1 2012-07-21T00:12:17 *** RogerHaase
2 2012-07-21T00:25:19 *** dcramer_
3 2012-07-21T01:52:03 *** DasIch
4 2012-07-21T04:29:03 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: when can we have a EP session?
5 2012-07-21T04:55:12 *** dcramer_
6 2012-07-21T05:31:10 *** eSyr
7 2012-07-21T05:31:17 *** eSyr
8 2012-07-21T09:28:48 *** spy_
9 2012-07-21T09:44:11 *** betelgeuse_
10 2012-07-21T10:11:52 *** jaiditya
11 2012-07-21T10:13:45 <jaiditya> waldi: how about putting docs to links rather than in Admin or User as both of them need docs ?
12 2012-07-21T11:23:24 <xiaq> an experimental implementation for the experimental itemtype proposal: http://codereview.appspot.com/6432058/
13 2012-07-21T11:23:27 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
14 2012-07-21T11:23:29 <xiaq> dreimark: ^^
15 2012-07-21T11:23:32 <xiaq> spy: ^^
16 2012-07-21T12:34:14 *** jaiditya
17 2012-07-21T12:40:23 *** jaiditya
18 2012-07-21T14:04:32 *** jaiditya
19 2012-07-21T14:05:29 *** jaiditya
20 2012-07-21T14:47:14 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: waldi: I have to visit doctor for check up so would like to start early
21 2012-07-21T14:48:15 <dreimark> re
22 2012-07-21T14:48:36 * dreimark 12 min until meeting
23 2012-07-21T14:49:56 <dreimark> jaiditya: ok, prepare to start in 11 min
24 2012-07-21T14:50:27 <jaiditya> I am prepared
25 2012-07-21T14:51:04 <dreimark> spy: xiaq MaikuMori waldi ThomasWaldmann eSyr make a noise if you are already in
26 2012-07-21T14:51:58 <dreimark> breton: ^
27 2012-07-21T14:51:58 <waldi> *noise*
28 2012-07-21T15:00:47 * dreimark welcome to our gsoc meeting
29 2012-07-21T15:00:57 <dreimark> jaiditya: waldi please start
30 2012-07-21T15:01:01 <jaiditya> LAST: Resolved foobar bugs and worked locally on modernized color palette
31 2012-07-21T15:01:02 <jaiditya> BLOCKERS: none
32 2012-07-21T15:01:02 <jaiditya> NEXT: Bugs of foobar and modernized theme styling
33 2012-07-21T15:01:47 <dreimark> jaiditya: how much of modernized changes is already pushed to our repo
34 2012-07-21T15:02:00 <dreimark> is css already based on stylus?
35 2012-07-21T15:02:37 <jaiditya> no I havn't pushed it to repo and uploaded the chenges on cr
36 2012-07-21T15:03:26 <dreimark> i guess this is somewhere on diary pages?
37 2012-07-21T15:03:33 <jaiditya> yeah
38 2012-07-21T15:03:43 <dreimark> waldi: have you looked on those cr ?
39 2012-07-21T15:04:27 <jaiditya> Innitially I generated the stylus file using common.css
40 2012-07-21T15:04:29 <waldi> not for modernized
41 2012-07-21T15:04:54 <dreimark> I think we should get those changesets this week into the repo
42 2012-07-21T15:05:27 <dreimark> because verfication / fixing / reporting is easier if one can play with them
43 2012-07-21T15:05:44 <dreimark> waldi: can you check them soon?
44 2012-07-21T15:06:00 <waldi> yep
45 2012-07-21T15:06:52 <jaiditya> dreimark: it would be a bit difficult to compare the css code with current css code
46 2012-07-21T15:07:23 <jaiditya> as current css code is sorted and grouped along with comments
47 2012-07-21T15:07:33 <dreimark> I know, but the basics should be similiar, thats why I think you get more reports after they are commited
48 2012-07-21T15:08:41 <dreimark> waldi: do you agree with that procedure, checking for basics, then commit, further bug reports then fixing
49 2012-07-21T15:08:56 <dreimark> and improving and so on
50 2012-07-21T15:09:41 <xiaq> uh, has the meeting begun?
51 2012-07-21T15:09:53 <jaiditya> yes
52 2012-07-21T15:10:16 <waldi> jaiditya: doesn't stylus also support css as input?
53 2012-07-21T15:10:40 <jaiditya> it does
54 2012-07-21T15:10:56 <waldi> then you don't have problems producing a base line
55 2012-07-21T15:11:14 <jaiditya> no
56 2012-07-21T15:11:53 <jaiditya> I used the present common.css as the base for stylus file
57 2012-07-21T15:12:13 <waldi> okay
58 2012-07-21T15:13:05 <waldi> dreimark: sure
59 2012-07-21T15:13:06 <jaiditya> you can generate a stylus file from a css file and thats how I started it
60 2012-07-21T15:14:42 <jaiditya> I have a doubt regaarding docs
61 2012-07-21T15:14:46 <jaiditya> how about putting docs to links rather than in Admin or User as both of them need docs ?
