MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-09-24

2007-09-24T00:02:55  <dreimark> I have then copied text_html to text_csv and you get a wiki page into OOo
2007-09-24T00:03:10  <dreimark> and its quite good formatted
2007-09-24T00:05:59  <ThomasWaldmann> we need some good concepts for that stuff, we'll soon have lots of mimetypes to deal with
2007-09-24T00:07:08  <dreimark> its very nice, probably we could have a lot of external editors for different staff
2007-09-24T00:08:08  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah and even some internal ones
2007-09-24T00:08:17  <dreimark> :)
2007-09-24T00:08:34  <ThomasWaldmann> (and some cleaned up existing internal ones :D )
2007-09-24T00:12:36  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: For that chapter I am writing I guess I can give you a first version in two weeks
2007-09-24T00:17:11  <ThomasWaldmann> chapter?
2007-09-24T00:20:46  <dreimark> I do write a chapter for a python book for germans about MoinMoin plugins
2007-09-24T00:25:03  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, THAT chapter :)
2007-09-24T00:25:43  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: shall we use a protected page on the mm wiki?
2007-09-24T00:26:30  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: good idea
2007-09-24T00:26:49  <ThomasWaldmann> and btw, which license will you use for the text?
2007-09-24T00:27:15  <dreimark> I do want to use a gpl license
2007-09-24T00:27:55  <dreimark> or similiar
2007-09-24T00:28:35  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe check that with the book authors / publisher
2007-09-24T00:29:38  <dreimark> its on my list
2007-09-24T00:40:11  <dreimark> gn
2007-09-24T00:41:54  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: do I need to clone every time I want to push changes?
2007-09-24T00:42:17  <dreimark> TheSheep: no you have to pull often
2007-09-24T00:43:00  <TheSheep> dreimark: I pulled, but now there are two heads, even when I merged
2007-09-24T00:43:32  <TheSheep> maybe if I commit the merge...
2007-09-24T00:44:14  <CIA-27> moin: Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 2864:1c0e2cdc2d82 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py: Creole parser: nicer comments and code reformatting
2007-09-24T00:44:16  <CIA-27> moin: Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 2865:ae24fa8ff4b2 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py: Creole parser: renamed rule to separator for <hr>
2007-09-24T00:44:17  <CIA-27> moin: Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 2866:2ac0fae11d15 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py: Creole parser: got rid of the setParser() helper
2007-09-24T00:44:19  <CIA-27> moin: Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 2867:69234509b7cf 1.7/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merged creole parser
2007-09-24T00:44:56  <TheSheep> seems to work
2007-09-24T01:01:34  <CIA-27> moin: Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 2868:7b0b85f96fa2 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py: Creole parser: using formatter.linebreak() for inserting line breaks
2007-09-24T01:04:42  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: btw, formatter.div()
2007-09-24T01:05:16  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: nah, the figure thing is for removal anyways
2007-09-24T01:05:41  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: btw, the comment in formatter.linebreak() is backwards
2007-09-24T01:06:02  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it returns '\n' if 'preformatted=1'
2007-09-24T01:07:29  <ThomasWaldmann> i also wondered about that
2007-09-24T01:08:11  <ThomasWaldmann> needs caller analysis I would say
2007-09-24T01:10:07  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: why does <tt> replace spaces with &nbsp; ?
2007-09-24T01:10:24  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: this should be done with CSS
2007-09-24T01:13:36  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: it didnt do so in the days when things worked
2007-09-24T01:15:01  <ThomasWaldmann> if it was changed, there hopefully was some interesting commit comment
2007-09-24T01:17:05  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: is it possible to look for commits touching a particular part of code?
2007-09-24T01:17:29  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: ah, þe olde days of yore!
2007-09-24T01:19:50  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: annotate?
2007-09-24T01:30:25  <ThomasWaldmann> -    hardspace = '&nbsp;' # XXX was: '&#160;', but that breaks utf-8
2007-09-24T01:30:47  <ThomasWaldmann> this what is was before &nbsp;
2007-09-24T01:36:25  <TheSheep> you can call it an improvement
2007-09-24T01:37:13  <TheSheep> maybe it comes from the days before css?
2007-09-24T01:37:18  <ThomasWaldmann> and I dont have history about the change before
2007-09-24T01:37:40  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe. we can try in 1.7 (not 1.6)
2007-09-24T01:42:08  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: so which days you mean exactly?
2007-09-24T01:46:24  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: nowrap collapses multiple spaces to one?
2007-09-24T01:47:41  <ThomasWaldmann> IE5 does not support nowrap, maybe this was an issue these days
2007-09-24T01:48:31  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: ah, probably
2007-09-24T01:48:44  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yes, it collapses lines, pre doesn't
2007-09-24T01:48:53  <TheSheep> s/lines/spaces
2007-09-24T01:48:56  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, maybe "pre" would be better
2007-09-24T01:49:10  <ThomasWaldmann> but IE 5.5 does not support pre
2007-09-24T01:49:17  <TheSheep> both supported and doesn't collapse spaces
2007-09-24T01:49:21  <TheSheep> ah
2007-09-24T01:49:36  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: then how does it implement <pre>?
