1 2010-12-15T00:11:17 *** m4k3r
2 2010-12-15T00:16:23 <jbills> dreimark: I need to test it in ie8. I have ie9
3 2010-12-15T00:23:15 <ThomasWaldmann> shouldn't be a big problem to find some windows machine, right?
4 2010-12-15T00:38:00 *** pvinogradov
5 2010-12-15T00:39:26 *** pvinogradov1
6 2010-12-15T01:01:41 *** grzywacz
7 2010-12-15T03:05:44 *** samt_gci
8 2010-12-15T03:22:34 <samt_gci> hi
9 2010-12-15T03:24:44 <ThomasWaldmann> moin samt_gci
10 2010-12-15T03:25:46 <samt_gci> moin :)
11 2010-12-15T03:26:32 *** xjjk
12 2010-12-15T03:30:35 <ThomasWaldmann> are you sure you took the other one as template?
13 2010-12-15T03:30:56 <ThomasWaldmann> was it still talking about "pages"?
14 2010-12-15T03:31:34 <ThomasWaldmann> (that should be "items")
15 2010-12-15T03:31:39 <samt_gci> lots of things were removed from Peter's one that are not supported by creole (comments, xml entities, etc)
16 2010-12-15T03:31:51 <samt_gci> I'd have to check about the pages bit
17 2010-12-15T03:34:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, can you include the mw one (add some comment about author, in case there is none yet) into your setup and render it also, so that one can do an easier sidebyside comparison?
18 2010-12-15T03:35:26 <samt_gci> ok
19 2010-12-15T03:35:46 <ThomasWaldmann> did you check the stuff with moin2?
20 2010-12-15T03:36:25 <samt_gci> no, only with 1.9
21 2010-12-15T03:36:43 <ThomasWaldmann> please use moin2, result might be very different
22 2010-12-15T03:36:50 <samt_gci> ok
23 2010-12-15T03:37:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you can try using the test wiki, e.g. http://test.moinmo.in:8080/creolehelp
24 2010-12-15T03:37:42 <ThomasWaldmann> but have good backups, that wiki is temporary and unstable
25 2010-12-15T03:38:47 <samt_gci> ok, ty. atm I've got 2.0 running locally as well
26 2010-12-15T03:39:23 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, that's likely even more recent code then
27 2010-12-15T03:39:40 <ThomasWaldmann> (i had slight troubles with updating the test wiki)
28 2010-12-15T03:40:51 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, as you saved quite some time due to existing work you maybe could add an index page that references the different supported markups
29 2010-12-15T03:41:19 <samt_gci> the rst parses without errors on http://test.moinmo.in:8080/creolehelp
30 2010-12-15T03:41:32 <samt_gci> ok, I'll work on that as well then
31 2010-12-15T03:41:40 <ThomasWaldmann> currently mediawiki and creole (soon hopefully more)
32 2010-12-15T03:41:59 <ThomasWaldmann> i rather mean how the creole stuff behaves
33 2010-12-15T03:42:16 <ThomasWaldmann> esp. stuff relating to attachments
34 2010-12-15T03:42:58 <samt_gci> ok, I'll create a second page testing the creole used in the help page
35 2010-12-15T03:42:58 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, {{x}} might be primarily used for images, but moin tries to think of that as being generic transclusion
36 2010-12-15T03:43:43 <ThomasWaldmann> and put CREOLETODO markers into the docs if you find defects in creole parsing
37 2010-12-15T03:47:30 <ThomasWaldmann> ordered lists rendering of rst by sphinx has different spacing than unordered lists?
38 2010-12-15T03:49:38 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i need to sleep now, have fun :)
39 2010-12-15T03:49:42 <samt_gci> yes, Moin 1.9 also makes sub-items in ordered lists have numerical values (like "1. Item, 2. Item" rather than "A. Item, B. Item") even if alphabetical values are used in the markup
40 2010-12-15T03:49:43 <samt_gci> ok
41 2010-12-15T03:49:45 <samt_gci> ty
42 2010-12-15T03:50:25 <ThomasWaldmann> only moin2 errors are interesting, we are documenting moin2
43 2010-12-15T03:50:29 <ThomasWaldmann> cu
44 2010-12-15T03:50:45 <samt_gci> ok
45 2010-12-15T03:50:46 <samt_gci> cya
46 2010-12-15T04:01:01 *** samt_gci
47 2010-12-15T05:23:03 *** GCIBot
48 2010-12-15T07:56:55 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
49 2010-12-15T07:58:10 *** jbills
50 2010-12-15T08:38:23 <dreimark> moin
51 2010-12-15T09:10:07 *** grzywacz
52 2010-12-15T09:10:07 *** grzywacz
53 2010-12-15T09:17:05 *** kapace__
54 2010-12-15T09:17:14 *** gwork
55 2010-12-15T09:19:37 *** grzywacz
56 2010-12-15T09:19:40 *** Kapace
57 2010-12-15T09:23:55 *** rfw
58 2010-12-15T09:25:42 *** rfw
59 2010-12-15T09:43:41 *** m4k3r
60 2010-12-15T10:41:06 *** rfw
61 2010-12-15T10:57:51 *** pvinogradov
62 2010-12-15T10:58:09 *** pvinogradov
63 2010-12-15T11:02:14 *** skylamer`
64 2010-12-15T11:02:36 *** greg_f
65 2010-12-15T11:23:45 <skylamer`> ThomasWaldmann
66 2010-12-15T11:23:46 <skylamer`> http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9359/moinmoina.png
67 2010-12-15T11:32:47 <ThomasWaldmann> inspired by the X11 background? :D
68 2010-12-15T11:34:22 <ThomasWaldmann> the content background is for sure unacceptable. the search stuff looks cool, but not very input-field-/button-like
69 2010-12-15T11:34:52 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: ^^
70 2010-12-15T11:54:30 <skylamer`> :D)
71 2010-12-15T12:02:12 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe something simple (see comments in melange), only the content bg?
