MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-09

2007-04-09T00:01:17  <dreimark> now inline can use EmbedObject too
2007-04-09T00:06:16  <besonen_mobile2> xorAxAx:  one more question before i get back to my project.  can i manually encode the slash so as to be able to create initial content say via sftp and then have moin find said content?
2007-04-09T00:06:39  <xorAxAx> besonen_mobile2: sure
2007-04-09T00:06:49  <xorAxAx> besonen_mobile2: are you coding in python?
2007-04-09T00:06:59  <besonen_mobile2> tinkering
2007-04-09T00:07:10  <xorAxAx> well, the function is in MoinMoin.wikiutils
2007-04-09T00:07:16  <xorAxAx> somewhere
2007-04-09T00:07:19  <besonen_mobile2> thanks
2007-04-09T00:09:40  <besonen_mobile2> xorAxAx:  and if i wanted to dump a bunch of files into a moin directory will moin create a page simply with link to these files?
2007-04-09T00:10:10  <xorAxAx> well
2007-04-09T00:10:28  <besonen_mobile2> s/link/links/
2007-04-09T00:11:48  <dreimark> gn
2007-04-09T00:11:53  <xorAxAx> you can use attachments
2007-04-09T00:15:53  <besonen_mobile2> xorAxAx:  it would be nice if moin could be instructed to auto-attach all files in a particular directory.  might this be possible with a small amount of work?
2007-04-09T00:16:27  <xorAxAx> well, that can be done using xmlrpc
2007-04-09T00:16:39  <xorAxAx> we are in th wrong channel btw
2007-04-09T00:17:25  <besonen_mobile2> i know.  i appreciate the tolerance, if that's what it is.
2007-04-09T00:19:04  <besonen_mobile2> fwiw, when i've asked similar questions in #moin and moin-uer i've received zero replies.
2007-04-09T00:19:16  <besonen_mobile2> s/uer/user/
2007-04-09T00:20:07  <besonen_mobile2> another reason i was leaning towards dokuwiki.  i received responses to my questions.
2007-04-09T00:21:02  <xorAxAx> well, choose it if you get more replies
2007-04-09T00:21:35  <besonen_mobile2> ?  is that a serious suggestion?
2007-04-09T00:22:05  <besonen_mobile2> i;m going to look into xmlrpc, btw.  thanks for mentioning it.
2007-04-09T00:23:02  <grzywacz> Hm, how about getting CIA bot to report on moin repository changes? :)
2007-04-09T00:23:11  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: does it support hg?
2007-04-09T00:23:16  <grzywacz> Yes.
2007-04-09T00:23:22  <xorAxAx> thats a good idea, i would appreciate it
2007-04-09T00:23:24  <grzywacz> http://cia.vc/doc/clients/
2007-04-09T00:23:35  <xorAxAx> but i heared about projects that had to wait for months
2007-04-09T00:23:44  <xorAxAx> until the bot finally joined
2007-04-09T00:23:49  <grzywacz> The sooner applied... ;)
2007-04-09T00:24:33  <grzywacz> I joined #commits a few minutes ago and... whoah. Looks much more active than only our (wesnoth) cia. ;)
2007-04-09T00:24:47  <xorAxAx> can you apply there? i think you can register all live repos, that includes 1.5, 1.6, 1.6-accessibility and the new soc ones
2007-04-09T00:24:59  <grzywacz> Let me see...
2007-04-09T00:24:59  <xorAxAx> thats all bots together?
2007-04-09T00:25:10  <xorAxAx> (the new soc ones arent there yet)
2007-04-09T00:25:13  <grzywacz> One bot reporting everything.
2007-04-09T00:25:20  <xorAxAx> heh, does that make any sense?
2007-04-09T00:25:22  * xorAxAx tries
2007-04-09T00:25:43  <grzywacz> Just wait a few minutes.
2007-04-09T00:25:48  <besonen_mobile2> ok, i'm really getting back to my project now.  thanks again for the replies, especially xorAxAx.  y'all may very well have just picked up another moin user and tinkerer.
2007-04-09T00:26:07  <besonen_mobile2> peace, david
2007-04-09T00:26:26  <xorAxAx> the power of opensource ...
