1 2010-11-20T00:04:36 <dreimark> gn
2 2010-11-20T00:14:00 * ThomasWaldmann kills textcha dupe
3 2010-11-20T00:14:03 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
4 2010-11-20T00:14:16 * m4k3r is working on issue10424.
5 2010-11-20T00:24:22 <xorAxAx> dreimark: i will have time on sunday
6 2010-11-20T00:30:15 *** grzywacz
7 2010-11-20T00:37:23 *** m4k3r
8 2010-11-20T00:37:38 *** m4k3r
9 2010-11-20T00:40:08 <ThomasWaldmann> m4k3r: what issue?
10 2010-11-20T00:40:30 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: is the bulk uploader production ready?
11 2010-11-20T00:40:39 <ThomasWaldmann> where is the code?
12 2010-11-20T00:40:41 <m4k3r> ThomasWaldmann: Mh?
13 2010-11-20T00:40:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (00:14) *** m4k3r is working on issue10424.
14 2010-11-20T00:40:54 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i guess so
15 2010-11-20T00:41:09 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you critized my commit so you should know where the code is :)
16 2010-11-20T00:41:32 <ThomasWaldmann> you tested it with a batch of tasks in the demo site?
17 2010-11-20T00:42:29 <ThomasWaldmann> so 1.9 repo has your current code?
18 2010-11-20T00:44:56 <xorAxAx> i tested it with a single test item
19 2010-11-20T00:44:58 <xorAxAx> yes
20 2010-11-20T00:46:37 <m4k3r> Uh, that was about Python Bug Weekend. Shit, still problems with my new irc client. :|
21 2010-11-20T00:47:41 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: please test again with >=10
22 2010-11-20T00:47:56 <xorAxAx> will do
23 2010-11-20T00:48:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ASAP, not sunday :)
24 2010-11-20T01:00:04 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, almost all easy tasks are now on subpages
25 2010-11-20T01:00:45 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: may I kill the TestItem?
26 2010-11-20T01:01:02 <xorAxAx> sure
27 2010-11-20T01:01:10 <xorAxAx> good bu
28 2010-11-20T01:01:15 <xorAxAx> night
29 2010-11-20T01:01:18 <xorAxAx> -bu
30 2010-11-20T01:01:24 <ThomasWaldmann> gn :)
31 2010-11-20T01:05:22 * ThomasWaldmann grabs "find a bug, fix a bug"
32 2010-11-20T01:44:26 *** m4k3r
33 2010-11-20T03:11:40 <ThomasWaldmann> Great news! Our lawyers have reviewed the rules and agreed that if you are 18 on 22 November you can still participate in GCI! As long as you meet the other eligibility requirements and are not older than 18, feel free to participate.
34 2010-11-20T03:11:58 <ThomasWaldmann> quoting carol smith from google ^^
35 2010-11-20T03:12:12 <ThomasWaldmann> sounds like < 19y
36 2010-11-20T06:47:38 *** m4k3r
37 2010-11-20T07:21:45 *** m4k3r
38 2010-11-20T08:56:31 *** franklin_
39 2010-11-20T08:57:58 *** franklin
40 2010-11-20T09:15:47 <dreimark> moin
41 2010-11-20T09:36:48 *** m4k3r
42 2010-11-20T09:43:34 <dreimark> bbl
43 2010-11-20T10:13:13 *** m4k3r
44 2010-11-20T10:17:27 <valeuf> moin
45 2010-11-20T10:23:56 <dreimark> moin
46 2010-11-20T10:45:49 <valeuf> so the GCI start on November 22?
