MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-26

2007-08-26T00:05:33  <dreimark> gn
2007-08-26T00:08:06  <grzywacz> yeah, cya
2007-08-26T11:35:33  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-08-26T11:59:07  <grzywacz> moin
2007-08-26T12:01:08  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: your CHANGES files needs merging into main CHANGES
2007-08-26T12:04:34  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann: hm?
2007-08-26T12:05:10  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann: which "my CHANGES"?
2007-08-26T12:05:27  <ThomasWaldmann> CHANGES.jabber
2007-08-26T12:06:11  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann: what merging, then? Everything related to the notification bot is already in the main CHANGES, no?
2007-08-26T12:07:05  <ThomasWaldmann> it is? well then you can hg rm CHANGES.jabber in the main branch.
2007-08-26T12:32:33  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2766:44ebe3cdd515 1.7/MoinMoin/wikidicts.py: fix group entries that use free links for new link syntax
2007-08-26T12:56:22  * ThomasWaldmann tries a .po converter
2007-08-26T14:15:00  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2767:95a97b45a8e9 1.7/MoinMoin/i18n/ (Makefile tools/markup15to16.py): simple po file conversion to new (macro) markup
2007-08-26T14:15:01  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2768:d1a1f10a0451 1.7/MoinMoin/i18n/tools/markup15to16.py: po files: also find macros that are split at EOL
2007-08-26T15:51:30  <CIA-14> moin: grzywacz@kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl * 2769:53be04ae3ac1 1.7/docs/CHANGES.jabber: Remove CHANGES.jabber. It's already been merged with CHANGES and wiki.
2007-08-26T15:51:31  <CIA-14> moin: Karol Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2770:ca030ceec18f 1.7/docs/CHANGES.jabber: Merged main.
2007-08-26T16:07:45  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2771:1134a5cc12c2 1.7/MoinMoin/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gui converter fixes for new markup, fix/extend tests, remove unused code
2007-08-26T16:07:46  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2772:8ad0e79858ae 1.7/docs/CHANGES.jabber: merged main
2007-08-26T16:30:09  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2773:2bbf611f4f2c 1.7/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add link text parameter to pagelinkmarkup
2007-08-26T16:30:21  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-08-26T18:05:35  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2982:750a8b398487 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/_tests/test_recommender.py: Update tests
2007-08-26T18:05:39  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2983:e750a5c63998 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/classifier/recommendation_system.py:
2007-08-26T18:05:39  <CIA-14> moin: Various fixes:
2007-08-26T18:05:39  <CIA-14> moin:  - Ignore page that redirect to other pages
2007-08-26T18:05:39  <CIA-14> moin:  - Weights are computed using a slightly different scheme
2007-08-26T18:05:41  <CIA-14> moin:  - Auto-create DBEnv directory
2007-08-26T18:06:02  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 3044:c2322f08974f 1.7-classify-mneagul/MoinMoin/script/recommender/cluster.py: Do not ignore empty pages
2007-08-26T18:06:03  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 3045:17173535e098 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (91 files in 22 dirs): Merge with main
2007-08-26T18:15:19  <grzywacz> neagulm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIFCV2spKtg
2007-08-26T18:15:22  <grzywacz> O_o;
2007-08-26T18:15:23  <neagulm> hello
2007-08-26T18:15:25  <grzywacz> hi
2007-08-26T18:20:49  <TheSheep> grzywacz: amazing
2007-08-26T18:31:52  <neagulm> hello dreimark
2007-08-26T18:32:00  <dreimark> hi neagulm
2007-08-26T18:34:36  <grzywacz> TheSheep: yes, the effect is very nice
2007-08-26T18:36:08  <TheSheep> grzywacz: I'm sure the photos were specifically picked for their nice effect
2007-08-26T18:36:15  <TheSheep> grzywacz: see the example with the faces
2007-08-26T18:37:11  <grzywacz> TheSheep: indeed, it probably won't work with many cases, but it's just to show effects of some (early?) research.
2007-08-26T18:38:16  <TheSheep> the idea with energy paths is nice
2007-08-26T18:38:45  <grzywacz> TheSheep: but then, once you have an image that scales well using this method (or you've altered it or the weights used by the algorithm to do so), it looks like a very useful tool for content providers that target devices with greatly varying displays.