2007-04-09T00:27:05  <grzywacz> You mean #commits? If so, that's only a fraction of work being done. ;)
2007-04-09T00:27:28  <xorAxAx> i know
2007-04-09T00:27:42  <xorAxAx> but its impressive to see that there is always somebody working
2007-04-09T00:27:58  <grzywacz> I know you know, just a reflection. :)
2007-04-09T00:28:00  <xorAxAx> for a common goal or at least with a common goal in mind
2007-04-09T00:28:06  <grzywacz> Yeah. :)
2007-04-09T00:30:19  <grzywacz> Can the image in the top-left corner of http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ be considered the project's logo?
2007-04-09T00:30:21  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-04-09T00:31:44  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-04-09T00:31:59  <xorAxAx> we started a poll and then one year later, we decided on the logo
2007-04-09T00:34:59  <grzywacz> :>>>>
2007-04-09T00:35:33  <grzywacz> We now need someone to install the repo scripts.
2007-04-09T00:35:58  <xorAxAx> hi CIA-28
2007-04-09T00:36:03  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ping :-)
2007-04-09T00:36:08  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: URL?
2007-04-09T00:36:33  <grzywacz> https://cia.vc/clients/hg/hgcia.py I guess
2007-04-09T00:39:36  <grzywacz> Here's our stat page http://cia.vc/stats/project/moin
2007-04-09T00:39:44  <grzywacz> Empty so far. ;)
2007-04-09T00:41:55  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, there are a few options to be set in this script and these should be project = moin and user = grzywacz
2007-04-09T00:51:38  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2007-04-09T00:57:22  <grzywacz> Oh, and maybe base_url too.
2007-04-09T00:57:42  <grzywacz> *baseurl
2007-04-09T01:02:03  <grzywacz> CIA-12 KDE:  (If i can be a class, i'd like to be KActionCollection.. it's something mysterious about it and i like it.)
2007-04-09T01:02:03  <grzywacz> lol
2007-04-09T01:02:52  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-09T01:06:23  <xorAxAx> moinBot: say hi to CIA-28
2007-04-09T01:06:23  <moinBot> xorAxAx: Error: "say" is not a valid command.
2007-04-09T01:06:37  <xorAxAx> not very friendly, those bots nowadays
2007-04-09T01:06:50  <grzywacz> What's moinBot?
2007-04-09T01:06:58  <xorAxAx> the logging bot
2007-04-09T01:07:08  <ThomasWaldmann> should i see something there after a commit?
2007-04-09T01:07:12  <grzywacz> Ah, ok. I thought that maybe it's something similliar to wesbot.
2007-04-09T01:07:16  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I guess so...
2007-04-09T01:07:31  <xorAxAx> after a push presumely
2007-04-09T01:07:35  <grzywacz> Yes.
2007-04-09T01:07:40  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i had to upgrade to 0.9.3
2007-04-09T01:07:48  <xorAxAx> shouldnt harm
2007-04-09T01:07:55  <grzywacz> CIA can lag sometimes, but it shouldn't be the case now.
2007-04-09T01:08:09  <xorAxAx> usually, its instantitious
2007-04-09T01:09:05  <xorAxAx> much faster than the notification setup of e.g. pypy - the svn server sends a mail to a list that gets processed by mailman, sent out to another server, which parses the mail and send the message via irc to the channel
2007-04-09T01:09:12  <ThomasWaldmann> # the module (subproject) (optional)
2007-04-09T01:09:13  <ThomasWaldmann> module = main
2007-04-09T01:09:17  <ThomasWaldmann> is this a problem?
2007-04-09T01:09:32  <grzywacz> No idea. :)
2007-04-09T01:09:38  <grzywacz> Maybe it has to be registered first.
2007-04-09T01:09:41  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: could you register different subprojects?
2007-04-09T01:09:51  <xorAxAx> i dont think so if it says optional
2007-04-09T01:10:01  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: the script has to be accessible by your hg-wrapper user
2007-04-09T01:10:04  <grzywacz> I see nothing like that on the website.
2007-04-09T01:10:37  <xorAxAx> maybe you can try a dry run or is it difficult to invoke it?
2007-04-09T01:11:53  <grzywacz> Wait.
