MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-18

2007-04-18T12:22:38  <xorAxAx> ok, loggin is working again
2007-04-18T12:22:43  <flowhase> prev/next-buttons would be cool ;>
2007-04-18T12:23:08  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: no detailed infos yet, i guess we'll get some info later
2007-04-18T12:23:18  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-04-18T12:23:41  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you see if you can get the log importer updated from the repo?
2007-04-18T12:33:49  <ThomasWaldmann> congrats go to johill for changeset #2000, you have won a free moin 1000 user web license :D
2007-04-18T12:40:36  <flowhase> *g*
2007-04-18T12:41:28  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: ok, code is updated. we'll see if it works
2007-04-18T12:46:17  <johill> heh
2007-04-18T12:47:25  <johill> I seem to attract things like that, I also had debian bug 333333 :P
2007-04-18T12:47:44  <johill> (of course, the mathmatician in me disagrees with that statement)
2007-04-18T12:47:57  <johill> any new plans for moin 1.6 release or such?
2007-04-18T12:53:32  <johill> (versus a new unstable branch)
2007-04-18T12:55:12  <xorAxAx> johill: has been planned for more than half a year :)
2007-04-18T12:55:38  <johill> I guess
2007-04-18T12:55:46  <johill> but I'd like to put my auth refactoring somewhere so people test it
2007-04-18T12:56:02  <johill> and ThomasWaldmann didn't want it in 1.6 since it might break too much :)
2007-04-18T12:58:13  <xorAxAx> well, publish your branch somewhere
2007-04-18T13:01:21  <johill> I usually just publish patches since I can change those..
2007-04-18T13:01:32  <johill> (and I can't wrap my head around hg mq)
2007-04-18T13:01:52  <xorAxAx> hehe, maybe you want to try harder wrapping it :)
2007-04-18T13:03:48  <johill> the thing is that it's a bit weird how pulling new upstream updates works
2007-04-18T13:03:52  <johill> when you have patches
2007-04-18T13:04:47  <ThomasWaldmann> we could have some moin/1.6-unstable branch (or just move everything with current activity to 1.7)
2007-04-18T13:06:02  <johill> I suppose it depends on how quickly you want to do a release
2007-04-18T13:06:53  <ThomasWaldmann> well, long overdue...
2007-04-18T13:06:56  <xorAxAx> it doesnt make sense to have 3 diverging unstable branches :)
2007-04-18T13:07:05  <johill> what other branches are there?
2007-04-18T13:07:09  <xorAxAx> i.e. if there is an unstable branch, 1.6 should stabilise
2007-04-18T13:07:21  <johill> yeah but then you could just as well call the unstable 1.6
2007-04-18T13:07:23  <johill> eh 1.7
2007-04-18T13:07:27  <xorAxAx> johill: i.e. 4 soc branches :)
2007-04-18T13:07:35  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: if it doesnt change much and only gets fixes, it will be more stable
2007-04-18T13:07:42  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2007-04-18T13:08:13  <johill> I'm personally running 1.6 on quite a few sites now
2007-04-18T13:08:26  <xorAxAx> also it means that 1.5 doesnt acquire too much work because of backporting to 1.5
2007-04-18T13:08:29  <johill> nobody complained so far ;) (except that one bug with the info action from yesterday)
2007-04-18T13:14:41  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I move the soc2007 branches and the current devel branch to 1.7 later
2007-04-18T13:15:31  <johill> I guess then you'll also have to write that converter you were talking about ;)
2007-04-18T13:16:17  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, unpleasant job 8|
2007-04-18T13:38:58  <johill> who's doing the templating thing?
2007-04-18T13:39:47  <johill> I mean, are you here? :)
2007-04-18T13:41:05  * ThomasWaldmann updated descriptions on http://hg.thinkmo.de/
2007-04-18T13:41:28  <dreimark> and the search input of foo -nothing needs to be fixed
2007-04-18T13:42:36  <johill> is MoinMoinTodo/Release_1.6.0 up to date?
