.
2009-10-11T12:49:17  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: Also blm is a special procedure which should be done by admins. At least the "checker" could only be ran by them.
2009-10-11T12:49:58  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: I hope so. What do you think why I'm trying to convince him so much and asking him a hole in his stomach :-D
2009-10-11T12:50:43  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: you know I don't like java? :) and aside from that, we don't have any java developer aside from .. you?
2009-10-11T12:51:17  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: You don't need a Java developer for the link checker. The Java code is processed automatically by Jython. The source code is in python.
2009-10-11T12:51:41  <ThomasWaldmann> jython can create applets?
2009-10-11T12:51:45  <JosefMeier> Ye
2009-10-11T12:51:47  <JosefMeier> yes
2009-10-11T12:51:52  <JosefMeier> as far as I understood
2009-10-11T12:51:58  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, sounds much better :)
2009-10-11T12:52:17  <JosefMeier> It creates jar files
2009-10-11T12:52:35  <ThomasWaldmann> but please break that whole thing down to smaller steps
2009-10-11T12:52:43  <JosefMeier> thats why this idea is so beautiful. Some problems can only be reasonably solved on client side. I'm also sorry about that web browsers don't support python.
2009-10-11T12:52:51  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: I'll break it down in smaller steps
2009-10-11T12:52:53  <ThomasWaldmann> and finish step n before proceeding to n+1
2009-10-11T12:52:57  <JosefMeier> and also make good specification
2009-10-11T12:53:19  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: But ... (there's always a but in such sentences ;-) )
2009-10-11T12:53:21  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, i didn't know. When we needed some management features in moin during developing courses, we just made it.
2009-10-11T12:53:57  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: I'll need the advices of "old Moin rabbits" like you and dreimar for that
2009-10-11T12:54:30  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Did they get into Moin after that?
2009-10-11T12:54:39  <EugeneSyr> nope.
2009-10-11T12:54:48  <EugeneSyr> Иге цу пще црфе цу туув
2009-10-11T12:54:56  <EugeneSyr> *But we got what we need
2009-10-11T12:54:59  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Have you described somewhere, what you made ?
2009-10-11T12:55:22  <JosefMeier> I always prefer to make something general, cause then I don't have to take care after it alone.
2009-10-11T12:55:24  <EugeneSyr> yes. http://uneex.ru/eSyr/WikiHack
2009-10-11T12:55:37  <JosefMeier> lol
2009-10-11T12:55:40  <EugeneSyr> (it's in russian)
2009-10-11T12:55:43  <JosefMeier> Have to learn russian for that ;-)
2009-10-11T12:55:49  <EugeneSyr> yep
2009-10-11T12:56:04  <EugeneSyr> i'm wishing rewrite it and make proper documentstion.
2009-10-11T12:56:43  <EugeneSyr> i think, i'll do it when we'll move from heap.altlinux.org to something new and better, but moin-based, too.
2009-10-11T12:56:45  <JosefMeier> but it looks like you have done a lot. Would be very interesting to understand what you have done. So: if you have translated it, please inform me. Would be nice.
2009-10-11T12:56:58  <EugeneSyr> yes, i'll do.
2009-10-11T12:57:29  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Have you also done GUI editor hacks which aren't in the Moin release yet? I'll also very interested in that. Maybe we can swap :-)
2009-10-11T12:58:05  <EugeneSyr> i did fckeditor hacks not for moin editor, for other project :(
2009-10-11T12:59:51  <ThomasWaldmann> dimazest: there is still that failing search test with stemming in 1.9
2009-10-11T13:01:29  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: A question beside our discussion here: Do you make daily backups of the MoinMoin server? Cause I'm creating AnyWikiDraw drawings on my FR site and I don't want that someone kills them forever :-)
2009-10-11T13:08:54  <ThomasWaldmann> you should keep a local copy of important stuff
2009-10-11T13:09:28  <EugeneSyr> hm, how this can be done with drawings?
2009-10-11T13:09:28  <ThomasWaldmann> i make backups, but I don't promise to keep them forever (or until someone notices something is missing)
2009-10-11T13:09:46  <ThomasWaldmann> download the drawing?
