1 2011-01-02T00:05:21 <ThomasWaldmann> are there any comments about the ready for submission stuff on http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo ?
2 2011-01-02T00:12:51 <dreimark> see Discussion for the trash manager
3 2011-01-02T00:24:38 <ThomasWaldmann> just posted a reply
4 2011-01-02T00:38:00 <ThomasWaldmann> what we maybe could do to generalize it, is to first make an "improve item index" task
5 2011-01-02T00:38:19 <ThomasWaldmann> list items
6 2011-01-02T00:38:30 <ThomasWaldmann> use some tree view widget for subitems
7 2011-01-02T00:39:01 <ThomasWaldmann> possibility to select items (checkboxes) and post the list to some action
8 2011-01-02T00:40:32 <dreimark> yes
9 2011-01-02T00:40:47 <dreimark> i added some notes
10 2011-01-02T00:41:59 <dreimark> fsck found by that text a new parser bug
11 2011-01-02T00:43:27 <dreimark> no, wrong ticks
12 2011-01-02T00:44:25 <dreimark> i just meant trash should not have "better" methods than nornal items
13 2011-01-02T00:44:44 <dreimark> s/nornal/normal/
14 2011-01-02T00:46:32 <dreimark> gn
15 2011-01-02T00:47:49 *** Samm
16 2011-01-02T01:32:43 *** grzywacz
17 2011-01-02T01:36:44 <neb1> hello
18 2011-01-02T01:37:02 <neb1> who can help me
19 2011-01-02T01:37:14 <neb1> i wanted to translate for gci
20 2011-01-02T01:37:20 <neb1> into lithuanian
21 2011-01-02T01:37:41 <neb1> dreimark or ThomasWaldmann or ronny?
22 2011-01-02T01:52:51 *** cosmos_thought
23 2011-01-02T01:54:35 *** cosmos_t1ought
24 2011-01-02T01:54:40 <cosmos_t1ought> moin
25 2011-01-02T01:55:18 *** cosmos_thought
26 2011-01-02T01:55:42 *** cosmos_t1ought
27 2011-01-02T01:56:52 <ThomasWaldmann> hi cosmos_thought
28 2011-01-02T01:57:00 <ThomasWaldmann> hi neb1
29 2011-01-02T01:57:18 <ThomasWaldmann> neb1: did you look at master19 wiki?
30 2011-01-02T01:58:13 *** izibi
31 2011-01-02T02:01:48 <ThomasWaldmann> neb1: http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/lt
32 2011-01-02T02:02:27 <ThomasWaldmann> neb1: looks ok for "easy", just claim it
33 2011-01-02T02:09:00 <ThomasWaldmann> neb1: there is a easy translation task now
34 2011-01-02T02:52:10 *** izibi
35 2011-01-02T03:21:11 <ThomasWaldmann> January 10, 2011, 12:00 AM Pacific Time / 08:00 UTC: All work stops
36 2011-01-02T03:21:21 <ThomasWaldmann> uhoh, not too much time left
37 2011-01-02T03:38:55 <TripleEntendre> apologies in advance if this is a wrong place to ask, but did anything ever come of the idea of making a FUSE filesystem that would act on a MoinMoin wiki's files? aha, nm I found it... but obscure. Maybe it wasn't so useful... http://www.docunext.com/wiki/MoinMoin_with_XSLT ...and apologies for answering my own question and still hitting 'enter' anyway, but I thought it might interest someone in passing
38 2011-01-02T03:42:54 *** ronny
39 2011-01-02T03:47:30 <ThomasWaldmann> hi TripleEntendre
40 2011-01-02T03:47:58 <TripleEntendre> hi
41 2011-01-02T03:48:26 <ThomasWaldmann> bigger development work should be done on moin2 basis, btw
42 2011-01-02T03:49:56 <TripleEntendre> I have some interest in MoinMoin, as I am a software developer and yet was insanely frustrated by the process of migrating a rather old wiki to a new (and very different) server. I know, I was changing too many variables at once, not scientific, but the server was going away, so I had little choice.
43 2011-01-02T03:50:07 <TripleEntendre> I take your point about moin2, thanks
44 2011-01-02T03:51:09 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
45 2011-01-02T03:51:13 <TripleEntendre> I haven't read anything about moin2 yet, so in my imagination it is filled with rainbows and unicorns
46 2011-01-02T03:51:18 <TripleEntendre> oh, you read my mind
47 2011-01-02T03:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> we have some rainbows already, not unicorns, though :D
48 2011-01-02T03:52:43 <TripleEntendre> yay!
49 2011-01-02T03:53:51 <TripleEntendre> I just used one of your macros as a template for a macro to embed a Google Spreadsheet into a wiki page
50 2011-01-02T03:54:06 <TripleEntendre> which totally worked, but I did it Wrong -- not secure
51 2011-01-02T03:55:01 <ThomasWaldmann> if you are a python dev: help with moin2 is always welcome, there is quite a lot to do
52 2011-01-02T03:56:55 <TripleEntendre> I'm not so much any particular flavor of dev as I am a highly technical generalist. So I've actually written Python code for two commercial projects, but I don't actually claim to know any Python. :D
53 2011-01-02T03:57:08 *** cosmos_t1ought
54 2011-01-02T03:58:35 <TripleEntendre> okay, I went over to "How to help", and it sent me back here, lol
55 2011-01-02T03:58:42 <TripleEntendre> hello then
56 2011-01-02T03:59:03 <TripleEntendre> well that, and it says install moin2
57 2011-01-02T03:59:08 <TripleEntendre> I'll do that
58 2011-01-02T03:59:43 <TripleEntendre> ...in a *different* virtual machine than the one that is currently nursing my old, broken wiki
59 2011-01-02T03:59:58 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to *install* moin2
60 2011-01-02T04:00:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you can just run it in-place in the development workdir
61 2011-01-02T04:00:30 *** cosmos_thought
62 2011-01-02T04:00:46 <TripleEntendre> ...which is then tunneling to a port on my laptop, which is then portmapped from my router, to which the live DNS actually points *shudder*
63 2011-01-02T04:00:56 <TripleEntendre> aha, ok
64 2011-01-02T04:01:14 <TripleEntendre> but... I won't have to mess with apache2 configurations?
65 2011-01-02T04:01:36 <TripleEntendre> or you mean just test it locally
66 2011-01-02T04:01:37 <ThomasWaldmann> you can just run "moin" from the toplevel dir and it'll serve on localhost:8080
67 2011-01-02T04:02:01 <TripleEntendre> ah, excellent. I'll do it now.
68 2011-01-02T04:02:44 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have big latency to moinmo.in or slow line, use the tar.bz2
69 2011-01-02T04:03:28 <ThomasWaldmann> http://static.moinmo.in/files/moin-2.0-dev.tar.bz2
70 2011-01-02T04:03:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ~1w old
71 2011-01-02T04:04:29 <TripleEntendre> may I use the macports version of mercurial?