2007-04-18T13:42:56  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ask fpletz :)
2007-04-18T13:44:37  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: i guess at least some parts are rather wishes than todos
2007-04-18T13:45:00  <ThomasWaldmann> but as ever, if nobody works on it, it will just not happen
2007-04-18T13:45:44  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: sure, I can see that
2007-04-18T13:45:56  <johill> most of it is links to FeatureRequests/...
2007-04-18T13:45:57  <johill> :)
2007-04-18T13:46:45  <johill> dreimark: what about those requests you have there? aren't some of those merged?
2007-04-18T13:48:52  <dreimark>  johill: which file are you looking
2007-04-18T13:49:58  <dreimark> blind
2007-04-18T13:50:17  <johill> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinTodo/Release_1.6.0
2007-04-18T13:51:09  <dreimark> got it and will and editing
2007-04-18T13:51:32  <johill> :)
2007-04-18T13:53:33  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: see my comment there
2007-04-18T13:53:45  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: see my comment there
2007-04-18T13:55:03  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: guess_page is shortly explained at the bottom of the page :)
2007-04-18T13:55:15  <xorAxAx> it makes external links _-agnostic
2007-04-18T13:55:19  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, that X)
2007-04-18T13:55:51  <johill> dreimark: make that CHANGES thing a link to http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.6/file/tip/docs/CHANGES on the top while you're editing :)
2007-04-18T13:56:18  <johill> or better yet http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.6/raw-file/tip/docs/CHANGES
2007-04-18T13:59:49  <dreimark> johill, done
2007-04-18T13:59:52  <johill> thanks
2007-04-18T14:00:08  <dreimark>  ThomasWaldmann:can I move all open wishes to 1.7, shorter text
2007-04-18T14:00:56  <johill> bbl
2007-04-18T14:05:58  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:I move it to the 1.7 wishes so Oliver knows its open and not removed
2007-04-18T14:14:18  <ThomasWaldmann> please make feature requests for wishes
2007-04-18T14:14:54  <ThomasWaldmann> OK, as you all see on hg.thinkmo.de now, we have new branches
2007-04-18T14:15:09  <ThomasWaldmann> even the comments are meaningful now
2007-04-18T14:25:14  <flowhase> hmm
2007-04-18T14:25:32  <flowhase> do i need to recheckout my branch?
2007-04-18T14:26:12  <flowhase> i mean as the name changed
2007-04-18T14:28:25  <flowhase> s/as/since
2007-04-18T14:30:02  <ThomasWaldmann> flowhase: yes, please do
2007-04-18T14:30:18  <ThomasWaldmann> just do a fresh clone
2007-04-18T14:32:15  <dreimark> Can we live with that SyntaxReference and the nesting trouble of {{{
2007-04-18T14:32:42  <ThomasWaldmann> well, i guess we would be dead if we could not X)
2007-04-18T14:34:07  <flowhase> ThomasWaldmann: kk, no problem
2007-04-18T14:35:56  <flowhase> did not change anything yet, so there will be no sweat ;>
2007-04-18T14:36:50  <ThomasWaldmann> i checked the public repos for changes before deleting them :)
2007-04-18T14:40:07  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-04-18T14:40:16  <dreimark> bbl 2
2007-04-18T16:07:28  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: how about forking moinmaster too? I doubt it's completely up to date with 1.6 yet but I like making changes for the wiki docs as I commit them
2007-04-18T16:22:45  <johill> do we prefer camelCase() or under_line_function() names?
2007-04-18T16:22:52  <johill> it doesn't seem to be too consistent..
2007-04-18T16:35:20  <johill> pep8 is pretty clear on under_line_function() names
2007-04-18T16:42:11  <dreimark> bbl ~5h
2007-04-18T16:49:48  * flowhase is confrontend with dysfunctional code :/
2007-04-18T16:50:58  <flowhase> the template-engine and data-model classes here at work are utterly cumbersome and unreadable :/
2007-04-18T16:51:52  <flowhase> i really would appreciate genshi here, but the new policy is that we develop with the support code written inhouse
2007-04-18T17:59:16  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: for now, please use some subpage to your homepage on moinmoin wiki for such stuff.
