MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2005-12-13

2005-12-13T00:05:10  <xorAxAx> [PERIODIC ANNOUNCEMENT] Logs can be found on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev
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2005-12-13T07:44:57  <lydon> moin
2005-12-13T08:16:45  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2005-12-13T14:16:49  <ThomasWaldmann> so what exactly goes wrong?
2005-12-13T14:17:27  <xorAxAx> hmm, wait. that doesnt make any sense
2005-12-13T14:17:43  <xorAxAx> the cache file has already an cfg_mtime check
2005-12-13T14:17:50  <xorAxAx> --> it was created using a new formatter
2005-12-13T14:18:23  <xorAxAx> hmm, this happens if you exchange the formatter while a baseline moinmoin is loaded
2005-12-13T14:18:44  <xorAxAx> i.e. spawn twisted etc., update the package, first request
2005-12-13T14:18:51  <xorAxAx> but that sounds really weird :)
2005-12-13T14:19:52  <ThomasWaldmann> baseline?
2005-12-13T14:20:10  <xorAxAx> yeah, not fully loaded into memory
2005-12-13T14:20:17  <xorAxAx> but the probability is too low
2005-12-13T14:20:29  <xorAxAx> i spotted another reason: you use a global in order to store the mtime
2005-12-13T14:20:46  <xorAxAx> let me check the code paths, it could be a race condition
2005-12-13T14:22:55  <xorAxAx> hmm, no, that looks ok
2005-12-13T14:22:59  <xorAxAx> i have no idea
2005-12-13T14:23:23  <xorAxAx> but the problem itself is clear - the attrib is missing though the cache file already knows about it
2005-12-13T14:23:32  <xorAxAx> this can happen if you downgrade moin
2005-12-13T14:24:48  <ThomasWaldmann> so running cachecleaner should help
2005-12-13T14:25:11  <xorAxAx> in any case, yes
2005-12-13T14:28:42  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, closed that one
2005-12-13T16:17:58  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i got your page packaging leech script working
2005-12-13T16:18:29  <ThomasWaldmann> is there a SystemPageSetup page somewhere on your local wiki?
2005-12-13T16:19:17  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2005-12-13T16:19:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: containing a short description of how to use it
2005-12-13T16:19:36  <ThomasWaldmann> put it on master please
2005-12-13T16:19:40  <xorAxAx> and an AttachmentList macro
2005-12-13T16:19:44  <xorAxAx> ok, will do this evening
2005-12-13T16:20:07  <ThomasWaldmann> thanks
2005-12-13T16:20:10  <xorAxAx> hmm, dont forget to disable the leech part - you dont need it if you build directly from moinmaster :)
2005-12-13T16:22:45  <ThomasWaldmann> lo didnt complain
2005-12-13T16:23:22  <ThomasWaldmann> but i wondered about the threading :)
2005-12-13T16:23:49  <ThomasWaldmann> no patience? :)
2005-12-13T16:25:42  <xorAxAx> yeah. but a workaround as well
2005-12-13T16:25:51  <xorAxAx> interestingly, xmlrpc requests have a high latency
2005-12-13T16:26:04  <xorAxAx> so i needed 100!! threads to get 400 kbits
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2005-12-13T18:08:39  * ThomasWaldmann thinks about the FrontPage stuff
2005-12-13T18:08:57  <ThomasWaldmann> this is a bit ugly currently, esp. when looking at that base.zip package
2005-12-13T18:10:06  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yeah
2005-12-13T18:10:19  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: IMHO the frontpages should be declared on the per-language system page group
2005-12-13T18:10:50  <ThomasWaldmann> yes. iirc the main reason why it wasnt like this from the beginning is that we didnt have underlay at that time.
2005-12-13T18:11:20  <ThomasWaldmann> so I wanted to avoid overwriting a customized FrontPage by a default one.
2005-12-13T18:12:17  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, if you tell some functions to exclude system pages, they wont process FrontPage then
2005-12-13T18:12:33  <ThomasWaldmann> which might be wrong in that case
2005-12-13T18:12:50  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. TitleIndex
2005-12-13T18:14:44  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: how about a english.zip, some "stuff.zip" and a base.zip just installing english and stuff
2005-12-13T18:14:56  <ThomasWaldmann> would be easier to overview
2005-12-13T18:15:22  <ThomasWaldmann> and stuff should be rather tiny
2005-12-13T18:16:32  <xorAxAx> yeah, ok
2005-12-13T18:29:07  <ThomasWaldmann> much better :)
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2005-12-13T21:08:50  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: look at MoinMaster:SystemPagesSetup
2005-12-13T21:11:42  <ThomasWaldmann> so we deliver moin with only that single page (plus maybe BadContent?) and user installs manually what he wants?
2005-12-13T21:12:22  <ThomasWaldmann> page_front_page = u"SystemPagesSetup" as new default?
2005-12-13T21:12:46  <xorAxAx> if you dont install english help pages, he cannot read how to install the packages
2005-12-13T21:13:01  <xorAxAx> because that is not trivial in a normal moinmoin ...
2005-12-13T21:13:53  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so we dont need an english packages at all
2005-12-13T21:14:05  <ThomasWaldmann> as we deliver it unpacked
2005-12-13T21:14:45  <xorAxAx> and stuff needs to be installed as well
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2005-12-13T23:01:32  <starshine> ThomasWaldmann: you'd need to at least provide HelpOnInstalling, or a script that leads them through the features of it.
2005-12-13T23:01:53  <starshine> mw does this as a webform driven action
2005-12-13T23:01:56  <starshine> so does cups
2005-12-13T23:03:45  <xorAxAx> hmm, cups is a bad example :)
2005-12-13T23:03:54  <ThomasWaldmann> as you should have english in any case, we will just deliver english and some special pages already unpacked
2005-12-13T23:11:42  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i thought about rewording your paragraph on SPS. but it didnt contain enough entropy to be left on the page ;-)
2005-12-13T23:13:33  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
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