72 2010-12-15T12:35:30 <skylamer`> yes, only the content bg and table of content bg t u dont say to make a reposition or re-color of editbar or infoline bar so :)
73 2010-12-15T12:46:50 <aa_> talking about stupid people... http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462
74 2010-12-15T12:55:21 <skylamer`> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1453/moinmoin.png thomas
75 2010-12-15T13:23:08 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, am I being unclear?
76 2010-12-15T13:24:07 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: please read the comments i gave on melange and here on irc
77 2010-12-15T13:24:30 <ThomasWaldmann> if you are unclear about the goal (it looks like), then ask specific questions
78 2010-12-15T13:24:57 <skylamer`> ok then specific what you want to be the content background ?
79 2010-12-15T13:25:00 <ThomasWaldmann> aa_: yeah, i read that tonight, strange.
80 2010-12-15T13:25:40 <skylamer`> also i am on very different than yours monitor and maybe that impacts
81 2010-12-15T13:25:50 <ThomasWaldmann> a very sligh blue. same hue as the blue in the header area, but almost white
82 2010-12-15T13:26:48 <ThomasWaldmann> and only a border of a few mm that does not touch the content (as you already had it in your work submission)
83 2010-12-15T13:27:00 <ThomasWaldmann> no round corners
84 2010-12-15T13:27:54 <dreimark> re
85 2010-12-15T13:28:29 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: so most of the content bg will be same colour == that "almost white blue hue"
86 2010-12-15T13:29:07 <ThomasWaldmann> and only very near to the border, there is a slight effect as you already had, not touching content anywhere
87 2010-12-15T13:29:29 * ThomasWaldmann has a samsung 20" tft (tn)
88 2010-12-15T13:29:52 <ThomasWaldmann> which of course gives varying colours depending on angle
89 2010-12-15T13:30:46 <ThomasWaldmann> and don't touch header or footer area this time, use what moin already has there
90 2010-12-15T13:31:06 <skylamer`> yes, i am on CRT
91 2010-12-15T13:31:34 <ThomasWaldmann> (we will ignore for now that editor info looks bad, or, if you like, you could set it to display:none for now)
92 2010-12-15T13:31:55 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean that line at the bottom right of the content
93 2010-12-15T13:32:55 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: ok, i guess on crt it is not angle dependant. if you look at this stuff on tn tft and move your head, the blue corner area can get rather dark.
94 2010-12-15T13:34:05 <ThomasWaldmann> it is also important that we get good contrast to the blue links and the black text, that is why I am thinking "almost white"
95 2010-12-15T13:39:35 <skylamer`> so more white than blue ?
96 2010-12-15T13:40:13 <skylamer`> g0t it
97 2010-12-15T13:44:41 <ThomasWaldmann> almost FFF
98 2010-12-15T13:45:31 <ThomasWaldmann> look at the colour composition (hue) used in header area (sky, or bar)
99 2010-12-15T14:05:34 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/E1/59/cdc277d2e239e159.png
100 2010-12-15T14:09:55 * ThomasWaldmann looks
101 2010-12-15T14:11:09 <ThomasWaldmann> getting close
102 2010-12-15T14:12:21 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: is that content bg blue same hue as editbar?
103 2010-12-15T14:13:01 <skylamer`> yes its near
104 2010-12-15T14:13:07 <skylamer`> not ECXACYLY the same
105 2010-12-15T14:13:25 <skylamer`> u said that some contrast need ed
106 2010-12-15T14:13:30 <ThomasWaldmann> should be same, if possible, just 95% close to white
107 2010-12-15T14:13:43 <ThomasWaldmann> the white will have good contrast to the text
108 2010-12-15T14:13:50 <ThomasWaldmann> (that's what i meant)
109 2010-12-15T14:14:30 <ThomasWaldmann> could you maybe just pick the colour near the word "PFA"?
110 2010-12-15T14:14:48 <ThomasWaldmann> and use that without any effect for most of the content bg?
