1 2012-06-09T00:04:35 *** MattMaker
2 2012-06-09T00:11:29 *** MattMaker
3 2012-06-09T00:28:51 *** yufra_
4 2012-06-09T00:36:06 *** sudo_dirk
5 2012-06-09T00:36:06 *** betelgeuse_
6 2012-06-09T00:36:07 *** yufra
7 2012-06-09T00:44:15 *** sudo_dirk
8 2012-06-09T00:49:41 *** dcramer__
9 2012-06-09T00:53:24 *** spy
10 2012-06-09T00:53:34 *** betelgeuse_
11 2012-06-09T00:58:37 *** RogerHaase
12 2012-06-09T01:22:19 *** DasIch-m
13 2012-06-09T03:39:16 *** sudo_dirk1
14 2012-06-09T03:40:34 *** sudo_dirk
15 2012-06-09T04:05:00 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ah, sorry :(
16 2012-06-09T04:07:26 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i've been busy preparing for the exams and will get to speed after Jun. 15th (that's when my "big" exams finish)
17 2012-06-09T04:07:57 <xiaq> i have done some work on the metadata editor though. will send on cr soon
18 2012-06-09T04:22:26 *** dcramer__
19 2012-06-09T04:35:38 *** dcramer__
20 2012-06-09T04:35:54 *** MattMaker
21 2012-06-09T04:51:58 <xiaq> hm... +convert seems to be a stub
22 2012-06-09T04:52:00 <xiaq> or is it??
23 2012-06-09T04:55:00 <xiaq> doesn't support +<rev>/<itemname>
24 2012-06-09T04:55:09 <xiaq> also _convert is only implemented in DocBook
25 2012-06-09T04:56:14 <xiaq> http://test.moinmo.in/+convert/Home?contenttype=text/html results in "impossible to convert" - expected since Binary._convert is a stub, and MoinWiki._convert is not yet implemented
26 2012-06-09T05:34:42 <xiaq> On cr: Metadata editor, plus small refactor of apps.frontend.views
27 2012-06-09T05:34:48 <xiaq> http://codereview.appspot.com/6304060
28 2012-06-09T05:34:53 <xiaq> Please review! :)
29 2012-06-09T05:34:55 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
30 2012-06-09T05:34:57 <xiaq> dreimark: ^^
31 2012-06-09T05:35:20 <xiaq> not yet finished, but it's the framework i'm laying out
32 2012-06-09T05:35:59 <xiaq> (previous comment referred to the metadata editor part)
33 2012-06-09T05:36:59 <xiaq> as for the refactor of apps.frontend.views - yeah it should be a separate cr issue, but i haven't figured out how to split with upload.py and/or hg
34 2012-06-09T05:42:47 <bretonium> I'd suggest not to do it during gsoc
35 2012-06-09T05:43:19 <bretonium> because we all need to change something there and it'll be rather painfull for everyone to adapt
36 2012-06-09T05:51:07 <xiaq> bretonium: what if it's easier to adapt to new pattern rather than following the old pattern :)
37 2012-06-09T05:52:28 <xiaq> and code that affects everyone will be merged after gsoc i suppose...
38 2012-06-09T05:53:02 <xiaq> everyone just base their work on what moin2 repo looks like just before gsoc
39 2012-06-09T07:39:24 *** DasIch
40 2012-06-09T10:08:13 *** spy
41 2012-06-09T10:22:07 *** DasIch-m
42 2012-06-09T10:23:50 *** DasIch-m
43 2012-06-09T11:10:47 *** greg_f
44 2012-06-09T13:15:13 *** DasIch-m
45 2012-06-09T13:18:52 <DasIch-m> ThomasWaldmann: I don't think I will be able to attend the meeting. Could we have a one on one on Monday instead?
46 2012-06-09T13:37:14 *** DasIch-m
47 2012-06-09T13:47:03 <dreimark> moin
48 2012-06-09T13:50:23 <xiaq> moin
49 2012-06-09T13:50:53 <dreimark> in that case testwiki has the same problem than local one
50 2012-06-09T13:51:44 <dreimark> usually it is not on same revision than development
51 2012-06-09T13:52:56 <xiaq> dreimark: care to review the code i published on cr? :)
52 2012-06-09T13:54:06 <dreimark> xiaq: yes
53 2012-06-09T13:54:08 <dreimark> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/CrecordExtension
54 2012-06-09T13:54:39 <dreimark> xiaq: i just thought i look that first up https://bitbucket.org/edgimar/crecord/wiki/Home
55 2012-06-09T13:55:47 * xiaq going learn it
56 2012-06-09T13:56:01 <xiaq> seems like a tui for mq?
