MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2006-09-09

2006-09-09T11:47:41  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-09-09T16:37:43  <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: pydotorg uses yaml
2006-09-09T16:37:50  <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: whats in their toolchain?
2006-09-09T16:38:10  <birkenfeld> xorAxAx: no idea, let me look
2006-09-09T16:38:55  <birkenfeld> it uses syck
2006-09-09T16:39:01  <birkenfeld> which is a lib written in C
2006-09-09T16:40:28  <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: where do you need yaml?
2006-09-09T16:40:52  <birkenfeld> I don't need yaml...
2006-09-09T16:41:29  <xorAxAx> ok :)
2006-09-09T16:41:46  <xorAxAx> anyway, leaving towards munich airport now to get out of this foreign country :)
2006-09-09T16:42:23  <birkenfeld> good journey
2006-09-09T16:42:36  <xorAxAx> thanks
2006-09-09T16:43:10  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: werent you supposed to leave yesterday?
2006-09-09T16:43:23  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: have a nice trip
2006-09-09T16:43:40  <birkenfeld> xorAxAx: strange, the german tv also reports about the pope
2006-09-09T16:51:49  <fpletz> moin
2006-09-09T16:52:17  <fpletz> xorAxAx: you are in munich?! I was in munich until yesterday :/
2006-09-09T16:53:16  <fpletz> and please don't tell me you also were at the blind guardian concert..
2006-09-09T16:54:25  <TheSheep> fpletz: you probably sit in the same internet cafe
2006-09-09T16:54:38  <TheSheep> ;)
2006-09-09T16:57:13  <fpletz> TheSheep: hehe, internet cafes are much too expensive.. got a notebook with wlan ;)
2006-09-09T19:27:00  <ThomasWaldmann> any last words for 1.5.5rc1?
2006-09-09T19:42:42  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I would like to make a quick prayer :)
2006-09-09T19:43:04  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, you can turn your head against bavaria
2006-09-09T19:45:10  <TheSheep> done
2006-09-09T19:45:23  <TheSheep> live long and prosper
2006-09-09T19:47:51  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i make a rc1 today and be away tomorrow while other people test it <g>
2006-09-09T20:01:32  <fpletz> umm.. am I seeing correctly? moin was removed from debian testing/etch due to rc bugs?!
2006-09-09T20:02:10  <fpletz> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/moin.html
2006-09-09T20:03:18  <fpletz> looks like the maintainer is MIA as the rc bug was opened 87 days ago..
2006-09-09T20:03:51  <TheSheep> Hi, your package has been detected as generating a python
2006-09-09T20:03:53  <TheSheep> module/extension that may need an upgrade to the new Python Policy[1].
2006-09-09T20:03:55  <TheSheep> :)
2006-09-09T20:04:43  <TheSheep> they are just moving to python 2.4
2006-09-09T20:04:49  <fpletz> I should offer my help as co-maintainer ;)
2006-09-09T20:05:16  <fpletz> yes, and there's a new framework for installing python packages
2006-09-09T20:05:28  <fpletz> but this was introduced in june..
2006-09-09T20:05:55  <ThomasWaldmann> i am not sure if i would be sorry if they NOT put 1.5.3 into next debian release
2006-09-09T20:06:31  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: what's the problem?
2006-09-09T20:06:33  <TheSheep> I think the debian configs of moinmoin were the weirdest :)
2006-09-09T20:06:41  <fpletz> mmh
2006-09-09T20:07:05  <fpletz> I'll put that on my TODO list
2006-09-09T20:07:09  <TheSheep> defaulting to farmconfig and having the files in strange places
2006-09-09T20:07:47  <TheSheep> 90% of work while helping debianers was localizing the important files
2006-09-09T20:10:10  <ThomasWaldmann> well, /etc/moin is not too bad and even the farmconfig stuff is no problem when done right
2006-09-09T20:10:50  <ThomasWaldmann> but it sucks if they are that far behind so we have to support broken stuff that has been fixed since long
2006-09-09T20:52:26  <xorAxAx> re
2006-09-09T20:52:34  <xorAxAx> fpletz: munich on friday and saturday, yep
2006-09-09T20:52:45  <xorAxAx> fpletz: high rope camp aschheim, not a loosy concert ;-)
2006-09-09T20:53:14  <xorAxAx> fpletz: did you see the messages that i left for you in the backlog?
2006-09-09T21:31:01  <fpletz> xorAxAx: yes, I will take care of all those issues
2006-09-09T21:32:37  <fpletz> xorAxAx: well, we could've enjoyed some bavarian weissbier in a biergarten ;)
2006-09-09T21:34:32  <xorAxAx> fpletz: yes
2006-09-09T21:34:49  <xorAxAx> fpletz: if you had looked into IRC more often, you would have seen me talking about it :)
2006-09-09T21:34:59  <fpletz> oh..
2006-09-09T21:35:55  <xorAxAx> but in 12 months i might be in munich again :)
2006-09-09T21:36:17  <fpletz> nice, I'm studying there ;)
2006-09-09T21:36:42  <fpletz> I might also take another trip to hannover
2006-09-09T21:37:06  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: what is this?
