2007-08-20T00:08:13 * ThomasWaldmann gets nearer to a working link markup
2007-08-20T00:25:39 <ThomasWaldmann> it works! :D
2007-08-20T00:25:58 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: look at test17
2007-08-20T00:26:52 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: Great!
2007-08-20T00:27:40 <dreimark> and the style is correct too
2007-08-20T00:28:53 <ThomasWaldmann> style?
2007-08-20T00:30:26 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, the "Style" section. yeah, that was confused due to wrong formatter calling order.
2007-08-20T00:34:51 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ImageLink knows inline too, I have added an example for inline too which does not yet work
2007-08-20T00:37:26 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what is the semantics of that construction?
2007-08-20T00:37:42 <ThomasWaldmann> [[inline:moinmoin.txt|{{attachment:fullsize.png}}]]
2007-08-20T00:38:47 <dreimark> target moinmoin.txt desc attached img
2007-08-20T00:39:19 <dreimark> you have an image which on click shows the textfile
2007-08-20T00:39:34 <ThomasWaldmann> do you mean what i tried in the line below?
2007-08-20T00:39:53 <ThomasWaldmann> but that would be a link, not inline (for the target)
2007-08-20T00:40:18 <ThomasWaldmann> inline was replaced by {{}} syntax, btw
2007-08-20T00:40:50 <ThomasWaldmann> for 1.5 moin, "inline:" meant "embed this attachment here"
2007-08-20T00:41:04 <ThomasWaldmann> for 1.5 moin, "attachment:" meant "link to this attachment here"
2007-08-20T00:41:38 <ThomasWaldmann> for this parser, [[]] means link, {{}} means embed, and attachment: means an attachment
2007-08-20T00:41:51 <ThomasWaldmann> (and will go away long term)
2007-08-20T00:42:06 <ThomasWaldmann> (the attachment: part I mean)
2007-08-20T00:43:10 * ThomasWaldmann loves this syntax and how the parser looks now :)
2007-08-20T00:44:23 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: look at top of http://test.wikiwikiweb.de/ReimarBauer
2007-08-20T00:45:52 <ThomasWaldmann> that's the current 1.6 parser
2007-08-20T00:46:47 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, view, not get
2007-08-20T00:49:26 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: this is what almost worked for the 2nd markup line I added to the test17 page (except that it inlined it directly there)
2007-08-20T00:49:58 <ThomasWaldmann> of course it got confused at the }}}} markup
2007-08-20T00:51:26 <ThomasWaldmann> of course I could also link to the do=view link (not do=get)
2007-08-20T00:52:25 <ThomasWaldmann> but that would be different from now and less comfortable if you want to download it
2007-08-20T00:52:47 <ThomasWaldmann> even if we add the download link on top of the target page, it would need 2 clicks then
2007-08-20T00:53:36 <ThomasWaldmann> we have to think about that for mimetype items, too. we will have the same problem there.
2007-08-20T00:55:35 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we should really change the default attachment link target to the view action
2007-08-20T00:55:49 <ThomasWaldmann> and add a download link at top
2007-08-20T00:57:24 <dreimark> Currently I would prefer view because then parsers or embedobject could be used and whatever
2007-08-20T00:57:34 <dreimark> is below the link could be viewed
2007-08-20T00:58:04 <dreimark> otherwise you have first to download it and then to check which program could be used
2007-08-20T00:58:37 <ThomasWaldmann> for mimetype items, if we link to them, we have to default to "show" anyway
2007-08-20T00:59:04 <ThomasWaldmann> (and this will be the same action for wiki pages and for files)
2007-08-20T00:59:41 <ThomasWaldmann> so "view" looks like a step in right direction
2007-08-20T00:59:45 <dreimark> sounds good.
2007-08-20T01:00:51 <dreimark> and if right mouse click save link as could be used the content below could be saved to a file too
2007-08-20T01:02:53 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, changed on test17
2007-08-20T01:04:02 <neagulm> dreimark, I'm going to sleep. I will be back tomorrow morning
2007-08-20T01:05:03 <dreimark> neagulm: ok, good night. I have some worksmen tommorow in my flat.
2007-08-20T01:05:51 <dreimark> hopefully I could join in the morning
2007-08-20T01:07:13 <neagulm> dreimark, tomorrow i will fix the issue with the ACL's preventing display of the links. Last 2-3 hours I tried to fix a bug related to py2.3 :(
2007-08-20T01:07:41 <neagulm> dreimark, will you be able to join #moin-dev tomorrow ?
2007-08-20T01:08:28 <dreimark> neagulm: I will switch the system on but if they are here I have to take a bit care about them
2007-08-20T01:09:01 <dreimark> that 2.3 bug you tried to fix you can ask here too
2007-08-20T01:09:36 <dreimark> may be someone has a good idea
2007-08-20T01:12:40 <neagulm> dreimark, I will try to fix it tomorow, if i have problems I'l push a fix in a few days
2007-08-20T01:12:49 <neagulm> dreimark, but for now I need to go to sleep
2007-08-20T01:13:00 <neagulm> good night all
2007-08-20T01:13:09 <dreimark> good night neagulm
2007-08-20T01:19:29 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ok, changed, see test17
2007-08-20T01:21:38 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: nice
2007-08-20T01:22:13 <dreimark> and its the correct file name on the download button better as save as in my browser :)
2007-08-20T02:10:26 <dreimark> good night
2007-08-20T02:29:16 <grzywa> hm
2007-08-20T02:36:43 <ThomasWaldmann> you lost you cz :)
2007-08-20T02:38:34 <grzywa> Yeah.