62 2012-07-21T15:15:44 <dreimark> we should have an entry point for docs
63 2012-07-21T15:16:01 <jaiditya> yeah
64 2012-07-21T15:17:22 <dreimark> +docs
65 2012-07-21T15:18:27 <dreimark> all other stuff from admin could be moved around to other places too
66 2012-07-21T15:18:55 <dreimark> there are only a few that might be admin stuff
67 2012-07-21T15:20:04 <dreimark> jaiditya: can you add on the EP a section about that +admin view and where parts should go to
68 2012-07-21T15:20:22 <jaiditya> yeah sure
69 2012-07-21T15:20:34 <dreimark> e.g. interwikimap is needed while editing
70 2012-07-21T15:20:52 * eSyr here
71 2012-07-21T15:21:06 <dreimark> available highlighters while creating a highlighting item
72 2012-07-21T15:21:10 <dreimark> and so on
73 2012-07-21T15:22:07 <dreimark> a last question by me, have you the ideas from thesheep incorporated yet?
74 2012-07-21T15:22:22 <dreimark> jaiditya: ^
75 2012-07-21T15:22:43 <jaiditya> yeah
76 2012-07-21T15:23:02 <dreimark> ok, further questions to jaiditya waldi ?
77 2012-07-21T15:23:15 <jaiditya> I'd like to talk to him once more but didn't find him here
78 2012-07-21T15:23:24 <dreimark> look at #moin
79 2012-07-21T15:23:44 <jaiditya> ok, thanks
80 2012-07-21T15:24:06 <breton> noise
81 2012-07-21T15:24:29 <dreimark> xiaq: please prepare
82 2012-07-21T15:25:14 * ThomasWaldmann will be (really) here in 10mins, but not for long, sorry
83 2012-07-21T15:25:35 * xiaq prepares...
84 2012-07-21T15:26:25 <dreimark> ok ThomasWaldmann, breton will be after xiaq - so breton please prepare too
85 2012-07-21T15:26:30 <dreimark> xiaq: your stage
86 2012-07-21T15:27:22 <xiaq> LAST: discuss render-method stuff with spy, propose itemtype and worked out an early implementation (code sent to cr)
87 2012-07-21T15:28:28 <xiaq> BLOCKER: i should be working on index stuff according to plan. render-method stuff might be considered a blocker...
88 2012-07-21T15:29:11 <xiaq> NEXT: polish my itemtype implementation, continue dicussion, and (hopefully) get down to index stuff
89 2012-07-21T15:30:24 <dreimark> index stuff is a different kind of field than the render-method, where is there the overlap? or do you mean it blocks you because it takes longer to get a sane implemntation?
90 2012-07-21T15:30:53 * dreimark looks at cr after the meeting
91 2012-07-21T15:31:01 <xiaq> i planned to get +ticket code published but that part would be very different with introduction of itemtype. should i publish my current (sans itemtype) implementation first?
92 2012-07-21T15:31:37 <xiaq> dreimark: yeah it's not a technical blocker, but a blocker in means of personal focus...
93 2012-07-21T15:31:56 <dreimark> got it
94 2012-07-21T15:34:05 <dreimark> I look at the cr, not sure now. In principle I agree that the frontend should be different organized dependent on the function
95 2012-07-21T15:34:44 <xiaq> dreimark: yeah
96 2012-07-21T15:35:30 <dreimark> the question is somehow how strict it must be, at least it should not become a different application
97 2012-07-21T15:37:57 <dreimark> xiaq: can you add more info on the diary page
98 2012-07-21T15:38:06 <dreimark> now there is still the svg
99 2012-07-21T15:38:42 <xiaq> dreimark: sure. yet while working on itemtype implementation an idea came to me that moin2 need not restrict itself to the traditional knowledge base software but rather a more general "content collaboration" software
100 2012-07-21T15:39:21 <xiaq> dreimark: the ideas are mostly dumped to the EP. will add some record on what i did :)
101 2012-07-21T15:40:04 <dreimark> good, also there is a lag in documenting on diary pages between 11th and 17th
102 2012-07-21T15:40:29 <dreimark> just add a note on the page when you are travelling
103 2012-07-21T15:40:51 <xiaq> dreimark: hm, on each diary or the homepage?