57 2012-06-09T14:03:42 <dreimark> it is heavily based on it - yes and the gui is helpful
58 2012-06-09T14:08:29 <dreimark> xiaq: have you an image how that meta editor looks lik?
59 2012-06-09T14:08:31 <xiaq> aha support for hjkl gives me a fuzzy warm feeling :)
60 2012-06-09T14:10:20 <xiaq> not very good - i haven't css'ed it yet
61 2012-06-09T14:10:21 <xiaq> http://omni.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/~xiaq/moin2-metadata-editor.png
62 2012-06-09T14:10:58 <xiaq> not much to look i think :) i have only implemented the <input> widget...
63 2012-06-09T14:11:47 <xiaq> what i'd like to hear is comments on the code organization
64 2012-06-09T14:13:31 <dreimark> have you talked to jek about the "
65 2012-06-09T14:13:46 <dreimark> When flattening a form, Flatland uses the full path as element"
66 2012-06-09T14:15:48 <xiaq> yeah i asked on #discorporate
67 2012-06-09T14:16:08 <xiaq> jek wasn't there but alexmorega answered my question
68 2012-06-09T14:16:23 <xiaq> one approach is to flatten and strip the prefix manually
69 2012-06-09T14:16:43 <xiaq> another is to copy-init the sub-element so as to detach it from its parent
70 2012-06-09T14:17:04 <xiaq> which is the approach i took - there is some comments in the code too
71 2012-06-09T14:19:01 <xiaq> i went through flatland doc and source - and there seems no direct way to generate "relative names"
72 2012-06-09T14:19:20 <xiaq> (when flatenning)
73 2012-06-09T14:19:51 <xiaq> the copy-init can be some overhead, but it results in much cleaner code :)
74 2012-06-09T14:20:00 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
75 2012-06-09T14:20:25 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: moin - care to review my code?
76 2012-06-09T14:20:28 *** dcramer__
77 2012-06-09T14:32:18 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: i am beginning with it, but maybe will take until after the meeting
78 2012-06-09T14:33:32 * dreimark adds currently comments
79 2012-06-09T14:34:09 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: alright
80 2012-06-09T14:34:23 * xiaq checks inbox
81 2012-06-09T14:34:52 <bretonium> err
82 2012-06-09T14:35:02 <bretonium> the meeting is already started?
83 2012-06-09T14:35:37 <xiaq> bretonium: not yet
84 2012-06-09T14:36:54 *** jaiditya
85 2012-06-09T14:54:30 <ThomasWaldmann> anyone needing a earlier/later time for his meeting slot?
86 2012-06-09T14:55:30 *** DasIch-m
87 2012-06-09T14:56:07 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: link to your repo from your wiki page
88 2012-06-09T14:56:48 *** DasIch-m
89 2012-06-09T14:58:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, meeting time
90 2012-06-09T14:58:17 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: please begin
91 2012-06-09T14:58:26 <bretonium> LAST: etherpad mostly; digging thru indexing and storing code.
92 2012-06-09T14:58:27 <eSyr-ng> moin
93 2012-06-09T14:58:27 <bretonium> BLOCKERS: exams
94 2012-06-09T14:58:30 <bretonium> NEXT: code branches - storages, indexes; adding, removal of branches (in backend part, no ui yet)
95 2012-06-09T14:59:36 <ThomasWaldmann> you had exams the last week?
96 2012-06-09T14:59:55 <bretonium> preparation for them started
97 2012-06-09T15:00:49 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: moin. I'd like to have an early slot if possible
98 2012-06-09T15:01:19 <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe as a general note for all students: how you manage your time is up to you, but you need to allocate enough time to you SOC project
99 2012-06-09T15:02:21 <eSyr-ng> btw, it's handy to note all the exam time and days you want to use for preparation to them in the calendar in advance.
100 2012-06-09T15:02:32 <ThomasWaldmann> your mentors will have to do a midterm and a final review of your stuff and tell if you communicated and worked enough on it
101 2012-06-09T15:02:34 <eSyr-ng> *all the exams' dates
102 2012-06-09T15:02:50 <ThomasWaldmann> enough means enough quantity and enough quality
103 2012-06-09T15:02:56 <eSyr-ng> (if it haven't done already)
104 2012-06-09T15:03:50 <dreimark> on the main diary page
105 2012-06-09T15:03:53 <ThomasWaldmann> if your project is not coming forward and there is the impression that it is just because you did not put enough effort into it, you'll fail the review
106 2012-06-09T15:05:01 <eSyr-ng> one additional note regarding calendar maintaining: use h1 for summary of stuff written in diery pages, so it can be easily overviewed with hovering mouse over these days in calendar.