47 2010-11-20T10:49:40 <dreimark> valeuf: yes
48 2010-11-20T10:49:59 <dreimark> if you have time can you read the prepared tasks on the wiki
49 2010-11-20T10:50:16 <valeuf> dreimark: yep, I was going to do that this week-end
50 2010-11-20T10:50:21 <dreimark> and check if that is understandable by a scholar student
51 2010-11-20T10:50:32 <dreimark> we have sub pages of some tasks now
52 2010-11-20T10:50:37 <dreimark> look at that first
53 2010-11-20T10:50:38 <valeuf> dreimark: I am not far from a scholar student ^ ^ so I will check
54 2010-11-20T10:50:55 <dreimark> we have to submit until sunday preferable today
55 2010-11-20T10:51:15 <dreimark> i have added my opninion about Duration
56 2010-11-20T10:51:23 <dreimark> change it if you don't agree
57 2010-11-20T10:51:50 <dreimark> [time to delivery, in hours] (ttd = workhours * 12)
58 2010-11-20T10:52:07 <valeuf> ok
59 2010-11-20T10:57:09 <valeuf> dreimark: you are talking about this page: http://www.moinmo.in/EasyToDo
60 2010-11-20T10:57:10 <valeuf> right?
61 2010-11-20T10:58:35 <dreimark> valeuf: section Subpages that need help
62 2010-11-20T10:59:49 <valeuf> dreimark: for translation, do you want to open only german translation, or other languages are welcome?
63 2010-11-20T10:59:51 <dreimark> each subpage becomes sumbitted to melange if it is in a good state
64 2010-11-20T11:00:15 <dreimark> valeuf: if you maintain an other language any you can do is welcome
65 2010-11-20T11:00:18 *** grzywacz
66 2010-11-20T11:00:18 *** grzywacz
67 2010-11-20T11:00:54 <dreimark> it is just a matter what active devs can do
68 2010-11-20T11:01:25 <valeuf> dreimark: well I do not maintain language yet, but I can check for French language easily
69 2010-11-20T11:03:11 <dreimark> you can add an other task for 100% french based on ideas of ranslation of moin2 to German - continued
70 2010-11-20T11:03:29 <valeuf> alright
71 2010-11-20T11:03:52 <dreimark> during changes of 2.0 the strings need to keep uptodate until and after release
72 2010-11-20T11:04:20 <dreimark> that is the maintaining part for it
73 2010-11-20T11:06:18 <valeuf> ok
74 2010-11-20T11:15:48 *** greg_f
75 2010-11-20T11:18:54 <valeuf> maybe do we miss some explain about spinx
76 2010-11-20T11:19:22 <valeuf> maybe it could eb a task to write a tutorial (or screencast)about sphinx and MoinMoin
77 2010-11-20T11:47:38 <dreimark> valeuf: add
78 2010-11-20T11:50:41 <dreimark> the problem still with all that is that we don't have an idea of the order student took tasks
79 2010-11-20T11:52:57 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
80 2010-11-20T11:53:57 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: there is a note about other languages on the german translation task page
81 2010-11-20T11:57:09 <ThomasWaldmann> (and the reason i don't want any others right now is that a) maintenance after gci is not assured and b) there will be likely still big changes requiring maintenance)
82 2010-11-20T12:06:24 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: what should be the contents of the sphinx and moin screencast?
83 2010-11-20T12:09:40 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: i accepted your mentor request, you'll likely have to fill in some profile now to complete it
84 2010-11-20T12:14:24 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Translation%20of%20moin2%20to%20German dreimark do you think that a student can submit results for all this 2.5 days after accepting?
85 2010-11-20T12:15:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (== 5 workhours)
86 2010-11-20T12:16:53 <dreimark> i have no idea
87 2010-11-20T12:16:57 <valeuf> I see
88 2010-11-20T12:17:33 <dreimark> I have not looked at the amount we have yet, but i thought it is 20% of 1.9
89 2010-11-20T12:17:44 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: for sphinx, maybe not a screen cast, but at least give to the student some indication about how to run sphinx, where he get the documentation after generation
90 2010-11-20T12:18:10 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I did not check, maybe there is already a page like this in mainma.in
91 2010-11-20T12:18:14 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that task is not primarily about translation itself
92 2010-11-20T12:18:18 <valeuf> *s/a/o/g
93 2010-11-20T12:19:00 <dreimark> hmm, double time?
94 2010-11-20T12:19:09 <dreimark> htg
95 2010-11-20T12:19:11 <dreimark> bbl
96 2010-11-20T12:19:23 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: that can be said in a sentence like "cd docs ; make html"
97 2010-11-20T12:23:20 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Translation%20of%20moin2%20to%20German%20-%20continued
98 2010-11-20T12:23:37 <ThomasWaldmann> your estimate in workhours for this?
