1 2011-02-08T00:00:05 <cosmos_thought> ah okay np
2 2011-02-08T00:05:14 *** fucheeno
3 2011-02-08T00:22:46 *** m4k3r
4 2011-02-08T00:23:10 *** cosmos_thought
5 2011-02-08T00:23:46 *** cosmos_thought
6 2011-02-08T00:27:40 *** Marchael
7 2011-02-08T01:20:53 *** fucheeno
8 2011-02-08T02:17:31 *** Marchael
9 2011-02-08T03:08:12 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/ThomasWaldmann/Moin2BrainDump?action=diff&rev2=45&rev1=44
10 2011-02-08T03:08:17 <ThomasWaldmann> comments, please
11 2011-02-08T03:16:13 *** cosmos_t1ought
12 2011-02-08T03:19:11 *** cosmos_thought
13 2011-02-08T03:50:02 *** espeed
14 2011-02-08T03:51:12 *** espeed
15 2011-02-08T05:21:27 *** kursor
16 2011-02-08T05:42:53 *** kursor
17 2011-02-08T05:47:16 *** kursor
18 2011-02-08T06:24:12 *** kursor
19 2011-02-08T07:43:17 *** kasun
20 2011-02-08T08:04:41 *** kasun
21 2011-02-08T08:05:50 *** Marchael
22 2011-02-08T08:17:47 *** kasun
23 2011-02-08T08:20:29 *** gwork
24 2011-02-08T09:05:33 *** fucheeno
25 2011-02-08T09:06:50 <dreimark> moin
26 2011-02-08T09:20:35 *** cosmos_t1ought
27 2011-02-08T09:20:54 *** cosmos_thought
28 2011-02-08T09:49:11 *** Marchael
29 2011-02-08T09:53:11 *** Marchael
30 2011-02-08T10:10:54 *** espeed
31 2011-02-08T10:21:21 *** Trip_
32 2011-02-08T10:21:41 *** Trip_
33 2011-02-08T10:21:53 *** Marchael
34 2011-02-08T10:22:25 *** Trip_
35 2011-02-08T10:23:12 *** cosmos_thought
36 2011-02-08T10:23:32 *** cosmos_thought
37 2011-02-08T11:01:57 *** espeed
38 2011-02-08T11:14:34 *** cosmos_thought
39 2011-02-08T11:14:56 *** cosmos_thought
40 2011-02-08T11:23:51 *** Marchael
41 2011-02-08T11:30:17 <Marchael> moin
42 2011-02-08T11:30:45 *** greg_f
43 2011-02-08T11:30:47 <Marchael> I got error 'AssertionError: missing toplevel element' with last update of moin
44 2011-02-08T11:31:18 <Marchael> I try to modify(or create) page and got this error
45 2011-02-08T11:41:47 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: can I provide additional info about this bug?
46 2011-02-08T11:48:21 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, traceback to pastebin please
47 2011-02-08T11:50:22 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: http://pastebin.com/aM8bzLde
48 2011-02-08T11:50:46 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, paste.pocoo.org is quite nice
49 2011-02-08T11:52:07 <ThomasWaldmann> is this a text/html item?
50 2011-02-08T11:54:24 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the traceback you get on the console might be more suitable for pastebin
51 2011-02-08T11:54:58 <Marchael> for binary I got this traceback too
52 2011-02-08T11:57:27 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, maybe it is trying some inappropriate conversion
53 2011-02-08T11:59:23 <ThomasWaldmann> what is the url you were using when the crash happened?
54 2011-02-08T12:00:01 <Marchael> http://localhost:8080/+modify/HelpContents?mimetype=application%2Foctet-stream
55 2011-02-08T12:01:47 <ThomasWaldmann> was that crash happening on item creation?
56 2011-02-08T12:02:11 * ThomasWaldmann just created a binary item from /bin/cat without problems
57 2011-02-08T12:03:56 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: Yes, I can`t create any item.
58 2011-02-08T12:04:55 <ThomasWaldmann> strange. works for me.
59 2011-02-08T12:05:04 <ThomasWaldmann> can you create a moin wiki item?