107 2012-06-09T15:05:04 <ThomasWaldmann> if your project has some troubles due to technical or fundamental issues, BUT you put a lot effort into it, you have a good chance to NOT fail
108 2012-06-09T15:05:57 <eSyr-ng> (not fail as gsoc project participation)
109 2012-06-09T15:06:09 <eSyr-ng> *gsoc project student
110 2012-06-09T15:06:16 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
111 2012-06-09T15:07:29 <bretonium> ok.
112 2012-06-09T15:07:44 <ThomasWaldmann> so, the usual advice is "work regularly, stay connected" and don't do "last minute stuff" before some deadline, we won't be impressed by that
113 2012-06-09T15:08:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (and it usually doesn't work anyway)
114 2012-06-09T15:08:29 <ThomasWaldmann> as I said, these notes are for ALL students
115 2012-06-09T15:08:42 <eSyr-ng> well, not impressed but not much work can be done at the last minute.
116 2012-06-09T15:09:04 <ThomasWaldmann> 3 weeks over, 4 weeks left until midterm reviews
117 2012-06-09T15:09:38 <ThomasWaldmann> so you all need to significantly speed up and get more stuff done as you did until now
118 2012-06-09T15:09:52 <bretonium> got it.
119 2012-06-09T15:10:13 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: in your special case: some stuff is already clear on the EP, so you could do some TDD
120 2012-06-09T15:10:40 <bretonium> Will start from tomorrow.
121 2012-06-09T15:11:14 <eSyr-ng> jaiditya: bretonium: MaikuMori: spy: xiaq: if you have some exams, exams preparations or other stuff during project lifetime, please put it into calendar (with appropriate h1 heading) in advance so there would be no questions related to this anymore.
122 2012-06-09T15:11:14 <ThomasWaldmann> like writing correct tests first, following the specification and then make them succeed.
123 2012-06-09T15:11:29 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: no
124 2012-06-09T15:11:42 <eSyr-ng> why?
125 2012-06-09T15:11:45 <ThomasWaldmann> i'ld like to have calendar day contents to be soc only
126 2012-06-09T15:11:59 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have other stuff, but it BELOW the calendar
127 2012-06-09T15:12:02 <xiaq> eSyr-ng: i put a note above my calendar at http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012/IssueTracker
128 2012-06-09T15:12:11 <eSyr-ng> well, ok.
129 2012-06-09T15:12:36 <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise there will be a wrong impression when looking at the calendars
130 2012-06-09T15:12:52 <dreimark> we had that discussion already two meetings ago
131 2012-06-09T15:12:55 <eSyr-ng> well, i'd like to see all calendar red.
132 2012-06-09T15:13:10 <eSyr-ng> ok, i see.
133 2012-06-09T15:13:11 <ThomasWaldmann> then we disagree :)
134 2012-06-09T15:13:21 <eSyr-ng> sorry.
135 2012-06-09T15:13:56 <ThomasWaldmann> we need to primarily know what the student did for soc, other stuff is only secondarily interesting
136 2012-06-09T15:14:09 <dreimark> I didn't mind if there is a secondary calendar
137 2012-06-09T15:14:24 <dreimark> but text is also fine
138 2012-06-09T15:14:31 <ThomasWaldmann> but we can discuss calendar stuff afterwards
139 2012-06-09T15:14:36 <eSyr-ng> of course.
140 2012-06-09T15:14:49 <dreimark> and yes we need to count and answer lots of questions regarding work
141 2012-06-09T15:14:59 <dreimark> compared to fulltime work
142 2012-06-09T15:15:27 <ThomasWaldmann> anything from/to bretonium ?
143 2012-06-09T15:15:54 <ThomasWaldmann> (we talked a lot on EP, so nothing from me)
144 2012-06-09T15:16:02 <dreimark> bretonium: what is now NEXT
145 2012-06-09T15:16:49 <bretonium> err
146 2012-06-09T15:17:01 <ThomasWaldmann> i think he can do what he said, the TDD stuff was just a how-to-do-that note from me
147 2012-06-09T15:17:04 <bretonium> NEXT: code branches - storages, indexes; adding, removal of branches (in backend part, no ui yet)
148 2012-06-09T15:18:07 <dreimark> you repeated the line from above
149 2012-06-09T15:18:16 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, jaiditya please prepare
150 2012-06-09T15:18:33 <dreimark> for which of them do you work on writing tests?
151 2012-06-09T15:18:58 <dreimark> or is that the mening of code branches -?