2007-04-09T01:11:55  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann.
2007-04-09T01:12:06  <grzywacz> It says to set these options in hgrc ;D
2007-04-09T01:12:50  <grzywacz> Strange stuff.
2007-04-09T01:16:15  <ThomasWaldmann> i did
2007-04-09T01:16:32  <ThomasWaldmann> it gets invoked (had crashes with 0.9.0)
2007-04-09T01:16:45  <ThomasWaldmann> now it doesnt crash
2007-04-09T01:16:55  <grzywacz> But nothing appears...
2007-04-09T01:29:17  <ThomasWaldmann> error: incoming.cia hook raised an exception: __init__() takes exactly 7 arguments (6 given)
2007-04-09T01:30:27  <grzywacz> :\
2007-04-09T01:35:54  <grzywacz> Maybe this version of the script is broken.
2007-04-09T01:55:59  * ThomasWaldmann runs out of senseful changes to commit :)
2007-04-09T01:57:01  <grzywacz> Do you push them as well?
2007-04-09T01:57:19  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-04-09T01:57:41  <grzywacz> No idea what may be wrong, sorry. :\
2007-04-09T01:57:58  <ThomasWaldmann> that __init__ problem would be easier to fix if one knew which class that is
2007-04-09T01:58:30  <ThomasWaldmann> i tried different revs of hgcia, all have that problem
2007-04-09T01:58:57  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.hgcia.org/
2007-04-09T01:59:25  <grzywacz> Wrong one. ;)
2007-04-09T01:59:41  <grzywacz> http://cia.vc/stats/project/hgcia
2007-04-09T02:09:08  <CIA-28> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 1975:d47a4625af84 /README: updated (c) year in README
2007-04-09T02:10:07  <ThomasWaldmann> ah :)
2007-04-09T02:10:18  <ThomasWaldmann> back at rev 4 hgcia works :)
2007-04-09T02:10:22  <grzywacz> Nice. :)
2007-04-09T02:10:49  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, now find the bug
2007-04-09T02:15:40  <CIA-28> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 1976:e14d2407b0ab /MoinMoin/_template.py: updated (c) year in _template.py
2007-04-09T02:22:36  <grzywacz> I think I'm going to sleep for a while. Good night. :)
2007-04-09T02:27:32  <CIA-28> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 1977:abcbc20e8f8f /MoinMoin/ (config/multiconfig.py xmlrpc/__init__.py): raise unzip_attachments_count to 101, some other minor changes
2007-04-09T02:27:46  <ThomasWaldmann> gn grzywacz
2007-04-09T09:09:56  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-04-09T09:12:07  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1978:f6262ee86e0b /MoinMoin/ (config/multiconfig.py macro/EmbedObject.py): EmbedObject: make mimetypes configurable
2007-04-09T09:12:29  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe, CIA is watching you
2007-04-09T09:13:31  <dreimark> he
2007-04-09T09:13:56  <dreimark> moin
2007-04-09T09:14:51  <ThomasWaldmann> http://cia.vc/stats/project/moin
2007-04-09T09:19:31  <dreimark> nice
2007-04-09T09:33:26  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, do you ever sleep? :)
2007-04-09T09:39:08  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but my irc client runs on a internet server :)
2007-04-09T09:39:28  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1981:6c58db46c2ed /MoinMoin/macro/EmbedObject.py: EmbedObject:minor optimisation
2007-04-09T09:39:28  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1982:ecae6138ee1b /MoinMoin/search/builtin.py: merged main
2007-04-09T09:39:53  <ThomasWaldmann> hey, I fixed hgcia for hg 0.9.3 :)
2007-04-09T09:40:46  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:why do I see only my changes and not yours?
2007-04-09T09:43:33  <ThomasWaldmann> on the url I posted you see both (except for the commits when I tried some broken hgcia revision)
2007-04-09T10:03:20  <dreimark> Russell Stuart/EmailActivation sounds similiar to jakubs mail approved registration
2007-04-09T10:06:16  <ThomasWaldmann> jakub is doing a psf project for soc, so it doesnt matter. i didnt look at that code yet.
