1 2010-07-27T00:00:35 *** RogerHaase
2 2010-07-27T00:24:36 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ok, here is the last patch http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242013/ for the smiley, with ignored tags, and no known bugs ^^
3 2010-07-27T00:25:04 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: it works with flask also, if you are fine with this, you can merge back to the main repos
4 2010-07-27T00:25:14 <valeuf> (NB : I move the smiley into
5 2010-07-27T00:25:19 <valeuf> a smileys subdirectory)
6 2010-07-27T00:29:41 <ThomasWaldmann> line 26 TODO:
7 2010-07-27T00:29:56 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I think I am wrong with all the TODO
8 2010-07-27T00:30:11 <ThomasWaldmann> and what does that mean "grab change..."?
9 2010-07-27T00:30:36 <valeuf> grab = retrieve, fetch
10 2010-07-27T00:30:40 <ThomasWaldmann> typo in 29
11 2010-07-27T00:30:51 <ThomasWaldmann> what change?
12 2010-07-27T00:30:53 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: got it
13 2010-07-27T00:31:19 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: my idea was to detect if the smiley list was different in the theme, but I agree it is not really clear
14 2010-07-27T00:32:59 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, it looks like raw strings are not as raw as i expected
15 2010-07-27T00:33:14 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/647769/why-cant-pythons-raw-string-literals-end-with-a-single-backslash
16 2010-07-27T00:33:28 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I get stuck with that for a long time ...
17 2010-07-27T00:35:31 <ThomasWaldmann> the dom has just code/blockcode? nothing called pre or so?
18 2010-07-27T00:36:42 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe use smileys.keys() instead of config.smileys
19 2010-07-27T00:36:58 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, icons.keys()
20 2010-07-27T00:38:53 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yep, actually, I was looking if we won't have to handle icon, but I think it was never used in the content of the page
21 2010-07-27T00:40:01 <ThomasWaldmann> 117 -> .strip()?
22 2010-07-27T00:40:47 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: as you can see on this page : http://moinmo.in/ValentinJaniaut/GSoC/TreeOutputModification there is no pre element in the DOM tree
23 2010-07-27T00:41:34 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yes strip is better
24 2010-07-27T00:43:04 <ThomasWaldmann> are you doing this in your local repo workdir?
25 2010-07-27T00:43:28 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: no I worked in a copy of my local repo
26 2010-07-27T00:43:41 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I did not want to mess up my working directory
27 2010-07-27T00:43:58 <ThomasWaldmann> (btw, for the smileys use hg mv from to)
28 2010-07-27T00:44:36 <ThomasWaldmann> just a diff won't be enough for that, so either do a binary changeset export
29 2010-07-27T00:44:55 <ThomasWaldmann> or just commit it to your repo and i merge it back to main
30 2010-07-27T00:45:00 <dreimark> our bot seems to sleep
31 2010-07-27T00:45:20 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: what do you prefer? Commit to my repos or the binary changeset?
32 2010-07-27T00:46:05 * dreimark changeset 9100:a6d13ae569b6 userprefs: template for prefs
33 2010-07-27T00:46:20 <ThomasWaldmann> commit to your repo would be easier
34 2010-07-27T00:46:49 <CIA-51> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 9100:a6d13ae569b6 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (userprefs/prefs.py templates/userprefs.html): userprefs: template for prefs
35 2010-07-27T00:47:08 <dreimark> hmm - delay 2 mins
36 2010-07-27T00:47:33 * ThomasWaldmann works on copy/delete/rename/... actions
37 2010-07-27T00:56:21 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: where is wsgiapp? py.test complain I do not have it after my last merge with the main repo
38 2010-07-27T00:57:15 <valeuf> nevermind, something was wrong in my configuration, it's fixed now
39 2010-07-27T00:59:01 <ThomasWaldmann> wsgiapp is gone
40 2010-07-27T00:59:17 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yep, but there is still some reference
41 2010-07-27T00:59:32 <ThomasWaldmann> it is MoinMoin.app now (in __init__)
42 2010-07-27T00:59:38 <ThomasWaldmann> have to check
43 2010-07-27T01:00:16 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: there is still the test_wsgiapp.py file
44 2010-07-27T01:00:58 <ThomasWaldmann> will clean up :)
45 2010-07-27T01:01:40 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: except that it works really fine ^ ^
46 2010-07-27T01:04:40 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ok I pushed my merge with the main moin2.0 repos and my commit for the smiley in my repo
47 2010-07-27T01:05:30 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9108:ebcbf6349ba6 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/ (1102 files in 212 dirs): Merge against the main moin2.0 repos
48 2010-07-27T01:05:33 <valeuf> I going to bed now, good luck with copy/delete/rename actions ^ ^
49 2010-07-27T01:06:04 <ThomasWaldmann> gn :)
50 2010-07-27T01:08:15 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9109:e745aba7f31a 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/ (53 files in 5 dirs): Add support for the smiley conversion
51 2010-07-27T01:08:18 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9111:6f80eb6c21d9 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/ (28 files in 4 dirs): Merge with my clone repos for the smiley
52 2010-07-27T01:08:20 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9112:3d830255465e 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/ (userprefs/prefs.py templates/userprefs.html): Merge with the main moin2.0 repos
53 2010-07-27T01:21:32 <dreimark> gn
54 2010-07-27T01:40:07 *** valeuf
55 2010-07-27T01:40:31 *** valeuf
56 2010-07-27T01:55:18 *** valeuf
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58 2010-07-27T02:02:07 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9101:5a6b70648e50 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (12 files in 5 dirs): refactored copy/delete/destroy/rename/revert (TODO: fix POST problem)
59 2010-07-27T02:02:09 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9102:cebbd9b7add3 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (userprefs/prefs.py templates/userprefs.html): merged main
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139 2010-07-27T08:28:59 *** ebo^
140 2010-07-27T09:40:52 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
141 2010-07-27T09:45:28 <ebo^> moin :-)
142 2010-07-27T09:48:23 <ThomasWaldmann> ebo^: hi. if you're doing moin development or want to help with it, just ask.