2006-09-09T21:37:06  <xorAxAx> +    * Improved Python 2.5 compatibility. Note: if you run a bigger wiki farm
2006-09-09T21:37:06  <xorAxAx> +      using a persistent server, you might want to look at Python 2.5 because
2006-09-09T21:37:07  <xorAxAx> +      of its improved memory managment.
2006-09-09T21:37:26  <xorAxAx> i mean, how does it work? :)
2006-09-09T21:37:26  <ThomasWaldmann> this is a part of changes
2006-09-09T21:38:43  <ThomasWaldmann> it looks like the wiki farm memory usage is lower than with 2.4.
2006-09-09T21:38:56  <xorAxAx> ah, right
2006-09-09T21:39:06  <xorAxAx> but its not only valid for farms
2006-09-09T21:39:18  * xorAxAx rewords the sentence
2006-09-09T21:39:23  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: you mean the version in stable, right?
2006-09-09T21:40:00  <ThomasWaldmann> no, but maybe not interesting for a single, low traffic wiki
2006-09-09T21:40:49  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: oh, i had a single low traffic MMDE with 100 MB
2006-09-09T21:40:53  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's not traffic that counts
2006-09-09T21:40:56  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: running on 2.4
2006-09-09T21:41:08  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: rememebr my 300-groups wiki? :)
2006-09-09T21:41:11  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: exactly
2006-09-09T21:41:44  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: if its group dependant, then memory usage can be improved by slottifying wikidicts.py's objects
2006-09-09T21:42:05  <TheSheep> slottifying?
2006-09-09T21:42:18  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yes, setting correct __slots__ for the objects
2006-09-09T21:42:23  <xorAxAx> its described in the python docs
2006-09-09T21:42:41  <TheSheep> or in one of the 300 PEPs :P
2006-09-09T21:43:06  <xorAxAx> nah
2006-09-09T21:43:20  <xorAxAx> just get the .chm file and search for __slots__ in the index if you are curious :)
2006-09-09T21:44:00  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: sre they correctly slottifyied in 1.5.4 ?
2006-09-09T21:45:13  <xorAxAx> no
2006-09-09T21:46:23  <TheSheep> :(
2006-09-09T21:47:12  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: its a task of 5 minutes that you could do as well :)
2006-09-09T21:47:33  <TheSheep> I'd need python 2.5 first
2006-09-09T21:47:50  <ThomasWaldmann> they want to release soon, btw
2006-09-09T21:48:12  <TheSheep> hope that's before 2006--10-01
2006-09-09T21:48:43  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: thats not necessary
2006-09-09T21:48:52  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: slots works for all pythons after 2.1
2006-09-09T21:48:57  <TheSheep> oh?
2006-09-09T21:49:00  <xorAxAx> zes
2006-09-09T21:49:01  <xorAxAx> yes
2006-09-09T21:49:11  <xorAxAx> (after and including)
2006-09-09T21:51:40  <birkenfeld> rc2 will be sept. 12, final sept. 19
2006-09-09T21:51:53  <birkenfeld> IIRC
2006-09-09T22:36:34  <xorAxAx> argh, docutils changed some important API again
2006-09-09T22:36:54  <xorAxAx> i need to get a fix for that into 1.5.5
2006-09-09T22:37:01  <TheSheep> yay for the improvement it surely brought!
2006-09-09T22:38:36  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: well, then dont wait too long :)
2006-09-09T22:39:42  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: when do you want to release it?
2006-09-09T22:39:59  <ThomasWaldmann> not tomorrow
2006-09-09T22:40:10  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: usually they just add/remove the s at the end of the attribute names :)
2006-09-09T22:40:13  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe next weekend
2006-09-09T22:40:48  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: thats blind test-driven dev - if you fix the test, all runs again
2006-09-09T23:34:57  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: will 1.5.5 include the comment length limit?
2006-09-09T23:35:34  <ThomasWaldmann> <=200 or nothing
2006-09-09T23:37:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: did you backport your fcgi changes?
2006-09-09T23:37:45  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you broke fcgi for standalone apps possibly because of your double accept
2006-09-09T23:37:54  <xorAxAx> that has to be checked before release
2006-09-09T23:38:09  <xorAxAx> (there are 2 accept or listen calls in the code)
2006-09-09T23:39:21  <xorAxAx> hmm, i cannot find the limit to 200 changeset
2006-09-09T23:39:25  * xorAxAx tries hg annotate
2006-09-09T23:41:21  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you remember where you limit the length?
2006-09-09T23:42:30  <TheSheep> a personal question, how much of your time do you devote to moin? seems like lots!
2006-09-09T23:43:10  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: no idea, i dont account that :)
2006-09-09T23:51:05  <xorAxAx> argh, comment cleaning is done at a few places
2006-09-09T23:51:09  <xorAxAx> using different chunks of code
2006-09-09T23:52:49  <xorAxAx> but that seems to be years old code
2006-09-09T23:53:01  <xorAxAx> legacy issue