2007-04-09T10:13:17  <ThomasWaldmann> his docs look pretty good
2007-04-09T10:16:26  <dreimark> yeah
2007-04-09T10:16:51  <ThomasWaldmann> indenting and module usage needs to get fixed
2007-04-09T10:19:47  <dreimark> license info is missing
2007-04-09T10:24:00  <ThomasWaldmann> i added a comment on his page
2007-04-09T10:46:10  <dreimark> multiconfig: mimetypes_xss_protect seems not to be used ?
2007-04-09T10:52:24  <ThomasWaldmann> it should be
2007-04-09T10:54:02  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: see AttachFile
2007-04-09T10:57:09  <dreimark> found it,
2007-04-09T10:58:21  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:hmm, do I create some security trouble using EmbedObject for inline and 'application/x-shockwave-flash'
2007-04-09T10:58:50  <dreimark> inline calls for that embed too
2007-04-09T10:59:17  <xorAxAx> dreimark: if the flash file has access to the cookie, you do
2007-04-09T12:07:53  <dreimark> xorAxAx:http://www.cgisecurity.com/lib/flash-xss.htm#_Toc18055083
2007-04-09T12:08:26  <xorAxAx> ok, so its insecure to display them inline
2007-04-09T12:10:46  <dreimark> unfortunately
2007-04-09T12:39:35  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1983:c563b49b8b03 /MoinMoin/ (config/multiconfig.py macro/EmbedObject.py): EmbedObject:removed mimetype application/x-shockwave-flash from defaults
2007-04-09T12:41:43  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1984:efafd0dd3ff8 /MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py: multiconfig: removed private var
2007-04-09T12:43:17  <dreimark> what is the price for 2000:
2007-04-09T14:37:29  <lanius> helo
2007-04-09T14:37:34  <xorAxAx> hi lanius
2007-04-09T14:39:48  <xorAxAx> lanius: and, what do you think, will you be chosen as one of the students? :-)
2007-04-09T14:40:32  <lanius> i hope so :-)
2007-04-09T14:40:52  <lanius> Thomas invited me to irc again, but i couldn't join earlier since i made a short trip to spain over easter
2007-04-09T14:41:01  <xorAxAx> oh, thats ok
2007-04-09T14:41:10  <xorAxAx> i hasnt started anyway yet
2007-04-09T15:08:13  <ThomasWaldmann> hi lanius
2007-04-09T15:10:42  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: I slightly cleaned up the storage related pages on the wiki (but they are still a mess). Maybe title and full text search for "storage" to get a picture of it.
2007-04-09T15:12:09  <ThomasWaldmann> I guess it would do no harm if we have a clearer plan before you start coding. :)
2007-04-09T15:12:42  <xorAxAx> yes, getting an overview is the most time consuming part at the beginning
2007-04-09T15:12:48  <xorAxAx> keppy deferred it and lost.
2007-04-09T15:14:02  <ThomasWaldmann> there is also some code in the 1.4, 2.0 and storage branches you could have a look at
2007-04-09T15:17:56  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinTodo/Release_2.0/StepByStep this is one of the better pages maybe
2007-04-09T15:20:37  <ThomasWaldmann> (of course you should primarily look at the moin/1.6 main repo, that is the code we will start with)
2007-04-09T15:23:36  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: still there? :)
2007-04-09T15:26:24  <ThomasWaldmann> I hope this wasn't too shocking. :D
2007-04-09T15:54:08  <dreimark> Do we have already something to search only in all Chat/Logs/moin-dev* for a given text
2007-04-09T15:54:48  <xorAxAx> dreimark: HelpOnSearching
2007-04-09T16:06:24  <dreimark> :)
2007-04-09T16:28:25  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: that means i'm in?
2007-04-09T16:29:15  <ThomasWaldmann> well, nothing is 100% sure yet.
2007-04-09T16:29:21  <ThomasWaldmann> but 99% :)
2007-04-09T16:29:30  <lanius> wow, cool
2007-04-09T16:30:30  <lanius> you think there is some usefull code in the rep from last soc?