152 2012-06-09T15:18:59 <bretonium> now on none. First - on new indexes.
153 2012-06-09T15:19:25 <bretonium> code branches == code storages, indexes and other stuff mentioned
154 2012-06-09T15:19:32 <ThomasWaldmann> (I think there should be tests for all)
155 2012-06-09T15:19:49 <dreimark> ok, so we see some practcal work the next days?
156 2012-06-09T15:19:50 <bretonium> > first
157 2012-06-09T15:20:07 <bretonium> I hope so.
158 2012-06-09T15:20:13 <dreimark> ok
159 2012-06-09T15:20:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks bretonium, jaiditya is next
160 2012-06-09T15:20:32 <jaiditya> LAST: Styling of forms, usersettings and global index page.
161 2012-06-09T15:20:33 <jaiditya> BLOCKERS: None
162 2012-06-09T15:20:33 <jaiditya> NEXT: Complete content styling of foobar theme.
163 2012-06-09T15:21:50 <jaiditya> I completed the usersettings page just now. This is how it looks. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/foobar_usersettings.jpg
164 2012-06-09T15:22:18 <xiaq> jaiditya: wow looks nice
165 2012-06-09T15:22:21 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ^^
166 2012-06-09T15:22:35 <jaiditya> xiaq: thanks :)
167 2012-06-09T15:22:49 <dreimark> jaiditya: :)
168 2012-06-09T15:23:19 <dreimark> can you give a list for "Complete content styling" is that on the EP?
169 2012-06-09T15:23:32 <ThomasWaldmann> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/foobar_usersettings.jpg you are planning to make those forms looking better?
170 2012-06-09T15:24:08 <jaiditya> yeah
171 2012-06-09T15:24:55 <jaiditya> dreimark: not the complete list is on ep . As whatever doesn't looks good to me I change it
172 2012-06-09T15:25:25 <ThomasWaldmann> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/foobar_popup.jpg when does that popup appear exactly?
173 2012-06-09T15:26:48 <jaiditya> when u click on "New item" in Actions
174 2012-06-09T15:27:05 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, good idea to use the right panel for the user settings sub-dialogues
175 2012-06-09T15:27:32 <dreimark> jaiditya: http://designshack.net/articles/10-css-form-examples
176 2012-06-09T15:27:56 <dreimark> e.g. No.5
177 2012-06-09T15:27:57 <eSyr-ng> jaiditya: sorry, /me completely misses all previous discussion, but is there some concept of div hierarchy so theme would be easily customizable and styleble by 3rd party?
178 2012-06-09T15:29:21 <jaiditya> eSyr-ng: yeah...
179 2012-06-09T15:29:30 <dreimark> (just an example)
180 2012-06-09T15:29:33 <eSyr-ng> (for ex., form should have this and this tyle, and form field this and this, and field label this, this and this)
181 2012-06-09T15:30:35 <eSyr-ng> jaiditya: ok, good, just couldn't figure it out from ep.
182 2012-06-09T15:31:08 <ThomasWaldmann> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/index-page.jpg so < that was superceded by the popup?
183 2012-06-09T15:32:20 <jaiditya> yeah. Dis was before popups were styled.
184 2012-06-09T15:32:35 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: jaiditya: btw, i don't see much communication between you two. can you give some estimate about the weekly time you both communicate somehow?
185 2012-06-09T15:34:01 <ThomasWaldmann> and your impression whether that is too little / quite right / too much?
186 2012-06-09T15:35:18 <jaiditya> till now we have communicated very less only when I needed some help
187 2012-06-09T15:36:23 <ThomasWaldmann> so, did it work when you needed help?
188 2012-06-09T15:37:29 <ThomasWaldmann> (I just think we should talk about such stuff early, it is a little late if issues come up in midterm/final review)
189 2012-06-09T15:37:29 <jaiditya> yeah..but it would be good if I get some feedbacks from him regularly
190 2012-06-09T15:37:48 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ^^
191 2012-06-09T15:38:09 <jaiditya> as I post regularly on diary entry
192 2012-06-09T15:38:25 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like dasich is not with as (as announced)
193 2012-06-09T15:38:33 <ThomasWaldmann> us*
194 2012-06-09T15:38:59 <ThomasWaldmann> anything more for/from jaiditya ?