99 2010-11-20T12:24:27 <ThomasWaldmann> (is it clear what the difference of time to delivery and workhours is, and that we need to specify ttd on the wiki page?)
100 2010-11-20T12:31:20 <ThomasWaldmann> i somehow have the impression that dreimarks ttd values are much too low
101 2010-11-20T12:31:55 <valeuf> I am not sure I get the difference between ttd and workhour
102 2010-11-20T12:32:10 <valeuf> I mean is it a big deal if it takes much more to deliver than to do it effectivel
103 2010-11-20T12:32:15 <valeuf> *effectively
104 2010-11-20T12:33:22 <ThomasWaldmann> work hours = the amount of time your really work on the task
105 2010-11-20T12:34:23 <valeuf> yep, but there is a need of ttd?
106 2010-11-20T12:34:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ttd = the time span after that you are expected to deliver (includes sleeping, going to school, eating, pauses and working on task)
107 2010-11-20T12:34:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ttd is what melange wants
108 2010-11-20T12:34:40 <valeuf> ok
109 2010-11-20T12:34:42 <valeuf> I se
110 2010-11-20T12:34:45 <valeuf> *i see
111 2010-11-20T12:35:20 <valeuf> so 10 days for the translation
112 2010-11-20T12:35:23 <ThomasWaldmann> so if we give ttd 48h and you take the task now, you are expected to deliver completed results in now + 2 days
113 2010-11-20T12:36:09 <ThomasWaldmann> the current formular is ttd = wh * 12 based on the assumption that a student can work 2h per day on it
114 2010-11-20T12:36:14 <ThomasWaldmann> -r
115 2010-11-20T12:36:39 <ThomasWaldmann> on average
116 2010-11-20T12:36:45 <valeuf> well, it really depends of the level of english and german of the student, with a basic level from school, it can probably takes more time, but if the student is bilingue (Like having a english-spoken dad and germa-spoken mom) it will be much faster I think
117 2010-11-20T12:36:53 <valeuf> hard to say for me ...
118 2010-11-20T12:38:31 <ThomasWaldmann> i put 10wh for first, 20wh for second task
119 2010-11-20T12:39:07 <ThomasWaldmann> first is mostly discovering and documenting how it works, not so much translating (10%)
120 2010-11-20T12:39:34 <ThomasWaldmann> second is doing 90% translation and reading/reviewing that docs
121 2010-11-20T12:40:22 <valeuf> well, it is just about string use in the code, so there is not that much
122 2010-11-20T12:40:35 <valeuf> if we push the student, it should be possible
123 2010-11-20T12:40:40 <ThomasWaldmann> 375 strings
124 2010-11-20T12:41:24 <valeuf> yep, sounds reasonable
125 2010-11-20T12:43:40 <valeuf> for quite all the task, I think there is some delay before the student can start,
126 2010-11-20T12:44:14 <valeuf> he will need to understand a bit how is working the structure of the source code, and deploy a quick environment for coding
127 2010-11-20T12:44:24 <ThomasWaldmann> student shall have the required skills
128 2010-11-20T12:44:28 <valeuf> this is not count in the TDD right?
129 2010-11-20T12:44:57 <ThomasWaldmann> so if a task tells gettext and english and german is required, the student shall already have knowledge about that
130 2010-11-20T12:45:10 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: yep, so we should give some training to students before they tackle task?
131 2010-11-20T12:45:18 <ThomasWaldmann> taking a german course is not included in tdd :D
132 2010-11-20T12:45:57 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess students will ask questions before taking tasks
133 2010-11-20T12:46:27 <valeuf> alright :)
134 2010-11-20T12:46:47 <valeuf> maybe we could see to provide some general IRC course for students interested in?
135 2010-11-20T12:46:51 <ThomasWaldmann> in fact the really good student might already have checked out the moin src if they want to work on it starting modnay
136 2010-11-20T12:47:02 <valeuf> kind of information session time for newcomer?
