MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-17

2007-11-17T02:02:34  * ThomasWaldmann is through with all unconfirmed bugs
2007-11-17T02:02:56  <starshine> does that mean they're all confirmed?
2007-11-17T02:03:36  <ThomasWaldmann> no, it means that 23 CategoryEasy tasks exist now
2007-11-17T02:03:45  <starshine> hehe
2007-11-17T02:04:10  <ThomasWaldmann> for $SECRETPROJECT
2007-11-17T02:04:45  <starshine> code/supersecret = css ;P
2007-11-17T02:13:46  <ThomasWaldmann> css acronym is overused :D
2007-11-17T02:15:27  * starshine encrypts moin and stuffs it on a dvd to play with ;> 
2007-11-17T02:17:55  <ThomasWaldmann> try to find some pattern in the noise :D
2007-11-17T02:19:40  <starshine> pretty patterns hee hee hee
2007-11-17T02:19:49  <starshine> ok I'm going home, supper, then hacking.
2007-11-17T02:21:00  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/getPageTextFailsOnSomePres looks like we have some parser problem
2007-11-17T09:38:07  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-17T09:39:17  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: {{{#!wiki red/solid may be unified to {{{#!wiki red|solid  in 1.7?
2007-11-17T10:17:10  <dreimark> or can we point that as EasyToDo
2007-11-17T10:17:27  <dreimark> s/point/flag
2007-11-17T10:17:30  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-17T10:21:20  <dreimark> MoinMoinBugs/getPageTextFailsOnSomePres if its not such bad for us it sounds like a python challange.
2007-11-17T10:24:13  <dreimark> that page is a good reason to revert the nested {{{ changes and to use plain as fallback as we describe it
2007-11-17T10:24:36  <dreimark> so we have to find in the reverted one why plain is not called
2007-11-17T10:25:21  <dreimark> I will work on that this weekend
2007-11-17T12:01:23  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-17T14:53:45  * ThomasWaldmann looks through confirmed bugs
2007-11-17T15:25:48  * ThomasWaldmann is done and waiting for bulk importer input specs
2007-11-17T15:29:49  <ThomasWaldmann> if someone has time, it would be good to have a second opinion on the CategoryEasy task (whether they really ARE easy [see also the Task: spec they have] and whether there is stuff missing that could be also CategoryEasy or on EasyToDo)
2007-11-17T15:34:16  * xorAxAx sighs
2007-11-17T17:08:58  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: hi. http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/SubscribeUser should that be CategoryFeatureImplemented ?
2007-11-17T17:10:18  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am seeing checkboxes in the tiny frame that is shown the diff on the page --> XSS issue and very bad usability
2007-11-17T17:10:28  <xorAxAx> s/checkboxes/form elements/
2007-11-17T17:10:43  <xorAxAx> s/shown/& for/
2007-11-17T17:11:17  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: hi, thats different not yet implemented, we do have to know a user currently and dont have this list box
2007-11-17T17:13:01  <dreimark> but only admins can call this function, so we should disable it in the theme too (dependend on status of user)
2007-11-17T17:15:54  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: its not text plain broken its only not called.
2007-11-17T17:16:20  <xorAxAx> dreimark: what do you mean?
2007-11-17T17:16:40  <dreimark> FeatureRequests/TextPlainFormatterRewrite (first line)
2007-11-17T17:17:35  <dreimark> I recognized on Thu. or Fr. dont remember thats the fixing of nesting was bogus, the only thing I guess needs to be fixed to call text if one uses {{{
2007-11-17T17:19:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (please add comment on that page)
2007-11-17T17:19:43  <dreimark> I have not much time today because of birthday of one my sisters, but i do revert in the morning tommorrow my changes to the wikiparser
2007-11-17T17:25:21  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i have no idea of what XSS stuff you are talking
2007-11-17T17:26:29  <dreimark> have to leave, bb on sunday or late in the evening
2007-11-17T17:27:25  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: is it the transclusion of SubscribeUser.py.patch ? my browser does not show that because of a missing plugin for that mimetype.
2007-11-17T17:33:20  <grzywacz> moin
2007-11-17T17:35:14  <ThomasWaldmann> hi grzywacz
2007-11-17T17:44:15  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: if you have time to help, could you review CategoryEasy and EasyToDo?
2007-11-17T17:44:41  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, review?
2007-11-17T17:50:32  <ThomasWaldmann> == build your own opinion whether tasks are easy, improve it, add more details, ...
2007-11-17T17:54:23  <ThomasWaldmann> we also need some time estimate for the tasks [h]
2007-11-17T18:09:57  * ThomasWaldmann fixes inline comment regex
2007-11-17T18:10:50  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/FeatureRequests/TextPlainFormatterRewrite that will fix this page's rendering
2007-11-17T18:32:17  <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2342:affd315c3768 1.6/ (MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py docs/CHANGES): fixing inline comments (remarks) markup, require leading and trailing whitespace
2007-11-17T18:40:04  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes, and opera interprets it as html
2007-11-17T18:43:05  <ThomasWaldmann> interpreting a text/patch(?) object as html looks like a opera bug
2007-11-17T18:43:43  <xorAxAx> not sure
2007-11-17T19:02:23  <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.wikiwikiweb.de/ParserTesting
2007-11-17T19:02:31  <ThomasWaldmann> (see action=raw)
2007-11-17T19:58:33  <xorAxAx> 314963  French.zip
2007-11-17T19:58:33  <xorAxAx> 467114  EuropeanPortuguese.zip
2007-11-17T19:58:38  <xorAxAx> that large file is pretty suspect
2007-11-17T20:02:42  <xorAxAx> who wrote "we don't have a list of willing users and not much time left"?