195 2012-06-09T15:39:12 <jaiditya> no
196 2012-06-09T15:39:13 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: please prepare
197 2012-06-09T15:39:45 <dreimark> no
198 2012-06-09T15:40:19 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: btw, if we can make sure there is no regression, we can merge your stuff now and then
199 2012-06-09T15:40:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks jaiditya, xiaq your stage :)
200 2012-06-09T15:40:40 <xiaq> LAST: began implementation of metadata editor (already uploaded to cr), read quite some code along the way (again, not much really, since i'm busy prepairing for exams)
201 2012-06-09T15:40:43 <xiaq> BLOCKER: none - or exams if that counts :)
202 2012-06-09T15:40:45 <xiaq> NEXT: (hopefully) finish the metadata editor and implementing +ticket
203 2012-06-09T15:42:04 <ThomasWaldmann> (quick note about DasIch: only 1 day with calendar entry last week "started coding", but not much visible. see my comments above...)
204 2012-06-09T15:42:17 * dreimark had a phonecall
205 2012-06-09T15:42:21 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i have 2 now :D
206 2012-06-09T15:43:40 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: your changes look quite good. not sure if the decorators pay out in the end, but we can try (depends a bit on how regular and same-way stuff will be)
207 2012-06-09T15:44:20 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah - and the code is actually shorter using the decorator.
208 2012-06-09T15:44:28 <dreimark> for me the wrapping part sounds to hackish
209 2012-06-09T15:44:48 <ThomasWaldmann> your metadata editing is currently separate - is that just for development reasons or do you plan separate editors for md/d?
210 2012-06-09T15:44:57 <xiaq> dreimark: maybe introduce decorator library to make thing looks better...
211 2012-06-09T15:45:09 *** bilal
212 2012-06-09T15:45:28 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: not decided yet - though i tend to have unified md/d editor in the end
213 2012-06-09T15:46:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, sounds good
214 2012-06-09T15:46:14 <xiaq> dreimark: seems decorator has to be written that way though (if not using some sugar libraries...)
215 2012-06-09T15:46:17 <ThomasWaldmann> there are some more minor comments from me on CR
216 2012-06-09T15:46:25 *** bilal
217 2012-06-09T15:46:30 *** kanha_
218 2012-06-09T15:46:34 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, will reply after the meeting
219 2012-06-09T15:46:57 *** kanha
220 2012-06-09T15:47:15 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can you look on some of my comments too please
221 2012-06-09T15:47:21 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: btw, make sure the html that comes out is valid if you do changes (or at least not having regressions)
222 2012-06-09T15:47:39 <ThomasWaldmann> valid like in html5 validator being happy with it
223 2012-06-09T15:47:40 <dreimark> the longish one in meta_form
224 2012-06-09T15:47:47 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: alright
225 2012-06-09T15:48:21 <ThomasWaldmann> (when asking for review, ALWAYS give a url)
226 2012-06-09T15:48:23 <dreimark> i think we should have a way to get the right widget from a given meta entry
227 2012-06-09T15:48:30 <dreimark> http://codereview.appspot.com/6304060/diff/11002/MoinMoin/templates/meta_form.html?context=10&column_width=60
228 2012-06-09T15:48:49 <dreimark> without hardcoding the type somewhere
229 2012-06-09T15:48:51 <xiaq> dreimark: yes - and macro widget is a dispatcher, actually
230 2012-06-09T15:49:31 <dreimark> so we can have an alias for widget_acl to widget_text unless wwe have the best widget for it
231 2012-06-09T15:49:45 <dreimark> s/unless/until
232 2012-06-09T15:50:07 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, i think that is the idea, it is just at the beginning still
233 2012-06-09T15:50:47 <xiaq> also i created meta_form.html because forms.html doesn't assume rendering hints in the Flatland elements
234 2012-06-09T15:51:17 <xiaq> i think we can do in the meta_form.html way, taking hints from the Flatland elements, instead of specifying which widget to use every time
235 2012-06-09T15:51:39 <xiaq> (since a Flatland element is always rendered with the same widget)
236 2012-06-09T15:51:59 <dreimark> not sure if that works out, you can have very special widgets
237 2012-06-09T15:52:09 <dreimark> if you want to do e.g. acl changes
238 2012-06-09T15:52:18 <dreimark> it is not only to enter something into a text box
239 2012-06-09T15:52:47 <dreimark> you can have (in my mind) a comfortable editor who lists groups etc
240 2012-06-09T15:52:54 <xiaq> dreimark: yeah the "hint in Flatland element" needn't be restricted to tag names etc.
241 2012-06-09T15:53:00 <dreimark> ok
242 2012-06-09T15:54:01 <ThomasWaldmann> (nothing else from me right now. anybody else?)
243 2012-06-09T15:54:20 <dreimark> no
244 2012-06-09T15:55:37 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: your exams look like you'll only have 1 or 2 days until next meeting, right?