143 2010-07-27T09:48:45 <ebo^> I'm Jörg ... from EP
144 2010-07-27T09:49:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ah :) wb!
145 2010-07-27T09:53:28 <valeuf> moin
146 2010-07-27T09:56:16 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i am a little bit stuck with the rename/delete/copy stuff, it does the GET ok, but if you submit (POST), it somehow crashes with 500 - but no debugger, no traceback.
147 2010-07-27T09:57:25 <ThomasWaldmann> (it's in the actions menu and the views are in MoinMoin/apps/frontend/views.py
148 2010-07-27T09:57:26 <ThomasWaldmann> )
149 2010-07-27T10:01:36 *** grzywacz
150 2010-07-27T11:03:29 *** grzywacz
151 2010-07-27T12:26:06 <dreimark> moin
152 2010-07-27T12:28:05 <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark
153 2010-07-27T12:29:38 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do you see http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242153/ too?
154 2010-07-27T12:31:04 <dreimark> had seen this yesterday on the notebook too
155 2010-07-27T12:31:59 <dreimark> + now in the url :)
156 2010-07-27T12:32:45 <dreimark> rename of WikiSandBox doesn't show a 500 but takes ages
157 2010-07-27T12:32:52 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, i did multiple renames, but I didn't see that (and I didn't think I did something evil :)
158 2010-07-27T12:32:59 <valeuf> dreimark: I saw this too
159 2010-07-27T12:33:14 <ThomasWaldmann> the error shows after cancelling the request and doing the next
160 2010-07-27T12:34:03 <ThomasWaldmann> global_history is used for "Recent Changes" style global history
161 2010-07-27T12:34:30 <ThomasWaldmann> history is used for per-item local history (like info->history in 1.9)
162 2010-07-27T12:35:43 <dreimark> strange "handlers need to give it" right of logo
163 2010-07-27T12:36:01 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9113:8c402d6f10df 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/ (1130 files in 216 dirs): Merge against moin2.0/dev repos
164 2010-07-27T12:36:19 <ThomasWaldmann> that's when item_name is not being set by the handler, needs more cleanup for the actions
165 2010-07-27T12:36:42 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9116:306cf2778a14 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/converter2/docbook_out.py: Add warning message for unsupported and unknown tag for DocBook_out converter
166 2010-07-27T12:36:42 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9115:9362b2cab658 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/converter2/ (_tests/test_docbook_out.py docbook_out.py): Add support for <code> element for the DocBook_out converter
167 2010-07-27T12:36:42 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9114:3f08c31b1bb5 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/MoinMoin/converter2/docbook_out.py: Pylinting docbook_out code
168 2010-07-27T12:36:42 <CIA-51> Valentin Janiaut <valentin.janiaut@utbm.fr> default * 9117:c65a8bbc5108 2.0-dev-docbook-html-vjaniaut/: Merge againsh dev/moin2.0 repos
169 2010-07-27T12:36:43 *** aa_
170 2010-07-27T12:36:43 *** aa_
171 2010-07-27T12:37:06 <ThomasWaldmann> if a handler operates on an item, there should be just the item name
172 2010-07-27T12:37:14 * dreimark can't rename but don't see a 500 too.
173 2010-07-27T12:37:26 <dreimark> browser stop
174 2010-07-27T12:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> if it is a global handler, there should be something else (no idea yet)
175 2010-07-27T12:37:40 <dreimark> selecting FindPage wants to rename Findpage then
176 2010-07-27T12:37:52 <dreimark> cancel also takes much time
177 2010-07-27T12:38:45 <dreimark> browser stop
178 2010-07-27T12:38:50 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, any comments about Index, Supplementation Items List?