111 2010-12-15T14:16:23 <ThomasWaldmann> no bubbles, clouds, points, gradient behind the area used for content text
112 2010-12-15T14:17:56 <skylamer`> #E8F1FF is this good ?
113 2010-12-15T14:18:01 <ThomasWaldmann> with those colours one notices how crappy TN panels are for looking at colours
114 2010-12-15T14:18:15 <ThomasWaldmann> can't tell from the hex value :)
115 2010-12-15T14:20:05 <skylamer`> #DEE8F1 thiz iz from near 'pfa'
116 2010-12-15T14:20:45 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe no problem if it is a bit more white
117 2010-12-15T14:20:56 <ThomasWaldmann> use same hue as editbar
118 2010-12-15T14:21:24 <ThomasWaldmann> just whither
119 2010-12-15T14:22:23 <skylamer`> #EEEFF9
120 2010-12-15T14:22:27 <skylamer`> ok try
121 2010-12-15T14:23:32 <skylamer`> #F3F7FD this is as editbar with more white
122 2010-12-15T14:23:51 <ThomasWaldmann> screenshot?
123 2010-12-15T14:24:55 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, when we have finished the simple content bg, you maybe could have a look at the clouds header bg
124 2010-12-15T14:25:37 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep has noticed that it has too much red in the blue sky and I guess on my current screen I see that, too
125 2010-12-15T14:26:04 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it needs also some adjustment you could do much more easily than me
126 2010-12-15T14:27:03 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/3A/C2/2006340e8bf63ac2.png
127 2010-12-15T14:31:48 *** jbills
128 2010-12-15T14:32:03 <ThomasWaldmann> that picbg.net is rather slow btw
129 2010-12-15T14:33:44 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: TheSheep: ^^ what do you thin?
130 2010-12-15T14:33:47 <ThomasWaldmann> k*
131 2010-12-15T14:34:44 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: is that pure css now?
132 2010-12-15T14:36:33 <skylamer`> ty
133 2010-12-15T14:36:34 <skylamer`> yes
134 2010-12-15T14:36:36 <skylamer`> da
135 2010-12-15T14:36:58 <ThomasWaldmann> english is ok for me :)
136 2010-12-15T14:42:02 <jbills> ThomasWaldman: It works fine in firefox 4b7
137 2010-12-15T14:48:31 <ThomasWaldmann> jbills: if you are talking about browser compat, maybe older browsers are more interesting that brand new betas :)
138 2010-12-15T14:55:09 <jbills> ok
139 2010-12-15T15:00:13 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: could you have a quick look at the current clouds hue? and adjust it a bit?
140 2010-12-15T15:02:31 <ThomasWaldmann> aa_: xorAxAx: dreimark: eSyr: ronny: TheSheep: waldi: any comments on that:
141 2010-12-15T15:02:35 <ThomasWaldmann> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/3A/C2/2006340e8bf63ac2.png
142 2010-12-15T15:03:19 <ThomasWaldmann> content background and border is what skylamer` did - is that ok for you?
143 2010-12-15T15:04:17 <ThomasWaldmann> do you also think that the sky in the header bg should be less red/magenta and more like the editbar hue?
144 2010-12-15T15:04:48 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: btw, i currently try to reanimate our umts router
145 2010-12-15T15:04:54 <xorAxAx> looks nice
146 2010-12-15T15:05:18 <xorAxAx> yes, indeed, the hue could be optimized
147 2010-12-15T15:06:43 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: is it ok that the border gradient is more greyish and the other stuff more blueish?
148 2010-12-15T15:06:51 <skylamer`> ThomasWaldmann
149 2010-12-15T15:06:51 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/95/95/3e113d07bb5f9595.png
150 2010-12-15T15:07:09 <skylamer`> http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5473/whiteclouds.png
151 2010-12-15T15:07:17 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yeah
152 2010-12-15T15:07:22 * ThomasWaldmann watches the pixels creeping into the browser...
153 2010-12-15T15:07:53 <ronny> for the first one the shadow on the TOC seems a bit strong
154 2010-12-15T15:08:30 <ronny> the rest looks nice
155 2010-12-15T15:08:49 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: that was in the right direction, but i guess i need to see a complete screenshot to see how it all matches
156 2010-12-15T15:10:03 <skylamer`> ok
157 2010-12-15T15:11:12 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: do you use windows currently?
158 2010-12-15T15:11:44 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean microsoft w....
159 2010-12-15T15:12:50 <ThomasWaldmann> if i am not mislead, i think it might be a bit too greenish/cyanish
160 2010-12-15T15:13:50 <ThomasWaldmann> and i can't compare with real sky because if I look outside, it is all grey 8(
161 2010-12-15T15:14:14 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/17/0D/7bc79b02c712170d.png
162 2010-12-15T15:14:29 <skylamer`> :D)
163 2010-12-15T15:15:03 <skylamer`> yes i use Windows 7
164 2010-12-15T15:15:16 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: do you know mikogo?
165 2010-12-15T15:15:24 <skylamer`> no
166 2010-12-15T15:15:34 <skylamer`> germany software?