2007-08-26T18:39:24  <grzywacz> Well, maybe not *very* useful, but still. ;)
2007-08-26T18:40:02  <grzywacz> One of /. comments: "I can imagine it would be extremely useful for ex-boyfriends or ex-girlfriends; just load up all their photos of them and their ex, wave the magic eraser, and *boom* you don't have to delete all your old vacation shots ;)"
2007-08-26T18:40:06  <grzywacz> ;-)
2007-08-26T18:40:07  <TheSheep> grzywacz: could be combined with Wang Tiles for creating backgrounds and textures
2007-08-26T18:42:41  <dreimark> neagulm: that was a large update :)
2007-08-26T18:43:15  <neagulm> dreimark, in what sense?
2007-08-26T18:43:43  <dreimark> neagulm: hg update of your banch tells me added 80 changesets with 259 changes to 106 files
2007-08-26T18:44:21  <neagulm> dreimark, strange, i just edited 2-5 files
2007-08-26T18:44:40  <dreimark> neagulm: then its the 1.7 branch merge ...
2007-08-26T18:48:04  <grzywacz> TheSheep: no idea about that :)
2007-08-26T18:52:36  <dreimark> neagulm: if you have some time can you change a bit the documentation on MM e.g. require underlay on small wikis ...
2007-08-26T18:54:21  <neagulm> dreimark, the documentation requires some additional explanations, I will add them
2007-08-26T18:54:30  <dreimark> :)
2007-08-26T18:57:24  <neagulm> dreimark, Have you tested with a bigger number of features ?
2007-08-26T18:57:36  <dreimark> neagulm: doing
2007-08-26T19:00:26  <neagulm> dreimark, don't forget to delete wiki/data/tokendb and art.db
2007-08-26T19:00:39  <neagulm> dreimark, i have not yet updated the scripts to delete the files
2007-08-26T19:00:58  <neagulm> dreimark, in fact: the new files
2007-08-26T19:01:03  <dreimark> neagulm: I have trained me to start from zero (hehe)
2007-08-26T19:01:52  <xorAxAx> neagulm: it might make sense to add some sequence counter so that the files are dropped/migrated automatically on code changes
2007-08-26T19:02:30  <dreimark> yeah, in that case the database has changed
2007-08-26T19:03:26  <dreimark> neagulm: "Report as Spam" is a bit long.  icedove/thunderbird uses the word junk.
2007-08-26T19:03:56  <dreimark> If that is a common word for reporting as spam may be you want to change that too
2007-08-26T19:04:47  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i have never seen that term
2007-08-26T19:05:30  <TheSheep> also, having a link with "spam" on your wiki is going to attract more of it
2007-08-26T19:06:06  <grzywacz> xorAxAx: thunderbird uses "junk" indeed
2007-08-26T19:06:38  * grzywacz throws http://www.st.cs.uni-sb.de/birthmarking/schuler-ase-2007.pdf at TheSheep
2007-08-26T19:06:40  <dreimark> xorAxAx: you have to enable it with something like junkcontrol
2007-08-26T19:06:50  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: yes, of course except for the occurence he talked about
2007-08-26T19:07:45  * TheSheep apports
2007-08-26T19:07:57  <grzywacz> Oh great... /me continues to read, then ;)
2007-08-26T19:08:00  <neagulm> dreimark, I'm changing now to "Junk" :)
2007-08-26T19:08:06  <dreimark> xorAxAx: me too. just thought three words to describe an action is much
2007-08-26T19:08:20  <dreimark> neagulm: wait, may be someone has a better idea
2007-08-26T19:09:01  <grzywacz> Let's invent a new word!
2007-08-26T19:09:30  <neagulm> dreimark, I'm thinking in doing the feature selection and training incrementally, when a certain threshold is reached the recommendation starts
2007-08-26T19:10:09  <neagulm> dreimark, the admin should just enable the recommendation system, set the number of features and the minimum of documents and wait :)
2007-08-26T19:10:53  <xorAxAx> dreimark: well, if its clear for the user, thats fine
2007-08-26T19:11:58  <dreimark> so we take "junk" neagulm.
2007-08-26T19:13:07  <neagulm> xorAxAx, dreimark: it is very sensitive, Junk could be interpreted as any "low quality" page... but for now it is fine...
2007-08-26T19:14:13  <dreimark> neagulm: that config option sounds good too.
2007-08-26T19:15:02  <xorAxAx> junk is not good
2007-08-26T19:15:21  <xorAxAx> because it doesnt inform the user that there is an action behind
2007-08-26T19:15:30  <xorAxAx> report as junk is better
2007-08-26T19:15:37  <grzywacz> But not shorter
2007-08-26T19:15:38  <xorAxAx> but as good as report as spam, length-wise
2007-08-26T19:15:41  <grzywacz> "Report spam"?
2007-08-26T19:16:25  <grzywacz> Actually, you shouldn't really thing about that too much. It will vary from one language to another anyway.