179 2010-07-27T12:39:17 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I think a little bit more to the get and conversion problem
180 2010-07-27T12:39:36 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I think we should still use get action, since it is the action te "get" an item
181 2010-07-27T12:40:02 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: however, if there is a different mimetype than the mimetype of the item given in the parameter of the request
182 2010-07-27T12:40:11 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: we should delegate the conversion, and the action to the convert action
183 2010-07-27T12:41:46 <dreimark> index is showing the hierachy but only at one level
184 2010-07-27T12:42:02 <dreimark> http://localhost:8080/NewPage/examples/nextlevel
185 2010-07-27T12:42:05 <ThomasWaldmann> that is intended
186 2010-07-27T12:42:22 <ThomasWaldmann> (and on purpose) it is using flat_index() internally
187 2010-07-27T12:43:29 <dreimark> hmm it is confusing, http://localhost:8080/%2Bindex/NewPage/examples itselfs is a subitem and has also a subitem
188 2010-07-27T12:45:13 <dreimark> it is similiar to children of Navigation, so siblings would be missing
189 2010-07-27T12:45:34 <dreimark> also i think something which shows the complete tree would be better
190 2010-07-27T12:46:14 <dreimark> the current question is what all is a subitem of the item
191 2010-07-27T12:46:15 <ThomasWaldmann> i wanted to have something usable in the same way on all levels
192 2010-07-27T12:46:50 <ThomasWaldmann> and displaying all subitems of imaginary root item would display whole wiki contents, including all "attached files" etc.
193 2010-07-27T12:47:15 <dreimark> a tree information will also show it on every starting point
194 2010-07-27T12:47:45 <dreimark> yes we can use some filters as a filemanager did, small, details e.g.
195 2010-07-27T12:47:48 <ThomasWaldmann> if we have some advanced tree UI element, we could maybe show expandable tree
196 2010-07-27T12:47:58 <dreimark> yes
197 2010-07-27T12:52:01 <dreimark> discussion :)
198 2010-07-27T12:52:52 <dreimark> hmm, may be the root http://localhost:8080/Discussion should become special cased
199 2010-07-27T12:52:55 <dreimark> not sure
200 2010-07-27T12:54:05 <dreimark> we also should think about items which can only be used as the last item
201 2010-07-27T12:54:46 <dreimark> e.g. which ommits to do http://localhost:8080/FrontPage/Discussion/dfdf/Discussion
202 2010-07-27T12:55:28 <dreimark> s/ommits/prohibit/
203 2010-07-27T12:56:52 <dreimark> e.g. it may be useful to have a subitem which until it exists makes it impossible to add further subitems below e.g. Discussion
204 2010-07-27T12:57:04 <dreimark> s/unitl/as long as/
205 2010-07-27T12:58:02 <dreimark> bbl
206 2010-07-27T13:14:13 <valeuf> There is one dependency to PIL which was not written in the dependency file
207 2010-07-27T13:14:39 <valeuf> PIL is usually not so easy to install, and not really multiplateform, it is only use for some basic operation for imagess items
208 2010-07-27T13:15:06 <valeuf> maybe we should see to make this dependency optional?
209 2010-07-27T13:15:24 <valeuf> it is already done, but I mean, we should write these information for the package
210 2010-07-27T14:05:28 *** AaronZhang
211 2010-07-27T14:05:40 *** AaronZhang
212 2010-07-27T14:12:57 <valeuf> that's cool with flask you do not have to restart wikiserver at each change, it is automatically detected correctly ^ ^
213 2010-07-27T14:57:12 *** RogerHaase
214 2010-07-27T15:12:03 *** valeuf
215 2010-07-27T15:12:10 *** valeuf
216 2010-07-27T15:13:59 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: PIL is optional (at least it should be)
217 2010-07-27T15:28:22 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9103:36f1cbe38681 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (apps/frontend/views.py auth/__init__.py): dummy stubs for register/recoverpass
218 2010-07-27T15:32:07 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9104:834f9abe2af5 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (templates/layout.html theme/__init__.py): use url_for for login/logout
219 2010-07-27T16:13:57 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9105:f85b670340ca 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
220 2010-07-27T16:13:57 <CIA-51> use url_for('endpoint', ...) instead of href(), add some missing endpoints
221 2010-07-27T16:13:57 <CIA-51> implement frontend.highlight
222 2010-07-27T16:13:57 <CIA-51> add app for misc. kinds of feeds, currently only a stub for feed.atom
223 2010-07-27T16:18:11 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: SOC is waiting for you :)
224 2010-07-27T16:28:52 <valeuf> Review pleas : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242204/
225 2010-07-27T16:29:02 <valeuf> I am not sure the way I used to call child method is really clean and nice
226 2010-07-27T16:29:10 <valeuf> *please:
227 2010-07-27T16:29:56 <valeuf> the idea is to get a convert action, with a method which does the general conversion for the text items, then each items get a specific method to finalize correctly the conversion (like adding mimetype and so ...)
228 2010-07-27T16:35:05 <dreimark> don't use i
229 2010-07-27T16:35:09 <dreimark> see pylint
230 2010-07-27T16:36:34 <dreimark> if method is not None: ?? if method ?