2009-10-11T13:10:08  <EugeneSyr> (i haven' java, so i didn' know anything about drawings)
2009-10-11T13:10:14  <EugeneSyr> *haven't
2009-10-11T13:10:19  <EugeneSyr> *don't
2009-10-11T13:19:18  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: the drawings are stored in the attachments of your page. So you also can download them (.adraw and .tdraw extension)
2009-10-11T13:20:25  <EugeneSyr> oh, thanks, i didn't know.
2009-10-11T13:22:41  <EugeneSyr> (when we need some drawings, we used dot and FrBrGeorge's parser)
2009-10-11T13:24:31  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Look at AnyWikiDraw. You'll love it :-)
2009-10-11T13:25:20  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, it uses java and i cant just write anywikidrawing an text editor :)
2009-10-11T13:25:37  <EugeneSyr> but, i think, it will be useful on farm.
2009-10-11T13:25:48  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Uck :-)
2009-10-11T13:27:59  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5215:9b23a2612d75 1.9/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: fix pep8 test failure
2009-10-11T13:28:04  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5216:c5b2ef48029d 1.9/docs/CHANGES: Updated CHANGES
2009-10-11T13:37:25  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4416:5c20ed1c0e24 1.8/MoinMoin/session.py: do not use httponly session cookies, makes trouble with twikidraw and ACLs
2009-10-11T13:54:45  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5217:f73f476d4c0d 1.9/ (docs/INSTALL.html docs/UPDATE.html wiki/data/intermap.txt): make install-docs interwiki
2009-10-11T13:54:47  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5218:f072ac3017c8 1.9/ (MoinMoin/version.py docs/CHANGES moin.spec): preparing rc1 release: bumping version number to 1.9.0rc1, update CHANGES
2009-10-11T13:54:49  <CIA-23> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5219:ae076c4adfda 1.9/setup.py: fix setup.py: add MoinMoin.auth.openidrp_ext
2009-10-11T13:55:39  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, what did you mean? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uck is irrelevant, i suppose.
2009-10-11T13:59:44  <JosefMeier> EugeneSyr: Uck is the noise you make, if you are surprised about something and swallow the juice in your mouth ;-)
2009-10-11T14:00:50  <EugeneSyr> oh.
2009-10-11T14:05:16  <JosefMeier> Maybe your's sounds different ;-) *joking*
2009-10-11T14:06:44  <EugeneSyr> no, i just didn't associate
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2009-10-11T14:16:51  <dreimark> JosefMeier: make a page package
2009-10-11T14:16:59  <dreimark> see package pages action
2009-10-11T14:18:06  <JosefMeier> dreimark: and then?
2009-10-11T14:18:12  <JosefMeier> ah
2009-10-11T14:18:17  <JosefMeier> you mean to get the drawings
2009-10-11T14:18:22  <JosefMeier> good idea
2009-10-11T14:18:31  <dreimark> tpo get the page the drawings and all other attachments
2009-10-11T14:18:33  <JosefMeier> forgot that we have this feature already in moin
2009-10-11T14:19:44  <dreimark> JosefMeier: there should be automated tests possible for your new plugin
2009-10-11T14:20:23  <dreimark> or better the tests should be written before the plugin
2009-10-11T14:22:56  <dreimark> your student should know a bit about tdd
2009-10-11T14:24:07  <JosefMeier> dreimark: yes. thanks for this ideas
2009-10-11T14:24:51  * JosefMeier Away for a short lunch
2009-10-11T14:26:18  <EugeneSyr> JosefMeier, bon appétit.
2009-10-11T14:27:04  <JosefMeier> gracias
2009-10-11T14:35:30  <dreimark> EugeneSyr: do you use svg already on web pages?
2009-10-11T14:35:57  <EugeneSyr> dreimark, no, i use dot
2009-10-11T14:36:11  <EugeneSyr> but i think about using svg.