2007-08-20T02:38:47 <grzywacz> I have it.
2007-08-20T02:40:47 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I didn't the latest changes with python2.3 because I use 2.3 at home, and haven't been here for over 1.5 week
2007-08-20T02:40:51 <grzywacz> *didn't test
2007-08-20T02:54:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok. maybe do some test when you return home.
2007-08-20T02:54:43 <grzywacz> I'm here right now.
2007-08-20T02:54:44 <grzywacz> ;]
2007-08-20T08:35:02 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-08-20T08:44:04 <dreimark> moin
2007-08-20T08:55:41 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: one of the wikipages referenced from CHANGES.spamfilter is missing.
2007-08-20T08:56:01 <ThomasWaldmann> the other one needs proofreading/correction
2007-08-20T08:56:33 <ThomasWaldmann> CHANGES.* need reformatting to be includable into CHANGES
2007-08-20T08:57:55 <ThomasWaldmann> admin docs for spamfilter are there, but no user docs
2007-08-20T09:01:40 <ThomasWaldmann> same points are true for the recommender stuff
2007-08-20T09:03:09 <ThomasWaldmann> additionally, the wiki page tells (under usage -> clean old files) that it puts stuff into $MOINDIR (the code dir)
2007-08-20T09:03:47 <ThomasWaldmann> if this is still true, this must be changed to use the data (data/cache/ ?) dir
2007-08-20T09:09:24 <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: since py.test does not really work with 2.3, no
2007-08-20T09:16:33 <ThomasWaldmann> testing is not limited to running py.test :)
2007-08-20T09:17:15 <ThomasWaldmann> moin, btw. :)
2007-08-20T09:20:59 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I have send an email to him about that.
2007-08-20T09:22:32 <dreimark> I have to be off because worksman arrived (hopefully they are fast, sounded not too much work for today)
2007-08-20T09:25:19 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, have fun :)
2007-08-20T09:29:43 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: user.addTrail, I guess it does not need to add a page to trail if session is disabled and user is not valid. Currently it does
2007-08-20T09:32:48 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but it is no problem, just superfluous
2007-08-20T09:34:30 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yeah superfluos and theme looks strange
2007-08-20T09:36:02 <ThomasWaldmann> it would also look strange with an empty trail
2007-08-20T09:39:06 <xorAxAx> lanius: thats wrong
2007-08-20T09:39:10 <xorAxAx> lanius: it works fine with py 2.3
2007-08-20T09:39:42 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: no that is how 1.5 works now. And its not nice to see twice the pagename
2007-08-20T09:42:34 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: empty trail != no trail. Showing no trail would be the correct thing if there is no session.
2007-08-20T09:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2007-08-20T09:43:56 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: my opinion too. But the trail is not empty with no session currently.
2007-08-20T09:44:30 <xorAxAx> that sounds like a bug :)
2007-08-20T09:58:09 <lanius> xorAxAx: no it doesn't here
2007-08-20T09:59:32 <xorAxAx> lanius: well, use paste.pocoo.org
2007-08-20T09:59:42 <xorAxAx> lanius: are you using the newest version?
2007-08-20T09:59:45 <xorAxAx> i.e. svn ehad
2007-08-20T09:59:46 <xorAxAx> head
2007-08-20T10:00:09 <lanius> xorAxAx: no, the latest tarball
2007-08-20T10:00:58 <xorAxAx> please paste the exception first
2007-08-20T10:01:08 <xorAxAx> before i recommend you again to use the svn version
2007-08-20T10:03:17 <ThomasWaldmann> :D
2007-08-20T10:15:08 <xorAxAx> lanius: so? :)
2007-08-20T10:23:45 <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-08-20T10:24:36 * ThomasWaldmann might be not available today afternoon, so if there are pre-deadline questions: ask them soon
2007-08-20T10:25:13 <dreimark> moin neagulm
2007-08-20T10:25:24 <neagulm> hello dreimark
2007-08-20T10:25:44 <dreimark> neagulm: did you read my mail of ThomasWaldmann wishes?
2007-08-20T10:25:58 <neagulm> dreimark, i will upload a picture from my phone to see something...
2007-08-20T10:26:26 <dreimark> neagulm: ?
2007-08-20T10:27:09 <neagulm> dreimark, i will do the changes until 16UTC
2007-08-20T10:27:23 <dreimark> neagulm: fine
2007-08-20T10:27:34 <dreimark> better a bit before ...
2007-08-20T10:29:45 <neagulm> dreimark, :)
2007-08-20T10:30:42 <dreimark> neagulm: worksman are already in my flat, may be I have to switch rapidly the system off. If so try email so I don't miss a question or ask someone else here
2007-08-20T10:31:17 <neagulm> dreimark, ok
2007-08-20T10:41:10 <dreimark> arrgh trail has more bugs
2007-08-20T10:41:50 <dreimark> trails arent saved. If you logout all are gone
2007-08-20T10:44:01 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2940:90f0956c90eb 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Keep All data under data dir
2007-08-20T10:44:05 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2943:3dc44357fb4b 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (12 files in 4 dirs): Merge with main
2007-08-20T10:48:32 <dreimark> xorAxAx: Do you know when johill returns?