2007-09-24T01:49:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i mean white-space:pre
2007-09-24T01:50:25  <ThomasWaldmann> but we dont care about ie5.5
2007-09-24T01:50:53  <TheSheep> yay \o/
2007-09-24T01:54:10  <ThomasWaldmann> Version 5.5 followed in July 2000, improving its print preview capabilities, CSS and HTML standards support, and developer APIs; this version was bundled with Windows Me. Version 5.5 also included support for 128-bit encryption.
2007-09-24T01:54:26  <ThomasWaldmann> (from WP)
2007-09-24T01:55:01  <ThomasWaldmann> WME sucked anyway.
2007-09-24T01:55:23  <TheSheep> CE ME NT
2007-09-24T02:07:15  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: days?
2007-09-24T02:07:37  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: oops
2007-09-24T02:07:40  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: 1.3
2007-09-24T02:08:49  <TheSheep> hm... MoinMoin generates HTML, not XHTML, so it should output <br>, not <br />
2007-09-24T02:08:56  <xorAxAx> yep
2007-09-24T02:14:57  <TheSheep> good night
2007-09-24T02:16:49  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: so we should use a char that breaks utf8 or what?
2007-09-24T02:21:56  <ThomasWaldmann> gn TheSheep
2007-09-24T08:17:38  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-09-24T11:11:41  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: was it like that in 1.3?
2007-09-24T11:11:52  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well, thats even worse, as TheSheep said
2007-09-24T11:39:44  <ThomasWaldmann> since pre-1.2 (maybe since ever?)
2007-09-24T11:41:08  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-09-24T14:57:04  <johill> hm. how close is the database abstraction to being usable?
2007-09-24T14:57:10  <johill> I again have a need for virtual pages
2007-09-24T15:48:07  <xorAxAx> its pretty usable
2007-09-24T15:48:20  <xorAxAx> known issues are documente
2007-09-24T15:48:20  <xorAxAx> d
2007-09-24T15:48:37  <xorAxAx> and the stuff that needs to be done before it can be merged
2007-09-24T16:26:36  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: the virtualpages hack is not in the storage branch, but using some special backend, you could get virtualpages by using that special backend
2007-09-24T16:27:23  <xorAxAx> i think that was his idea
2007-09-24T16:28:04  <johill> yup
2007-09-24T16:28:43  <ThomasWaldmann> that's cleaner anyway :)
2007-09-24T16:39:48  <grzywacz> hello
2007-09-24T16:40:43  <xorAxAx> hi my student
2007-09-24T16:40:59  <xorAxAx> how is poland these days?
2007-09-24T16:55:00  <dreimark> word and excel seems not to be able to paste formatted into the gui. I tried versions of 2003 may be too old.
2007-09-24T16:55:22  <dreimark> Does one have experience with an other version?
2007-09-24T18:38:20  <dreimark> bbl
2007-09-24T20:02:51  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-09-24T22:22:11  <xorAxAx> starshine: hi, are you up to date with our trip plans? :)
2007-09-24T22:22:44  <ThomasWaldmann> would be interesting to hear some insider comments :)
2007-09-24T22:39:33  <starshine> xorAxAx: last I hear you land exhausted and jetlagged on Friday?
2007-09-24T22:39:53  <xorAxAx> starshine: indeed. after that we will continue our tour: http://moinmo.in/MoinInternationalConference
2007-09-24T22:41:55  <starshine> ok
2007-09-24T22:42:13  <starshine> will you guys have a working local number for the states?
2007-09-24T22:42:43  <starshine> I have found that I can SMS intl but I cannot call intl from my cell.
2007-09-24T22:42:58  <xorAxAx> hm, not really, at least i dont
2007-09-24T22:43:16  <xorAxAx> i have a local sip number, though
2007-09-24T22:43:21  <xorAxAx> that i could try to get working
2007-09-24T22:43:34  <ThomasWaldmann> same for me, but my phone has a qwerty kbd :)
2007-09-24T22:43:35  <xorAxAx> i could route it to my cell phone
2007-09-24T22:43:49  <starshine> I'm just thinking, I have a midmorning thing to do, and you guys could tour the museum while I'm doing that
2007-09-24T22:44:34  <starshine> but then I'd want to call/contact you rather then head home to my skype setup :)
2007-09-24T22:44:44  <dreimark> a prepaid at&t card costs 15$
2007-09-24T22:44:58  <starshine> yeah but you have to have a phone to put it in.
2007-09-24T22:45:20  <starshine> pay phones are nowadays rare and also rarely undamaged.