231 2010-07-27T16:37:14 <dreimark> from emeraldtree.tree import *?? is a * really needed
232 2010-07-27T16:38:06 <dreimark> "After creation of the StringIO, the pointer is at the and"
233 2010-07-27T16:38:28 <dreimark> s/and/end/ ? but not sure which pointer ?
234 2010-07-27T16:39:26 <diofeher> moin!
235 2010-07-27T16:39:30 <diofeher> using flask now? awesome :D
236 2010-07-27T16:39:46 <diofeher> i'm reading diff here
237 2010-07-27T16:43:24 <ThomasWaldmann> your todo page just got an update with todo for this week
238 2010-07-27T16:45:05 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you need to work a bit more concentrated now as you missed a full week and you are behind schedule
239 2010-07-27T16:45:35 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann: i know... ^^
240 2010-07-27T16:45:41 <diofeher> full full time this week
241 2010-07-27T16:46:25 <dreimark> ei-grad: where are your changesets or diary entries ?
242 2010-07-27T16:46:50 <ThomasWaldmann> don't underestimate the static stuff btw. cleaning up / rewriting all the css in a good way will need some time, also the images and js stuff
243 2010-07-27T16:47:46 <dreimark> ei-grad: last commit Wed Jul 07
244 2010-07-27T16:47:51 <dreimark> 20 days ago
245 2010-07-27T16:47:56 <dreimark> what are you doing?
246 2010-07-27T16:48:38 <ThomasWaldmann> -> email
247 2010-07-27T16:49:03 <diofeher> uh, front page broken
248 2010-07-27T16:50:44 <diofeher> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242210/
249 2010-07-27T16:51:49 <ThomasWaldmann> oops
250 2010-07-27T16:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> works for me
251 2010-07-27T16:53:38 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: is you repo current?
252 2010-07-27T16:53:58 <diofeher> yea, updated from my repo and from main
253 2010-07-27T16:54:09 <ThomasWaldmann> hg heads shows?
254 2010-07-27T16:54:58 <diofeher> hg heads
255 2010-07-27T16:54:58 <diofeher> changeset: 9105:f85b670340ca
256 2010-07-27T16:54:58 <diofeher> tag: tip
257 2010-07-27T16:54:58 <diofeher> user: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de>
258 2010-07-27T16:54:58 <diofeher> date: Tue Jul 27 16:13:50 2010 +0200
259 2010-07-27T16:55:12 <ThomasWaldmann> do you have uncommitted changes in your workdir?
260 2010-07-27T16:55:36 <ThomasWaldmann> if not, try hg up -C
261 2010-07-27T16:56:07 <diofeher> 69 changesets found
262 2010-07-27T16:56:27 <diofeher> when pulled from main repo, i've updated, not merged
263 2010-07-27T16:56:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ah wait, i see the problem
264 2010-07-27T16:57:31 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9106:4354ea8fa6b7 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/templates/editbar.html: fix quicklink and subscribe endpoints
265 2010-07-27T16:57:47 <ThomasWaldmann> try with that ^^
266 2010-07-27T16:58:11 <ThomasWaldmann> as creating a new user currently does not work, it is a bit hard to test in a fresh wiki X)
267 2010-07-27T16:58:41 <diofeher> xD
268 2010-07-27T16:58:45 <diofeher> now it's working
269 2010-07-27T16:59:33 <diofeher> well, i'm going to push this to my repository, get ready for flood in channel :)
270 2010-07-27T16:59:58 <ThomasWaldmann> there is a dupe filter, so it shouldn't reannounce changesets
271 2010-07-27T17:04:46 <diofeher> nice ^^
272 2010-07-27T17:10:39 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9107:154bc9e1967a 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: theme.render temp fix, add TODO to get rid of theme.render and theme.send_title
273 2010-07-27T17:12:02 <valeuf> dreimark: thanks, I fixed the issues you pointed out
274 2010-07-27T17:12:33 <valeuf> dreimark: by pointer, I was meaning the position in the file, I rewrote these comments for something more clear
275 2010-07-27T17:12:46 <valeuf> last version of the commit
276 2010-07-27T17:12:50 <valeuf> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242219/
277 2010-07-27T17:13:17 <valeuf> any thoughts about the way I used to access to the method of the child class?
278 2010-07-27T17:19:30 <ThomasWaldmann> is it intended that you give the wanted mimetype to create()?
279 2010-07-27T17:20:13 <ThomasWaldmann> the target mimetype of the conversion I mean
280 2010-07-27T17:20:28 <valeuf> to create?
281 2010-07-27T17:20:29 <valeuf> where
282 2010-07-27T17:20:36 <ThomasWaldmann> item = Item.create(g.context, item_name, mimetype=mimetype, rev_no=-1)
283 2010-07-27T17:20:51 <ThomasWaldmann> (in views.py:65)
284 2010-07-27T17:21:27 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, that do_* stuff is already gone
285 2010-07-27T17:22:03 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: hum, actually, it was some try to see if I could have a better way to call a finalize_conversion specific to the wanted mimetype object
286 2010-07-27T17:22:05 <ThomasWaldmann> (not completely yet, but half of it at least)
287 2010-07-27T17:22:17 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: well, what should I use so?