2007-08-20T10:50:55 <xorAxAx> no idea
2007-08-20T10:51:51 <thomas_345456> hi
2007-08-20T10:51:56 <thomas_345456> anyone here? ;-)
2007-08-20T11:04:58 <thomas_345456> still noone here? :-(
2007-08-20T11:05:24 <dreimark> thomas_345456: sure we are here but you dont ask and i guess you are on the wrong channel
2007-08-20T11:10:12 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2944:2f3bfe2029c8 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Update test to use moindir
2007-08-20T11:10:14 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2945:9b0315a2ff70 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Add whitespaces
2007-08-20T11:10:15 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2946:1381c60be8c9 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Merge with testing
2007-08-20T11:10:18 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2947:0843583bfc14 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Fix arg name
2007-08-20T11:10:19 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2948:4cd33d2a881b 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Merge with testing
2007-08-20T11:10:22 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2949:50b2a23b5b90 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Fix spelling error
2007-08-20T11:10:27 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2950:5cbe6a388a3a 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Use data_dir
2007-08-20T11:10:30 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2951:7b5c5afc3cb3 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Merge with testing
2007-08-20T11:10:57 <dreimark> neagulm: if one doesnt have called recommender index loading the wiki breaks with an error: Invalid input size
2007-08-20T11:11:25 <dreimark> better it tells what is wrong
2007-08-20T11:13:41 <thomas_345456> okay sry...im using irc the first time. here is my problem:
2007-08-20T11:14:48 <dreimark> thomas_345456: please go to #moin
2007-08-20T11:14:56 <dreimark> we are there too
2007-08-20T11:17:17 <neagulm> dreimark, it's normal. I will update the sample wikiconfig and the wiki pages to mention that recommendation should not be enabled before indexing
2007-08-20T11:18:29 <dreimark> neagulm: for now it is ok this way.
2007-08-20T11:19:39 <neagulm> dreimark, i'm installing Xara to scale the icons...
2007-08-20T11:20:13 <neagulm> dreimark, how many graphics gifted people are in the MM team?
2007-08-20T11:20:35 <neagulm> dreimark, I can bring someone new if needed... :)
2007-08-20T11:21:37 <dreimark> neagulm: we don't have much and it would be nice someone likes to contribute with graphics :)
2007-08-20T11:21:46 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2925:7180de71551e 1.7-maninfo-vpv/ (23 files in 10 dirs): merge from main
2007-08-20T11:21:47 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2926:4e1ef91affce 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/ (action/SisterDiff.py script/import/manimport.py): Add wikiutil.escape() to SisterDiff form handling. Change the non-working cache try in manimport a bit, still doesn't work ;)
2007-08-20T11:25:53 <dreimark> neagulm: you can use convert, xv to scale too
2007-08-20T11:26:55 <neagulm> dreimark, yes but i have the files in xar format and i don't want to lose quality
2007-08-20T11:27:17 <dreimark> neagulm: ok :)
2007-08-20T11:31:37 <neagulm> dreimark, i'm going to the research institute, i can't work in here because of the workers. I will be offline for ~30 minutes until I get there
2007-08-20T11:31:58 <dreimark> ok, I am testing your code
2007-08-20T11:32:47 <neagulm> ok
2007-08-20T12:13:14 <neagulm> dreimark, back
2007-08-20T12:13:38 <dreimark> neagulm: see my mail
2007-08-20T12:41:23 <dreimark> neagulm: the CHANGES.spamfilter and CHANGES.recommender files could be improved
2007-08-20T12:44:11 <dreimark> you should use the tags of CHANGES and the indenting
2007-08-20T12:45:02 <dreimark> of cource you could add a section TODO and TODO-Post-SOC
2007-08-20T12:45:39 <dreimark> e.g. changing the theme with icons for spamfilter could be done as Post-soc
2007-08-20T12:47:13 <dreimark> or changing the classifier
2007-08-20T12:51:28 <dreimark> ahh I should read wikiconfig better recommender_useunderlay = True :)
2007-08-20T13:18:53 <johill> dreimark: yeah
2007-08-20T13:19:27 <dreimark> johill: pagetrail seems to behave very strange for me now
2007-08-20T13:19:58 <dreimark> if I am logged in I see pagetrails if I toggle logoff/in it is gone
2007-08-20T13:20:29 <dreimark> if I don't have sessions and be logged off I do see a trail of lenght 1 which shows the page title
2007-08-20T13:23:48 <johill> I'm not sure how to change underlay
2007-08-20T13:23:55 <johill> I thought it was automatically generated from moinmaster or something
2007-08-20T13:24:06 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2952:0015d48bd2a3 1.7-classify-mneagul/docs/ (CHANGES.recommender CHANGES.spamfilter): Update the CHNAGES files
2007-08-20T13:24:08 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2953:80518f440c60 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/script/recommender/cluster.py: pep8 conformance fix
2007-08-20T13:24:34 <neagulm> dreimark, I will switch for a few minutes in a virtual machine to do some testing in win32
2007-08-20T13:24:36 <neagulm> dreimark, brb
2007-08-20T13:24:56 <dreimark> neagulm: I cant train underlay pages
2007-08-20T13:26:13 <dreimark> neagulm:I cant train any page
2007-08-20T13:26:48 <neagulm> dreimark, fixing now
2007-08-20T13:27:07 <dreimark> neagulm: do you like to get a traceback from me?