2009-10-11T14:36:40  <EugeneSyr> but i haven't learn it completely yet :(
2009-10-11T14:37:49  <EugeneSyr> *learned
2009-10-11T14:40:25  <dreimark> EugeneSyr: I am workin on adding http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/ as 3rd drawing action
2009-10-11T14:40:52  <EugeneSyr> yes, i've seen
2009-10-11T14:41:34  <EugeneSyr> i think, it's great.
2009-10-11T14:42:09  <EugeneSyr> do you want to implement all inkscape functionality? :)
2009-10-11T14:43:39  <dreimark> I think they will make it quite close to inkscape
2009-10-11T14:44:32  <dreimark> at least it should be possible to exchange files in both directions
2009-10-11T14:45:59  <EugeneSyr> well, i think, with inscape->other svg editor will be some troubles
2009-10-11T14:46:43  <EugeneSyr> i don't know other editor which implements such close subset of svg spec.
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2009-10-11T17:49:26  <franklin> Hi have updated the page about dropping python-xml dependency. (http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/DependencyOnOrphanedPythonXML).
2009-10-11T17:50:34  <franklin> It would be great if you could have a look at the patch no-pythonxml_with_4suite_v1.1.patch ... I can't get it to work with Macro (4suite is driving me crazy, see the error in the page)
2009-10-11T17:52:29  <franklin> I suppose that in the long run, we might prefer to drop 4Suite completly (but it means that we have to review the logic behind text_docbook.py, so it "closes" html/xml tags.
2009-10-11T17:54:38  <franklin> dreimark: svg-edit rocks!
2009-10-11T17:54:58  <dreimark> franklin: :)
2009-10-11T17:55:24  * dreimark is currently busy with other stuff but I am willing to look at the patch later
2009-10-11T17:57:51  <franklin> dreimark: thanks
2009-10-11T18:18:41  <dreimark> franklin: the indenting in line 113 looks strange
2009-10-11T18:19:15  <dreimark> 4 blanks = 1 level (no tabs please)
2009-10-11T18:19:34  <dreimark> 1 tab = 2 levels and a log of problems
2009-10-11T18:19:39  <dreimark> s/log/lot/
2009-10-11T18:22:31  <dreimark> in no-pythonxml_with_4suite_v1.1.patch
2009-10-11T18:23:46  <EugeneSyr> dreimark, what you have against tabs?
2009-10-11T18:24:32  <dreimark> PEP8 violation
2009-10-11T18:24:39  <dreimark> and that gives broken tests
2009-10-11T18:27:07  <EugeneSyr> hm.
2009-10-11T18:28:30  <dreimark> and it is a mess if one uses tabs it the current code because since moin-1.6 it PEP8 validated
2009-10-11T18:28:40  <dreimark> s/it the/in the/
2009-10-11T18:29:18  <EugeneSyr> ok.
2009-10-11T18:29:45  <EugeneSyr> mixing tabs and spaces is already bad idea.
2009-10-11T18:30:31  <dreimark> if one runs py.test after adding some code befor pushing he knows what to fix then
2009-10-11T18:31:36  <dreimark> and it is nice code after some time you wonder that you ever did it different
2009-10-11T18:32:19  <EugeneSyr> well, i use tabs and tabsize=4.
2009-10-11T18:33:23  <dreimark> python.vim would highlight many tabs
2009-10-11T18:33:57  <EugeneSyr> hm, i have different python ftplugin then.
2009-10-11T18:34:19  <dreimark> btw. I did have used tabs in the past for sctable. After one other has contributed to this paser it was mixed by spaced and tabs
2009-10-11T18:34:45  <dreimark> and I have had to redo the patch. That was the point I accepted to use blanks
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2009-10-11T19:01:57  <franklin> sorry, I was afk
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2009-10-11T19:05:32  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: query
2009-10-11T19:14:25  <franklin> I have fixed the typo.
2009-10-11T19:23:23  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:  ok
2009-10-11T20:47:05  <dreimark> franklin: no-pythonxml_with_4suite_v1.1a.patch is mostly about string to unicode replacement + SanitizeXml
2009-10-11T20:48:11  <dreimark> Bug: This patch doesn't work for pages that contains any macro.
2009-10-11T20:48:31  <dreimark> means exactly any ? What is the reason?