72 2011-01-02T04:04:56 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't know that version, but if it is not ancient, it should work
73 2011-01-02T04:05:04 <TripleEntendre> ok
74 2011-01-02T04:06:18 <ThomasWaldmann> mercurial is great when it comes to platform support and compatibility
75 2011-01-02T04:07:00 <TripleEntendre> boo to mercurial.selenic.com for failing silently until I enabled javascript :(
76 2011-01-02T04:09:44 <izibi> gosh! damn noise in the audio...
77 2011-01-02T04:10:31 <TripleEntendre> yeah, gonna go with the MacPorts version, it has 1.7.2, should be fine http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=library&substr=mercurial
78 2011-01-02T04:11:54 <TripleEntendre> ooh, and it has bash completion
79 2011-01-02T04:15:19 <TripleEntendre> and now I'm reading up at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/QuickStart
80 2011-01-02T04:15:19 <izibi> wtf? why do i get better sound using the built-in microphone in my laptop than with a headset?
81 2011-01-02T04:16:25 <TripleEntendre> impedance?
82 2011-01-02T04:17:38 <izibi> what's worse? noise or hearing the keyboard? :D
83 2011-01-02T04:17:54 <TripleEntendre> <-- that may very well be the geekiest double entendre I've ever made. sorry about that.
84 2011-01-02T04:19:19 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: hard to tell, do your best :)
85 2011-01-02T04:26:30 *** rfw
86 2011-01-02T04:28:39 <TripleEntendre> ThomasWaldmann et al: is there anything like a mission statement for 2.0, where it's going so as to tell if new ideas are in scope and have the right wikinature? I am reading http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0 , and, no offense, but it reads like ... a wiki page
87 2011-01-02T04:29:09 *** neb1
88 2011-01-02T04:29:19 *** rfw
89 2011-01-02T04:29:19 *** rfw
90 2011-01-02T04:30:29 *** gh_ju1
91 2011-01-02T04:30:44 <gh_ju1> ThomasWaldmann: done
92 2011-01-02T04:31:03 <TripleEntendre> That came out a bit rough, I meant it humorously... my own wiki's text has the same "problem"
93 2011-01-02T04:32:46 *** gh_ju
94 2011-01-02T04:32:58 *** gh_ju1
95 2011-01-02T04:36:14 <TripleEntendre> and never mind my question, from careful rereading of the page I think I "get it"
96 2011-01-02T04:36:18 <izibi> my wallpaper looks so ugly with the video compression. i hate screencasting :D
97 2011-01-02T04:36:19 <TripleEntendre> a big Refactoring
98 2011-01-02T04:37:27 <TripleEntendre> and and crazy stuff, will still be plugins
99 2011-01-02T04:37:30 <TripleEntendre> *and any
100 2011-01-02T04:40:27 <TripleEntendre> self-correction -- found my way to http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/MercurialGuide , which is better than the QuickStart I linked before
101 2011-01-02T04:55:59 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: # include some short section for developers about how to use newstyle gettext and ngettext
102 2011-01-02T04:56:23 <ThomasWaldmann> is that missing still?
103 2011-01-02T05:05:15 *** neb1
104 2011-01-02T05:06:39 <ThomasWaldmann> TripleEntendre: goal for moin2 is to have a basic, but powerful wiki
105 2011-01-02T05:08:59 <izibi> i need some sleep. good night
106 2011-01-02T05:11:56 <TripleEntendre> ThomasWaldman: thanks for your reply, that works. my reaction to it was to then go "okay, what is a wiki really" and I found my way to http://wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki where it says "The simplest online database that could possibly work." That is awesome.
107 2011-01-02T05:12:43 <TripleEntendre> I am a database guy at heart. Everything is databases....
108 2011-01-02T05:13:51 <TripleEntendre> I wish more people would use wikis. Internet publishing has gotten so conglomerate-heavy
109 2011-01-02T05:15:46 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you are a db guy: we have a sqla backend that needs more love
110 2011-01-02T05:15:50 *** izibi
111 2011-01-02T05:16:51 <TripleEntendre> I speak a few dialects of SQL
112 2011-01-02T05:23:12 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: you are right i will add this
113 2011-01-02T05:23:53 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: you only meant developers, not translators?
114 2011-01-02T05:24:33 <TripleEntendre> ThomasWaldmann: I made an account for myself on the moinmo.in wiki. I am wanting there to be a little blurb about *how* to install the hgpaste extension. If I do figure it out, I'll add said blurb if it would be appropriate.
115 2011-01-02T05:24:57 <TripleEntendre> I know, there I go with "installing" things again. But surely it belongs somewhere...
116 2011-01-02T05:25:21 <TripleEntendre> oops, I mean this page: http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/MercurialGuide
117 2011-01-02T05:29:22 <TripleEntendre> right, I so figured that out. stick the file wherever it belongs on your platform and then add a line in ~/.hgrc pointing at it
118 2011-01-02T05:31:47 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: ?
119 2011-01-02T05:35:32 <gh_ju> ok i suppose i am right :)
120 2011-01-02T06:24:01 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: done
121 2011-01-02T06:24:12 *** gh_ju
122 2011-01-02T10:45:58 *** rfw
123 2011-01-02T11:35:46 *** NikitaUtiu
124 2011-01-02T11:38:24 *** grzywacz
125 2011-01-02T11:38:33 *** grzywacz
126 2011-01-02T12:32:57 <NikitaUtiu> moin
127 2011-01-02T12:33:06 <NikitaUtiu> is there any flatland url validator ?
128 2011-01-02T12:36:49 *** m4k3r
129 2011-01-02T12:39:47 <NikitaUtiu> nvm
130 2011-01-02T13:02:29 *** izibi
131 2011-01-02T13:05:43 *** skylamer`
132 2011-01-02T13:12:58 *** gh_ju
133 2011-01-02T13:20:33 *** }neb1{
134 2011-01-02T13:21:16 *** neb1
135 2011-01-02T13:26:06 *** cosmos_t1ought
136 2011-01-02T13:34:25 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark: done
137 2011-01-02T13:59:28 *** greg_f
138 2011-01-02T14:12:20 *** cosmos_thought
139 2011-01-02T14:42:36 *** Samm
140 2011-01-02T14:54:48 <gh_ju> dreimark, ThomasWaldmann: now the final version i hope
141 2011-01-02T15:39:31 <dreimark> gh_ju: if you need to do another patch use a much better name
142 2011-01-02T15:39:50 <gh_ju> ?