2007-09-24T22:45:30  <dreimark> a cheap one is about 20$
2007-09-24T22:45:41  <xorAxAx> starshine: well, if i do this routing, it would be an american number
2007-09-24T22:45:46  <xorAxAx> (somewhere near NYC)
2007-09-24T22:46:26  <starshine> that'd be fine then :)
2007-09-24T22:47:03  <xorAxAx> but i would have to pay as the receiver
2007-09-24T22:47:19  <starshine> could run around with you all day SUnday if you like.  Hubby burns out easily on social stuff, so don't know if he'd join or not.
2007-09-24T22:49:14  <xorAxAx> starshine: sounds nice
2007-09-24T22:49:31  <dreimark> starshine: I ve seen those phones in a market in fresno
2007-09-24T22:50:24  <starshine> there is a *huge* outlet mall - that is, it's not only a giant mall, but all the stores are the outlet versions - in Gilroy.
2007-09-24T22:51:05  <xorAxAx> dreimark: AT&T is GSM?
2007-09-24T22:51:23  <xorAxAx> my mobile is triband
2007-09-24T22:51:39  <starshine> you'll find that GSM coverage here is really only in the cities..
2007-09-24T22:51:40  <dreimark> yeah then you should get such a card
2007-09-24T22:52:33  <dreimark> starshine is right, we have had problems in SaltLake City and Rexburg too
2007-09-24T22:52:36  <xorAxAx> starshine: yes, and online banking means advising the bank to send handwritten cheques
2007-09-24T22:52:45  <xorAxAx> well
2007-09-24T22:53:00  <xorAxAx> one could use e-mail assuming that there are enough free wifi stations in SF
2007-09-24T22:53:18  <xorAxAx> or text messaging
2007-09-24T22:53:28  <ThomasWaldmann> E61 UMTS-Quadband Handy - GSM (850/900/1.800/1.900 MHz) is any of those bands widespread in CA?
2007-09-24T22:53:42  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: 1900
2007-09-24T22:54:01  <xorAxAx> 850 is the new us band
2007-09-24T22:54:35  <xorAxAx> starshine: do you think that text messages are capable enough to schedule the meeting(s)? :)
2007-09-24T22:55:37  * ThomasWaldmann is better r/w then hear/speak
2007-09-24T22:57:58  <xorAxAx> starshine: do you mean this one? http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/outlet.asp?id=23
2007-09-24T22:59:06  <dreimark> btw. you could use the wiki
2007-09-24T22:59:32  <dreimark> wifi should be nearly everywhere
2007-09-24T23:00:36  <xorAxAx> dreimark: you dont need a wiki if its just 1:1
2007-09-24T23:02:45  <dreimark> its similiar to an answering machine
2007-09-24T23:04:00  <starshine> wifi is easy to find, but not quite as everywhere as you'd hope.
2007-09-24T23:04:14  <starshine> Check out the panera bread locations - their wifi is good and free.
2007-09-24T23:04:18  <starshine> <- meeting
2007-09-24T23:08:13  <dreimark> mcdonalds and lots of restaurants too
2007-09-24T23:08:49  <xorAxAx> for free?
2007-09-24T23:11:18  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem there might be that you must eat their stuff
2007-09-24T23:11:54  <johill> you could bring mentos
2007-09-24T23:11:57  <xorAxAx> not if you are in front of it
2007-09-24T23:12:05  <xorAxAx> johill: ?
2007-09-24T23:12:11  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: :D
2007-09-24T23:12:13  <johill> and get diet coke
2007-09-24T23:12:24  <xorAxAx> johill: i can also do that here
2007-09-24T23:12:29  * ThomasWaldmann is not good at running
2007-09-24T23:27:23  <dreimark> xorAxAx: for free you can have breakfast with internet
2007-09-24T23:27:46  <dreimark> often motels have free internet too
2007-09-24T23:27:58  <dreimark> and mostly its not encrypted
2007-09-24T23:36:44  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: a b or g?
2007-09-24T23:37:24  <xorAxAx> would be nice to know whether the us has more a nodes than you usually see in europe
2007-09-24T23:43:13  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: good question - not checked only used.
2007-09-24T23:44:42  <ThomasWaldmann> your notebook has "a"?
2007-09-24T23:44:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (5ghz)
2007-09-24T23:45:40  <xorAxAx> mine has "a"
2007-09-24T23:45:59  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then we have no problem
2007-09-24T23:46:02  <xorAxAx> was only 2 EUR more expensive when i bought my wifi card
2007-09-24T23:46:37  <dreimark> I have used the n770 it has b/g
2007-09-24T23:53:57  <ThomasWaldmann> Columbus Day Weekend Sale
2007-09-24T23:53:57  <ThomasWaldmann> Fri, Oct 5 - Mon, Oct 8
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2007-09-24T23:54:58  <xorAxAx> hehe