2009-10-11T21:02:34  <franklin> dreimark: basically, we "just" want to change the DOM implementation, so it "should" be trivial.
2009-10-11T21:04:31  <franklin> The problem I have with no-pythonxml_with_4suite_v1.1a.patch, it's that text_docbook creates a separate dom tree for the content produced by various macros, then it tries to copy it in he main DOM. The is ...
2009-10-11T21:06:20  <franklin> the problem is that the main dom is created using python's build'in DOM (minidom), and the macros' contents is in a 4suite DOM (known as Ft.Xml.Domlette).
2009-10-11T21:08:32  <franklin> ... 4suite is supposed to be able to merge them (see ConvertDocument in http://4suite.org/docs/CoreManual.xml#converting_DOM)... but it doesn't work.
2009-10-11T21:09:45  <ThomasWaldmann> and it did work with python-xml?
2009-10-11T21:09:50  <franklin> Also, I have tried to not use python's dom at all, by using 4suite's createDocument ... but I didn't succeed either.
2009-10-11T21:10:46  <franklin> 4suite was well integrated with python-xml (it seems so).
2009-10-11T21:13:57  <franklin> Regarding the "macro bug", if you create a test page (with <<Hits>>, or <<Include(HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax)>>, it produces some errors)
2009-10-11T21:21:59  * ThomasWaldmann is rather confused about the python xml stuff :)
2009-10-11T21:22:27  <ThomasWaldmann> franklin: in case we have to live with the old crap for 1.9, for 2.0 we'll bundle emeraldtree
2009-10-11T21:22:37  <ThomasWaldmann> so in 2.0 one could use that
2009-10-11T21:25:35  <JosefMeier> Attachment names aren't cached and there's no getAttachmentDict :-( I have to implement it in AttachFile.py
2009-10-11T21:37:42  * franklin was looking for a solution for Debian/Ubuntu freeze, by the end of the year...
2009-10-11T21:38:12  <franklin> s/was/is/
2009-10-11T21:41:00  <ThomasWaldmann> franklin: 2.0 won't be ready until then :)
2009-10-11T21:42:33  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: can't you just implement that stuff in 2.0?
2009-10-11T21:42:57  <ThomasWaldmann> frickling with Page and AttachFile is so much beating a dead horse
2009-10-11T21:46:04  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: I see that just like you. But: If I implement it only for my companies purposes, I'm the only poor guy who can manage it.
2009-10-11T21:46:08  <JosefMeier> maintain it
2009-10-11T21:49:00  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: My colleagues are working with Moin 1.8.4 since approx. four weeks. The wiki idea is getting accepted more and more in our teams. Therefore I take feature requests from my colleagues very serious. I want to install wikis as a common tool for project teams. And 2.0 is definitely to far away as we could wait for it.
2009-10-11T21:50:01  <ThomasWaldmann> well, doing quick hacks is exactly the reason why you have to work with AttachFile now (because that was also a quick hack :)
2009-10-11T21:50:11  <JosefMeier> If broken link management is to difficult to implement in a clean way (cached items), I will do it without caches and look for each file in the attachments of a page. This is slow, but will work until we get sometimes 2.0.
2009-10-11T21:50:57  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: :-(
2009-10-11T21:51:46  <ThomasWaldmann> do you see AttachFile as it is NOT as a quick hack?
2009-10-11T21:51:56  <JosefMeier> It looks ... rather complicated
2009-10-11T21:52:19  <ThomasWaldmann> it has grown over many years, but it didn't get much better
2009-10-11T21:52:59  <JosefMeier> If some of my Moin hacks aren't ready for being packaged into official  releases, than I try to write at least specs and feature requests for it. This ensures, that at least the ideas can be discussed and aren't lost for future releases.
2009-10-11T21:53:49  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2009-10-11T21:56:24  <dreimark> re
2009-10-11T21:59:56  <dreimark> franklin: on an earlier state I have read on your page that the problem is caused by just text returned from the macros which is not enclosed in a <p> tag. Is this still the problem?