143 2011-01-02T15:40:15 <dreimark> second.patch - what do you think how often we got that
144 2011-01-02T15:40:30 <dreimark> and what we believe is in that
145 2011-01-02T15:41:04 <dreimark> second, minutes, hours ... ;)
146 2011-01-02T15:42:12 <gh_ju> ok
147 2011-01-02T15:42:20 <gh_ju> but it isn't intended as an addition, it replaces the first one
148 2011-01-02T15:42:44 <dreimark> yes, but you can use a meaningful name - not only a functional one
149 2011-01-02T15:43:42 <gh_ju> ok thx
150 2011-01-02T15:46:11 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: there is a fuzzy string in your translation
151 2011-01-02T15:46:56 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: and your ngettext description could be improved by giving a better example
152 2011-01-02T15:47:00 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: i don't think so
153 2011-01-02T15:47:18 <ThomasWaldmann> using named placeholders
154 2011-01-02T15:47:57 <dreimark> gh_ju: always use named placeholders
155 2011-01-02T15:48:11 <dreimark> the grammar in different languages is not always in the same order
156 2011-01-02T15:48:21 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: it is at the top of the file, before the msgid "" with the metadata
157 2011-01-02T15:48:35 <dreimark> line 7
158 2011-01-02T15:48:57 <gh_ju> this is commented out by adding a space after #
159 2011-01-02T15:49:09 <gh_ju> it can be removed completely
160 2011-01-02T15:49:56 <ThomasWaldmann> please do so if it is not needed
161 2011-01-02T15:50:05 <dreimark> msgid "last modified: %s"
162 2011-01-02T15:50:08 <ThomasWaldmann> also remove the blank between function name and (
163 2011-01-02T15:50:11 <dreimark> -> placeholder
164 2011-01-02T15:50:20 <dreimark> (meaningful)
165 2011-01-02T15:50:25 <ThomasWaldmann> we use ngettext(, not ngettext (
166 2011-01-02T15:51:56 <dreimark> which tense is preferable?
167 2011-01-02T15:52:04 <dreimark> "The entered TextCha was incorrect."
168 2011-01-02T15:52:14 <dreimark> The TextCha question is invalid or has expired. Please try again."
169 2011-01-02T15:52:51 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that's a problem of original strings, not translation
170 2011-01-02T15:52:57 <dreimark> ok
171 2011-01-02T15:53:52 <gh_ju> ok, todo is: named placeholders, no space, remove fuzzy,
172 2011-01-02T15:54:13 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: as far as moin is concerned, you could remove reference to .format()
173 2011-01-02T15:54:27 <ThomasWaldmann> we never used that
174 2011-01-02T15:54:43 <gh_ju> instead you use what?
175 2011-01-02T15:55:13 <gh_ju> the % ...
176 2011-01-02T15:55:15 <gh_ju> ?
177 2011-01-02T15:55:42 <ThomasWaldmann> in moin1 we used _("Your name is %(name)s.") % dict(name=name)
178 2011-01-02T15:55:47 <ThomasWaldmann> or so
179 2011-01-02T15:55:59 <gh_ju> ok i will write this
180 2011-01-02T15:57:01 <ThomasWaldmann> could you recreate pot so it gets 2011 date?
181 2011-01-02T15:57:31 <gh_ju> yes
182 2011-01-02T15:57:35 <ThomasWaldmann> "Because this sometimes create large diffs," -> creates
183 2011-01-02T15:58:03 <gh_ju> ups fixed
184 2011-01-02T15:58:16 <ThomasWaldmann> is to create a separate commit
185 2011-01-02T15:58:34 <ThomasWaldmann> either "create ... changeset" or "do a ... commit"
186 2011-01-02T15:59:22 <gh_ju> ok
187 2011-01-02T15:59:42 <ThomasWaldmann> you may also have to adjust the ngettext explanation after fixing the example
188 2011-01-02T16:00:15 <ThomasWaldmann> decicion -> decision
189 2011-01-02T16:01:21 <ThomasWaldmann> +A newly created need a few modifications to be done before every
190 2011-01-02T16:01:22 <ThomasWaldmann> +translator can use it.
191 2011-01-02T16:02:13 <ThomasWaldmann> A newly created (translation|po file) needs a few initial preparations.
192 2011-01-02T16:03:22 <gh_ju> thx this is better
193 2011-01-02T16:04:17 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, how many strings are done / todo in the moin2 "de" translation?
194 2011-01-02T16:04:29 <dreimark> we should extend the note about "please don't ask us whether we want other translations,...."
195 2011-01-02T16:04:50 <dreimark> we should give a date e.g. until 3rd quarter of this year or so.
196 2011-01-02T16:04:51 *** Samm
197 2011-01-02T16:05:03 <gh_ju> 10%
198 2011-01-02T16:05:21 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: in absolute values? :)
199 2011-01-02T16:05:40 <gh_ju> öhm
200 2011-01-02T16:05:54 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we hope so, but in fact we don't know yet
201 2011-01-02T16:06:21 <dreimark> i know but we can move the deadline also
202 2011-01-02T16:06:27 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: in fact i only need the total or remaining count
203 2011-01-02T16:06:30 <gh_ju> 23/226 translated
204 2011-01-02T16:06:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok
205 2011-01-02T16:06:46 <gh_ju> 203 remaining
206 2011-01-02T16:07:06 <dreimark> in the past we had 900 +XX
207 2011-01-02T16:07:21 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, are you intending to do the followup task for translating the rest?
208 2011-01-02T16:08:11 <gh_ju> i rather thought on trying to fix a bug ^^
209 2011-01-02T16:08:19 <dreimark> the example "ngettext ("%d file removed fr" ...
210 2011-01-02T16:08:40 <dreimark> should also use named placeholders (hopefully i don't repeat ThomasWaldmann)
211 2011-01-02T16:09:00 <gh_ju> ok, the new example: ngettext("%(num)d file removed from %(directory)s", "%(num)d files removed from %(directory)s", n, directory=directory, num=n)
212 2011-01-02T16:09:18 <ThomasWaldmann> great :)
213 2011-01-02T16:09:52 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: are you working with mercurial?
214 2011-01-02T16:10:10 <gh_ju> since a few days
215 2011-01-02T16:10:52 <ThomasWaldmann> because, if you like to, you could also export all your changesets to a file, then your metadata (your name, etc) would get into history
216 2011-01-02T16:11:14 <ThomasWaldmann> but I can also commit a patch, if you prefer that
217 2011-01-02T16:12:17 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the babel script has no license info
218 2011-01-02T16:13:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, can fix that :)
219 2011-01-02T16:14:06 <gh_ju> howto export multiple changesets?
220 2011-01-02T16:14:15 <ThomasWaldmann> i am considering giving the moin2 de translation "medium" difficulty instead of easy
221 2011-01-02T16:15:16 <ThomasWaldmann> because there is not much there yet (while many moin1 translations had more existing strings or existing other translations)
222 2011-01-02T16:15:36 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: hg export 1 2 3 ?
223 2011-01-02T16:16:24 <dreimark> just a list of cs numbers
224 2011-01-02T16:16:38 <gh_ju> ok
225 2011-01-02T16:16:41 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: do you have translated at least 1 ngettext thing?