288 2010-07-27T17:22:26 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: just a function convert?
289 2010-07-27T17:22:31 *** ebo^
290 2010-07-27T17:22:44 <ThomasWaldmann> do_xxx was the user interface, that is in views.py now
291 2010-07-27T17:22:57 <ThomasWaldmann> xxx is the method that really does something
292 2010-07-27T17:23:03 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ok, I see
293 2010-07-27T17:23:14 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I will try a new way so, I suddenly got another idea
294 2010-07-27T17:26:21 <ThomasWaldmann> in to_conv you don't use to_mimetype
295 2010-07-27T17:26:51 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ah yes, I was doing test, I forget to revert, thanks
296 2010-07-27T17:28:18 <ThomasWaldmann> also that code is somehow generic, but somehow not
297 2010-07-27T17:28:26 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe try to make it generic :)
298 2010-07-27T17:28:39 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yep, I got a new idea for that
299 2010-07-27T17:29:07 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: btw, it was more complicate than I expected
300 2010-07-27T17:30:27 * ThomasWaldmann tries to fix newaccount/register
301 2010-07-27T17:35:15 <valeuf> btw, thanks for your help dreimark and ThomasWaldmann ^^
302 2010-07-27T17:40:28 <ThomasWaldmann> thanks for your help :)
303 2010-07-27T18:15:20 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9108:f820066c6160 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): implemented frontend.register endpoint (was: newaccount action)
304 2010-07-27T18:16:38 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: you're working on what currently?
305 2010-07-27T18:30:36 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann: reading through the diff
306 2010-07-27T18:31:10 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann: well, i was lunching but gonna start to review theme code
307 2010-07-27T18:31:57 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9109:1f56622ea90b 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/apps/frontend/views.py: views: some cleanup
308 2010-07-27T18:43:53 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9108:860d2d272c4a 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: [templating] replaced calls from storage.has_item() to item_exists()
309 2010-07-27T18:45:01 *** grzywacz
310 2010-07-27T18:46:55 <CIA-51> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9110:eba8257bc8f2 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 3 dirs): templates: cleanup, add some headlines
311 2010-07-27T18:50:38 <diofeher> *if Flask isn't installed in pythonpath, py.test doesn't works'
312 2010-07-27T18:53:10 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9109:35b732a64c7d 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [templating] get rid of ThemeBase.render()
313 2010-07-27T18:55:28 <diofeher> i think we can move userprefs stuff to one separate app in apps
314 2010-07-27T19:06:39 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9110:c29010579bb1 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/ (templates/layout.html theme/__init__.py): [templating] added docstrings to ThemeBase functions and removed unused variables
315 2010-07-27T19:08:02 <diofeher> what # XXX comments mean?
316 2010-07-27T19:13:32 <ThomasWaldmann> something that should be noted
317 2010-07-27T19:13:47 <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe get fixed later
318 2010-07-27T19:15:24 <diofeher> ah ok
319 2010-07-27T19:15:28 <ThomasWaldmann> 1.10 - # TODO: get rid of all calls to this, call render_template of flask directly
320 2010-07-27T19:15:35 <ThomasWaldmann> 1.12 + raise DeprecationWarning("Using send_title is deprecated! Use return_template of flask directly.")
321 2010-07-27T19:15:50 <ThomasWaldmann> you still don't read your diffs?
322 2010-07-27T19:16:32 <diofeher> i read. i thought this would make sense
323 2010-07-27T19:16:45 <ThomasWaldmann> return_template?
324 2010-07-27T19:17:10 <diofeher> yea, now i see i've misleaded ^^
325 2010-07-27T19:18:25 <diofeher> gonna fi
326 2010-07-27T19:18:28 <diofeher> fix*
327 2010-07-27T19:18:50 <ThomasWaldmann> 2.39 + url = item_name #no need to use href, item_name is already an url
328 2010-07-27T19:18:53 <ThomasWaldmann> wtf?
329 2010-07-27T19:19:39 <diofeher> if wikiutil.is_URL(item_name):
330 2010-07-27T19:21:33 <ThomasWaldmann> if you notice that the names are wrong, how about fixing the names instead of adding comments?
331 2010-07-27T19:22:38 <ThomasWaldmann> (the wrong names are likely not your fault, but still ...)
332 2010-07-27T19:27:44 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, login works now, but sessions not
333 2010-07-27T19:28:05 <diofeher> hm, understand what you've said about names
334 2010-07-27T19:28:20 <diofeher> but 'no need of use href' refers to request.href not to variable name
335 2010-07-27T19:28:21 <diofeher> ^^
336 2010-07-27T19:28:25 * ThomasWaldmann thinks about maybe killing our session managment and just using the clientside sessions of flask
337 2010-07-27T19:28:27 <diofeher> anyway, going to fix this
338 2010-07-27T19:28:51 <ThomasWaldmann> "item_name is already an url"
339 2010-07-27T19:29:05 <ThomasWaldmann> that means that the name is too specific
340 2010-07-27T19:29:30 <ThomasWaldmann> if it could be an url or an item_name or some other target spec, maybe it should be just named "target"?