2007-08-20T13:27:22 <neagulm> dreimark, yes
2007-08-20T13:28:40 <johill> the length one is weird
2007-08-20T13:30:30 <dreimark> neagulm: http://moinmo.in/MarianNeagul/RecommendationSystem?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=traceback.html
2007-08-20T13:30:58 <dreimark> better do=get
2007-08-20T13:31:29 <dreimark> johill: I think it should be empty (no trail shown) if user is logged off and no session
2007-08-20T13:31:39 <dreimark> so it looks similiar to moin 1.5.x
2007-08-20T13:32:17 <johill> yeah, I'm convinced that it should be like that
2007-08-20T13:32:24 <johill> but I'm not sure where the bug would be
2007-08-20T13:43:52 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2954:169a853e3a61 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/events/recommender.py: Do error checking in event handler
2007-08-20T13:53:00 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2007-08-20T13:53:21 <dreimark> freenode is comming back
2007-08-20T13:53:47 <grzywacz> oops
2007-08-20T13:53:51 <grzywacz> breakage, I see
2007-08-20T13:58:59 <neagulm> dreimark, i hope the event exception handling
2007-08-20T13:59:29 <dreimark> trying
2007-08-20T14:00:17 <neagulm> dreimark, spelling error: I hope that i fixed the event exception handling :)
2007-08-20T14:00:47 <dreimark> unpack underlay takes a bit
2007-08-20T14:01:14 <dreimark> johill: Action edit is broken for homepage creation
2007-08-20T14:01:41 <dreimark> it could be fixed if text gets text= on the underlay page
2007-08-20T14:02:48 <lanius> xorAxAx: well, there is MoinMoin.parser, maybe he tries to use that
2007-08-20T14:03:22 <dreimark> neagulm: its not gone
2007-08-20T14:04:35 <xorAxAx> lanius: well, find out why
2007-08-20T14:04:36 <lanius> getting better
2007-08-20T14:05:00 <xorAxAx> maybe your sys.path is a bit broken
2007-08-20T14:07:24 <lanius> changing the working directory helps
2007-08-20T14:10:08 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2955:dd42f0adce76 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/events/recommender.py: Use the corect event for training
2007-08-20T14:12:51 <dreimark> neagulm: with that change I do get 'PagePreSaveEvent' object has no attribute 'page'
2007-08-20T14:13:17 <dreimark> redo building index now
2007-08-20T14:14:43 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I've just got all the necessary details of my thesis discussed
2007-08-20T14:14:52 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, so the only major thing left is actually finding a flat ;)
2007-08-20T14:14:59 <neagulm> dreimark, wait a second
2007-08-20T14:15:11 <dreimark> ok
2007-08-20T14:23:02 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2956:29972f377de5 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/events/recommender.py: Training correctly the recommender with the new text
2007-08-20T14:23:37 <neagulm> dreimark, i reproduced the first error and fixed the problem
2007-08-20T14:25:35 <dreimark> lets see
2007-08-20T14:27:24 <grzywacz> bbl :S
2007-08-20T14:28:12 <dreimark> neagulm: now I get "Recommender is not setup correctly: Invalid input size" and i cant save
2007-08-20T14:28:23 <xorAxAx> lanius: currently here is even a bit of sun :)
2007-08-20T14:28:34 <xorAxAx> lanius: but unfortunately you dont want to visit the nice OWL
2007-08-20T14:29:46 <lanius> xorAxAx: unfortunately i am back home ;)
2007-08-20T14:30:17 <xorAxAx> lanius: hehe
2007-08-20T14:30:30 <CIA-14> moin: Heinrich Wendel <h_wendel@cojobo.net> * 2917:3b706471322c 1.7-storage-hwendel/MoinMoin/ (5 files in 4 dirs): more python 2.3 compatibility
2007-08-20T14:30:58 <dreimark> xorAxAx: As I was in DeathValley we have had 52.7 degree Celcius that was a bit funny
2007-08-20T14:31:47 <neagulm> dreimark, this message should appear when the recommender is enabled in wiki config but no indexing has be done. The error disappears when you disabled the recommender or when you do the indexing
2007-08-20T14:33:04 <dreimark> neagulm: index is builded
2007-08-20T14:33:30 <neagulm> dreimark, please note that the classifier will not assign the page to any cluster when no interesting token are available
2007-08-20T14:35:26 <neagulm> dreimark, I have tested it and works. Please ensure that you have done the indexing and that MoinMoin has been restarted after that
2007-08-20T14:35:46 <dreimark> neagulm: there is something else wrong I dont get on any of my underlay pages the train action
2007-08-20T14:36:19 <neagulm> dreimark, the problem from yesterday...