104 2012-07-21T15:41:01 <dreimark> the homepagee
105 2012-07-21T15:41:11 <dreimark> the diary only for work
106 2012-07-21T15:41:15 <dreimark> (real)
107 2012-07-21T15:41:17 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: not sure if you considered it already, but it is possible that the same item content is used in different places, maybe differently
108 2012-07-21T15:41:19 <xiaq> dreimark: ok
109 2012-07-21T15:41:41 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. on that item's default view, transcluded into another item
110 2012-07-21T15:43:24 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: mm, then?
111 2012-07-21T15:45:31 <dreimark> currently the render method is fixed to the item type, so e.g. a drawing becomes represented by its png file
112 2012-07-21T15:46:13 <dreimark> for having a default
113 2012-07-21T15:47:35 <xiaq> dreimark: what's the problem then?
114 2012-07-21T15:48:11 <dreimark> on a different place you can have it as download link
115 2012-07-21T15:48:32 <ThomasWaldmann> easiest is to think of some wiki markup
116 2012-07-21T15:48:46 <ThomasWaldmann> you can present rendered, highlighted, raw
117 2012-07-21T15:49:14 <ThomasWaldmann> and what is wanted possibly depends on the place where it is shown
118 2012-07-21T15:49:31 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah. on render-method EP i put the idea that this EP actually presented 2 problems...
119 2012-07-21T15:50:46 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i think the problem of having different render method for content (either by default or for once) is orthogonal to the problem of having tickets, blog posts differentiated
120 2012-07-21T15:51:45 <ThomasWaldmann> the question is rather how to solve, not whether it is slighlty different :)
121 2012-07-21T15:51:51 * xiaq runs on low battery
122 2012-07-21T15:52:42 * ThomasWaldmann needs to go soon anyway, breton now?
123 2012-07-21T15:52:57 <dreimark> ok, xiaq thanks
124 2012-07-21T15:53:18 <dreimark> breton your stage
125 2012-07-21T15:55:14 *** breton
126 2012-07-21T15:55:21 <dreimark> ouch
127 2012-07-21T15:55:50 *** breton
128 2012-07-21T15:56:01 <dreimark> wb breton
129 2012-07-21T15:56:08 <dreimark> your stage
130 2012-07-21T15:58:59 <breton> LAST: userheads (posted code for review). During this week not much was done because of incident with the nose.
131 2012-07-21T15:59:02 <breton> BLOCKERS: None
132 2012-07-21T15:59:05 <breton> NEXT: finish userheads (today or tomorrow), finally have a EP session with Thomas to find non-clean places and clean them up; probably merging
133 2012-07-21T15:59:58 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^
134 2012-07-21T16:01:24 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: i suggest you cleanup etherpad on your own first, then we have a common meeting there
135 2012-07-21T16:01:57 <ThomasWaldmann> also, did you work on tests yet?
136 2012-07-21T16:02:22 <ThomasWaldmann> (i need to leave asap, so important questions first)
137 2012-07-21T16:02:23 <breton> I was working on it today.
138 2012-07-21T16:02:52 <breton> and will be working partially tomorrow.
139 2012-07-21T16:03:36 <breton> thou there will not be 100% test coverage yet; or userheads should be moved to one day forward.
140 2012-07-21T16:04:00 <ThomasWaldmann> also please make sure you respond/react to all feedback on EP (didn't check, just noting)
141 2012-07-21T16:04:06 <dreimark> ok, some of the tests for those changes will be in the next cr somewhere in the evening
142 2012-07-21T16:04:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, CR i meant
143 2012-07-21T16:05:11 <ThomasWaldmann> and then just grab me here, UTC afternoon is a good time, 4:30 am is rather unlikely that i am present
144 2012-07-21T16:05:30 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any question to me?
145 2012-07-21T16:05:38 <breton> no.
146 2012-07-21T16:06:19 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I need to go and will be away for next hours, will be back here in the night...
147 2012-07-21T16:06:30 <dreimark> ok thanks ThomasWaldmann and breton
148 2012-07-21T16:06:49 <dreimark> who wants to be next spy or MaikuMori ?
149 2012-07-21T16:06:53 <breton> same for me.
150 2012-07-21T16:07:40 <dreimark> eSyr: have you heard from MaikuMori ?
151 2012-07-21T16:08:20 *** dcramer_
152 2012-07-21T16:09:38 <eSyr> he said that he'll do cr request but i haven't seen it from him.
153 2012-07-21T16:11:49 <dreimark> eSyr: he was last week also away
154 2012-07-21T16:12:09 <dreimark> when was the last regular meeting he joined us?
155 2012-07-21T16:13:14 <eSyr> mmm.
156 2012-07-21T16:14:52 <dreimark> eSyr: please find out what he is doing, why he had not joined in july one of the meetings
157 2012-07-21T16:15:20 <eSyr> ok.
158 2012-07-21T16:16:09 <dreimark> spy: ping ?