226 2011-01-02T16:17:14 <ThomasWaldmann> (hmm, do we have any yet? :)
227 2011-01-02T16:17:20 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: no
228 2011-01-02T16:17:35 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: but i can ...
229 2011-01-02T16:17:42 <dreimark> gh_ju: configure your name you want in the cs, because later you see that in a gource video
230 2011-01-02T16:17:54 <dreimark> (and the world too)
231 2011-01-02T16:18:28 <gh_ju> nice ^^
232 2011-01-02T16:18:55 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, editing .hgrc and giving a sane name there is important to do before using hg.
233 2011-01-02T16:19:48 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: i dont find a ngettext string in po/pot
234 2011-01-02T16:19:53 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: seen the new item list task (instead of trash mgmt)?
235 2011-01-02T16:20:03 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: ok, not your fault :)
236 2011-01-02T16:20:09 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes, i like it
237 2011-01-02T16:20:13 <ThomasWaldmann> we'll do that later
238 2011-01-02T16:20:51 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Fix%20Make%20File%20for%20INSTALL.html
239 2011-01-02T16:21:07 <ThomasWaldmann> we need to put up some more / more interesting tasks today
240 2011-01-02T16:21:16 <NikitaUtiu> moin
241 2011-01-02T16:21:16 <ThomasWaldmann> it is only ~1 week left
242 2011-01-02T16:21:42 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow it will be over faster than i expected
243 2011-01-02T16:22:00 <ThomasWaldmann> moin NikitaUtiu
244 2011-01-02T16:22:01 <NikitaUtiu> about openid, should i add some kind of entry so that you can change your oid from the settings ?
245 2011-01-02T16:22:13 <dreimark> hopefully it takes not again 3 years to repeat it
246 2011-01-02T16:22:33 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: yes, there should be a input field
247 2011-01-02T16:22:35 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: yes,
248 2011-01-02T16:22:57 <NikitaUtiu> well i already added it as optional to the register form
249 2011-01-02T16:23:28 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: well, as they have melange beta tested with gci now, i hope it'll happen more frequent and on a bigger scale
250 2011-01-02T16:24:00 <NikitaUtiu> is it ok if i add it under the personal settings tab?
251 2011-01-02T16:24:15 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: that's ok, but changing also needs to be possible somehow. for now, maybe near email addr?
252 2011-01-02T16:25:16 <NikitaUtiu> email is under notification settings, it somehow doesn't suit openid well
253 2011-01-02T16:25:40 <NikitaUtiu> maybe... general details
254 2011-01-02T16:25:52 <dreimark> it should be where the name is
255 2011-01-02T16:26:46 <NikitaUtiu> then personal settings it shall be :D
256 2011-01-02T16:28:06 <dreimark> the email is more for notification used than for access
257 2011-01-02T16:28:24 <dreimark> and you can disable it
258 2011-01-02T16:28:31 <gh_ju> dreimark: what is now with the "please don't ask us whether we want other translations ...", a specific date?
259 2011-01-02T16:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: we don't know the date
260 2011-01-02T16:28:48 <dreimark> gh_ju: ThomasWaldmann is right
261 2011-01-02T16:28:52 <ThomasWaldmann> so keep as is
262 2011-01-02T16:28:56 <gh_ju> ok
263 2011-01-02T16:29:02 <dreimark> when we know we can add it
264 2011-01-02T16:29:02 <ThomasWaldmann> we'll just edit it when we feel the time has come
265 2011-01-02T16:29:07 <dreimark> :)
266 2011-01-02T16:31:22 <NikitaUtiu> well. i'll save email for a future change set, i'll mess up these ones if i do it know
267 2011-01-02T16:31:50 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do we want screenshots for three strings for the translation task?
268 2011-01-02T16:32:10 <dreimark> because sometimes it is easier if the student has used his translation
269 2011-01-02T16:32:46 <dreimark> (this is inspired from the last translation task i helped)
270 2011-01-02T16:33:22 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/implement%20item%20list%20view can you review please?
271 2011-01-02T16:34:17 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: well, we can require practically using moin2
272 2011-01-02T16:34:42 <ThomasWaldmann> which absolutely makes sense because you see the translation in real life then
273 2011-01-02T16:34:53 <dreimark> yes
274 2011-01-02T16:35:17 <dreimark> duration 8 *24 ?
275 2011-01-02T16:35:34 <dreimark> so it ends at the 10th?
276 2011-01-02T16:36:12 <dreimark> btw. i am not sure how clever melange is, not that it disables task which take longer ...
277 2011-01-02T16:37:20 * ThomasWaldmann gives 180h max, because gci will end about then
278 2011-01-02T16:38:08 <ThomasWaldmann> the contest will likely end whenever google wants it to end
279 2011-01-02T16:38:46 <ThomasWaldmann> so we shouldn't give more time that can be available if the task is taken now
280 2011-01-02T16:38:59 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do we know from which backend the item comes from?
281 2011-01-02T16:39:20 <ThomasWaldmann> why do we want to know?
282 2011-01-02T16:39:39 <dreimark> if you have a memory backend and want to move items
283 2011-01-02T16:39:53 <ThomasWaldmann> so?
284 2011-01-02T16:39:59 <dreimark> then i want to know on the index too
285 2011-01-02T16:40:11 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
286 2011-01-02T16:41:00 <dreimark> for the index. not only item name also from which storage
287 2011-01-02T16:41:16 <ThomasWaldmann> why do we want to know?
288 2011-01-02T16:43:11 <dreimark> e.g. if you use sqla and hg
289 2011-01-02T16:43:27 <dreimark> you know that all hg items can be cloned from outside the wiki
290 2011-01-02T16:43:48 <dreimark> e.g. memory and sqla or hg
291 2011-01-02T16:44:21 <dreimark> purging all memory backend items is easier by restarting the memory backemd
292 2011-01-02T16:44:28 <dreimark> than a manual process
293 2011-01-02T16:44:51 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe try to first get clear about the problem and then telling what the problem is
294 2011-01-02T16:46:05 <dreimark> there is no problem. currently the global index is just over all backends
295 2011-01-02T16:46:23 <dreimark> it may be useful to have a filter by backend
296 2011-01-02T16:46:41 <dreimark> but that is also optional currently
297 2011-01-02T16:47:27 <dreimark> -> so no problem, if we get that i am happy
298 2011-01-02T16:47:42 <dreimark> (the non optional part)
299 2011-01-02T16:49:32 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we implement stuff when we have a real usecase for it
300 2011-01-02T16:50:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anything for implement list item view?
301 2011-01-02T16:50:44 * ThomasWaldmann would like to submit asap
302 2011-01-02T16:51:17 <dreimark> it is a replacement for the dataset browser too
303 2011-01-02T16:51:43 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/implement%20item%20list%20view < xorAxAx TheSheep can you have a look?