2007-08-20T14:36:23 <dreimark> neagulm: do you have deleted all db files from moin dir
2007-08-20T14:37:21 <neagulm> yes
2007-08-20T14:38:11 <dreimark> I am not logged in
2007-08-20T14:40:18 <dreimark> aha if I am logged in I do see Train on underlay
2007-08-20T14:40:46 <neagulm> dreimark, probably if you login now you will get another exception. This is because the user ART has a different number of inputs then the number of selected features. This can be worked around by deleting recommenderdb in data_dir
2007-08-20T14:41:07 <neagulm> dreimark, it seems you are lucky.
2007-08-20T14:41:11 <neagulm> dreimark, :)
2007-08-20T14:41:59 <neagulm> dreimark, i will think of a way to clean the user ART when there is a misconfiguration. Maybe keep a revision/version in art.db
2007-08-20T14:42:55 <neagulm> dreimark, but there is no chance that i will finish today this part :)
2007-08-20T14:43:06 <xorAxAx> dreimark: wow
2007-08-20T14:43:22 <neagulm> dreimark, I hope that my repo will remain available after SoC
2007-08-20T14:43:26 <dreimark> neagulm: seems clear, there are some cases which don't work yet and I guess I picked mostly of them
2007-08-20T14:43:55 <dreimark> neagulm: it will rem
2007-08-20T14:44:38 <dreimark> neagulm: your repo will remain available after SoC because we want you to do all these fixes :)
2007-08-20T14:44:51 <dreimark> xorAxAx: ?
2007-08-20T14:46:03 <xorAxAx> dreimark: 52
2007-08-20T14:46:55 <dreimark> xorAxAx: ahh, the temp. and we hiked there to an arch
2007-08-20T14:47:03 <dreimark> 4l water each
2007-08-20T14:47:33 <neagulm> dreimark, have you played with changing the vigilance parameter ? you may see totally different clusters
2007-08-20T14:47:54 <neagulm> dreimark, valid values are in the interval [0,1)
2007-08-20T14:48:02 <dreimark> neagulm: I dont get it currently working none of my pages could be added
2007-08-20T14:48:29 <dreimark> some hours ago it was not perfect but I could have seen clusters and so on
2007-08-20T14:49:43 <neagulm> dreimark, last moment hacking... :) trying all the features once again...
2007-08-20T14:54:06 <dreimark> neagulm: please look at the indenting for CHANGES compared to yours too
2007-08-20T14:55:08 <dreimark> underlying -> underlaying
2007-08-20T15:24:39 <dreimark> neagulm: the problems I do get are reproducable on two different linux boxes
2007-08-20T15:26:03 <dreimark> while the other box returns on the console Exception exceptions.TypeError: "'NoneType' object is not callable" in ignored
2007-08-20T15:26:08 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2957:a948ba5cc82b 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: User recommender fixes.
2007-08-20T15:26:23 <neagulm> dreimark, give it a try now
2007-08-20T15:26:30 <CIA-14> moin: Heinrich Wendel <h_wendel@cojobo.net> * 2918:ad56ec68775d 1.7-storage-hwendel/ (8 files in 7 dirs): fix uid_override
2007-08-20T15:26:30 <dreimark> pulling
2007-08-20T15:26:30 <neagulm> dreimark, yes... that error:D
2007-08-20T15:27:33 <neagulm> dreimark, the problem is deep and I think is that is only solvable by rewriting the feature back-end
2007-08-20T15:27:47 <neagulm> dreimark, don't forget to index again
2007-08-20T15:28:22 <neagulm> and to remove $data_dir/recommenderdb because i have made some changes in the user part
2007-08-20T15:29:46 <dreimark> neagulm: ocasionally I found in moindir tokens.db and features.db
2007-08-20T15:30:27 <dreimark> indexing now
2007-08-20T15:30:35 <neagulm> they appear when you run the tests
2007-08-20T15:30:42 <neagulm> i will fix that too
2007-08-20T15:35:51 <dreimark> neagulm: it dont work.
2007-08-20T15:36:04 <dreimark> neagulm: we stop for today on that issues
2007-08-20T15:36:22 <neagulm> dreimark, what does not work ?
2007-08-20T15:36:32 <dreimark> neagulm: Recommender is not setup correctly: Invalid input size
2007-08-20T15:36:56 <dreimark> on pages I have created in the past I do see the Train action
2007-08-20T15:37:02 <dreimark> but I cant call them
2007-08-20T15:37:44 <neagulm> dreimark, did you restart MM in case you use a multi-threaded server?
2007-08-20T15:37:45 <dreimark> if I edit and try to save i get Recommender is not setup correctly: Invalid input size
2007-08-20T15:38:02 <dreimark> neagulm: I do use DesktopEdition
2007-08-20T15:38:34 <dreimark> neagulm: how do you test it
2007-08-20T15:40:08 <dreimark> new idea moment
2007-08-20T15:43:39 <dreimark> neagulm: ah I got tokens.db features.db again without test
2007-08-20T15:44:04 <dreimark> there must be some path false at some point
2007-08-20T15:45:30 <dreimark> neagulm: yeah everytime if I like to save it write token.db to moin dir
2007-08-20T15:45:40 <dreimark> and features.db
2007-08-20T15:45:46 <dreimark> that is the wrong place
2007-08-20T15:55:25 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2958:2937742d7620 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: Fix tokens db path
2007-08-20T15:58:57 <neagulm> dreimark, http://www.info.uvt.ro/~neagul/moin/demo.ogg
2007-08-20T15:59:56 <vpv> well just great, Finland refuses to vote in the OOXML fast standardization stuff, because "there's a conflict" between the public sector and businesses
2007-08-20T16:05:58 <dreimark> neagulm: unfortunately its not solved
2007-08-20T16:07:07 <neagulm> did you see the movie?