159 2012-07-21T16:16:22 <dreimark> one of my students is also missing
160 2012-07-21T16:17:07 * dreimark meeting is over - regular talks
161 2012-07-21T16:17:40 *** spy_
162 2012-07-21T16:17:57 <dreimark> ah - may be we can continue?
163 2012-07-21T16:18:01 <dreimark> spy: your stage
164 2012-07-21T16:18:59 <dreimark> spy_: ^
165 2012-07-21T16:25:14 <spy_> LAST: metadata editor refactoring BLOCKERS: too many render-method proposals, some intersections with xiaq's meta editor implementation NEXT: need to decide what to work on, primarily a lot of discussions with xiaq
166 2012-07-21T16:27:07 * spy_ reading backlog
167 2012-07-21T16:29:13 <dreimark> spy_: meta editor implementation has no conflicts with render methods
168 2012-07-21T16:29:33 <dreimark> so what is the blocker there?
169 2012-07-21T16:33:23 <spy_> dreimark: there are some places where I chose what metaform to use according to view_method value.
170 2012-07-21T16:35:35 <dreimark> not sure where the blocker there is. in principle that can be visualized in a table
171 2012-07-21T16:35:50 <dreimark> which kind of data you have which widget is needed
172 2012-07-21T16:36:38 <dreimark> which needs improvement which needs to be developed
173 2012-07-21T16:39:34 <spy_> ok, now I should polish my current implementation and commit it
174 2012-07-21T16:43:56 <dreimark> yes
175 2012-07-21T16:45:10 <dreimark> with render method please keep in mind that all items need to have not only a fixed render methods. it should be variable
176 2012-07-21T16:45:41 <dreimark> and somehow where it is shown it may need a different render method than somewhere else
177 2012-07-21T16:46:19 <dreimark> but it is the same item
178 2012-07-21T16:48:39 <spy_> url call like +view/item replaces the default view specified in view_method
179 2012-07-21T16:53:04 <spy_> but we also have transcluded items should I care about item's view when it is transcluded?
180 2012-07-21T16:54:59 <dreimark> yes, it can be transcluded as highlighted, raw etc
181 2012-07-21T16:55:41 <dreimark> any further questions to me or spy_ ?
182 2012-07-21T16:56:08 * dreimark has to go soon
183 2012-07-21T16:58:49 <dreimark> ok thanks spy
184 2012-07-21T16:59:58 <spy_> dreimark: is ciontenttype metakey required to be editable? what is the case when it is useful?
185 2012-07-21T17:01:01 <spy_> the same about "itemtransclusions" and "parentid"
186 2012-07-21T17:08:17 *** jaiditya
187 2012-07-21T17:10:13 *** dcramer_
188 2012-07-21T17:23:07 *** yufra_
189 2012-07-21T17:24:17 *** yufra_
190 2012-07-21T18:06:44 *** dcramer_
191 2012-07-21T18:20:38 *** dcramer_
192 2012-07-21T18:31:53 *** RogerHaase
193 2012-07-21T19:53:44 *** spy
194 2012-07-21T19:54:50 *** spy
195 2012-07-21T20:42:56 *** jaiditya
196 2012-07-21T20:46:57 *** dcramer_
197 2012-07-21T21:37:26 *** jaiditya
198 2012-07-21T21:40:42 *** dcramer_
199 2012-07-21T23:16:05 <dreimark> re
200 2012-07-21T23:16:28 <dreimark> spy_: "itemtransclusions" and "parentid" is not editable
201 2012-07-21T23:16:52 <dreimark> itemtransclusions is generated from used other items on your item
202 2012-07-21T23:17:09 <dreimark> parentid is the id of the parent item
203 2012-07-21T23:17:36 <dreimark> in the current model contenttype
204 2012-07-21T23:17:39 <dreimark> can be editable
205 2012-07-21T23:18:21 <dreimark> because you can e.g. exchange it for text/* items to text/plain
206 2012-07-21T23:18:49 <dreimark> or also generate items where we don't have a method yet for
207 2012-07-21T23:19:10 <spy_> itemtransclusions, externallinks, itemlinks, parentid should be added to the meta_filter function too, right?
208 2012-07-21T23:19:48 <dreimark> yes
209 2012-07-21T23:34:29 <ThomasWaldmann> parentid is the parent revision (== previous revision)
210 2012-07-21T23:35:37 <ThomasWaldmann> and under normal circumstances, that should not be edited
211 2012-07-21T23:52:06 * dreimark added some comments to http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-render-method
212 2012-07-21T23:54:20 <spy_> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: what to do when similar changes made by another student, eg. xiaq's forms refactoring. Did you see his macros based forms? http://codereview.appspot.com/6432058/diff/1/MoinMoin/templates/modify.html Is it better to define the macro like meta_editor() then just include a meta template content?