304 2011-01-02T16:51:45 * dreimark looks at jq bookmarks
305 2011-01-02T16:52:18 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, we might be able to use it at some places
306 2011-01-02T16:53:55 * dreimark added some links
307 2011-01-02T16:56:25 <ThomasWaldmann> tablesorter didn't see changes since 2008
308 2011-01-02T16:57:07 <ThomasWaldmann> also, iirc, a link to it is included on the table stuff overview page i gave
309 2011-01-02T16:57:20 <dreimark> ok, then i remove it
310 2011-01-02T16:58:21 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/EasyToDo/Translation%20of%20moin2%20to%20German%20-%20continued?action=diff&rev2=10&rev1=9
311 2011-01-02T17:01:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
312 2011-01-02T17:02:14 <dreimark> had added something more
313 2011-01-02T17:02:27 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we can simply tell "the rest (~ 200 strings)"
314 2011-01-02T17:02:34 <dreimark> yes
315 2011-01-02T17:04:16 <ThomasWaldmann> i removed mercurial and rst tags
316 2011-01-02T17:04:42 <dreimark> ok, i added mercurial because of trying and patch
317 2011-01-02T17:04:50 <gh_ju> öhm my last update http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129353445492#ws10001
318 2011-01-02T17:04:51 <ThomasWaldmann> (if you only need 2 hg commands total, we can just tell them)
319 2011-01-02T17:05:00 <dreimark> yes
320 2011-01-02T17:07:20 <gh_ju> s/last/latest ^^
321 2011-01-02T17:08:02 <dreimark> gh_ju: soon
322 2011-01-02T17:08:38 <gh_ju> :)
323 2011-01-02T17:08:57 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: s/later translators/further translators/ ?
324 2011-01-02T17:09:24 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: you checked that the num param is called num?
325 2011-01-02T17:10:08 <gh_ju> i couldn't try but
326 2011-01-02T17:10:39 <gh_ju> i copied the definition above 1:1 from the source
327 2011-01-02T17:11:31 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like it is, ok
328 2011-01-02T17:11:48 <dreimark> gh_ju: what did you mean by 17:10 < gh_ju> i couldn't tr
329 2011-01-02T17:11:53 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i try importing your changesets
330 2011-01-02T17:11:54 <dreimark> why can't you
331 2011-01-02T17:12:12 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: MoinMoin/support/flaskext/babel.py
332 2011-01-02T17:13:34 <gh_ju> dreimark: i tried executing the files in _tests ...
333 2011-01-02T17:15:01 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: vv
334 2011-01-02T17:15:01 <gh_ju> i could set up a test environment by my own but that would take some time/work ^^
335 2011-01-02T17:15:46 <CIA-56> Gerhard J. <gerhard.jungwirth3@gmail.com> default * 10205:85cfcc5a8e74 2.0-dev/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Translation Project started
336 2011-01-02T17:15:46 <CIA-56> Gerhard J. <gerhard.jungwirth3@gmail.com> default * 10208:74dddf2977fa 2.0-dev/docs/devel/translate.rst: * added documentation about newstyle gettext and ngettext
337 2011-01-02T17:15:46 <CIA-56> Gerhard J. <gerhard.jungwirth3@gmail.com> default * 10206:9f553b6db71d 2.0-dev/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
338 2011-01-02T17:15:46 <CIA-56> * Updated MoinMoin.pot (./babel extract)
339 2011-01-02T17:15:46 <CIA-56> * did further translations
340 2011-01-02T17:15:47 <CIA-56> * added statistics option in babel
341 2011-01-02T17:15:47 <CIA-56> * updated documentation
342 2011-01-02T17:15:47 <CIA-56> Gerhard J. <gerhard.jungwirth3@gmail.com> default * 10207:25f48146d0e6 2.0-dev/ (3 files in 2 dirs): improved translation documentation
343 2011-01-02T17:15:48 <CIA-56> Gerhard J. <gerhard.jungwirth3@gmail.com> default * 10209:42d8cde592fb 2.0-dev/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
344 2011-01-02T17:15:48 <CIA-56> * Updated MoinMoin.pot (./babel extract)
345 2011-01-02T17:15:49 <CIA-56> * fixed german translation head
346 2011-01-02T17:15:50 <CIA-56> * corrections in the translation doc (better example of ngettext)
347 2011-01-02T17:16:22 <ThomasWaldmann> \o/
348 2011-01-02T17:16:26 <gh_ju> vv?
349 2011-01-02T17:16:33 <ThomasWaldmann> == see below
350 2011-01-02T17:16:53 <ThomasWaldmann> ^^ = see above
351 2011-01-02T17:17:23 <dreimark> gh_ju: you should be able to see it in the wiki, or ?
352 2011-01-02T17:17:43 <gh_ju> ThomasWaldmann: cool thx
353 2011-01-02T17:18:36 <gh_ju> dreimark: hmm ... what? MoinMoin/_tests ?
354 2011-01-02T17:18:55 <dreimark> no ./moin and point your browser to localhost:8080
355 2011-01-02T17:19:07 <dreimark> and tests too
356 2011-01-02T17:19:23 <dreimark> just run ./pytest from the same dir where the moin script is located
357 2011-01-02T17:21:51 <gh_ju> but where can i try a simple print _("...") and see its output
358 2011-01-02T17:26:36 <ThomasWaldmann> gh_ju: if you'ld like to really test the _ moin uses, you'ld have to run a request, so everything is initialized for flask-babel
359 2011-01-02T17:27:06 <ThomasWaldmann> but I think if that would fail, it would be rather obvious as soon as one visits moin with a "de" browser
360 2011-01-02T17:27:25 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, can i shoot those 6 new tasks?
361 2011-01-02T17:30:59 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the url i entered is correct
362 2011-01-02T17:31:30 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/EasyToDo/redesign%20theme%20footer?action=diff&rev2=13&rev1=12
363 2011-01-02T17:32:28 <dreimark> gh_ju: you can use the moin shell
364 2011-01-02T17:34:50 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i closed gh_ju's task
365 2011-01-02T17:35:22 <dreimark> i've seen the cs, it did not harm if he knows
366 2011-01-02T17:37:32 <gh_ju> ?
367 2011-01-02T17:38:47 * ThomasWaldmann shoots the 6 tasks
368 2011-01-02T17:41:29 <dreimark> gh_ju: you can do ./moin shell
369 2011-01-02T17:41:31 <dreimark> from MoinMoin import _, N_
370 2011-01-02T17:41:59 <dreimark> my current setup did not translate your strings, don't know why
371 2011-01-02T17:42:09 <dreimark> print sys.stdin.encoding,locale.getdefaultlocale()
372 2011-01-02T17:42:18 <dreimark> UTF-8 ('de_DE', 'UTF8')
373 2011-01-02T17:42:34 <dreimark> at least that is correct
374 2011-01-02T17:43:20 <gh_ju> you don't see the german texts?