2007-08-20T16:08:24 <dreimark> mplayer tells no video only audio
2007-08-20T16:08:31 <dreimark> but i have a rather old system here
2007-08-20T16:08:50 <dreimark> I decided to update after your deadline
2007-08-20T16:10:00 <dreimark> neagulm: on the other system I see it
2007-08-20T16:10:27 <dreimark> good idea
2007-08-20T16:10:31 <dreimark> trying again
2007-08-20T16:10:48 <CIA-14> moin: Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> * 2746:c5ef097fc35f 1.7-template-fkrupicka/docs/CHANGES.genshitheme: Reindented CHANGES.genshitheme to better match CHANGES
2007-08-20T16:10:59 <zenhase> hi there
2007-08-20T16:14:34 <dreimark> neagulm: it does go now!!!
2007-08-20T16:15:07 <dreimark> but the only case it does go is to use --underlay yes building the index
2007-08-20T16:15:42 <dreimark> I tried all examples before i have seen your video without the underlay option
2007-08-20T16:16:45 <dreimark> seems I was confused by the wikiconfig var recommender_useunderlay = True
2007-08-20T16:16:54 <neagulm> when using without underlay the classifier might not have enough inputs to work
2007-08-20T16:17:08 <neagulm> i will add a warning for this case
2007-08-20T16:17:31 <dreimark> neagulm: yeah, I will remember but noone else would know
2007-08-20T16:17:53 <dreimark> besides you
2007-08-20T16:18:22 <dreimark> don't write for testing this is easy to misunderstood.
2007-08-20T16:18:31 <dreimark> currently it should be the default
2007-08-20T16:20:21 <dreimark> on post-soc actions like copy needs to be changed too
2007-08-20T16:21:21 <dreimark> neagulm: the underlay pages currently have no train action in the theme
2007-08-20T16:21:59 <dreimark> only new created pages are trained
2007-08-20T16:23:45 <dreimark> but I think that is one of the basic functionality to show that the idea works
2007-08-20T16:26:04 <neagulm> dreimark, pages are also trained on edit
2007-08-20T16:26:44 <dreimark> I know, that way i see it workin now
2007-08-20T16:27:30 <dreimark> currently there are some other bugs which could be solved if there is more time
2007-08-20T16:27:58 <neagulm> dreimark, please update the wiki page so that i have a list
2007-08-20T16:28:14 <dreimark> doing
2007-08-20T16:28:34 <dreimark> 1900 UTC is not far away
2007-08-20T16:28:46 <neagulm> dreimark, :)
2007-08-20T16:29:35 <CIA-14> moin: Heinrich Wendel <h_wendel@cojobo.net> * 2921:6d7b9c165081 1.7-storage-hwendel/ (12 files in 4 dirs): merge main
2007-08-20T16:41:50 <dreimark> neagulm: describe that separated user recommendation is on development
2007-08-20T16:57:27 <dreimark> neagulm: may be the differences with your underlay pages and mine is
2007-08-20T16:57:32 <dreimark> mine are immutable
2007-08-20T16:58:15 <neagulm> dreimark, i think that that is the problem
2007-08-20T17:00:24 <dreimark> neagulm: definitly it is.
2007-08-20T17:01:50 <dreimark> neagulm: no bug for anonymous user
2007-08-20T17:03:07 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2959:82c2fd3bc70e 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py: When no data is available for a term return frequency zero
2007-08-20T17:03:19 <neagulm> dreimark, I think I solved the two bugs reported
2007-08-20T17:03:29 <dreimark> wow
2007-08-20T17:06:48 <dreimark> neagulm: it would be nice if you could move all recommendation and spam files from data to data/cache/recommendation and data/cache/antispam or similiar
2007-08-20T17:37:32 <neagulm> dreimark, the last bug you reported is an old one or I have introduced it today ?
2007-08-20T17:40:19 <dreimark> neagulm: I think its an old one. It occures sometimes on the console no traceback
2007-08-20T17:50:08 <dreimark> neagulm: Exception bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30974, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') in ignored
2007-08-20T17:50:42 <neagulm> dreimark, :((
2007-08-20T17:50:51 <neagulm> dreimark, :)
2007-08-20T17:51:03 <dreimark> before i have seen a UnpicklingError: unpickling stack underflow
2007-08-20T17:51:26 <dreimark> 175245 ERROR UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '\'.
2007-08-20T17:51:37 <neagulm> the FeatureDB and cache require a rewrite
2007-08-20T18:04:37 <dreimark> neagulm: rawunicodeescape.html
2007-08-20T18:04:56 <neagulm> dreimark, I have seen it
2007-08-20T18:05:02 <dreimark> :)
2007-08-20T18:08:18 <neagulm> dreimark, that's a difficult bug. As I said the db's will require a rewrite. But my choices are poor: bsdsb. This time I will start with exhaustive tests and then implement it
2007-08-20T18:24:12 <dreimark> neagulm: after gsoc I suppose?