137 2010-11-20T12:47:24 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, we can do that, although it might be difficult with timing
138 2010-11-20T12:47:44 <ThomasWaldmann> so having some wiki pages linked from tasks might be better
139 2010-11-20T12:48:15 <ThomasWaldmann> s/tdd/ttd/
140 2010-11-20T12:48:39 <valeuf> yep
141 2010-11-20T12:48:39 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/autoescaping%20with%20jinja2%20-%20review%20code%20and%20templates%20to%20prepare%20for%20it
142 2010-11-20T12:48:50 <ThomasWaldmann> your estimate for ttd?
143 2010-11-20T12:50:04 <valeuf> 48 hours?
144 2010-11-20T12:50:21 <valeuf> it is not long, just read all the code basically, we some search tools, even faster
145 2010-11-20T12:51:42 <ThomasWaldmann> how long would it take you to review all code and templates for html usage and put marks?
146 2010-11-20T12:54:28 <valeuf> I would search for <(.*)> using vim in all the file, should be done in 1 or 2 hours, I do not think there is that much strings to escape
147 2010-11-20T12:55:27 <ThomasWaldmann> there are some configurable features based on html fragments
148 2010-11-20T12:55:47 <valeuf> problem is that student won't be using the right tool I think
149 2010-11-20T12:55:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and as they are empty, you won't find them that way
150 2010-11-20T12:56:24 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: ah ^ ^ I am a bad student
151 2010-11-20T12:56:42 <valeuf> well, so it needs proofreading for most of the source code ?
152 2010-11-20T12:56:46 <ThomasWaldmann> so i guess it will me mixed automated and manual review
153 2010-11-20T12:57:05 <valeuf> alright, let give them 6*12 hours
154 2010-11-20T12:57:08 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not most, but quite a lot potentially
155 2010-11-20T12:57:28 <ThomasWaldmann> that means deliver after 3d
156 2010-11-20T12:57:31 <valeuf> yep
157 2010-11-20T12:58:08 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, as i am feeling it is much more, lets make a compromise and put it at 5d
158 2010-11-20T12:58:34 <ThomasWaldmann> if student finishes early, it is no problem anyway
159 2010-11-20T13:01:02 <valeuf> :)
160 2010-11-20T13:01:10 <valeuf> I have probably bad feeling
161 2010-11-20T13:01:40 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/autoescaping%20with%20jinja2%20-%20review%20code%20and%20templates%20to%20prepare%20for%20it
162 2010-11-20T13:01:52 <ThomasWaldmann> i also added the notes about configurable stuff
163 2010-11-20T13:02:28 <ThomasWaldmann> well, lets face it: we are trying to do something not really possible with that estimation
164 2010-11-20T13:03:08 <ThomasWaldmann> because it is not really known to us how long it takes, nor do we know how good/fast the student is
165 2010-11-20T13:03:27 <valeuf> it is really hard to give deadline for students
166 2010-11-20T13:03:49 <valeuf> they fail the task if they do not deliver the result in the given tdd?
167 2010-11-20T13:04:21 <ThomasWaldmann> well, if we have the impression that it is our fault and student did good work, we can extend deadline
168 2010-11-20T13:04:31 <valeuf> alright
169 2010-11-20T13:05:10 <valeuf> but for this task, since we do not know perfectly where are the different HTLM fragments, we will even have hard time to say it is done!
170 2010-11-20T13:05:39 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/autoescaping%20with%20jinja2%20-%20fix%20code%20and%20templates
171 2010-11-20T13:05:45 <ThomasWaldmann> (yes :)
172 2010-11-20T13:06:10 <ThomasWaldmann> we'll notice sooner or later if we see some <foo> in the browser
173 2010-11-20T13:07:07 <valeuf> sure
174 2010-11-20T13:08:09 <ThomasWaldmann> i'ld put that one also at 120h ttd
175 2010-11-20T13:09:08 <ThomasWaldmann> as it includes quite some testing, reading and coding
176 2010-11-20T13:10:53 <valeuf> yep
177 2010-11-20T13:13:33 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Translation%20-%20check%20if%20code%20and%20templates%20are%20prepared%20for%20it
178 2010-11-20T13:13:41 <ThomasWaldmann> this is a global review
179 2010-11-20T13:14:19 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't think 48h ttd is enough
180 2010-11-20T13:15:57 <valeuf> definitely it is at least same amount of time than the task for jinja
181 2010-11-20T13:15:59 <valeuf> probably more
182 2010-11-20T13:17:17 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe same time as the 90% translation?