375 2011-01-02T17:44:21 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, 6 new tasks in melange
376 2011-01-02T17:46:22 *** gh_ju1
377 2011-01-02T17:46:59 <dreimark> gh_ju: i look currently with the browser
378 2011-01-02T17:48:05 *** gh_ju
379 2011-01-02T17:48:09 <dreimark> twice time using the same username should tell a translated message
380 2011-01-02T17:48:39 *** gh_ju1
381 2011-01-02T17:49:08 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: de translation does not work
382 2011-01-02T17:49:14 <gh_ju> dreimark: is there a messages.mo in MoinMoin/translations/de/LC_MESSAGES ?
383 2011-01-02T17:49:40 <dreimark> gh_ju: it is
384 2011-01-02T17:49:47 <dreimark> not
385 2011-01-02T17:49:57 <gh_ju> ok thats a problem
386 2011-01-02T17:50:16 <ThomasWaldmann> needs compiling
387 2011-01-02T17:50:29 <gh_ju> we can either add it to version control or execute the compilation every time before launching the wiki
388 2011-01-02T17:50:33 <ThomasWaldmann> it's not like in 1.9
389 2011-01-02T17:50:52 <gh_ju> because there is no make-compilation
390 2011-01-02T17:51:29 <dreimark> ok, compiled
391 2011-01-02T17:52:51 <dreimark> wiki works now
392 2011-01-02T17:52:59 <dreimark> ipython shell not yet
393 2011-01-02T17:53:34 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we can solve that compiling step together with solving packaging
394 2011-01-02T17:54:37 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/improve%20the%20atom%20feed hmm, shall we post that? or is it still too vague?
395 2011-01-02T17:59:45 <dreimark> hmm, that is similiar to a bug fix task out of many smaller ones
396 2011-01-02T18:00:24 <dreimark> i think it is too late to get it done
397 2011-01-02T18:02:04 <dreimark> the suggestion part is a research task, the implemtation is the follow up
398 2011-01-02T18:07:26 *** m4k3r
399 2011-01-02T18:16:41 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129202087841 pity that this is still open
400 2011-01-02T18:20:00 *** m4k3r
401 2011-01-02T18:23:01 <dreimark> indeed
402 2011-01-02T18:25:20 <gh_ju> this sounds interresting
403 2011-01-02T18:29:30 <izibi> i could try this after the screencast. but i think i won't get it finished until tomorrow. is it possible to extend the deadline?
404 2011-01-02T18:31:09 *** m4k3r
405 2011-01-02T18:31:40 <dreimark> izibi: if we have something to review we can extend the deadline
406 2011-01-02T18:32:00 <dreimark> if you want comments it is also good to show something
407 2011-01-02T18:32:49 *** m4k3r
408 2011-01-02T18:33:09 *** NikitaUtiu
409 2011-01-02T18:35:51 <izibi> dreimark: i'll try to finish recording tomorrow and then i'll have to cut it
410 2011-01-02T18:40:51 *** maker__
411 2011-01-02T18:41:23 *** m4k3r
412 2011-01-02T18:47:24 <dreimark> ok
413 2011-01-02T18:47:27 <dreimark> bbl
414 2011-01-02T19:51:59 <izibi> screencasting sucks. always new problems. i think i'll look for a programming task :/
415 2011-01-02T19:54:08 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: can't help much with that, but you maybe could ask other students doing screencasts
416 2011-01-02T20:05:57 <izibi> "net::ERR_UNSAFE_PORT" chromium sucks...
417 2011-01-02T20:08:36 <izibi> is it normal that starting moin takes quite long?
418 2011-01-02T20:08:59 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: for moin2 yes
419 2011-01-02T20:10:17 <ThomasWaldmann> it preloads backend, is not optimized for quick startup, lots of stuff was moved from per-request init to startup
420 2011-01-02T20:10:31 <ThomasWaldmann> builds index, ...
421 2011-01-02T20:13:50 <ThomasWaldmann> after the timers task is finished, we can add some timers and see how to make it quicker
422 2011-01-02T20:16:02 *** greg_f
423 2011-01-02T20:16:06 <izibi> i think i'll do this task: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129398637566
424 2011-01-02T20:17:27 *** skylamer`
425 2011-01-02T20:18:21 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: great :) a little bit of something related is currently still being worked on by another student (the timers display), but you could start planning (and just ignoring timers display).
426 2011-01-02T20:19:18 <izibi> what is "timers display"?
427 2011-01-02T20:19:25 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe plan first, get a clear picture of what you/we want first. it might be that when you start coding, the timers stuff is merged then.
428 2011-01-02T20:19:42 <ThomasWaldmann> show_timings = True
429 2011-01-02T20:19:58 <ThomasWaldmann> it displays some timing values in the footer then
430 2011-01-02T20:20:11 <ThomasWaldmann> but that is currently being moved from footer to log output
431 2011-01-02T20:20:30 <izibi> like rendering time?
432 2011-01-02T20:20:37 <ThomasWaldmann> for example
433 2011-01-02T20:24:42 <izibi> first i have to understand how this works at all :D
434 2011-01-02T20:24:58 <ThomasWaldmann> look into layout.html
435 2011-01-02T20:27:01 <ThomasWaldmann> you can ignore the clocks/timing stuff below html_after_footer
436 2011-01-02T20:27:45 <izibi> no, i was playing around with wikiconfig_local.py which gave me some nice tracebacks ;)
437 2011-01-02T20:28:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you need to put those lines into it as directed by wikiconfig.py comments
438 2011-01-02T20:28:21 *** Samm
439 2011-01-02T20:29:25 <ThomasWaldmann> then just grep for "footer" in the templates and also see the "moin-pagebottom" stuff in show.html
440 2011-01-02T20:30:28 <ThomasWaldmann> we need a nice concept first, though
441 2011-01-02T20:30:54 <ThomasWaldmann> should it be all in a template?
442 2011-01-02T20:31:31 <ThomasWaldmann> should it be a list of key/value items rendered by a template?
443 2011-01-02T20:31:57 <ThomasWaldmann> how to deal with html / links?
444 2011-01-02T20:32:32 <ThomasWaldmann> how is it configurable?
445 2011-01-02T20:33:41 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to stick closely to how it is now, if you can create something more easy, more flexible, more powerful, that would be what we really want. :)
446 2011-01-02T20:35:00 <izibi> let's take look at the current code first. didn't play with moin for a while ;)
447 2011-01-02T20:35:40 *** Guest77455
448 2011-01-02T20:36:24 <ThomasWaldmann> it's very different now anyway
449 2011-01-02T20:38:20 <izibi> looks much better than what i remember :D
450 2011-01-02T20:39:00 <ThomasWaldmann> we worked hard on destroying evil stuff :D
451 2011-01-02T20:40:26 *** Guest77455
452 2011-01-02T20:40:26 *** Guest77455
453 2011-01-02T20:40:29 *** Guest77455
454 2011-01-02T20:41:55 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: btw, do you use mercurial?