60 2011-02-08T12:06:39 <Marchael> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/334238/
61 2011-02-08T12:07:49 <Marchael> hm, try to test this on pervious versions
62 2011-02-08T12:09:00 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow it always uses the html_in converter. this converter should only get called if the item mimetype is text/html
63 2011-02-08T12:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> MoinMoin/items/__init__.py", line 223 maybe you could add some debug code before that line, where it determines the mimetype and the correct converter
64 2011-02-08T12:11:41 <ThomasWaldmann> it must be something specific to your system, though, works here
65 2011-02-08T12:12:30 <ThomasWaldmann> did you do a system-wide install, no virtualenv?
66 2011-02-08T12:13:06 <Marchael> system-wide
67 2011-02-08T12:22:52 <ThomasWaldmann> can you show the item's metadata?
68 2011-02-08T12:25:01 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael:
69 2011-02-08T12:27:44 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: Yes yes, please wait several minutes
70 2011-02-08T12:28:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
71 2011-02-08T12:42:31 *** espeed
72 2011-02-08T12:46:31 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: >can you show the item's metadata?
73 2011-02-08T12:46:32 <Marchael> How can I do it, if when I open http://localhost:8080/HelpContents it gives me same traceback?
74 2011-02-08T12:47:14 <Marchael> But http://localhost:8080/+meta/Home opens normaly
75 2011-02-08T12:50:09 <ThomasWaldmann> /+meta/HelpContents ?
76 2011-02-08T12:52:49 <Marchael> It is opening, but hasn`t any data
77 2011-02-08T12:55:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like item creation is broken somehow for you
78 2011-02-08T12:55:27 <ThomasWaldmann> can you add debug code as I said?
79 2011-02-08T12:55:56 <Marchael> Hm, after manually restart ./moin I got this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/334258/
80 2011-02-08T12:56:01 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you can't reproduce that one http://test.moinmo.in:8080/ , can you?
81 2011-02-08T12:56:09 <ThomasWaldmann> on*
82 2011-02-08T12:57:08 <ThomasWaldmann> the mimetype there is wrong if that is not HTML what you put into that item
83 2011-02-08T12:57:42 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
84 2011-02-08T13:01:22 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: I try to create http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+modify/WikiSandBox/Discussion
85 2011-02-08T13:01:47 <Marchael> but it doesn`t appear after creating
86 2011-02-08T13:02:36 <Marchael> just offer me to create it again
87 2011-02-08T13:08:26 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: same story with http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+meta/WikiSandBox
88 2011-02-08T13:09:55 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+modify/WikiSandBox/Discussion show html editor with "Test" to me
89 2011-02-08T13:11:10 <ThomasWaldmann> but crashes on "show"
90 2011-02-08T13:11:23 <ThomasWaldmann> so, did you create an html item there?
91 2011-02-08T13:12:53 <Marchael> Yes, now it`s give me "TEST"
92 2011-02-08T13:13:37 <Marchael> "Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application."
93 2011-02-08T13:13:42 <ThomasWaldmann> i just created binary, plaintext and moinwiki items without issue
94 2011-02-08T13:13:49 <Marchael> when I try destroy my changes
95 2011-02-08T13:14:06 <ThomasWaldmann> so, what are we talking about exactly?
96 2011-02-08T13:14:31 <Marchael> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/WikiSandBox
97 2011-02-08T13:14:58 <ThomasWaldmann> i see that this is crashing, but I don't know what you did exactly
98 2011-02-08T13:15:23 <Marchael> destroy my last changes on this page
99 2011-02-08T13:15:46 <Marchael> *last changes in history
100 2011-02-08T13:16:21 <ThomasWaldmann> WikiSandBox 0 08.02.2011 12:08:00 4 marchael text/html TEST
101 2011-02-08T13:16:48 <ThomasWaldmann> it looks like you create a revision 0 with type text/html there
102 2011-02-08T13:16:55 <ThomasWaldmann> is that what you did?