167 2010-12-15T15:15:40 <ThomasWaldmann> try it, it is nice for screen presenting or remote maint
168 2010-12-15T15:15:48 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but it is in english
169 2010-12-15T15:15:50 <skylamer`> teamviewer?
170 2010-12-15T15:16:11 <ThomasWaldmann> similar, but really free as in free beer (for every use case)
171 2010-12-15T15:16:38 <skylamer`> :D)
172 2010-12-15T15:16:47 <skylamer`> free beer nice
173 2010-12-15T15:16:57 <ThomasWaldmann> you lost the content border/bg stuff?
174 2010-12-15T15:17:24 <dreimark> the bottom width of the editbar is to small
175 2010-12-15T15:17:32 <dreimark> compared to the upper one
176 2010-12-15T15:17:50 <skylamer`> where?
177 2010-12-15T15:17:52 <ThomasWaldmann> huh?
178 2010-12-15T15:18:58 <dreimark> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/3A/C2/2006340e8bf63ac2.png
179 2010-12-15T15:19:22 <ThomasWaldmann> and clouds image still looks a bit too much green or cyan for me
180 2010-12-15T15:19:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ah right, now i see it, too
181 2010-12-15T15:19:55 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/6B/25/fe726b007f446b25.png
182 2010-12-15T15:20:18 <skylamer`> littlier green clouds?
183 2010-12-15T15:20:23 <ThomasWaldmann> at the bottom / right, a few pixels width are missing to match the content border above it
184 2010-12-15T15:20:35 * dreimark has very slow bandwith to get these images
185 2010-12-15T15:21:09 <dreimark> or "The connection was reset"
186 2010-12-15T15:21:11 <ThomasWaldmann> server seems a bit underpowered or overloaded
187 2010-12-15T15:21:16 <skylamer`> this is from the other
188 2010-12-15T15:22:43 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, now bottom right looks ok
189 2010-12-15T15:23:17 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: do you see the difference between sky and editbar hue, aside from brightness?
190 2010-12-15T15:24:15 <skylamer`> Thomas
191 2010-12-15T15:24:30 <skylamer`> how is now -> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/5A/42/b1df8dc38e7f5a42.png
192 2010-12-15T15:25:00 <skylamer`> a ?
193 2010-12-15T15:25:11 <ThomasWaldmann> still creeping into my browser :)
194 2010-12-15T15:26:24 <ThomasWaldmann> not quite still, but good enough for me
195 2010-12-15T15:26:34 <xorAxAx> skylamer`: try www.imageshack.us
196 2010-12-15T15:26:46 <xorAxAx> even though the TLD is from the class enemy
197 2010-12-15T15:26:58 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the toc shadow is completely gone now, this is maybe not what ronny meant
198 2010-12-15T15:27:28 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe make 60% as much shadow as you had first, not 0
199 2010-12-15T15:27:57 <skylamer`> isnt not complety go
200 2010-12-15T15:27:59 <skylamer`> its inner
201 2010-12-15T15:28:18 <ThomasWaldmann> huh? i only see a 1px line.
202 2010-12-15T15:29:26 <skylamer`> this is border not shadow
203 2010-12-15T15:29:28 <skylamer`> :D)
204 2010-12-15T15:29:51 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i only see that, shadow gone
205 2010-12-15T15:31:00 <ThomasWaldmann> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/3A/C2/2006340e8bf63ac2.png (there the shadow was a bit too strong for ronny, but I think a little bit could stay)
206 2010-12-15T15:33:20 <skylamer`> :)
207 2010-12-15T15:35:07 *** m4k3r
208 2010-12-15T15:36:28 <skylamer`> http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8676/moinmoinz.png
209 2010-12-15T15:38:12 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/BB/6C/cb615b49db49bb6c.png
210 2010-12-15T15:38:47 <skylamer`> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/D4/51/aace8cac429bd451.png <-- here
211 2010-12-15T15:40:43 * ThomasWaldmann looks
212 2010-12-15T15:40:52 <ThomasWaldmann> just the last one?
213 2010-12-15T15:41:02 <skylamer`> yes shadow?
214 2010-12-15T15:42:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ok for me, ronny?
215 2010-12-15T15:42:39 * ronny looks
216 2010-12-15T15:43:49 <ronny> skylamer`: looks good
217 2010-12-15T15:44:06 <skylamer`> thanks
218 2010-12-15T15:45:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like you're almost done :)
219 2010-12-15T15:45:20 <ThomasWaldmann> now please submit the last screenshot and a patch to melange
220 2010-12-15T15:45:34 <ThomasWaldmann> and the fixed clouds image
221 2010-12-15T15:46:08 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: do you like to approve this one?
222 2010-12-15T15:48:38 <ronny> sure
223 2010-12-15T15:48:44 <ronny> got a url for me?
224 2010-12-15T15:50:27 <ThomasWaldmann> omg, time chooses zuckerberg for the person of the year (not assange)
225 2010-12-15T15:54:10 <skylamer`> ThomasWaldmann now how to make thiz .patch file ?