2007-04-18T17:59:54  <ThomasWaldmann> as soon as 1.6 gets good enough, I will switch the wikis to 1.6
2007-04-18T18:00:13  <ThomasWaldmann> (and when I am at that, maybe another one with 1.7)
2007-04-18T18:02:56  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: the problem is that if stuff is still much in flux (like 1.7 will be), the translators shouldnt get that stuff too early or they'll have to translate it again and again (and if they don't, it won't be very consistent)
2007-04-18T19:08:49  <lanius> hello
2007-04-18T19:10:05  <grzywacz> hi
2007-04-18T20:34:16  * grzywacz smiles faintly
2007-04-18T20:55:37  * grzywacz curses ;)
2007-04-18T21:05:32  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: what? :)
2007-04-18T21:08:17  <grzywacz> My arm toolchain has broken itself and I can't make a new release of wesnoth for gp2x. ;)
2007-04-18T21:09:57  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-04-18T21:18:16  <grzywacz> rotfl, this thing is stupid. I chroot into my old 32-bit debian and using the same source tree, the same scripts and the very same compiler everything is ok.
2007-04-18T21:18:29  <grzywacz> Do it from 64-bit env, and g++ can't find its std headers. Madness.
2007-04-18T21:21:27  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: well, but its a different tree
2007-04-18T21:21:52  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, no, I have the same directory mount-binded in the chroot
2007-04-18T21:22:10  <xorAxAx> std header == /usr/include?
2007-04-18T21:22:16  <xorAxAx> == not in the mount bind?
2007-04-18T21:23:05  <grzywacz> No, its from toolchain's own include dir. I believe. ;)
2007-04-18T21:23:43  <xorAxAx> but you have 2 toolchains in 32 and 64?
2007-04-18T21:23:52  <grzywacz> No. The same for both.
2007-04-18T21:23:58  <xorAxAx> in 32?
2007-04-18T21:24:07  <grzywacz> Yes.
2007-04-18T21:24:10  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-04-18T21:24:22  <grzywacz> strace to the rescue! ;S
2007-04-18T21:27:17  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: but how does your toolchain discover your libc in the 64 bit chroot?
2007-04-18T21:27:24  <xorAxAx> (i.e. the real /)
2007-04-18T21:27:30  <xorAxAx> if it is 32 bit ...
2007-04-18T21:28:46  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, the binary works fine, so it links ok with the compat libc I have installed. It should have no effect on includes being used during compilation, no?
2007-04-18T21:28:59  <grzywacz> Hm.
2007-04-18T21:29:01  <grzywacz> Or not.
2007-04-18T21:29:15  <xorAxAx> theoretically, that compat one should be equivalent, yes
2007-04-18T21:30:04  <grzywacz> Something is broken, though:
2007-04-18T21:30:12  <grzywacz> write(2, "fork: Function not implemented", 30fork: Function not implemented) = 30
2007-04-18T21:30:12  <grzywacz> :-D
2007-04-18T21:31:18  <grzywacz> So it looks like preprocessor fails to launch somewhere in the middle causing a completely random stream of error messages from the compiler
2007-04-18T21:31:29  <grzywacz> -_-;
2007-04-18T21:37:19  <grzywacz> No idea why, though.
2007-04-18T21:46:49  <grzywacz> Fixed.
2007-04-18T21:48:59  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, you were right about /usr/include, it was added somewhere in the middle of 5-line long command line by autotools :\
2007-04-18T21:49:08  <xorAxAx> :)
2007-04-18T21:49:15  <grzywacz> Really nasty.
2007-04-18T23:12:38  <dreimark_> ThomasWaldmann:can you restart the log importer please
2007-04-18T23:13:07  <dreimark_> the one xorAxAx changed for instantly importing