103 2011-02-08T13:18:04 <Marchael> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+destroy/0/WikiSandBox
104 2011-02-08T13:18:22 <ThomasWaldmann> but, as /+get/WikiSandBox shows, the contents there is not html, it is just "TEST"
105 2011-02-08T13:21:17 * ThomasWaldmann is not sure what exactly the requirements for a html item are, but maybe it needs SOME toplevel block element
106 2011-02-08T13:21:48 <ThomasWaldmann> like <p>...</p> or <div>...</div>?
107 2011-02-08T13:23:06 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+highlight/texthtml this is what i get if i just create a new text/html item, type "test" into ckeditor and save
108 2011-02-08T13:23:21 <ThomasWaldmann> what browser are you using?
109 2011-02-08T13:24:40 <Marchael> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101230 Firefox/3.6.13"
110 2011-02-08T13:24:50 *** greg_f
111 2011-02-08T13:25:26 <ThomasWaldmann> same here. did you disable javascript?
112 2011-02-08T13:25:52 <Marchael> no of course
113 2011-02-08T13:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> so you get a fancy html editor (ckeditor) with nice buttons when creating a html item?
114 2011-02-08T13:26:55 <Marchael> Yes, I see it
115 2011-02-08T13:27:12 <Marchael> and contet what I add before
116 2011-02-08T13:27:18 <Marchael> *content
117 2011-02-08T13:27:22 <ThomasWaldmann> and you just type in TEST and save?
118 2011-02-08T13:27:26 *** greg_f
119 2011-02-08T13:27:34 <Marchael> yes, nothing more
120 2011-02-08T13:27:47 <ThomasWaldmann> i did same. i get <p>, you don't.
121 2011-02-08T13:27:56 <ThomasWaldmann> rather strange.
122 2011-02-08T13:28:15 <Marchael> strange
123 2011-02-08T13:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> try again, create a fresh html item, type in test and then click on "Source" button at the upper left in ckeditor
124 2011-02-08T13:31:12 * ThomasWaldmann gets <p>\n test</p> then
125 2011-02-08T13:31:20 <Marchael> oh, again 500
126 2011-02-08T13:31:46 <Marchael> I`m just destroing my last revision
127 2011-02-08T13:32:24 <ThomasWaldmann> you're testing destroy more often than me :D
128 2011-02-08T13:33:58 <Marchael> <p>
129 2011-02-08T13:33:58 <Marchael> HTML item</p>
130 2011-02-08T13:34:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, that should save ok
131 2011-02-08T13:34:33 <Marchael> and 500
132 2011-02-08T13:35:15 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/WikiSandBox shows ok for me
133 2011-02-08T13:35:48 <Marchael> hm, strange
134 2011-02-08T13:36:14 <Marchael> may be proxy server chaching 500 and gives it to me :)
135 2011-02-08T13:36:30 <Marchael> oh, now normal
136 2011-02-08T13:37:29 <ThomasWaldmann> was that the proxy which didn't knew hg.moinmo.in? :)
137 2011-02-08T13:37:54 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: yes, it is. :)
138 2011-02-08T13:38:14 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it is a bit broken :)
139 2011-02-08T13:39:04 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: what http://test.moinmo.in:8080/WikiSandBox giving now?
140 2011-02-08T13:39:16 <Marchael> I see 'WikiSandBox does not exist. Create it?'
141 2011-02-08T13:40:42 <ThomasWaldmann> it shows "test"
142 2011-02-08T13:40:54 <ThomasWaldmann> shift-reload?
143 2011-02-08T13:43:02 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, these issues we are seeing can mean 2 things
144 2011-02-08T13:43:37 <ThomasWaldmann> a) maybe your proxy is a bit broken (it for sure has dns issues, but maybe others also)
145 2011-02-08T13:44:03 <ThomasWaldmann> b) maybe the caching headers moin emits can be improved
146 2011-02-08T13:45:21 <Marchael> looks like bug on my localhost working only just for me :)
147 2011-02-08T13:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the normal http responses for wiki item views don't have any cache headers
148 2011-02-08T13:54:43 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe this is part of the issue, because a proxy then maybe caches too aggressively?