226 2010-12-15T15:54:16 <skylamer`> can i just send a .css ?!
227 2010-12-15T15:54:34 <ThomasWaldmann> we have a video about that :)
228 2010-12-15T15:54:48 <ThomasWaldmann> is the css based on latest moin2 repo?
229 2010-12-15T15:54:56 <skylamer`> yes
230 2010-12-15T15:55:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then just submit all files you changed. css, white_clouds.png, anything else?
231 2010-12-15T15:55:51 <skylamer`> no as far as i remember
232 2010-12-15T15:55:52 <skylamer`> :D)
233 2010-12-15T16:06:17 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: can you give ronny the url?
234 2010-12-15T16:09:04 <skylamer`> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129202087976
235 2010-12-15T16:12:08 <ronny> mark as complete i guess
236 2010-12-15T16:12:35 <dreimark> ronny: not before reviewing
237 2010-12-15T16:12:42 <dreimark> :)
238 2010-12-15T16:15:54 <ronny> where should i put the files from the zip to try local
239 2010-12-15T16:16:41 <skylamer`> in
240 2010-12-15T16:16:43 <skylamer`> moinmon folder
241 2010-12-15T16:16:48 <skylamer`> then moinmoin
242 2010-12-15T16:16:48 <ThomasWaldmann> skylamer`: put answer into comment in melange :)
243 2010-12-15T16:16:51 <skylamer`> then _thees
244 2010-12-15T16:17:03 <skylamer`> k
245 2010-12-15T16:56:37 *** gwork
246 2010-12-15T17:06:55 <ronny> hmm, /me broke his local moin
247 2010-12-15T17:07:18 <dreimark> ronny: hg revert --all
248 2010-12-15T17:07:56 <ronny> dreimark: it jsut started working after a purge of all files
249 2010-12-15T17:08:44 <dreimark> i had yesterday a problem because of a removed pytest library. ./moin didn't want to start the server process
250 2010-12-15T17:09:16 <dreimark> i solved it by easy_install -U pytest. no idea why we have there a dependency
251 2010-12-15T17:09:53 <dreimark> the traceback is on the other system, we can may be talk about that later
252 2010-12-15T17:11:58 <ronny> kk
253 2010-12-15T17:13:29 *** skylamer`
254 2010-12-15T17:20:16 *** Samm
255 2010-12-15T17:28:56 *** Samm
256 2010-12-15T17:51:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: you are currently reviewing skylamer's stuff?
257 2010-12-15T18:10:05 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: it seems fine on my local moin
258 2010-12-15T18:10:38 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i'll mark it as complete now
259 2010-12-15T18:10:47 <dreimark> ;)
260 2010-12-15T18:13:06 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: ok, great
261 2010-12-15T18:13:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: you commit it to your bb repo?
262 2010-12-15T18:14:20 <ThomasWaldmann> as comment please .... (Student's name/nick, GCI 2010)
263 2010-12-15T18:14:46 <ThomasWaldmann> or rather (thanks to ...)
264 2010-12-15T18:20:04 <ronny> oh
265 2010-12-15T18:27:03 * ThomasWaldmann will be away soon and maybe without internet :|
266 2010-12-15T18:27:05 *** skylamer`
267 2010-12-15T18:27:18 <pvinogradov> Hi ThomasWaldmann
268 2010-12-15T18:27:38 <ThomasWaldmann> hi pvinogradov
269 2010-12-15T18:27:42 <pvinogradov> i'm just finish my "more secure password storage" task
270 2010-12-15T18:27:56 <pvinogradov> all code submited to https://bitbucket.org/pavel_vinogradov/gci10-moin-2.0-dev
271 2010-12-15T18:28:29 * ThomasWaldmann looks
272 2010-12-15T18:28:31 <pvinogradov> i'm implement use ssha256 as default for new users and auto upgrade passwords on login
273 2010-12-15T18:28:59 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
274 2010-12-15T18:29:02 <pvinogradov> all tests passed (including new tests for ssha password)
275 2010-12-15T18:29:16 <pvinogradov> and i ready to comments and suggestions:)
276 2010-12-15T18:32:15 <ThomasWaldmann> the last few bytes of the pw hash string is the salt+== ?
277 2010-12-15T18:33:13 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, right, see it now
278 2010-12-15T18:37:47 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: btw, seen the gawker news?
279 2010-12-15T18:38:57 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, the salt, should it maybe be as long as the hash length?
280 2010-12-15T18:39:22 <ThomasWaldmann> 20 looks like 160bit sha1, but we now have 256bit (32)
281 2010-12-15T18:39:51 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/pavel_vinogradov/gci10-moin-2.0-dev/src/tip/MoinMoin/user.py#cl-177
282 2010-12-15T18:40:34 <pvinogradov> ThomasWaldmann: I never hear about gawker news before
283 2010-12-15T18:40:57 <jbills> ThomasWaldman: The problem was one of 2 spaces
284 2010-12-15T18:41:40 <pvinogradov> about salt length - i remember this code, but i don't know why moin use 20 as langth. now i understand.