2007-08-20T18:25:31 <neagulm> after gsoc, i think that is impossible to finish in 1 hour :)
2007-08-20T18:28:53 <dreimark> yeah, can you make the CHANGES changes then I could read them
2007-08-20T18:44:22 <dreimark> bb
2007-08-20T18:49:39 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2960:6e4de0783e07 1.7-classify-mneagul/docs/ (CHANGES.recommender CHANGES.spamfilter): Update CHANGES.* to make it more compatible with main CHANGES
2007-08-20T18:50:03 <neagulm> brb ~a few minutes
2007-08-20T18:50:25 <dreimark> ok
2007-08-20T18:58:54 <dreimark> neagulm: give a note on where to get spambayes and with which changeset at least the patch works
2007-08-20T19:00:05 <dreimark> data_dir/cache/spamfiler -> data_dir/cache/spamfilter
2007-08-20T19:01:38 <dreimark> later on describe the wikiconfig parameters on http://moinmo.in/MarianNeagul/*
2007-08-20T19:07:40 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2961:5a5ad2304c61 1.7-classify-mneagul/docs/CHANGES.spamfilter: Add SpamBayes download link and add aditional info for SpamBayes RPC patch
2007-08-20T19:10:31 <dreimark> neagulm: ok!
2007-08-20T19:16:37 <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2962:4c59cedfe571 1.7-classify-mneagul/wiki/config/more_samples/wikiconfig_spamfilter.py: Sample spamfilter wikiconfig.py
2007-08-20T19:17:25 <xorAxAx> 4:30 left
2007-08-20T19:18:33 <dreimark> xorAxAx: I though 30mis left. Does something change?
2007-08-20T19:18:56 <xorAxAx> dreimark: where did you see a specific deadline?
2007-08-20T19:19:03 <xorAxAx> monday ends in 4:30
2007-08-20T19:19:20 <dreimark> Lesly has written 19:00 UTC
2007-08-20T19:19:26 <xorAxAx> well
2007-08-20T19:19:29 <xorAxAx> then 1 hour
2007-08-20T19:19:45 <xorAxAx> but i think they wont really care about changes later than that :)
2007-08-20T19:20:13 <xorAxAx> sustainable planning is more sensible :)
2007-08-20T19:20:33 <xorAxAx> in fact she usually refers to 08-20 and not a specific time
2007-08-20T19:23:47 <dreimark> xorAxAx: ://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/f43a4a2b3eadad08?hl=en
2007-08-20T19:24:53 <dreimark> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/06c3cdeb3ab7c4f6
2007-08-20T19:25:33 <xorAxAx> i dont see any timestamp there, dreimark
2007-08-20T19:26:29 <dreimark> August 20th at 19:00 UTC is pencils down time -
2007-08-20T19:28:11 <dreimark> xorAxAx: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information-2
2007-08-20T19:28:20 <dreimark> Final Survey Timeline
2007-08-20T19:28:27 <dreimark> Monday, August 20th at 19:00 UTC (12 noon Pacific time): Pencils down.
2007-08-20T19:28:44 <xorAxAx> well, it doesnt mean that students have to stop committing
2007-08-20T19:28:48 <xorAxAx> and in fact, they should not
2007-08-20T19:29:11 <xorAxAx> faciliating that would pretty stupid compared to the goal the program and we as a team have
2007-08-20T19:29:39 <dreimark> xorAxAx: it does not mean they should stop coding
2007-08-20T19:29:55 <xorAxAx> and unfortunately, the last year soc pass didnt satisfy all goals, esp. not the sustainability goal
2007-08-20T19:30:15 <dreimark> its only the time period till it is judged
2007-08-20T19:31:10 <xorAxAx> yes, so it shouldnt be perceived like that and only imposes a light deadline in fact
2007-08-20T19:32:08 <dreimark> yeah but they like to have sourcecode.
2007-08-20T19:32:47 <dreimark> And in the evaluation form there are questions about the behaviour after the deadline
2007-08-20T19:57:28 <dreimark> bbl 40mins
2007-08-20T19:57:39 <neagulm> dreimark, ok, me2
2007-08-20T19:57:44 <xorAxAx> dreimark: i dont see any problem
2007-08-20T20:13:10 <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-08-20T20:16:35 * ThomasWaldmann .oO(what pencils?)
2007-08-20T20:38:40 <vpv> is there a "convenience function" which would put out basically arbitrary data that I pass in a string?
2007-08-20T20:39:09 <ThomasWaldmann> print?
2007-08-20T20:39:11 <xorAxAx> "put out"?
2007-08-20T20:39:23 <vpv> yes, print
2007-08-20T20:40:00 <vpv> I'd just print the man data similarly as raw page data is printed now
2007-08-20T20:42:13 <xorAxAx> ?
2007-08-20T20:42:17 <xorAxAx> request.write()
2007-08-20T20:45:37 <vpv> that's what I was about to use, so I'll use it then :D
2007-08-20T20:52:15 <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: those indexes, they are not authoritative data, so they could be better placed under cache, right?