149 2011-02-08T13:55:32 <ThomasWaldmann> but you shouldn't have such issues on localhost, your browser shouldn't use a proxy for that
150 2011-02-08T13:57:40 *** gwork
151 2011-02-08T14:03:39 *** Marchael
152 2011-02-08T14:11:50 *** cosmos_thought
153 2011-02-08T14:12:13 *** cosmos_thought
154 2011-02-08T14:16:34 *** Marchael
155 2011-02-08T14:22:01 *** gwork
156 2011-02-08T14:23:47 *** Marchael
157 2011-02-08T14:28:57 *** Marchael
158 2011-02-08T14:47:39 *** ronny
159 2011-02-08T14:51:19 *** Gnarlodious
160 2011-02-08T14:52:08 *** Gnarlodious
161 2011-02-08T14:54:56 *** Gnarlodious
162 2011-02-08T14:55:50 *** Gnarlodious
163 2011-02-08T14:56:04 *** Gnarlodious
164 2011-02-08T15:07:26 *** ronny
165 2011-02-08T15:09:08 *** Marchael
166 2011-02-08T15:13:19 *** Marchael
167 2011-02-08T15:18:07 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: can this issue appears due the python versions?
168 2011-02-08T15:18:41 <Marchael> I have 2.7.1
169 2011-02-08T15:27:10 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't think so
170 2011-02-08T15:28:05 <Marchael> hm, I destroy previous page and recreate this, and all working
171 2011-02-08T15:28:09 <Marchael> wtf
172 2011-02-08T15:39:23 <ThomasWaldmann> usually it is expected to be deterministic somehow :D
173 2011-02-08T15:41:06 *** kursor
174 2011-02-08T16:01:32 *** kasun
175 2011-02-08T16:08:36 <dreimark> re
176 2011-02-08T16:12:28 *** m4k3r
177 2011-02-08T16:22:23 *** fucheeno
178 2011-02-08T16:31:31 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10425:0d3cbb02937c 2.0-dev/docs/admin/configure.rst: docs: user interface customization
179 2011-02-08T16:33:47 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10426:d7aa7abb89ac 2.0-dev/docs/examples/config/wikiconfig.py: remove logo from example config, not used any more
180 2011-02-08T16:39:21 *** fucheeno
181 2011-02-08T16:48:49 <Marchael> Is test.moinmo.in:8080 running?
182 2011-02-08T16:53:21 <ThomasWaldmann> oops. try now
183 2011-02-08T16:55:14 <Marchael> (61) Connection refused
184 2011-02-08T16:55:56 <ThomasWaldmann> now
185 2011-02-08T16:56:33 <ThomasWaldmann> sorry, was confusing local and remote windows and killed the moin test site process :D
186 2011-02-08T16:56:41 <Marchael> working
187 2011-02-08T16:57:10 <ThomasWaldmann> 2011-02-08 15:56:50,981 ERROR werkzeug:116 195.54.14.5 code 400, message Bad request version ('HTTP1.0')
188 2011-02-08T16:57:21 <ThomasWaldmann> your proxy? :=
189 2011-02-08T16:57:23 <ThomasWaldmann> )
190 2011-02-08T16:57:33 <Marchael> yes, it is :)
191 2011-02-08T16:58:11 <ThomasWaldmann> seriously, maybe they need help with such stuff?
192 2011-02-08T16:58:52 <ThomasWaldmann> 2011-02-08 15:59:02,174 INFO werkzeug:116 195.54.14.5 "GET /ARGGGHHH_I_HATE_THIS_PROXY HTTP1.0" 400 -
193 2011-02-08T16:58:55 <ThomasWaldmann> lol
194 2011-02-08T16:59:42 <Marchael> I`m testing it with netcat :D
195 2011-02-08T17:00:11 <ThomasWaldmann> well, then maybe you missed some headers
196 2011-02-08T17:00:30 <Marchael> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+destroy/0/WikiSandBox
197 2011-02-08T17:00:38 <ThomasWaldmann> you should speak http 1.1 to it
198 2011-02-08T17:01:27 <dreimark> 400 Bad Request
199 2011-02-08T17:01:27 <dreimark> The request could not be understood by the server due to malformed
200 2011-02-08T17:01:27 <dreimark> syntax. The client should not repeat the request without
201 2011-02-08T17:01:41 <ThomasWaldmann> AttributeError: 'NonExistent' object has no attribute 'destroy_template'
202 2011-02-08T17:03:57 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: btw, how about https?