285 2010-12-15T18:41:55 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/14/1529232/The-Top-50-Gawker-Media-Passwords
286 2010-12-15T18:42:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (they stored PWs using crypt())
287 2010-12-15T18:42:43 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: at another place, code seems to expect 32bytes for the salt
288 2010-12-15T18:43:40 <pvinogradov> yes, i see this place
289 2010-12-15T18:46:17 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, that code in _validatePassword looks a bit strange
290 2010-12-15T18:47:15 <dreimark> bbl
291 2010-12-15T18:47:56 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: can the SSHA related code be moved into the loop above?
292 2010-12-15T18:48:40 <pvinogradov> i'm try to move it, but ssha password comparation is different
293 2010-12-15T18:49:44 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, just seeing something that is somehow closely related to your task :)
294 2010-12-15T18:50:16 <pvinogradov> but maybe i'm wrong, give me some time to think
295 2010-12-15T18:50:23 <ThomasWaldmann> the recovery token code uses sha1 still. maybe we shouldn't use weaker hashes there as for storing pws.
296 2010-12-15T18:51:18 <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, it is time limited to 12h, so maybe no problem
297 2010-12-15T18:51:46 <ThomasWaldmann> and just random stuff, no passwords
298 2010-12-15T18:52:51 <ThomasWaldmann> other than this, I didn't see anything else jumping at me :) good work.
299 2010-12-15T18:56:35 <jbills> ThomasWaldman: I have got 1/2 problems fixed
300 2010-12-15T18:58:00 <ThomasWaldmann> jbills: you need to give more details, including a link to your task or to the code you are referring to, or it is hard to follow you
301 2010-12-15T18:58:05 *** NikitaUtiu
302 2010-12-15T18:58:10 <NikitaUtiu> hello
303 2010-12-15T18:58:15 <jbills> ok
304 2010-12-15T18:58:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ha, that was fast :)
305 2010-12-15T18:58:24 <ThomasWaldmann> hi NikitaUtiu
306 2010-12-15T18:58:40 <NikitaUtiu> hello, all:D
307 2010-12-15T18:58:57 <NikitaUtiu> so, what do i need to know about this task ?
308 2010-12-15T18:59:14 <ThomasWaldmann> you need the moin/2.0-dev source :)
309 2010-12-15T19:00:08 <NikitaUtiu> ok, where do i download it from ?
310 2010-12-15T19:00:29 <ThomasWaldmann> see the task description's link section
311 2010-12-15T19:01:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and use hg clone thaturl moin-2.0-dev
312 2010-12-15T19:02:40 <NikitaUtiu> i'm getting it right now
313 2010-12-15T19:03:09 <pvinogradov> ThomasWaldmann: i'm move SSHA password code into hashes loop
314 2010-12-15T19:03:33 <pvinogradov> this code is already pushed to my repo
315 2010-12-15T19:04:20 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: great. did you run ALL tests afterwards, btw?
316 2010-12-15T19:04:37 <ThomasWaldmann> (or at least the pw related ones and test_sourcecode?)
317 2010-12-15T19:05:43 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/tip/MoinMoin/converter/link.py this file is maybe the most interesting for you
318 2010-12-15T19:06:18 <pvinogradov> only pw related and sourcecode, but already start all tests for original 2.0-dev and my tree
319 2010-12-15T19:06:22 <ThomasWaldmann> line 147+ handles ItemLinks - what you have to do is somehow similar
320 2010-12-15T19:06:36 <pvinogradov> i'm also want ask about @return comment in http://bpaste.net/show/12279/
321 2010-12-15T19:06:43 <NikitaUtiu> this is the one with itemlinks, isn't it ?
322 2010-12-15T19:08:03 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: huh, "or None"? :)
323 2010-12-15T19:08:36 <ThomasWaldmann> and I don't know whether SSHA256 is apache compatible, please find out.
324 2010-12-15T19:09:26 <NikitaUtiu> i'll study it a little
325 2010-12-15T19:09:45 <ThomasWaldmann> if it is not, maybe we want to rephrase that, so it is not misleading
326 2010-12-15T19:10:53 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: if you have questions, just ask and wait (maybe I'll be a away a bit, but other mentors can help you also)
327 2010-12-15T19:11:17 <NikitaUtiu> sure :)
328 2010-12-15T19:11:35 *** kursor
329 2010-12-15T19:11:37 <ThomasWaldmann> and if you use grep or some other search tool heavily, you maybe can find most of what you need / all places related to ITEMLINKS
330 2010-12-15T19:12:22 <NikitaUtiu> btw, hg hangs when i tried to retrieve the source
331 2010-12-15T19:12:24 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: if you just save some moin wiki markup item that has some links, you can look onto the meta view afterwards to see what it does
332 2010-12-15T19:12:38 <ThomasWaldmann> it takes a while, be patient
333 2010-12-15T19:13:38 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: btw, did you practically try your code also?