2009-10-11T22:05:09  <franklin> dreimark: I solved that with the SanitizeXml function, which adds some dummy <span>
2009-10-11T22:06:43  <dreimark> ok, do you have a list which other macros do fail now
2009-10-11T22:08:38  <franklin> I tested only two, but my assumption is that 100% are failing
2009-10-11T22:08:59  <dreimark> franklin: I am not sure if I understand it right. you don't have failing macros because of SanitizeXml. Or are there still som failing
2009-10-11T22:09:25  <dreimark> I mean if you sanitize Hits works?
2009-10-11T22:09:59  * franklin is confused
2009-10-11T22:10:15  * dreimark too tries to ask different
2009-10-11T22:10:30  <franklin> I tried many options, many DOM... and I have a doubt about
2009-10-11T22:11:28  <dreimark> if you use SanitizeXml with Hits output does it solve it?
2009-10-11T22:12:33  <franklin> dreimark: It doesn't solve the DOM compatbility problem.
2009-10-11T22:12:54  <franklin>  have just tested a page with "<<Hits>>
2009-10-11T22:13:30  <franklin> I have just tested a page with "<<Hits>>"...  I do get the error "TypeError: isSameNode() argument 1 must be Ft.Xml.cDomlette.Node, not instance"
2009-10-11T22:15:26  <franklin> If I disable Sanitize, I get another error: "ReaderException: In urn:uuid:65e10bc3-0a2d-4d7b-9bf0-8fd885aa1e41, line 1, column 0: syntax error"... because the  returned string a plain string, not a valid xml thing.
2009-10-11T22:16:38  <dreimark> arg
2009-10-11T22:18:06  <franklin> Interesting, the macro "InterWiki" is working  :-/
2009-10-11T22:21:30  <dreimark> I think to come closer to a solution we need a table about macros working or not
2009-10-11T22:25:06  <franklin> there is such a table, see blacklisted_macros=('TableOfContents'...)
2009-10-11T22:30:58  <franklin> Actually, it seems that quite a few macro are working, especually  MailTo, Anchor and FootNote. The main blockers are Date, DateTime and Include
2009-10-11T22:38:39  <ThomasWaldmann> franklin: btw, thanks a lot for looking at that xml stuff.
2009-10-11T22:43:37  <franklin> I hope I can find more time to work on it later
2009-10-11T23:13:25  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: The german translation for "wanted" is wrong on the page "WantedPages". The translation there is "Gewünscht" instead of "gesucht".
2009-10-11T23:20:18  <ThomasWaldmann> well, that is both pretty unusal german :)
2009-10-11T23:29:38  <JosefMeier> That's why I never understood the meaning of this page :-)
2009-10-11T23:29:53  <JosefMeier> Sounds like a wishlist
2009-10-11T23:30:18  <JosefMeier> The missing attachment macro is almost ready btw.
2009-10-11T23:31:05  <JosefMeier> Needs not sooo much changes in pages.py and attachfile.py, formatter/__init__ and the new formatter attachmentlinks.py
2009-10-11T23:33:10  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: "missing" would indeed be better
2009-10-11T23:33:56  <ThomasWaldmann> well, in english "wanted" is expressing rather good that those pages are wished, someone should do them
2009-10-11T23:34:09  <ThomasWaldmann> no idea how to translate that best to german, though
2009-10-11T23:35:07  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: vermisst
2009-10-11T23:35:39  <ThomasWaldmann> that would mean they were there in the past and got lost?
2009-10-11T23:39:19  <JosefMeier> begehrt ?
2009-10-11T23:39:27  <JosefMeier> ach egal :-D
2009-10-11T23:49:24  * TheSheep rewrites an imap-based auth plugin for moin for the 4th time
2009-10-11T23:49:37  <TheSheep> why do we need to change the auth plugin api every release?
2009-10-11T23:50:25  * TheSheep copy-pastes the bilerplate code
2009-10-11T23:54:26  <ThomasWaldmann> likely because of openid :)
2009-10-11T23:56:18  <TheSheep> why is there no 'auth successful, don't try other methods' response?
2009-10-11T23:58:48  <ThomasWaldmann> because some auth methods want to get called even if you authed already