203 2011-02-08T17:04:32 <ThomasWaldmann> (not supported right now, but maybe worth a try, so your proxy stays mostly out of the way)
204 2011-02-08T17:05:40 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/DiogenesAugusto/CreatingAlternateStyleSheet
205 2011-02-08T17:06:02 <ThomasWaldmann> why does he refer to 1.9.3 stylesheets there if his project was on moin2?
206 2011-02-08T17:06:11 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: I think it`s good idea, but I still got this annoying bug.
207 2011-02-08T17:06:29 * dreimark looks
208 2011-02-08T17:07:35 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: if i could reproduce it locally, it'ld be helpful
209 2011-02-08T17:08:39 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: no idea, may be because that css file was more complete than the one he had to work on
210 2011-02-08T17:08:53 <Marchael> what say http://test.moinmo.in:8080/WikiSandBox ?
211 2011-02-08T17:09:52 <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+modify/WikiSandBox works for me, but your url not
212 2011-02-08T17:10:16 <dreimark> and I saved a revision
213 2011-02-08T17:10:33 <dreimark> Marchael: http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+history/WikiSandBox
214 2011-02-08T17:10:37 <dreimark> yours was 0 bytes
215 2011-02-08T17:10:54 <Marchael> yes
216 2011-02-08T17:11:08 <Marchael> and after that I got 500
217 2011-02-08T17:11:43 <dreimark> if i try to revert i seem to destroy the item
218 2011-02-08T17:11:52 <Marchael> when I do it on localhost it give me traceback
219 2011-02-08T17:11:56 <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/+history/WikiSandBox
220 2011-02-08T17:12:01 <dreimark> is now not existing
221 2011-02-08T17:14:04 * dreimark added it to EasyToDo - not sure if it is easy to fix, but it had worked some time ago
222 2011-02-08T17:14:10 <Marchael> And I did something wrong? Just clean all changes in textarea and after this it`s show me 'Internal Server Error'
223 2011-02-08T17:15:22 <dreimark> there are problems because of bugs and also problems because of broken http headers
224 2011-02-08T17:16:02 <dreimark> we should first look at our bugs and how to remove access by broken http headers
225 2011-02-08T17:16:33 <dreimark> s/remove/disable/
226 2011-02-08T17:25:22 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we should focus better on a single thing and not test all sorts of stuff
227 2011-02-08T17:25:24 <MattMaker> I have a suggestion that falls squarely within the MoinMoin server's responsibilities: always assume that the user may be selectively disabling (per page or per snippet or etc.) or even tweaking and automatically altering or filtering, any javascript and cookies. if the page or feature must then fail, fall back to displaying some text that signals the user which thing they need to be allowing
228 2011-02-08T17:25:58 <MattMaker> websites and web servers so often fail to do that
229 2011-02-08T17:26:13 <dreimark> MattMaker: add a featrure request page for moin-2
230 2011-02-08T17:26:24 <dreimark> s/featrure/feature/
231 2011-02-08T17:26:45 <ThomasWaldmann> that's a basic web design thing, not a feature :)
232 2011-02-08T17:26:52 <MattMaker> (like, for me the "new Twitter.com" is... blank! they acknowledge it's a bug, but the instructions to work around it are "turn off all security and don't use any browser add-ons" :P
233 2011-02-08T17:27:06 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
234 2011-02-08T17:27:12 <dreimark> it is but we won't change that for 1.9
235 2011-02-08T17:27:14 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann: exactly :) thus I whisper it in your ears here
236 2011-02-08T17:27:36 <MattMaker> ah, that's reasonable. yes I mean 2.0+
237 2011-02-08T17:27:50 <ThomasWaldmann> if you note something is broken wrt that, just tell
238 2011-02-08T17:27:54 <MattMaker> didn't mean to change the subject, sorry
239 2011-02-08T17:28:00 <ThomasWaldmann> or even send a patch :)
240 2011-02-08T17:28:22 <dreimark> yay
241 2011-02-08T17:28:33 <MattMaker> will do :) I need to do a git pull and try out how it is now
242 2011-02-08T17:28:36 <ThomasWaldmann> some stuff of course ONLY can work with js, like the ckeditor for editing html for example
243 2011-02-08T17:29:12 <ThomasWaldmann> except you want to edit raw html, which would be an option, at least for some people :)
244 2011-02-08T17:29:50 <dreimark> then you can remove the valid html link
245 2011-02-08T17:30:06 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann: on that specific point, I would suggest that the page should show some indication that the ckeditor feature *exists* but cannot operate, if there is a problem there (and if the config says there *should* be a ckeditor)
246 2011-02-08T17:30:52 <MattMaker> (that one was a mystery to me for a while, my ckeditor didn't work in 1.9.x because of an apache2 misconfiguration!