334 2010-12-15T19:14:54 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+meta/MoinMoin2 see there for example
335 2010-12-15T19:16:31 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: as an implementation hint: try if you can cleanly implement your stuff without creating a completely new Converter
336 2010-12-15T19:16:55 <ThomasWaldmann> the stuff is similar enough so it can be done in same converter as itemlinks.
337 2010-12-15T19:17:23 <ThomasWaldmann> The point is that each converter does a full tree traversal and that takes time...
338 2010-12-15T19:17:51 <NikitaUtiu> i have to look a little over the implementation of the itemlinks converter to see how it works
339 2010-12-15T19:18:29 <ThomasWaldmann> sure
340 2010-12-15T19:19:11 <NikitaUtiu> for debugging: how can i display the metadata of a page, is there a certain action to do this ?
341 2010-12-15T19:19:34 <ThomasWaldmann> see that url i posted a minute ago
342 2010-12-15T19:20:02 <jbills> ronny: What was the solution you showed me to delete all files ending in .pyc?
343 2010-12-15T19:20:18 <ThomasWaldmann> make clean? :)
344 2010-12-15T19:21:23 <jbills> yes
345 2010-12-15T19:24:50 <ThomasWaldmann> anyway, I'll leave now. Maybe back in an hour, for sure in 3..4h.
346 2010-12-15T19:26:14 *** greg_f
347 2010-12-15T19:54:23 <dreimark> re
348 2010-12-15T20:01:27 *** NikitaUtiu
349 2010-12-15T20:01:41 *** Samm
350 2010-12-15T20:23:11 *** grzywacz
351 2010-12-15T20:23:11 *** grzywacz
352 2010-12-15T20:29:31 *** Guest39847
353 2010-12-15T20:32:59 *** Guest39847
354 2010-12-15T20:32:59 *** Guest39847
355 2010-12-15T20:33:03 *** Guest39847
356 2010-12-15T20:42:01 *** kursor
357 2010-12-15T20:43:51 <jbills> How are generators used?
358 2010-12-15T20:45:31 <grzywacz> ?
359 2010-12-15T20:47:13 <jbills> The TOC macro uses generators
360 2010-12-15T20:54:40 <grzywacz> Sorry, I don't have the sources handy. Are you talking about Python generators?
361 2010-12-15T21:01:02 <jbills> I got this error: TypeError: 'generator' object is unsubscriptable
362 2010-12-15T21:02:16 <jbills> grzywacz: I need to get the number of levels in the toc
363 2010-12-15T21:02:39 <grzywacz> jbills, yeah, you can't index generators or len() them.
364 2010-12-15T21:02:48 <grzywacz> jbills, you can make a list first: list(generator)
365 2010-12-15T21:02:57 <grzywacz> jbills, or do trickery like sum(1 for _ in generator)
366 2010-12-15T21:03:05 <grzywacz> or maybe xorAxAx knows better ;)
367 2010-12-15T21:03:16 <jbills> thanks
368 2010-12-15T21:03:23 <xorAxAx> yes, thats right
369 2010-12-15T21:03:53 <grzywacz> hey xorAxAx, long time no talk :)
370 2010-12-15T21:05:20 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: indeed!
371 2010-12-15T21:17:32 *** Samm
372 2010-12-15T21:34:18 <jbills> grzywacz: When I use the list method It no longer has anything in the generator
373 2010-12-15T21:34:32 <grzywacz> jbills, yes, because it's in the list :)
374 2010-12-15T21:34:51 <jbills> how do I get it back to a generator
375 2010-12-15T21:36:18 <grzywacz> Why would you want to do that?
376 2010-12-15T21:36:40 <grzywacz> It *generates* values. Once you take them, there's no going back. ;)
377 2010-12-15T21:37:20 <jbills> because of a loop wich uses the generator
378 2010-12-15T21:38:15 <grzywacz> Then make it loop over the list you got.
379 2010-12-15T21:38:44 <jbills> ok
380 2010-12-15T21:39:04 <grzywacz> Or change the code so it doesn't need the length up front.
381 2010-12-15T21:39:14 <grzywacz> I don't really know what you're doing, so I can't give you the best possible advice. ;)
382 2010-12-15T21:58:20 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: ok, i pushed the work of skylamer` to my repo
383 2010-12-15T22:08:34 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll pull :)
384 2010-12-15T22:20:10 <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/305339/
385 2010-12-15T22:20:29 <dreimark> yesterday I had a corrupt pytest installation
386 2010-12-15T22:20:29 *** m4k3r
387 2010-12-15T22:21:07 <dreimark> it looks like we have a dependency currently
388 2010-12-15T22:21:38 <ronny> dreimark: what in moin uses pylib?
389 2010-12-15T22:22:16 <ronny> i wonder if the werkzeug reloader triggers it
390 2010-12-15T22:23:30 <dreimark> oh, yes, but then we should think about to add it to the support lib
391 2010-12-15T22:23:34 * m4k3r found a really strange bug in mercurial :O
392 2010-12-15T22:23:36 <m4k3r> http://bitbucket.org/maker/moin-2.0-dev/changesets
393 2010-12-15T22:23:59 <m4k3r> Anyway, dreimark, ThomasWaldmann, you can start reviewing my current work.