341 2010-07-27T19:30:34 <diofeher> hmm good idea
342 2010-07-27T19:30:38 <ThomasWaldmann> the only problem I see right now is that clientside sessions might blow up when getting bigger than 4K for spec compliant browsers
343 2010-07-27T19:31:00 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: clientside sessions are neat!
344 2010-07-27T19:31:12 <ThomasWaldmann> also, sizeof(cookie) travels over the line all the time
345 2010-07-27T19:31:21 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: especially since moin doesn't even really need much of that crypto security
346 2010-07-27T19:31:44 <ThomasWaldmann> why?
347 2010-07-27T19:32:18 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: because most of what you keep in the session are just use prefs which he can modify at will anyways
348 2010-07-27T19:32:22 <ThomasWaldmann> (flask / werkzeug sessions are crypto signed, so they should be tamper-safe)
349 2010-07-27T19:32:49 <ThomasWaldmann> well, most, but not the user id :)
350 2010-07-27T19:34:09 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we'ld save some disk accesses on the server and exchange that for some more traffic going over the wire
351 2010-07-27T19:34:23 <TheSheep> depends on what's cheaper
352 2010-07-27T19:34:39 <TheSheep> javascript localstorage would be perfect
353 2010-07-27T19:34:53 <ThomasWaldmann> and if someone has an insane long trail, it might blow up
354 2010-07-27T19:35:04 <TheSheep> you just send some js on the page when you want to change something
355 2010-07-27T19:35:24 <TheSheep> and send js on pages in places that need to differ depending on preferences
356 2010-07-27T19:35:39 <TheSheep> it caches perfectly and doesn't take up cookie space
357 2010-07-27T19:36:06 <TheSheep> js-based trial may even just use browser's history directly
358 2010-07-27T19:36:54 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: oi, you can't use those cookie sessions, bookmarks would not travel from computer to computer
359 2010-07-27T19:37:22 <ThomasWaldmann> bookmarks?
360 2010-07-27T19:37:49 <ThomasWaldmann> they're stored in user profile iirc
361 2010-07-27T19:38:18 <TheSheep> ah
362 2010-07-27T19:38:19 <ThomasWaldmann> (if you mean quicklinks)
363 2010-07-27T19:38:25 <TheSheep> so it's kinda like session
364 2010-07-27T19:39:36 * ThomasWaldmann is tempted to get rid of lots of complicated session code :)
365 2010-07-27T19:40:14 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: xorAxAx: any comments?
366 2010-07-27T19:40:40 <TheSheep> what goes into the session exactly now?
367 2010-07-27T19:41:13 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc, userid, suid, trail
368 2010-07-27T19:42:50 <TheSheep> secure cookies would make sense for everything except for the trail
369 2010-07-27T19:44:41 <ThomasWaldmann> botbouncer stuff also
370 2010-07-27T19:45:56 <ThomasWaldmann> openid stuff
371 2010-07-27T19:46:58 <TheSheep> botbouncer?
372 2010-07-27T19:47:11 <TheSheep> ou expect bots to keep cookies? :D
373 2010-07-27T19:47:13 <TheSheep> you
374 2010-07-27T19:47:32 <ThomasWaldmann> i have no clue about that openid stuff, not from me
375 2010-07-27T19:48:44 <ThomasWaldmann> but assuming session store behaves similarly, no matter whether it is clientside or serverside, maybe we can just change it
376 2010-07-27T19:51:20 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
377 2010-07-27T20:12:11 <ThomasWaldmann> re
378 2010-07-27T20:20:32 <ThomasWaldmann> biggest session file on moinmo.in is 400bytes
379 2010-07-27T20:46:12 <dreimark> diofeher: userprefs should be splitted in nice sections
380 2010-07-27T20:48:01 <dreimark> we need crypto it should not be easy to guess a cookie
381 2010-07-27T21:10:38 <valeuf> is there anyway to disactivate the cache during debugging with flask?
382 2010-07-27T21:13:33 <dreimark> aa_: ^
383 2010-07-27T21:15:49 <valeuf> it seems also that logging.debug does not work with the default configuration
384 2010-07-27T21:27:42 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9111:be8654ffcdab 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/ (templates/editbar.html theme/__init__.py): [templating] shouldShowEditbar is not necessary anymore. if a template doesn't need editbar, extends content block from layout.html else extends content block from show.html
385 2010-07-27T21:27:42 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9112:00f31d509b3d 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: [templating] refactored split_navilink
386 2010-07-27T21:27:44 <CIA-51> Diogenes Augusto Fernandes Herminio <diofeher@gmail.com> default * 9113:63c7edec7483 2.0-dev-jinja2-plugins-dfeher/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: [templating] fixed some docs in ThemeBase
387 2010-07-27T21:28:38 <valeuf> hum the cache seems to come from jinja in fact
388 2010-07-27T21:28:51 <valeuf> I delete all the file in wiki/data/cache/jinja to solve my problem
389 2010-07-27T21:29:21 <valeuf> diofeher: any idea about it ↑
390 2010-07-27T21:32:18 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't know how it works for flask, but when creating a jinja env, one can configure the cache
391 2010-07-27T21:33:50 <diofeher> valeuf: don't know...