183 2010-11-20T13:18:10 *** m4k3r
184 2010-11-20T13:20:16 <ThomasWaldmann> that was 240h ttd
185 2010-11-20T13:27:31 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: still there?
186 2010-11-20T13:39:43 *** m4k3r
187 2010-11-20T13:58:40 <valeuf> TheSheep: yep
188 2010-11-20T13:58:41 <valeuf> sorry
189 2010-11-20T13:58:45 <valeuf> * ThomasWaldmann
190 2010-11-20T13:58:58 <valeuf> 240h ttd looks ok to me
191 2010-11-20T14:00:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, is that easy or medium?
192 2010-11-20T14:01:56 <ThomasWaldmann> (includes some py "coding", but maybe still easy)
193 2010-11-20T14:02:56 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/create%20markup%20docs%20%28docbook%20xml%29 can you check ttd there?
194 2010-11-20T14:03:19 <ThomasWaldmann> if that value is well-defined, we maybe can use it for the other markup pages also
195 2010-11-20T14:03:24 <valeuf> very small python coding, I would keep easy
196 2010-11-20T14:03:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
197 2010-11-20T14:08:32 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, who has time to do a collaborative sequential sanity check of the easytodo task subpages now?
198 2010-11-20T14:17:33 *** m4k3r
199 2010-11-20T14:21:20 <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I think for DocBook a part of the job is already done, since I listed carefully which elements are supported,
200 2010-11-20T14:21:47 <valeuf> so the job is just to write example, and check the code to verify it is correct with the page I wrote
201 2010-11-20T14:22:42 <ThomasWaldmann> well, for other markups there are pages listing some stuff also
202 2010-11-20T14:22:57 <ThomasWaldmann> but the task is to create a valid reference for users
203 2010-11-20T14:24:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (I intend to not deliver many help pages with moin as much stuff will just be in the docs, but those references might well be available in the wiki also)
204 2010-11-20T14:33:38 <ThomasWaldmann> anyone? it helps if we have some people helping who are not deep into moin, because the students likely won't be either.
205 2010-11-20T14:44:49 <valeuf> Hum docbook is a little bit longer than other specification
206 2010-11-20T14:45:14 <valeuf> maybe having 96 for the other markup and 120 for DocBook?
207 2010-11-20T14:56:30 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i think that might be a good estimate
208 2010-11-20T14:56:42 <ThomasWaldmann> can you fix the tasks?
209 2010-11-20T14:57:30 <valeuf> yep
210 2010-11-20T15:00:00 <valeuf> I need to find some reference page :)
211 2010-11-20T15:04:48 * ThomasWaldmann files a moin2 workshop for 27c3
212 2010-11-20T15:38:11 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: what are the actual requirements, they all look fine to me, but i might be off
213 2010-11-20T15:56:04 <ThomasWaldmann> for?
214 2010-11-20T15:56:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny:
215 2010-11-20T15:57:16 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: the todo tasks
216 2010-11-20T15:59:47 <ThomasWaldmann> well, main requirement is that they are suitable as gci task obviously
217 2010-11-20T16:01:12 <ThomasWaldmann> that means: students aged 13..18.x, doable within some work hours (maybe not more than 20 work hours, maybe 40 for hard tasks)
218 2010-11-20T16:02:07 <ThomasWaldmann> time estimate should be reasonably correct
219 2010-11-20T16:02:18 <ThomasWaldmann> difficulty class should be correct
220 2010-11-20T16:02:41 <ThomasWaldmann> description should be ok as a starting point
221 2010-11-20T16:11:13 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i dont think im currently able to judge that (in my mind they are all kinda easy)
222 2010-11-20T16:17:13 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, if they are all ok for you, you could create some more :)
223 2010-11-20T16:17:57 <ThomasWaldmann> see task ideas on EasyToDo, create a subpage using that input field / submit button at the top
224 2010-11-20T17:09:39 *** m4k3r
225 2010-11-20T17:10:04 *** m4k3r
226 2010-11-20T17:10:12 <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: the docbook markup reference task is finished and ready to publish?