245 2012-06-09T15:56:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, wait, ignore that
246 2012-06-09T15:56:20 * ThomasWaldmann was on wrong wiki page
247 2012-06-09T15:56:30 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks xiaq
248 2012-06-09T15:56:51 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: your stage :)
249 2012-06-09T15:57:09 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: your exams look like you'll only have 1 or 2 days until next meeting, right?
250 2012-06-09T15:59:11 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: are you there?
251 2012-06-09T16:00:34 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, spy, please prepare for the case MaikuMori is away right now
252 2012-06-09T16:01:15 <spy> ok so, it seems my stage
253 2012-06-09T16:01:20 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: your stage (MaikuMore: tell if you are back)
254 2012-06-09T16:01:23 <spy> LAST: Prepaired for and took the last exam. Looked through the jinja2 documentation and xiaq's last codereview request.
255 2012-06-09T16:01:24 <spy> BLOCKERS: none
256 2012-06-09T16:01:26 <spy> NEXT: Everything that was mentioned at the previous meeting (at first +blog view and template).
257 2012-06-09T16:01:51 <ThomasWaldmann> hah :)
258 2012-06-09T16:02:06 <spy> unfortunately(
259 2012-06-09T16:02:12 <dreimark> how was your exam?
260 2012-06-09T16:02:22 <ThomasWaldmann> hopefully we don't need to keep that "NEXT: ..."
261 2012-06-09T16:02:34 <spy> excellent :)
262 2012-06-09T16:02:55 * dreimark :)
263 2012-06-09T16:03:53 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: can you repeat that NEXT explicitely? is easier to lookup then.
264 2012-06-09T16:04:34 <ThomasWaldmann> (or was that the stuff in parens?)
265 2012-06-09T16:05:25 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: you can have an eye on whether you can do a date widget with xiaq's framework, you'll sooner or later need to implement that
266 2012-06-09T16:05:32 <spy> work on blog template using whoosh for getting the stuff to show there
267 2012-06-09T16:06:07 <dreimark> jaiditya: can you also have an eye on that new stuff, that it fullfills some easy to style rules
268 2012-06-09T16:07:14 <ThomasWaldmann> right, good idea
269 2012-06-09T16:07:23 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: I have an eye on every xiaq's contribution :)
270 2012-06-09T16:08:05 <dreimark> :)
271 2012-06-09T16:08:56 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: so, full time from now on? as quite some other students, you have a lot to catch up.
272 2012-06-09T16:09:58 <spy> yes, will try to
273 2012-06-09T16:10:07 <dreimark> good
274 2012-06-09T16:10:11 <ThomasWaldmann> (it is a bit unfortunate that SOC overlaps that much with exams etc., but we can't do anything about this as it is an intl contest)
275 2012-06-09T16:11:01 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anything else from/to spy?
276 2012-06-09T16:11:08 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: are you there now?
277 2012-06-09T16:11:37 * dreimark is awaiting NEXT: (no)
278 2012-06-09T16:12:31 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: btw, not much activity on EP. please work on documentation / plans there in parallel.
279 2012-06-09T16:13:45 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: work on blog template using whoosh for getting the stuff to show there (at first +blog view and template) < he told already
280 2012-06-09T16:15:46 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: it looks like MaikuMori won't be able to work much in the next week due to exams. can you have a look over stuff already present on his EP / repo?
281 2012-06-09T16:16:50 <ThomasWaldmann> when having a quick look at his example plugin, i just noticed that he has GPL3+ as example license, which should be rather the same license as moin2 is using.
282 2012-06-09T16:17:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks spy.
283 2012-06-09T16:17:24 <ThomasWaldmann> as MaikuMori is not here, meeting is rather over now.
284 2012-06-09T16:18:11 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like DasIch and MaikuMori need an alternative meeting now with their mentors.
285 2012-06-09T16:21:11 * dreimark phonecall
286 2012-06-09T16:30:12 * ThomasWaldmann brb in 15mins
287 2012-06-09T16:31:03 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: meant that too. just wanted to say I have nothing to say before next work done
288 2012-06-09T16:33:02 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: ok.
289 2012-06-09T16:39:47 *** Guest13366
290 2012-06-09T16:41:01 <Guest13366> just joined as visitor. I do not develop software, but can spend some time to help out with shipping mm2. Let me know where I can start with an ultra-easy task, just to get me started.