392 2010-07-27T22:06:13 <valeuf> ok better implementation for the convert action : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242386/
393 2010-07-27T22:06:49 <valeuf> the idea is to create an item with the wanted mimetype, but at the creation of the item, we save the former mimetype
394 2010-07-27T22:07:12 <valeuf> then we can call the _convert action corresponding to the given mimetype, and use parent _convert method if needed
395 2010-07-27T22:08:48 <ThomasWaldmann> how is that way better than the other?
396 2010-07-27T22:09:10 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: there is no need of of long switch
397 2010-07-27T22:09:27 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: we can use generic code for conversion in mother class, and so avoid redundant code
398 2010-07-27T22:09:45 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: and it can be re-used if we want to save the item with the new mimetype
399 2010-07-27T22:10:02 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: isn't that problem somehow symetric?
400 2010-07-27T22:10:19 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean?
401 2010-07-27T22:10:33 <ThomasWaldmann> either your need to do something different for the input format or for the output format
402 2010-07-27T22:11:03 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: for the input format it is always same I think, you need to convert it to the DOM tree
403 2010-07-27T22:11:24 <valeuf> (I do not think we should support conversion for Binary item)
404 2010-07-27T22:11:41 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, and for the output format you always convert dom to the output format :D
405 2010-07-27T22:12:12 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yes, but you have to had few things usually, like a doctype, fixing namespace if need and so
406 2010-07-27T22:13:44 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, MIMETYPE is mandatory
407 2010-07-27T22:13:54 <dreimark> why is line 111 removed?
408 2010-07-27T22:14:17 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: well, if the specified mimetype is the same than the item, there is no problem
409 2010-07-27T22:14:17 <ThomasWaldmann> see 114
410 2010-07-27T22:14:19 <dreimark> ok, it is shifted
411 2010-07-27T22:14:42 <valeuf> I have a little issue with this part
412 2010-07-27T22:14:47 <valeuf> *litle
413 2010-07-27T22:16:49 <ThomasWaldmann> there's still hardcoded stuff in there
414 2010-07-27T22:17:11 <dreimark> item_mimetype in (mimetype, 'application/x-unknown')
415 2010-07-27T22:17:11 <dreimark> instead of the ors
416 2010-07-27T22:17:22 <valeuf> dreimark: ok
417 2010-07-27T22:17:27 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need x-unknown
418 2010-07-27T22:17:30 <dreimark> the precious mimetype can it differ from the meta data of the previous revision?
419 2010-07-27T22:17:34 <ThomasWaldmann> MIMETYPE is always there
420 2010-07-27T22:17:49 <ThomasWaldmann> without it, moin can't work anyway
421 2010-07-27T22:18:05 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: sometimes we get None :p and it works
422 2010-07-27T22:19:03 <valeuf> but there is two different things, the MIMETYPE of the item, and the mimetype given as an argument of the create method
423 2010-07-27T22:19:17 <ThomasWaldmann> sure
424 2010-07-27T22:19:42 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow it feels backwards not to create the item with the mimetype we have in original data
425 2010-07-27T22:19:44 <valeuf> but I agree we can get rid of this or 'application/x-unknown'
426 2010-07-27T22:19:52 <dreimark> line 610 whitespace :
427 2010-07-27T22:19:52 <dreimark> valeuf: may be it is a good idea to write a test for this
428 2010-07-27T22:19:52 <dreimark> or add a method to test_sourcecode
429 2010-07-27T22:20:10 <ThomasWaldmann> tests are fscked currently anyways
430 2010-07-27T22:20:28 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: my idea was to consider that the item we creat is the resulting item
431 2010-07-27T22:20:49 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: it seems also weird to create an item with html mimetype, when we want docbook mimetype at the end
432 2010-07-27T22:20:50 <ThomasWaldmann> do we want to create (store) a new item?
433 2010-07-27T22:21:02 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: no we currently do not store it
434 2010-07-27T22:21:47 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we need 2 items
435 2010-07-27T22:22:02 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I thought about it, but I could not find a neat solution
436 2010-07-27T22:22:06 <ThomasWaldmann> 1 with original mimetype of stored data, does convert -> dom
437 2010-07-27T22:22:33 <ThomasWaldmann> 1 with wanted mimetype, does convert <- dom
438 2010-07-27T22:22:51 <valeuf> how do we make the two objects communicates?