394 2010-12-15T22:24:31 <m4k3r> It's not completed, but opinions about the way I'm implementing openid are welcome :)
395 2010-12-15T22:43:09 <dreimark> m4k3r: why **params in def handle_login(userobj=None, **params):
396 2010-12-15T22:43:29 <dreimark> and not all needed keys
397 2010-12-15T22:44:51 <m4k3r> dreimark: becouse previously the function which calls handle_login created a dictionary with the needed keys.
398 2010-12-15T22:45:03 <m4k3r> And _just_ them.
399 2010-12-15T22:47:06 <dreimark> but now it is rather undefined what can be given
400 2010-12-15T22:47:12 *** skylamer`
401 2010-12-15T22:49:30 <m4k3r> dreimark: it makes login more flexible. Now, for example, it's undifferent to pass an openid_url, from just a simple username/password.
402 2010-12-15T23:01:46 *** Samm
403 2010-12-15T23:17:10 <diofeher> good evening!
404 2010-12-15T23:17:36 <diofeher> is someone needing help? :P
405 2010-12-15T23:24:40 <ThomasWaldmann> re
406 2010-12-15T23:24:53 <ThomasWaldmann> hi diofeher
407 2010-12-15T23:25:04 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann, hi thomas ^^
408 2010-12-15T23:25:18 <diofeher> finally i've terminated my graduation o/
409 2010-12-15T23:25:24 <diofeher> now i'm in vacation
410 2010-12-15T23:25:29 <diofeher> how is gci going?
411 2010-12-15T23:27:38 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: "terminated" sounds strange :D
412 2010-12-15T23:28:16 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: congrats :)
413 2010-12-15T23:28:34 <ThomasWaldmann> students doing great work :)
414 2010-12-15T23:29:09 <CIA-62> Ronny Pfannschmidt <Ronny.Pfannschmidt@gmx.de> default * 10131:43c80eb8741f 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/ (css/common.css css/screen.css img/white_clouds.png): different background image to the default theme (thanks to MST/GHCI 2010)
415 2010-12-15T23:29:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: google code-in == gci ^^
416 2010-12-15T23:30:25 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann, yes, finished hehe
417 2010-12-15T23:30:26 <diofeher> =p
418 2010-12-15T23:30:27 <diofeher> thanks
419 2010-12-15T23:31:49 <diofeher> we have a separate repository for students or they are sending patches?
420 2010-12-15T23:32:06 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: the border gradients are missing somehow
421 2010-12-15T23:32:34 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: patches, files, archive, bb, exported changesets
422 2010-12-15T23:36:41 <ThomasWaldmann> now we need to move the editor info
423 2010-12-15T23:42:00 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: weird, i saw them on my box, did i miss something
424 2010-12-15T23:42:30 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't know, no borders here
425 2010-12-15T23:43:27 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.comparenetworks.com/developers/jqueryplugins/jbreadcrumb.html
426 2010-12-15T23:46:25 <ThomasWaldmann> what do we do with that editor info line? shall we just kill it? redesign footer area and include it there?
427 2010-12-15T23:47:12 <ThomasWaldmann> (last time i printed out some flyer made in a wiki, i found that editor line rather annoying)
428 2010-12-15T23:47:37 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann, hm, nice
429 2010-12-15T23:47:45 <diofeher> is there any way so i can help now? ^^
430 2010-12-15T23:48:17 <dreimark> we should may be move it into history
431 2010-12-15T23:48:43 <ThomasWaldmann> in history we have that info anyway
432 2010-12-15T23:48:57 <ThomasWaldmann> that's one of the reasons why i even consider to just kill that line
433 2010-12-15T23:49:28 <ThomasWaldmann> (of course the downside is you can't see at one glance who edited it last and when)
434 2010-12-15T23:49:47 <dreimark> we should make a task to show it on mouse over
435 2010-12-15T23:50:30 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have to move the mouse to some specific place for that, you could as well click
436 2010-12-15T23:52:51 <dreimark> for some people it is important to get the info and they like it on the page
437 2010-12-15T23:53:22 <dreimark> i have already written my opinion on the gci taks, it is may be not the best location
438 2010-12-15T23:55:01 <ThomasWaldmann> diofeher: you can help checking the new changesets, patches, css, ...
439 2010-12-15T23:56:17 <m4k3r> ThomasWaldmann: do you prefer that functions like this one (http://bitbucket.org/maker/moin-2.0-dev/changeset/705a5b968494) under a 'if config.default.using_openid'?
440 2010-12-15T23:56:40 <m4k3r> s/that//
441 2010-12-15T23:59:25 <ThomasWaldmann> m4k3r: if the function does no harm if no openid stuff is installed, then this is not neede
442 2010-12-15T23:59:28 <ThomasWaldmann> d
443 2010-12-15T23:59:35 <m4k3r> Ok-