291 2012-06-09T16:41:46 <dreimark> Guest13366: ThomasWaldmann is back in a few minutes
292 2012-06-09T16:42:02 <dreimark> the easiest thing to start is trying out the documentation
293 2012-06-09T16:42:14 <dreimark> if that works out to get a local wiki running
294 2012-06-09T16:43:03 <dreimark> http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html
295 2012-06-09T16:43:17 <dreimark> that also makes you familar with the docs
296 2012-06-09T16:43:46 <Guest13366> Ok, so you are suggesting I install mm2 locally? And then amend the docs or modernise / add / review?
297 2012-06-09T16:44:17 <dreimark> if you want zo work on some task you do that always in a local version of the repo
298 2012-06-09T16:44:52 <dreimark> you don't need to install, run it in place, as described three
299 2012-06-09T16:44:54 <dreimark> there
300 2012-06-09T16:45:04 <dreimark> using a virtual env environment
301 2012-06-09T16:45:51 <dreimark> the docs are sphinx made, so everything we have now is in the repostitory too
302 2012-06-09T16:46:37 <dreimark> all issues we aware of at https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issues?status=new&status=open
303 2012-06-09T16:47:15 <dreimark> and please tell some of your interests
304 2012-06-09T16:47:35 <dreimark> I can't or can imagine what "I do not develop software" means
305 2012-06-09T16:47:51 <ThomasWaldmann> hi Guest13366
306 2012-06-09T16:48:13 <Guest13366> @Thomas: We just emailed, thank you for your response.
307 2012-06-09T16:48:13 <moinBot`> Guest13366: Error: "Thomas:" is not a valid command.
308 2012-06-09T16:48:27 <dreimark> hi moinBot`
309 2012-06-09T16:49:07 <Guest13366> At dreimark: I am not a coder.
310 2012-06-09T16:49:19 <ThomasWaldmann> Guest13366: < just do it that way, not the twitter way :)
311 2012-06-09T16:49:32 <ThomasWaldmann> or our bot will be confused ;)
312 2012-06-09T16:49:38 <Guest13366> SO it seems.
313 2012-06-09T16:49:58 <ThomasWaldmann> are you at gpn12 currently?
314 2012-06-09T16:50:52 <Guest13366> I am not at gpn12.
315 2012-06-09T16:52:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (or asked differently, the event you were referring to, did you mean gpn or something else?)
316 2012-06-09T16:53:33 <Guest13366> dreimark: It looks like the roadmap for mm2 is such that once that is released, it will probably gain some serious traction. The more eyeballs we can get on mm the better the product will become and from what I have seen, mm2 will be at the forefront of modern web site building.
317 2012-06-09T16:53:52 <Guest13366> I was referring to the sprint which was announced.
318 2012-06-09T16:54:36 <ThomasWaldmann> well, then it was either GPN12 (not happening) or EuroPython (I will be there in any case :)
319 2012-06-09T16:55:17 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, are you using linux or windows or ...?
320 2012-06-09T16:56:35 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9.3XapianNoIndexUpdateAtPageUpdateIfRunningIIS < /me tries to fix that
321 2012-06-09T16:56:55 <Guest13366> Puppy linux. There comes the tricky bit, because installing mercurial is a bit of a challenge.
322 2012-06-09T16:57:21 <dreimark> if you have virtualenv it can be just pip install mercurial in that env
323 2012-06-09T16:57:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, small & exotic :)
324 2012-06-09T16:58:19 <Guest13366> It runs entirely in RAM, so that reduces the wait for any application to start.
325 2012-06-09T17:00:57 *** dcramer__
326 2012-06-09T17:04:07 <ThomasWaldmann> but increase amount of time to install stuff ;)
327 2012-06-09T17:04:45 * ThomasWaldmann likes SSDs for quick startup times
328 2012-06-09T17:15:23 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5864:aaf543f558d9 1.9/MoinMoin/search/builtin.py: fix setPragma/getPragma AttributeError with FakeRequest
329 2012-06-09T17:17:41 <ThomasWaldmann> let's hope we won't have too much of such stuff, otherwise we'll need a different approach^
330 2012-06-09T17:20:24 *** dcramer__
331 2012-06-09T17:30:36 *** jaiditya
332 2012-06-09T17:32:38 *** dcramer__
333 2012-06-09T17:39:40 <ThomasWaldmann> Guest13366: and, are you gettings forwards?
334 2012-06-09T17:40:53 <dreimark> bbl
335 2012-06-09T17:41:02 <Guest13366> Just studying the issue list to see what I could pick up.
336 2012-06-09T17:50:20 <Guest13366> If there are documentation pages to update, where can I do so? Do I need access as someone with authoring role first? Without having mercurial or virtualenv, do I just download the code file by file from here: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin ?