2007-08-20T20:53:10 <lanius> yes
2007-08-20T20:57:22 <dreimark> bb
2007-08-20T21:42:28 *** ThomasWaldmann changes topic to "MoinMoin Developer Channel - SOC student deadline was 2007-08-20 19:00 UTC - User or third-party issues should go to #moin. Note that you are publicly logged here: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev"
2007-08-20T21:47:48 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2922:fb5fb3bdc4bc 1.7-storage-hwendel/.hgtags: Added tag SOC2007-END for changeset 6d7b9c165081
2007-08-20T21:48:43 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> main * 2963:f9f04429f94b 1.7-classify-mneagul/.hgtags: Added tag SOC2007-END for changeset 4c59cedfe571
2007-08-20T21:49:11 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2698:f5896c05c7ea 1.7-jabber-knowak/.hgtags: Added tag SOC2007-END for changeset 0a6f74a01646
2007-08-20T21:49:40 <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2747:16548b37f5bb 1.7-template-fkrupicka/.hgtags: Added tag SOC2007-END for changeset c5ef097fc35f
2007-08-20T21:51:55 <xorAxAx> ???
2007-08-20T21:52:01 <xorAxAx> why don tthe hashes match?
2007-08-20T21:55:57 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, the tag was set to the cs before the tag changeset
2007-08-20T21:58:31 <xorAxAx> hmm, yes, indeed, its correct. i was confused because all are END changesets
2007-08-20T22:03:12 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: what if not "END"?
2007-08-20T22:05:19 <xorAxAx> start but i guess they are already set :)
2007-08-20T22:24:21 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-08-20T22:33:33 <dreimark> good night
2007-08-20T22:33:50 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2007-08-20T22:35:32 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2927:e3efb695beb9 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/action/ManSource.py: Add ManSource action for getting the man (or later also info) source code based on the wiki page
2007-08-20T22:42:15 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2928:b7423a46c6e4 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/action/ManSource.py: Add some better comments about db2x
2007-08-20T22:43:26 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: are there any bigger changes from karol to be expected from now?
2007-08-20T22:44:18 <ThomasWaldmann> if not I suggest to merge his stuff and close the branch (giving him commit rights to 1.7/main)
2007-08-20T22:44:22 <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2929:e8edffe75de0 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/action/ManSource.py: Argh, clearly the source file was copied from CopyPage originally ;)
2007-08-20T22:45:04 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: no, there wont
2007-08-20T22:45:50 <xorAxAx> and there is nothing in his repo that is not in main
2007-08-20T22:45:55 <xorAxAx> except for your changeset
2007-08-20T22:46:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2007-08-20T22:47:17 <ThomasWaldmann> now he just needs to tell me which one of his 3 ssh keys is the real one X)
2007-08-20T22:48:18 <xorAxAx> well, cant you migrate all and drop the other 2 when he has confirmed one? :)
2007-08-20T22:52:14 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess the other way will be faster :)
2007-08-20T22:53:26 <xorAxAx> but blocking him but that might be ok, yeha
2007-08-20T23:18:27 <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: the cow simulation of underlay/data, did you look at it?
2007-08-20T23:25:23 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: hmm?
2007-08-20T23:25:35 <xorAxAx> lanius changed the semantics, cow is dead
2007-08-20T23:29:01 <ThomasWaldmann> well, underlay is rather pointless now
2007-08-20T23:29:38 <ThomasWaldmann> if you edit FrontPage, it will be in underlay, so you cant replace it when upgrading
2007-08-20T23:29:51 <xorAxAx> of course you can
2007-08-20T23:29:56 <xorAxAx> as good as you could before
2007-08-20T23:31:07 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2007-08-20T23:31:35 <ThomasWaldmann> then your edits there will be gone
2007-08-20T23:36:01 <xorAxAx> no
2007-08-20T23:36:22 <xorAxAx> in 1.5, rev 0 is replaced
2007-08-20T23:36:32 <xorAxAx> in 1.7, rev 1 will be replaced
2007-08-20T23:36:40 <xorAxAx> 1 in underlay store
2007-08-20T23:37:11 <xorAxAx> rev 0 as in the only in the underly store :)
2007-08-20T23:37:19 <xorAxAx> well, its completly the same :)
2007-08-20T23:38:00 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2007-08-20T23:38:34 <ThomasWaldmann> /home/tw/eclipse-ws/moin-1.7-storage/wiki/underlay/pages/StartSeite/revisions
2007-08-20T23:38:34 <ThomasWaldmann> 00000001 00000002 00000003 00000004 00000005 00000006 00000007 00000008
2007-08-20T23:39:13 <xorAxAx> well, thats a bug
2007-08-20T23:39:24 <xorAxAx> not
2007-08-20T23:39:34 <xorAxAx> but it makes it superfluous, yes
2007-08-20T23:39:52 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, so we just copy the new underlay into the old one?
2007-08-20T23:39:54 <xorAxAx> for a read-only wiki, it offers copatiblity, though
2007-08-20T23:40:12 <xorAxAx> well, the idea is to copy the pages into the backend
2007-08-20T23:40:20 <xorAxAx> with underlay being a legacy thing
2007-08-20T23:42:39 <neagulm> good night all
2007-08-20T23:42:46 <ThomasWaldmann> gn neagulm MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-20 (last edited 2007-10-29 19:09:35 by localhost)