439 2010-07-27T22:23:44 *** waldi
440 2010-07-27T22:23:45 *** RogerHaase
441 2010-07-27T22:23:47 *** ei-grad
442 2010-07-27T22:23:47 *** franklin
443 2010-07-27T22:23:56 *** grzywacz
444 2010-07-27T22:23:58 *** ChanServ
445 2010-07-27T22:24:00 *** dreimark
446 2010-07-27T22:24:00 <valeuf> for the second one, we need to feed it with the result of the first one, since it cannot retrieve his data from the storage backend
447 2010-07-27T22:24:47 *** waldi
448 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** RogerHaase
449 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** dreimark
450 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** franklin
451 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** ei-grad
452 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** ChanServ
453 2010-07-27T22:26:26 *** gibson.freenode.net
454 2010-07-27T22:27:20 <ThomasWaldmann> that has to be solved :)
455 2010-07-27T22:27:30 *** dreimark
456 2010-07-27T22:27:31 *** RogerHaase
457 2010-07-27T22:27:34 *** ei-grad
458 2010-07-27T22:27:34 *** franklin
459 2010-07-27T22:27:42 *** ChanServ
460 2010-07-27T22:27:42 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ok, I will try to find a solution ^ ^
461 2010-07-27T22:27:43 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: there is no reason I cannot find
462 2010-07-27T22:27:57 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i have something for you :D
463 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** RogerHaase
464 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** ChanServ
465 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** ei-grad
466 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** franklin
467 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** dreimark
468 2010-07-27T22:28:29 *** gibson.freenode.net
469 2010-07-27T22:28:32 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ?
470 2010-07-27T22:29:32 *** vpv
471 2010-07-27T22:29:34 *** RogerHaase
472 2010-07-27T22:29:38 *** ei-grad
473 2010-07-27T22:29:38 *** franklin
474 2010-07-27T22:29:47 *** ChanServ
475 2010-07-27T22:29:49 *** dreimark
476 2010-07-27T22:29:49 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.numerama.com/magazine/16319-pour-arreter-le-terrorisme-interdisons-la-programmation-c.html
477 2010-07-27T22:29:49 * ThomasWaldmann agrees with that ^^. C++ is terror. :O
478 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** vpv
479 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** RogerHaase
480 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** dreimark
481 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** franklin
482 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** ei-grad
483 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** ChanServ
484 2010-07-27T22:30:52 *** gibson.freenode.net
485 2010-07-27T22:31:59 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ah ah ah, C manual looks much more impressive with arabic language
486 2010-07-27T22:32:15 <dreimark> 22:27 < dreimark> valeuf: line 1221 if not(from_conv):
487 2010-07-27T22:32:15 <dreimark> 22:27 < dreimark> no ()
488 2010-07-27T22:32:27 <aa_> valeuf: I have a very close relationship with the firefox clear cache button extension
489 2010-07-27T22:34:00 <valeuf> aa_: well, I decided to debug with lynx, it solved my problem
490 2010-07-27T22:39:43 <dreimark> c
491 2010-07-27T22:39:57 <dreimark> valeuf: why do you import at module level?
492 2010-07-27T22:42:49 <valeuf> dreimark: I sow it was done like this in _render_data
493 2010-07-27T22:42:58 <valeuf> but I do not know if it is a good things or not
494 2010-07-27T22:45:44 <dreimark> if not(from_conv): is twice
495 2010-07-27T22:45:53 <dreimark> valeuf: and () not needed
496 2010-07-27T22:46:20 * dreimark should better read
497 2010-07-27T22:47:04 <valeuf> dreimark: fix the () for the not, but if not(from_conv) is only one time ^^
498 2010-07-27T22:47:09 <dreimark> I should better ask why you give twice the same raise
499 2010-07-27T22:47:19 <valeuf> so do you think that import at module level is correct or not?
500 2010-07-27T22:47:47 <dreimark> seen, my mistake happens because i readed the quite the same message twice
501 2010-07-27T22:48:13 <dreimark> valeuf: if there is no special reason for it e.g. circular import it should not be there
502 2010-07-27T22:48:24 <valeuf> dreimark: ok
503 2010-07-27T22:48:36 <dreimark> and if there is circular import this needs also be fixed
504 2010-07-27T22:49:42 <dreimark> but if it is now easier to get something productive then you can have imports at module level. it just should not increase because somewhere else it is needed that way
505 2010-07-27T22:50:12 <valeuf> ok
506 2010-07-27T22:57:03 <dreimark> eSyr: what is dmitry doing?
507 2010-07-27T23:02:25 <valeuf> ok, I om going to bed ^ ^
508 2010-07-27T23:02:31 <valeuf> I will finish tomorrow
509 2010-07-27T23:04:18 <dreimark> gn valeuf
510 2010-07-27T23:25:33 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well, i cannot assess whether this makes sense, they have some problem if you store non-pickable data in it, also i am not completely sure whether they are secure
511 2010-07-27T23:47:34 <ThomasWaldmann> we store only picklable stuff in there