2007-08-26T19:18:17  <neagulm> what about an icon ?
2007-08-26T19:18:29  <dreimark> grzywacz: true
2007-08-26T19:19:12  <dreimark> neagulm: for some themes ok not for modern at this place
2007-08-26T19:19:54  <xorAxAx> icelandic people surely have 20 words for spam, all longer than 15 chars :)
2007-08-26T19:21:06  <grzywacz> xorAxAx: more like monty python's fans, but I get your points :P
2007-08-26T19:21:12  <grzywacz> s/ts/t/
2007-08-26T19:21:35  <neagulm> xorAxAx, if I think better in Romanian we have None :)
2007-08-26T19:22:21  <grzywacz> neagulm: you've been doing too much python coding if you automatically capitalize 'n' in 'none' ;-)
2007-08-26T19:24:12  <neagulm> grzywacz, ;)
2007-08-26T19:24:54  <xorAxAx> better than saying NIL
2007-08-26T19:25:45  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: NIL! NIL! NIL! NIL!
2007-08-26T19:26:03  * grzywacz curses lisp ;)
2007-08-26T19:26:04  * TheSheep utters "NIL" upon xorAxAx repeatedly
2007-08-26T19:26:41  <TheSheep> grzywacz: Pascal
2007-08-26T19:26:59  <grzywacz> TheSheep: LISP was first!
2007-08-26T19:27:13  * TheSheep wonders if there is a language that uses "Naught"
2007-08-26T19:27:24  <TheSheep> grzywacz: right, LISP was first at everything
2007-08-26T19:27:42  <grzywacz> I didn't say that. ;)
2007-08-26T19:27:48  <TheSheep> grzywacz: I did
2007-08-26T19:27:49  * neagulm loves Lisp
2007-08-26T19:28:02  * grzywacz feels dizzy when he thinks about lisp
2007-08-26T19:28:28  <TheSheep> grzywacz: but they cheat, it's like saying ".*" and then claiming that whatever name you came up with, they had it first
2007-08-26T19:29:24  <dreimark> neagulm: numpy and version should be listed on SystemInfo
2007-08-26T19:29:28  <grzywacz> TheSheep: sure, and certainly LISP wasn't the first language that used a drawing turtle to communicate with the user!
2007-08-26T19:30:06  <TheSheep> grzywacz: I yet have to see any attempt of communication between LISP and the user
2007-08-26T19:30:06  <grzywacz> I've once used a version of logo that used *multiple* turtles. Oh the horror!
2007-08-26T19:30:31  <grzywacz> TheSheep: it was talking to me that last time I tried programming something in it, I swear!
2007-08-26T19:30:34  <grzywacz> ;-)
2007-08-26T19:30:53  <TheSheep> grzywacz: and its said "(((())))" ?
2007-08-26T19:34:31  <grzywacz> TheSheep: something like that
2007-08-26T19:42:36  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: may be we should rename that script MoinMoin/script/moin.py to MoinMoin/script/moin_control.py
2007-08-26T20:28:42  <neagulm> bbl ~1h
2007-08-26T20:30:32  <vpv> dreimark: I actually agree on changing the name, IMO it shouldn't be the same as moin's main runnable...
2007-08-26T20:31:44  <dreimark> either we could rename that too e.g. run_moin.py
2007-08-26T20:37:38  <xorAxAx> dreimark: your first suggestion sounds better to me
2007-08-26T20:39:10  <dreimark> the first one is better. It makes sense fore every kind of server
2007-08-26T21:11:10  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-08-26T21:20:09  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: or move startup logic for standalone server there, so it is moin serve ...
2007-08-26T21:21:58  <xorAxAx> dont forget that thomas named 3 files "moin.py" :)
2007-08-26T21:22:07  <xorAxAx> and that a solution might want to think about those
2007-08-26T21:22:10  <ThomasWaldmann> 3?
2007-08-26T21:22:17  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: a good point. Hmm, but may be more complicated to use. if that command stays in scripts
2007-08-26T21:22:24  <xorAxAx> yes, the new moin.py in the upper most dir as well
2007-08-26T21:22:36  <xorAxAx> (and the one in the template dir)
2007-08-26T21:23:15  <ThomasWaldmann> the last one is just a dummy
2007-08-26T21:25:34  <ThomasWaldmann> i had the plan to integrate the standalone frontend and the moin command some day, but other stuff has higher prio
2007-08-26T21:28:42  <xorAxAx> integrating has some minor issues as well (either you install or exec a file from deep inside the tree)
2007-08-26T21:28:57  <xorAxAx> and you would need some place for the config
2007-08-26T21:33:59  <ThomasWaldmann> any findings in the parser area?