2007-11-17T20:03:10  <xorAxAx> thats kind of missing the point IMHO :)
2007-11-17T20:03:22  <xorAxAx> because approaching the users would be one step of the task
2007-11-17T20:06:27  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: i cannot find your bug tracker idea on easytodo
2007-11-17T20:06:58  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: did you remove it?
2007-11-17T20:09:26  * xorAxAx feels like being in a kindergarden
2007-11-17T20:15:16  <TheSheep> isn't it kindergarten?
2007-11-17T20:15:46  <xorAxAx> no
2007-11-17T20:15:48  <xorAxAx> only in german
2007-11-17T20:15:55  <xorAxAx> kindergarden is the english term
2007-11-17T20:16:38  <TheSheep> Kindergarten
2007-11-17T20:16:38  <TheSheep> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2007-11-17T20:16:39  <TheSheep> (Redirected from Kindergarden)
2007-11-17T20:17:06  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-17T20:17:17  <TheSheep> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kindergarden
2007-11-17T20:17:32  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-11-17T20:26:40  <xorAxAx> hmm, i cant hide my sandboxing project
2007-11-17T20:36:33  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: a) me b) yes (see diff0
2007-11-17T20:38:26  <xorAxAx> any particular reason to express disagreement by removing contents from a wikipage?
2007-11-17T20:38:43  <ThomasWaldmann> see the diff
2007-11-17T20:40:32  <xorAxAx> the diff shows that the line was gone in one of the 20 revs
2007-11-17T20:40:43  <xorAxAx> that succeeded the edit by karol
2007-11-17T20:44:06  <ThomasWaldmann> i did a quick check, the european portuguese shows nothing suspicious
2007-11-17T20:49:24  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: that "willing users" can be a problem as you need to find some or the task will be non-existing
2007-11-17T20:49:54  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ?
2007-11-17T20:50:00  <ThomasWaldmann> and "collection stuff from them" would mean much work being done by those "willing users", not by the one doing the task.
2007-11-17T20:50:01  <xorAxAx> we all know that there are users
2007-11-17T20:50:18  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am imagining a phone/email interview
2007-11-17T20:50:34  <xorAxAx> and our person writing a text based on the information
2007-11-17T20:51:40  <ThomasWaldmann> well, add that to the wiki page
2007-11-17T20:51:51  <ThomasWaldmann> I was assuming email.
2007-11-17T20:52:44  <xorAxAx> so, i still havent figured out whats so bad about the bugtracker task
2007-11-17T20:53:29  <ThomasWaldmann> we didnt need trac until now and just used moin for it. so i dont see the point why we should generate a task out of that.
2007-11-17T20:54:12  <xorAxAx> well, i certainly have the need for some advanced features like more ways of classification
2007-11-17T20:54:22  <xorAxAx> like we had once
2007-11-17T20:54:27  <xorAxAx> at least partially
2007-11-17T20:55:03  <xorAxAx> in trac its much easier to see what kind of bugs are there and when they need to be fixed
2007-11-17T20:55:36  <xorAxAx> its making life a lot easier ... and by disabling the wiki in the trac, you dont confuse people either
2007-11-17T20:55:38  <ThomasWaldmann> our problem with bugs is not in the bug tracker, but in not enough people fixing bugs
2007-11-17T20:55:56  <xorAxAx> in certain cases, the bug tracker is one of the reasons for the latter cause
2007-11-17T20:56:28  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, "in certain"
2007-11-17T20:57:33  <xorAxAx> also one of your assumption was "most bugs are either minor or need user feedback" cant be backed up by my impressions of the current task list
2007-11-17T20:58:06  <xorAxAx> which lets me conclude that losing overview over a linear list of a lot of tracker items with no other means of classification is pretty much expected
2007-11-17T20:58:47  <ThomasWaldmann> how about working on something we need, like a bulk importer?
2007-11-17T20:59:07  <xorAxAx> bulk importer of what to what?
2007-11-17T20:59:39  <xorAxAx> well, i am currently working on the contents, the importer itself is trivial
2007-11-17T20:59:45  <ThomasWaldmann> the thing you wanted to have ready by now
2007-11-17T20:59:57  <xorAxAx> never said that it should be ready by now :)
2007-11-17T21:00:19  <ThomasWaldmann> shall I grep the logs where you said saturday, evening?
2007-11-17T21:00:39  <xorAxAx> i said the end of saturday
2007-11-17T21:00:44  <xorAxAx> 3 hours to go
2007-11-17T21:01:37  <ThomasWaldmann> well, would be a good idea to work on it nevertheless
2007-11-17T21:02:10  <xorAxAx> and a bad idea to stop a discussion
2007-11-17T21:02:35  <ThomasWaldmann> priorities :)
2007-11-17T22:30:11  <grzywacz> silly
2007-11-17T22:48:54  <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2344:058e796f3057 1.6/ (MoinMoin/request/__init__.py docs/CHANGES): use x-forwarded-for to get right remote_addr if a proxy is used
2007-11-17T23:40:29  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: why doesnt sre.match(r".*$^ Summary:: (.*)$.*^ Count:: (.*)$.*^ Label:: (.*)", s) match our template?
2007-11-17T23:40:53  <xorAxAx> not even with M
2007-11-17T23:50:39  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just try multiple, simpler REs
2007-11-17T23:51:52  <xorAxAx> umm