337 2012-06-09T17:52:31 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the docs for moin2 are made with sphinx and you have the rst files in docs/...
338 2012-06-09T17:52:36 <xiaq> moin all. i've been thinking what widget to use for effort, difficulty, etc. in http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-issue-tracker
339 2012-06-09T17:52:40 <xiaq> stars? :)
340 2012-06-09T17:53:16 <xiaq> i'm not satisfied with plain text box or drop-down menu...
341 2012-06-09T17:53:22 <ThomasWaldmann> what was the scale again?
342 2012-06-09T17:53:32 <Guest13366> Ok, I will have a look.
343 2012-06-09T17:53:44 <xiaq> integer within [1,5]
344 2012-06-09T17:54:11 <xiaq> ah using star is tempting :)
345 2012-06-09T17:54:21 <ThomasWaldmann> Guest13366: and collaboration can work like: fork repo on bitbucket (so you have your own one), develop locally, push to your bb repo when ready, create pull request
346 2012-06-09T17:54:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (except if you find some very little/minor stuff that can be just fixed ad-hoc by e.g. me)
347 2012-06-09T17:55:32 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: well, starts are somehow too much semantics
348 2012-06-09T17:55:45 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow 5 stars is better than 1 right? :)
349 2012-06-09T17:56:28 <ThomasWaldmann> stars* not starts :)
350 2012-06-09T17:57:07 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: hm... what do you suggest then?
351 2012-06-09T17:57:26 *** Guest13366
352 2012-06-09T17:58:03 <ThomasWaldmann> row of N radiobuttons?
353 2012-06-09T17:58:23 * xiaq googling some practical HTML/CSS design guides...
354 2012-06-09T17:58:27 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ugly :(
355 2012-06-09T17:59:03 <ThomasWaldmann> row of N poo piles? :P
356 2012-06-09T17:59:32 <ThomasWaldmann> <scnr>
357 2012-06-09T17:59:35 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: :P
358 2012-06-09T18:00:46 <ThomasWaldmann> you could also just render a N long bar, that might even work with css
359 2012-06-09T18:01:14 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah that's the approach i just thought
360 2012-06-09T18:01:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (the poo piles as well as the stars have too much semantics, that's why i was saying it)
361 2012-06-09T18:03:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and of course the colour of that bar needs to be neutral somehow. if you make it red or green, you run into same issue.
362 2012-06-09T18:03:26 <xiaq> yeah...
363 2012-06-09T18:03:50 <ThomasWaldmann> you could also use the star-like mechanism and just exchange the icon to a filled circle
364 2012-06-09T18:04:30 <ThomasWaldmann> or even use N unicode chars :)
365 2012-06-09T18:16:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, bitbucket uses dropdown menues for all sorts of stuff
366 2012-06-09T18:17:22 <ThomasWaldmann> (just noting, not saying they are doing everything great)
367 2012-06-09T18:21:01 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: but as we might need that widget anyway, you could just start with that and improve later, if needed
368 2012-06-09T18:21:58 * ThomasWaldmann wonders about a trivial-to-fix os.listdir related test failure in moin-2.0
369 2012-06-09T18:22:56 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1368:f369d028cb15 2.0/MoinMoin/util/_tests/test_filesys.py: fix test: sort os.listdir results, do no rely on them being already sorted
370 2012-06-09T18:34:05 *** xiaq-m
371 2012-06-09T18:34:49 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1369:e34b627881e4 2.0/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/indexing.py: EMAIL and OPENID fields are not unique as we store empty values there, fixes #185
372 2012-06-09T18:52:25 <bretonium> any suggestions on where to start in adding storages and indexes? I'd appreciate modules names.
373 2012-06-09T18:55:40 <ThomasWaldmann> MoinMoin.storage.indexing is doing all the indexing/lookup related stuff
374 2012-06-09T19:01:31 *** dcramer__
375 2012-06-09T19:04:04 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: still there? come to EP.
376 2012-06-09T19:06:33 *** dwcramer
377 2012-06-09T19:09:57 *** xiaq-m
378 2012-06-09T19:26:48 *** greg_f
379 2012-06-09T19:43:04 *** dwcramer
380 2012-06-09T20:44:52 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: do you have time?
381 2012-06-09T20:51:53 *** dwcramer
382 2012-06-09T22:03:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: time?
383 2012-06-09T22:08:51 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: currently watching ger vs por
384 2012-06-09T22:13:14 <ThomasWaldmann> vs irc :D
385 2012-06-09T22:14:23 <ronny> lol
386 2012-06-09T23:17:54 *** xiaq
387 2012-06-09T23:19:24 *** xiaq
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