MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-12-22

2008-12-22T09:23:18  <dreimark> moin
2008-12-22T09:30:26  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-12-22T09:40:18  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: may be we should make that feature configurable
2008-12-22T10:10:01  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=advanced_s.patch
2008-12-22T10:10:06  <CIA-27> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4220:5ee5b69eefdc 1.8/MoinMoin/macro/ (WikiConfig.py WikiConfigHelp.py): fix Dependencies of WikiConfig/WikiConfigHelp macro
2008-12-22T10:10:37  <dreimark> we could make the default settings of advanced search configurable
2008-12-22T10:10:45  <dreimark> and use it also for the theme
2008-12-22T10:11:55  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2008-12-22T10:11:58  <dreimark> why?
2008-12-22T10:13:05  <ThomasWaldmann> because search should behave the same in every moin wiki
2008-12-22T10:13:32  <TheSheep> it should also behave sanely
2008-12-22T10:14:07  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but you can't do too much assumptions about what the user wants to search
2008-12-22T10:14:38  <TheSheep> I wish that the underlay pages at least had acls with some default groups (one for utility pages, one for help, one for admin stuff) so that you could control which ones of them should appear in search results
2008-12-22T10:14:39  <dreimark> I think the searchbox in the theme should be used to find own content
2008-12-22T10:15:02  <ThomasWaldmann> like disabling search for underlay or enabling search for history
2008-12-22T10:15:04  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: too many hits is worse than too few
2008-12-22T10:15:14  <dreimark> acls are bad because noone whould read underlay then
2008-12-22T10:15:33  <TheSheep> dreimark: unless here was a 'search' right :)
2008-12-22T10:17:36  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: search acl sounds nice for some cases, but it won't help for system/help pages.
2008-12-22T10:19:53  <dreimark> we should destinguish between search in the wiki of own content and search in underlay/system pages
2008-12-22T10:19:57  <TheSheep> there are many pages you don't really want to be searched
2008-12-22T10:20:02  <TheSheep> groups, templates
2008-12-22T10:20:34  <ThomasWaldmann> and what if you DO want to search them?
2008-12-22T10:20:54  <dreimark> this means only we need a flag or checkbox
2008-12-22T10:21:09  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: then you use the FindPage
2008-12-22T10:21:14  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: and advanced search
2008-12-22T10:21:15  <dreimark> yeah
2008-12-22T10:21:36  <TheSheep> please don't add more controls on every page though ;)
2008-12-22T10:22:02  <dreimark> yeah, I know I wanted to tell the same but you were faster
2008-12-22T10:22:19  <ThomasWaldmann> well, make a feature request page. this is too critical and too complex to do quick hacks.
2008-12-22T10:22:33  <TheSheep> btw, when I use moinmoin as a cms, one thing that I often have to do in custom themes is removing the title search button
2008-12-22T10:22:37  <TheSheep> might be an option
2008-12-22T10:23:08  <ThomasWaldmann> i use title search often as a quick fuzzy goto
2008-12-22T10:23:16  <dreimark> me also
2008-12-22T10:23:27  <TheSheep> yeah, it works for wikis :)
2008-12-22T10:23:39  <TheSheep> I use the location bar for that
2008-12-22T10:23:41  <dreimark> and title:title word
2008-12-22T10:24:19  <ThomasWaldmann> also, i like to prefer title search for performance reasons
2008-12-22T10:24:39  <TheSheep> yes, but that's not an issue for those 8-page cms sites
2008-12-22T10:24:42  <ThomasWaldmann> so the first thing a user should try for finding some stuff on a wiki is a title search
2008-12-22T10:24:44  <TheSheep> not even cms
2008-12-22T10:25:11  <TheSheep> I am aware that it's not what moin is supposed to be used for
2008-12-22T10:27:32  <TheSheep> I think this needs more discussion
2008-12-22T10:27:36  <TheSheep> h2h
2008-12-22T10:27:37  <dreimark> sometimes you know the attachment name but not the page where it is
2008-12-22T10:27:48  <dreimark> so people often use text search
2008-12-22T10:28:37  <dreimark> we can continue on FeatureRequests/ExcludeUnderlayFromSearch
2008-12-22T10:28:58  * dreimark has to upgrade some linux boxes
2008-12-22T10:29:40  <dreimark> bbl
2008-12-22T19:56:53  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-12-22T20:17:58  <TheSheep> when are you coming to Berlin?
2008-12-22T20:18:02  <TheSheep> 26th or 27th?
2008-12-22T20:18:37  <ThomasWaldmann> the day before it starts
2008-12-22T20:26:03  <dennda> 27
2008-12-22T22:56:17  <dreimark> re
2008-12-22T22:56:49  <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark
2008-12-22T22:57:28  <dreimark> have had some config trouble
2008-12-22T22:57:44  <dreimark> or still have
2008-12-22T22:58:03  <dreimark> eclipse: cannot launch the update ui
2008-12-22T23:03:01  <dreimark> google is my friend :)
2008-12-22T23:03:04  <dreimark> To enable the classic install interface, go to: Window, Preferences, General, Capabilities, Classic Update.
2008-12-22T23:22:04  <ThomasWaldmann> are you trying pydev 1.4?
2008-12-22T23:22:08  <dreimark> has one experience with java 1.6 and eclipse?
2008-12-22T23:22:30  <dreimark> yes
2008-12-22T23:23:05  <ThomasWaldmann> ii  sun-java6-jre                              6-07-3ubuntu2                     Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (ar
2008-12-22T23:36:38  <dreimark> sounds interesting http://chardet.feedparser.org/
2008-12-22T23:36:46  <dreimark> Character encoding auto-detection in Python. As smart as your browser. Open source.
2008-12-22T23:37:44  <TheSheep> dreimark: *as* smart as msie?
2008-12-22T23:37:55  <dreimark> I guess not
2008-12-22T23:39:42  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-12-22T23:39:51  <dreimark> may help solving the zip file encoding problem
2008-12-22T23:43:47  <ThomasWaldmann> you mean the filename encoding?
2008-12-22T23:44:50  <dreimark> yes
2008-12-22T23:45:25  <ThomasWaldmann> not sure that is enough text