2007-04-09T16:30:50  <ThomasWaldmann> take it with some grains of salt
2007-04-09T16:30:53  <xorAxAx> you can have a look at his metamodel
2007-04-09T16:31:02  <xorAxAx> but it wont be very enlightening i fear
2007-04-09T16:32:44  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess looking around at all stuff, making a model in your mind and dumping it regularly on a wiki page is a good start
2007-04-09T16:34:01  <lanius> yeah
2007-04-09T16:34:16  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: if you dont see my query, please register your nick with NickServ /msg NickServ help
2007-04-09T16:34:17  <lanius> somehow my internet connections sucks today, i'm getting disconnected all the time
2007-04-09T16:53:52  <CIA-28> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 1985:eb5328be394e /MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py: AttachFile:destinguish between zip and other fileformats using zip archives
2007-04-09T17:47:33  <dreimark> xorAxAx:http://www.cgisecurity.com/articles/xss-faq.shtml suggests to escape more signs
2007-04-09T17:48:14  <xorAxAx> dreimark: what of that page do you mean exactly?
2007-04-09T17:48:26  <dreimark> What can I do to protect myself as a vendor?
2007-04-09T17:49:14  <xorAxAx> well, thats not a very technical description, it is lacking background information
2007-04-09T17:49:44  <xorAxAx> usually, it is enough to escape everything using the appropriate wikiutil function that is going to request.write
2007-04-09T17:49:56  <xorAxAx> (or by using the formatter.text method if it is page content)
2007-04-09T17:54:01  <dreimark> right
2007-04-09T18:02:57  * ThomasWaldmann configured skype. maybe nice for SOC, too.
2007-04-09T18:04:33  <ThomasWaldmann> anyone else having it configured for a conference call test?
2007-04-09T18:05:25  <xorAxAx> i do
2007-04-09T18:06:48  * ThomasWaldmann is thwaldmann
2007-04-09T18:07:25  <dreimark> I have used my wikiname, but I have to remember the password
2007-04-09T18:11:16  <dreimark> and i do have a gtalk account too
2007-04-09T18:44:28  <ThomasWaldmann> funny :)
2007-04-09T18:45:30  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-04-09T18:46:09  <ThomasWaldmann> somehow I had the feeling i need 2 pcs when i ordered a headset for a customer last week
2007-04-09T18:49:48  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is voice spam an issue with skype?
2007-04-09T18:50:23  <xorAxAx> havent seen/heard voice spam
2007-04-09T18:50:30  <xorAxAx> but its proprietary
2007-04-09T18:56:45  <dreimark> :)
2007-04-09T19:26:48  <grzywacz> Anyway, do you already know how many slots did Moin get?
2007-04-09T19:35:33  <ThomasWaldmann> it is not final, but currently at 5
2007-04-09T19:36:10  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we have to reduce to 4 due to student vanishing
2007-04-09T19:37:01  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: btw, we had a skype test this afternoon, maybe you could use that, too, for SOC?
2007-04-09T19:37:27  <grzywacz> I've been having some network problems as of late, but sure, I can give it a try.
2007-04-09T19:38:15  <grzywacz> How likely am I to get accepted, if I may ask? I'd like to know if I have to bug stpeter. ;)
2007-04-09T19:39:13  <ThomasWaldmann> well, it's not 100% sure and not final, but maybe 98% :)
2007-04-09T19:40:35  <ThomasWaldmann> so you can start looking at moin src and the tools, the wiki etc. :)
2007-04-09T19:43:59  <grzywacz> I've already started. :D
2007-04-09T19:44:04  <grzywacz> Call it hope. ;)
2007-04-09T19:55:48  <lanius> what does the stuff in the filter/ directory do?
2007-04-09T20:00:07  <grzywacz> Seems to work.
2007-04-09T20:00:17  <grzywacz> Not that I can hear you perfectly, but it should be ok. :)
2007-04-09T20:08:40  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: it is for xapian indexer
2007-04-09T20:09:00  <ThomasWaldmann> so it can get the textual content from different file formats (attachments)
2007-04-09T20:14:04  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, lots of those subdirectories are built-in plugins and have their counterpart under data/plugin/*
2007-04-09T20:14:31  <ThomasWaldmann> so a wiki admin can drop his own plugins there
2007-04-09T21:32:17  <lanius> bye bye
2007-04-09T22:55:08  <grzywacz> bbl