247 2011-02-08T17:30:54 <MattMaker> )
248 2011-02-08T17:35:37 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: can you fix that in moin2?
249 2011-02-08T17:35:38 <MattMaker> for what it's worth, I have learned that most of the sort of features I am most capable / interested in developing, are more appropriate as plugins, not actually part of MoinMoin
250 2011-02-08T17:36:20 <ThomasWaldmann> we don't really have external plugins yet, btw.
251 2011-02-08T17:36:26 <ThomasWaldmann> no plugin system
252 2011-02-08T17:37:06 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann I can spend some looking at moin2 today, yes, but which thing are you asking if I can fix? :)
253 2011-02-08T17:41:02 <MattMaker> say, maybe the IRC description/heading thing on here #moin-dev should have the same links like #moin has ?
254 2011-02-08T17:41:47 *** Marchael
255 2011-02-08T17:42:02 <MattMaker> I was just thinking, I'll go look at the wiki docs for 2.0 and see if there is anything written about plans for plugin systems, and I looked up there remind myself/see where to go
256 2011-02-08T17:43:00 <ThomasWaldmann> we thought about maybe having a soc project for the plugin system,
257 2011-02-08T17:43:04 <MattMaker> side note: when I appeared in here before it was as TripleEntendre, but I have now registered MattMaker
258 2011-02-08T17:43:19 <ThomasWaldmann> but that needs preparation, either from us or student to make goals more clear
259 2011-02-08T17:44:31 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: you suggested a change to ckeditor display (modify_text_html.html template)
260 2011-02-08T17:44:59 <MattMaker> btw, I feel there should be some guided written-about path for casual devs to reference when porting old MoinMoin plugins, because I am sure they will be wanting to do that
261 2011-02-08T17:45:24 <MattMaker> ah, okay. I'll take a look there
262 2011-02-08T17:46:41 <MattMaker> hmm, is it safe to attempt to play with 2.0 on the same server that is currently serving my live 1.9.3 wiki?
263 2011-02-08T17:47:02 <ThomasWaldmann> all stuff is very different now
264 2011-02-08T17:47:23 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: read the quickinstall script and use virtualenv
265 2011-02-08T17:47:41 <MattMaker> ok, cool
266 2011-02-08T17:47:43 <ThomasWaldmann> but i am writing all sorts of docs :)
267 2011-02-08T17:50:21 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10427:15e4dd819e63 2.0-dev/docs/ (admin/configure.rst changes/CHANGES.jinja2-theming): docs: rewrite stuff about external_scripts and stylesheets
268 2011-02-08T17:50:36 <MattMaker> :)
269 2011-02-08T17:52:02 <MattMaker> Q: does moin2 work okay with https://?