227 2010-11-20T17:13:14 * ThomasWaldmann increase the ttd for all other markup tasks, except creole, which is definitely simpler
228 2010-11-20T17:21:44 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i want to upload some tasks soon. how's your testing?
229 2010-11-20T18:16:23 <ThomasWaldmann> shall we merge the "nicer font" task into the "create alternate css task"?
230 2010-11-20T18:37:17 *** dennda
231 2010-11-20T18:37:42 *** dennda
232 2010-11-20T19:16:13 <ThomasWaldmann> same question for "search results contain repr" -> integrate as example of easy bugfix into generic bugfix task
233 2010-11-20T19:22:07 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5726:e7914bd67889 1.9/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: googleimport: fixed (c), minor code reformatting
234 2010-11-20T20:23:39 *** greg_f
235 2010-11-20T20:24:22 <dreimark> re
236 2010-11-20T20:34:21 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5727:17bcec43f773 1.9/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: googleimport: remove pointless if clause, rearrange some code
237 2010-11-20T20:34:22 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5728:bbfe34d68e6c 1.9/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: googleimport: catch ValueError
238 2010-11-20T20:44:23 *** kursor
239 2010-11-20T20:54:46 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do you have tasks submitted?
240 2010-11-20T20:57:02 *** kursor
241 2010-11-20T20:57:49 <ThomasWaldmann> not yet
242 2010-11-20T20:57:50 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5729:4507be75514a 1.9/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: googleimport: get rid of line anchors and lineXXX class attrs
243 2010-11-20T20:58:02 *** kursor
244 2010-11-20T21:03:16 *** kursor
245 2010-11-20T22:27:10 <ThomasWaldmann> we need to review the task pages
246 2010-11-20T22:28:14 <ThomasWaldmann> links to other wiki pages won't work from html in melange because they are only relative links, without http://moinmo.in/
247 2010-11-20T22:30:20 <dreimark> ok
248 2010-11-20T22:31:51 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: please start from the end
249 2010-11-20T22:32:05 * ThomasWaldmann is at #5
250 2010-11-20T22:34:29 <dreimark> i do already
251 2010-11-20T22:34:36 <ThomasWaldmann> also CamelCase stuff like MoinMoin should be !MoinMoin
252 2010-11-20T22:34:56 <ThomasWaldmann> (or it'll link to some 404 page on melange gci site)
253 2010-11-20T22:37:32 <dreimark> ah, ok, i missed that
254 2010-11-20T22:37:52 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/EasyToDo/create%20markup%20docs%20%28docbook%20xml%29?action=diff&rev2=8&rev1=6
255 2010-11-20T22:37:55 <ThomasWaldmann> see there
256 2010-11-20T22:39:05 <dreimark> they have the same link syntax , ok
257 2010-11-20T22:40:16 * ThomasWaldmann is at 10
258 2010-11-20T22:42:27 * ThomasWaldmann is at 20
259 2010-11-20T22:43:16 * dreimark at screencasts
260 2010-11-20T22:44:31 * ThomasWaldmann is at 25
261 2010-11-20T22:45:22 * ThomasWaldmann is at 28
262 2010-11-20T22:47:11 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the strings in the header (dict) of the page are used as-is, so no ! needed there.
263 2010-11-20T22:47:27 <dreimark> ok, mistake
264 2010-11-20T22:47:33 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/autoescaping%20with%20jinja2%20-%20fix%20code%20and%20templates
265 2010-11-20T22:47:44 <dreimark> __ needs to be escaped
266 2010-11-20T22:47:59 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what is it in melange
267 2010-11-20T22:51:18 <ThomasWaldmann> nothing
268 2010-11-20T22:51:32 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm
269 2010-11-20T22:52:12 <ThomasWaldmann> everything except the dict at top gets rendered
270 2010-11-20T22:59:35 <dreimark> not sure if that is the answer to my question __init__ is in moin underline init
271 2010-11-20T23:00:01 <dreimark> and `__init__` escapes it
272 2010-11-20T23:00:35 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, escape it