2007-08-26T21:38:01  * ThomasWaldmann want to get 1.6 relevant stuff finished rather than hack more stuff
2007-08-26T21:42:01  <dreimark> me too
2007-08-26T21:43:58  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, what is status of Action macro in 1.6?
2007-08-26T21:50:44  * ThomasWaldmann adds more link markup tests
2007-08-26T21:59:33  <neagulm> are there some known problems with macros in 1.7 ? In my repo none is working.
2007-08-26T22:12:53  <ThomasWaldmann> neagulm: the macro syntax changed from [[...]] to <<...>> if you merged latest 1.7
2007-08-26T22:13:08  <ThomasWaldmann> (there is also a new set of underlay pages included)
2007-08-26T22:22:04  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: action macro is ok, underlay MissingHomePage needs to be changed. keywords of Edit at last
2007-08-26T22:23:41  <DrFrasierCrane> I'm adding a few functions to xml-rpc api that I need in Newton, would you be interested in those additions?
2007-08-26T22:24:07  <DrFrasierCrane> these are just little helpers like xmlrpc_getPageCategories etc.
2007-08-26T22:24:37  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, why not. just make sure you mark them as non-standard.
2007-08-26T22:25:31  <DrFrasierCrane> btw what would be the best way to get all pages that belong to the given category? for now I'm using getPageLinks on the category page
2007-08-26T22:25:41  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: do we have a todo entry for that?
2007-08-26T22:26:09  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: either that or search for it
2007-08-26T22:27:13  <ThomasWaldmann> (searching is better because there is no requirement that a Category Page links to all Cat Members)
2007-08-26T22:29:22  <xorAxAx> dreimark: hi there
2007-08-26T22:29:25  <xorAxAx> oops
2007-08-26T22:29:28  <xorAxAx> DrFrasierCrane: hi there
2007-08-26T22:29:34  <DrFrasierCrane> xorAxAx, hi
2007-08-26T22:29:40  <xorAxAx> DrFrasierCrane: sorry i was a bit unclear last time
2007-08-26T22:29:46  <DrFrasierCrane> ?
2007-08-26T22:29:52  <xorAxAx> DrFrasierCrane: but i meant that such questions go to #moin according to the topic
2007-08-26T22:30:35  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2774:9d63b942987a 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/_tests/test_text_moin_wiki.py: more link/transclusion markup tests
2007-08-26T22:31:08  <neagulm> ThomasWaldmann, thanx
2007-08-26T22:31:32  <DrFrasierCrane> xorAxAx, hmm I hardly remember it :-) I know I was talking some off topic stuff here and it was wrong I understand :-) now I'll only come back with dev stuff :)
2007-08-26T22:31:57  <DrFrasierCrane> anyway, no worries and I hope you feel the same way :)
2007-08-26T22:32:28  <xorAxAx> DrFrasierCrane: no, dev stuff is offtopic here as well except if you are developing moin :)
2007-08-26T22:32:50  <DrFrasierCrane> oh
2007-08-26T22:32:59  <DrFrasierCrane> didn't realize that
2007-08-26T22:33:20  <DrFrasierCrane> so if I want ask something about moin internals I should go to #moin as well ?
2007-08-26T22:33:28  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-08-26T22:33:35  <DrFrasierCrane> ok
2007-08-26T22:33:41  <xorAxAx> most of us are there as well
2007-08-26T22:33:53  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2775:9b43bd4e9e38 1.7/MoinMoin/ (parser/_tests/test_text_moin_wiki.py theme/__init__.py): fix typos
2007-08-26T22:35:54  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: added on MoinMoinTodo/Release_1.7
2007-08-26T22:40:16  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2776:feac6894489b 1.7/docs/CHANGES: added markup change notice to CHANGES
2007-08-26T22:41:13  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ok
2007-08-26T22:41:28  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, isnt that rather 1.6 todo?
2007-08-26T22:45:20  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: we still need guess_page
2007-08-26T22:46:51  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: on 1.6 todo there is a "fix {{{" todo
2007-08-26T22:54:18  <dreimark> johill: wants to have perfect nesting. MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-07-23 He suggested to do it like creole does
2007-08-26T22:55:23  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2007-08-26T22:55:30  <dreimark> and there was another disc. MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-03
2007-08-26T23:01:53  <ThomasWaldmann> see release plan :)
2007-08-26T23:04:56  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe add stuff if I forgot something
2007-08-26T23:46:11  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: who has FPletz mentored last year?
2007-08-26T23:53:40  <neagulm> good night all