270 2011-02-08T17:55:12 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc i newer tried :)
271 2011-02-08T17:55:19 <ThomasWaldmann> never*
272 2011-02-08T17:55:39 <MattMaker> Q: wow, https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=plugin+architecture plugin architecture is a big topic. I presume that moin2 is mostly python, and that python might prefer certain architecture patterns for making things pluggable in a big project
273 2011-02-08T17:56:19 <ThomasWaldmann> yes :)
274 2011-02-08T17:56:38 <ThomasWaldmann> and also something more simple than we had in 1.9
275 2011-02-08T17:57:01 <ThomasWaldmann> that was too complicated and limited at the same time
276 2011-02-08T17:57:16 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/PluginConceptOverhaul
277 2011-02-08T17:58:23 <dreimark> htg bbl
278 2011-02-08T18:01:29 <MattMaker> ah, good stuff there, thanks
279 2011-02-08T18:05:38 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10428:621dd4de0d71 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/config/default.py: add openid to user object attribute defaults
280 2011-02-08T18:08:14 *** Marchael
281 2011-02-08T18:11:57 <MattMaker> I am looking for the moinmo.in wiki page where it gives me the basic tips for using mercurial to get the latest moin code, but I'm not finding it. Ah, doing a search on 'Mercurial' has sort of gotten me there, never mind
282 2011-02-08T18:12:24 <MattMaker> is there a howto page for moin2 similar to http://moinmo.in/HowTo/Run%20Moin%20from%20a%20Mercurial%20work%20directory ?
283 2011-02-08T18:13:14 <ThomasWaldmann> page is called MoinMoin2.0
284 2011-02-08T18:13:28 <ThomasWaldmann> there are some basic infos and the repo url
285 2011-02-08T18:13:49 <ThomasWaldmann> hg clone url moin2
286 2011-02-08T18:14:09 <ThomasWaldmann> (takes a while, we are working on fixing that soon)
287 2011-02-08T18:16:47 <ThomasWaldmann> there is also a docs url and the docs even have stuff about this :D
288 2011-02-08T18:20:04 <MattMaker> d'oh, the docs. thanks, I will RTFM :)
289 2011-02-08T18:20:47 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10429:9d300cc4b8f1 2.0-dev/ (3 files in 3 dirs): re-add cfg.theme_default to get rid of hardcoded value, fix sample wikiconfig
290 2011-02-08T18:21:12 <ThomasWaldmann> nobody expected the docs ;)
291 2011-02-08T18:21:54 * ThomasWaldmann just uploaded the current docs
292 2011-02-08T18:23:54 <ThomasWaldmann> http://static.moinmo.in/m2/html/admin/install.html
293 2011-02-08T18:34:24 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10430:19c3a7612c14 2.0-dev/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): docs: improve ACL middleware docs, remove outdated snippet and snippets README
294 2011-02-08T18:36:31 *** Marchael
295 2011-02-08T18:36:36 *** Marchael
296 2011-02-08T18:40:28 <MattMaker> perfect, thank you!
297 2011-02-08T18:47:41 *** kasun
298 2011-02-08T19:06:56 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10431:a0341530756d 2.0-dev/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
299 2011-02-08T19:06:56 <CIA-65> docs: point out that test.wsgi should be used first, improve moin.wsgi/test.wsgi
300 2011-02-08T19:06:56 <CIA-65> Minor changes to moin-wsgi (daemon name).
301 2011-02-08T19:14:01 *** kursor
302 2011-02-08T19:16:21 *** kursor
303 2011-02-08T19:18:34 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10432:78780718ee8b 2.0-dev/docs/admin/serve.rst: docs: for serving refer to moin.fcgi also
304 2011-02-08T19:30:19 *** kursor
305 2011-02-08T19:31:24 <MattMaker> this could make for a pretty wild set of plugins: http://blog.dexy.it/13 to evaluate code in-place , and http://blog.dexy.it/285 to pull data from around the web into the wiki :)
306 2011-02-08T19:34:24 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the ourboss and bosses issue is not only related to the new concept. We have this always now if one was added on a group page but the user account have been not created
307 2011-02-08T19:34:51 *** greg_f
308 2011-02-08T19:40:18 <dreimark> may be we should never type ourselfs acl lines in meta, that should be only done by a nice ui
309 2011-02-08T19:44:28 *** grzywa
310 2011-02-08T19:50:19 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we didn't have namespace overlap in both directions in 1.9, as groups were *Group, so this is new if we do it with tags without "Group" in the tag name
311 2011-02-08T19:50:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, item name
312 2011-02-08T19:51:47 <ThomasWaldmann> in fact we had no overlap, because you could not create a user named ...Group and you could not use groups not named ...Group
313 2011-02-08T20:00:47 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: yeah, sounds interesting. their filters is somehow like our converters.