455 2011-01-02T20:42:22 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: looks good
456 2011-01-02T20:42:23 *** rfw
457 2011-01-02T20:42:32 *** rfw
458 2011-01-02T20:42:41 *** rfw
459 2011-01-02T20:42:43 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: hah, latency :)
460 2011-01-02T20:42:49 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: of course i do ;)
461 2011-01-02T20:43:42 <izibi> so first #moin-pageinfo should be moved to #moin-footer?
462 2011-01-02T20:44:52 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that would be a good start
463 2011-01-02T20:45:02 <ThomasWaldmann> it looked so ugly we had to hide it
464 2011-01-02T20:46:16 <izibi> how does the theme system work? the html is in MoinMoin/templates and the css in MoinMoin/themes/<name>/?
465 2011-01-02T20:46:33 <izibi> can the html be overwritten in a theme?
466 2011-01-02T20:48:51 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc a theme could have a templates/ folder
467 2011-01-02T20:49:48 <ThomasWaldmann> but your task relates to the "builtin" templates
468 2011-01-02T20:55:21 <izibi> "modify css as needed" and the css files ;)
469 2011-01-02T20:57:09 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, the css is in the theme
470 2011-01-02T21:04:58 *** ronny
471 2011-01-02T21:05:24 <ronny> moin
472 2011-01-02T21:09:33 <ThomasWaldmann> wb ronny
473 2011-01-02T21:28:17 *** achshar
474 2011-01-02T21:29:00 <achshar> hello everybody.. http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037971303
475 2011-01-02T21:29:06 <achshar> i am intrsted in this task
476 2011-01-02T21:30:39 <achshar> my knowledge includes html, js, css, php, mysql and some basic moin markup
477 2011-01-02T21:30:52 <achshar> am i eligible ofr this?
478 2011-01-02T21:32:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you rather want to take the moin markup documentation task then?
479 2011-01-02T21:32:28 <achshar> oh can you give me the url.. i can have a look at it.. :)
480 2011-01-02T21:32:39 <ThomasWaldmann> (docbook is rather special and quite a lot, so if you have no docbook experience...)
481 2011-01-02T21:32:55 <achshar> hmm i understand..
482 2011-01-02T21:33:32 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037971005
483 2011-01-02T21:36:48 <achshar> the task look good but maybe as you said it will be easy if i know .rst.. so i am looking at .rst first..
484 2011-01-02T21:37:15 <achshar> btw can you give me some source where from i can get the currently used markups..
485 2011-01-02T21:37:33 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there were such tasks already done, see our repo
486 2011-01-02T21:37:59 <achshar> repo?
487 2011-01-02T21:39:06 <achshar> what and where is it? sorry but i am kind of a newbi :(
488 2011-01-02T21:39:43 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: first try: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-01-02-213722_976x110_scrot.png
489 2011-01-02T21:40:35 <izibi> should i also modify the editbar?
490 2011-01-02T21:41:23 <diofeher> happy new year :)
491 2011-01-02T21:41:37 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/tip/docs/user
492 2011-01-02T21:41:54 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: 2u2 :)
493 2011-01-02T21:42:30 <achshar> thanks :D and yeah happy new year everybody :)
494 2011-01-02T21:46:15 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann, tks ^^
495 2011-01-02T21:46:29 <diofeher> can i help in something?
496 2011-01-02T21:46:33 <diofeher> achshar, :D
497 2011-01-02T21:46:58 <achshar> :)
498 2011-01-02T21:47:14 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: so my task would be to create a .rst something like this? http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/42d8cde592fb/docs/user/creolewiki.rst
499 2011-01-02T21:48:24 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
500 2011-01-02T21:48:38 <ThomasWaldmann> just describing moin wiki markup
501 2011-01-02T21:49:16 <ThomasWaldmann> you should use one of the existing files as templates, so structure and examples are mostly equivalent
502 2011-01-02T21:49:33 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: cool i think i can do it.. and the markup
503 2011-01-02T21:50:15 <achshar> just one last question for now.. what markup do i have to document, like do i have to document http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax
504 2011-01-02T21:50:59 <achshar> like what is the markup that has to be worked over..?
505 2011-01-02T21:51:30 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that's the 1.9 help page
506 2011-01-02T21:51:41 <ThomasWaldmann> you have to verify it for moin2, though
507 2011-01-02T21:51:59 <ThomasWaldmann> and put MOINTODO tags if you find something not working
508 2011-01-02T21:52:01 <achshar> so i will have to have a locak\l moin2 instalation too right?
509 2011-01-02T21:52:09 <achshar> local*
510 2011-01-02T21:57:02 <achshar> or can i check it online.. if the moin website has an installation of moin2
511 2011-01-02T21:57:15 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
512 2011-01-02T21:58:00 <achshar> oh thanks.. :) thanks i am claiming it now :D
513 2011-01-02T21:58:07 <ThomasWaldmann> http://static.moinmo.in/files/moin-2.0-dev.tar.bz2 you can dl that for a quick start
514 2011-01-02T21:58:30 <ThomasWaldmann> and then use hg pull -u for updating it (mercurial)
515 2011-01-02T21:59:12 <achshar> will i need some local server too? like xampp or wampp
516 2011-01-02T22:01:07 <achshar> 220 mb will take some time on my 512 connection :O
517 2011-01-02T22:04:06 <ThomasWaldmann> no, you can just start "moin" from the toplevel dir
518 2011-01-02T22:04:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and downloading the tar.bz2 will be faster than using hg to clone
519 2011-01-02T22:04:57 <achshar> hmm that's perfect.. will see you in couple of hours when the dl completes :)
520 2011-01-02T22:05:38 <achshar> what was your timezone btw? if you remember i did two other tasks for moin earlier..
521 2011-01-02T22:05:52 <achshar> mine is india, +5.5
522 2011-01-02T22:07:32 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: "stuff in moin-pagebottom is just a few bits from current revision metadata formatted in a nice way - can we generalize this? do we want?" <-- what metadata is available? what's exactly meant by generalizing?
523 2011-01-02T22:08:49 <ThomasWaldmann> utv+1
524 2011-01-02T22:08:53 <ThomasWaldmann> utc+1
525 2011-01-02T22:09:01 <achshar> cool :)
526 2011-01-02T22:09:34 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: see /+meta/SomePage
527 2011-01-02T22:16:49 <izibi> and what do you want to display in the footer besides the last edit?
528 2011-01-02T22:17:32 <ThomasWaldmann> other metadata from the shown revision?
529 2011-01-02T22:17:53 <ThomasWaldmann> could be the bytesize, sha1, whatever :)
530 2011-01-02T22:18:32 <ThomasWaldmann> and in fact it doesn't need to be the "last edit", it is just the metadata for the revision shown, can be any revision
531 2011-01-02T22:19:26 <ThomasWaldmann> generalizing means giving all meta to it, so all is easily accessible to be shown. not necessarily everything will be shown, of course.
532 2011-01-02T22:20:20 <izibi> how do you want to realize this? add a config option? use a special template file?