314 2011-02-08T20:07:12 <dreimark> yes, we have only the overlap one forgets to add a user while he had given rights
315 2011-02-08T20:08:25 <dreimark> we should have a ui with autocompletion
316 2011-02-08T20:08:37 <dreimark> so you type U-> User:
317 2011-02-08T20:08:51 <dreimark> and so on
318 2011-02-08T20:09:04 <dreimark> less to type, less typos
319 2011-02-08T20:10:04 <dreimark> bbl
320 2011-02-08T20:15:22 *** grzywa
321 2011-02-08T20:15:42 *** grzywacz
322 2011-02-08T20:34:23 *** Marchael
323 2011-02-08T21:19:43 *** Gnarlodious
324 2011-02-08T21:29:10 * ThomasWaldmann looks at search libs
325 2011-02-08T21:35:12 <ThomasWaldmann> pyndexter looks interesting somehow, but stale
326 2011-02-08T22:02:26 <cosmos_thought> ThomasWaldmann:now take a look i took all the docstrings from source and placed them in the .rst http://pastebin.com/h3vVpuAx
327 2011-02-08T22:26:03 <ronny> cosmos_thought: wouldnt it make more sense just to use autolass/automodule?
328 2011-02-08T22:33:22 *** kasun
329 2011-02-08T22:54:24 <cosmos_thought> ronny: shure but everytime i used them directives sphinx wont render the file
330 2011-02-08T22:55:26 <ronny> cosmos_thought: then you probably did something wrong
331 2011-02-08T22:55:41 <ronny> (i use automodule/class/method all the time)
332 2011-02-08T22:58:35 <cosmos_thought> rpmmy: do you might have an example file or a snippet where its show how to use them directives?
333 2011-02-08T22:59:52 <ronny> cosmos_thought: https://bitbucket.org/RonnyPfannschmidt/anyvc/src/69530b160b47/docs/workdir/api.rst
334 2011-02-08T23:04:32 <ronny> cosmos_thought: did you maybe forge the :members: thing?
335 2011-02-08T23:14:54 <cosmos_thought> hmm dont know
336 2011-02-08T23:18:11 <cosmos_thought> nah i did it like in the example except the courrentmodule directive there sphinx allways sad something (if im not bullshiting) like "unknown directive" or something like that
337 2011-02-08T23:36:18 *** grzywacz
338 2011-02-08T23:46:40 <ThomasWaldmann> someone using fastcgi with moin2?
339 2011-02-08T23:46:50 <ThomasWaldmann> need a flup adaptor script tester
340 2011-02-08T23:50:05 <dreimark> i can check this is the next days. i have a vhost for each deployment of moin1 and can add more for moin2
341 2011-02-08T23:51:36 <dreimark> but likly not tom.
342 2011-02-08T23:52:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll commit it
343 2011-02-08T23:53:22 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10433:e673c6676a52 2.0-dev/docs/examples/deployment/moin.fcgi: updated moin.fcgi script for flup-based deployments, untested
344 2011-02-08T23:54:41 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: do you have lighty?
345 2011-02-08T23:55:07 <dreimark> no, apache2
346 2011-02-08T23:56:40 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe one should try those fixers
347 2011-02-08T23:57:05 <ThomasWaldmann> just whether they don't crash somehow and do something
348 2011-02-08T23:58:50 <dreimark> TheSheep: can you have a look on that ^^
349 2011-02-08T23:58:57 <dreimark> for lighty?
350 2011-02-08T23:59:43 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it's your script anyway, modded for moin2, TheSheep