533 2011-01-02T22:21:02 <ThomasWaldmann> thinking about that is part of your task :)
534 2011-01-02T22:21:55 <ThomasWaldmann> either a template file, or a template string, or some data structure given to the template...
535 2011-01-02T22:23:02 <izibi> depends on how customizeable this should be
536 2011-01-02T22:23:48 <izibi> i'd use a template file for this
537 2011-01-02T22:24:17 <izibi> which gets all the meta data of the current page
538 2011-01-02T22:25:01 <izibi> this will give the most flexbibilty as you can use conditions and loops and so on
539 2011-01-02T22:26:06 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, in show.html, you have "rev", which is the revision shown
540 2011-01-02T22:26:32 *** grzywacz
541 2011-01-02T22:27:19 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, keep in mind that not every view is somehow showing an item. e.g. the global index is not related to some item revision.
542 2011-01-02T22:28:02 <ThomasWaldmann> so, the footer stuff should be 2 parts at least: item rev metadata, other stuff
543 2011-01-02T22:29:57 <izibi> at the moment this is how the footer block looks in the show.html http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313367/
544 2011-01-02T22:30:50 <izibi> using a seperate template file for the meta would just mean to replace everything inside the {% if rev %} with a include
545 2011-01-02T22:32:32 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, you can do that when you're finished with the basic stuff
546 2011-01-02T22:34:02 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do not call it "last edit"
547 2011-01-02T22:34:40 <ThomasWaldmann> that's how it was called in the past, but if it shows a non-current revision, that is simply not true
548 2011-01-02T22:37:38 <izibi> btw what is this interwiki stuff for?
549 2011-01-02T22:38:19 <ThomasWaldmann> it is if you run a wiki farm (bunch of wikis), it tells the name of the wiki also, not just the item name
550 2011-01-02T22:38:50 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. MoinMoin:FrontPage vs. MoinMaster:FrontPage
551 2011-01-02T22:39:24 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it could be something like:
552 2011-01-02T22:40:13 <ThomasWaldmann> MoinMoin:Frontpage (rev X), modified 2010-12-31 23:59:00 by Joe Doe.
553 2011-01-02T22:43:13 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, and maybe that link to show_item for that revision is a bit superfluous, because we are likely seeing just that when that footer is shown anyway
554 2011-01-02T22:45:12 <izibi> maybe link to the history?
555 2011-01-02T22:45:44 <ThomasWaldmann> see editbar
556 2011-01-02T23:10:44 <izibi> is there some documentation of all available config options?
557 2011-01-02T23:13:55 <ThomasWaldmann> config/default.py
558 2011-01-02T23:14:28 <ThomasWaldmann> why are you asking?
559 2011-01-02T23:16:23 <izibi> because of the credits line
560 2011-01-02T23:19:46 <izibi> maybe we can make the footer even more flexible. so that you can configure what should be shown and in which order
561 2011-01-02T23:20:16 <ThomasWaldmann> you are not required to keep credits configuration option if you can do it better / more flexible
562 2011-01-02T23:20:59 <izibi> i just wanted to see how its currently done ;)
563 2011-01-02T23:21:01 <ThomasWaldmann> (but please keep those links as you see in credits default value)
564 2011-01-02T23:26:19 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: btw, remember clean changesets :)
565 2011-01-02T23:27:45 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: maybe make the footer configurable like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313395/
566 2011-01-02T23:31:26 <ThomasWaldmann> no timings
567 2011-01-02T23:31:37 <ThomasWaldmann> and you'ld need i18n
568 2011-01-02T23:32:08 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just a template would be easier, not sure
569 2011-01-02T23:34:10 <dreimark> re
570 2011-01-02T23:34:21 <izibi> wb
571 2011-01-02T23:34:34 <dreimark> moin diofeher
572 2011-01-02T23:38:48 <dreimark> izibi: can you add your screencast schedule to a subpage of http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/screencast%20of%20using%20mercurial%20%28linux%29
573 2011-01-02T23:39:01 <dreimark> so it don't become lost
574 2011-01-02T23:45:00 *** aa_
575 2011-01-02T23:45:02 *** vpv
576 2011-01-02T23:45:02 *** rfw
577 2011-01-02T23:45:03 *** Kapace_
578 2011-01-02T23:45:04 *** Samm
579 2011-01-02T23:45:05 *** ChanServ
580 2011-01-02T23:45:08 *** eSyr_
581 2011-01-02T23:45:08 *** waldi
582 2011-01-02T23:45:09 *** maker__
583 2011-01-02T23:45:10 *** valeuf
584 2011-01-02T23:45:11 *** }neb1{
585 2011-01-02T23:45:11 *** xjjk
586 2011-01-02T23:45:12 *** ronny
587 2011-01-02T23:45:12 *** franklin
588 2011-01-02T23:45:13 *** izibi
589 2011-01-02T23:45:13 *** achshar
590 2011-01-02T23:45:14 *** kennym
591 2011-01-02T23:45:16 *** xorAxAx
592 2011-01-02T23:45:17 *** ThomasWaldmann
593 2011-01-02T23:45:19 *** diofeher
594 2011-01-02T23:45:21 *** CIA-56
595 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** achshar
596 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** rfw
597 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** Samm
598 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** maker__
599 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** }neb1{
600 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** izibi
601 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** kennym
602 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** xjjk
603 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** ThomasWaldmann
604 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** eSyr_
605 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** aa_
606 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** Kapace_
607 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** waldi
608 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** ChanServ
609 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** valeuf
610 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** CIA-56
611 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** xorAxAx
612 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** vpv
613 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** diofeher
614 2011-01-02T23:46:04 *** barjavel.freenode.net
615 2011-01-02T23:46:53 *** ronny
616 2011-01-02T23:46:53 *** franklin
617 2011-01-02T23:50:42 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: is there an easy way to overwrite template files or do you have to create a new theme?
618 2011-01-02T23:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> one can maybe use some specific template loader, not sure if we have that yet
619 2011-01-02T23:52:45 <ThomasWaldmann> one that looks first at some specific place before looking elsewhere
620 2011-01-02T23:53:10 <ThomasWaldmann> and that mixes well with flask-theme :)
621 2011-01-02T23:53:38 <ThomasWaldmann> but maybe care about that at the end, first clean it up in the builtin templates
622 2011-01-02T23:54:43 *** aa_
623 2011-01-02T23:54:44 *** vpv
624 2011-01-02T23:54:45 *** ronny
625 2011-01-02T23:54:45 *** franklin
626 2011-01-02T23:56:47 <izibi> should i also modify the editbar?
627 2011-01-02T23:57:07 <ThomasWaldmann> how?
628 2011-01-02T23:58:25 <izibi> i don't know. just asking ;)
629 2011-01-02T23:58:34 <ThomasWaldmann> no :)
630 2011-01-02T23:58:50 *** vpv
631 2011-01-02T23:59:10 *** aa_
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