MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-20

2007-11-20T05:16:20  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-20T09:20:17  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-20T10:01:07  <grzybacz> woot
2007-11-20T10:01:41  <grzybacz> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/JabberBotRefactoring
2007-11-20T10:03:11  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: the short description should include estimated time and necessary resources
2007-11-20T10:05:42  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: resources as in..? Libraries? Tools?
2007-11-20T10:05:55  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-20T10:06:14  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: yes, link to pages explaining on how to set it up
2007-11-20T10:06:36  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: in short one? Ok.
2007-11-20T10:07:29  <xorAxAx> well, some help page should say how it works because every user needs to know it
2007-11-20T10:07:33  <xorAxAx> i hope that it exists
2007-11-20T10:08:02  <grzybacz> What? Setting up the notification bot? Yes, there's a page.
2007-11-20T10:08:57  <xorAxAx> good :)
2007-11-20T10:09:02  <xorAxAx> that could be linked
2007-11-20T10:09:15  <xorAxAx> and you need to say that working on the 1.7 branch is necessary
2007-11-20T10:10:24  <grzybacz> Hm, I don't know how troublesome setting up the notification bot is on windows.
2007-11-20T10:10:32  <grzybacz> That actually might be a separate task.
2007-11-20T10:10:49  <grzybacz> Figure out what may be  a problem on windows, write a page explaining the process.
2007-11-20T10:12:22  <xorAxAx> good idea
2007-11-20T10:12:26  <xorAxAx> the label is "research"
2007-11-20T10:12:37  <grzybacz> ok
2007-11-20T10:15:17  <grzybacz> 3 days is max, right?
2007-11-20T10:17:13  <xorAxAx> 2-5
2007-11-20T10:17:27  <xorAxAx> somebody said something about 4 weeks in a secret irc channel
2007-11-20T10:18:56  <grzybacz> 4 weeks? O_o;
2007-11-20T10:20:42  <xorAxAx> 05:32:33 < Elinjoomla> my impression is --and i don't know where this comes from--that the task is supposed to take about 8 hours to do, but that doesn't mean the time limit has to be 2 days
2007-11-20T10:20:46  <xorAxAx> 05:32:45 < Elinjoomla> we set our time limites to 2 weeks or 4 weeks
2007-11-20T10:21:03  <xorAxAx> well, 4 weeks wall clock time and 8 hours work load
2007-11-20T10:22:28  <grzybacz> oh, well...
2007-11-20T10:22:40  <grzybacz> ;s
2007-11-20T10:23:28  <grzybacz> Next page added.
2007-11-20T10:23:42  <xorAxAx> well, i think we can be pretty relaxed on the wall clock time part, but 4 weeks sounds a bit too much if we want to reassign a task
2007-11-20T10:25:15  <grzybacz> xep-0115 can be split into a few tasks rather easily
2007-11-20T10:25:26  <grzybacz> A few hours per each.
2007-11-20T10:26:40  <grzybacz> Proper generation of the ver-sion string, handling of presence stanzas with a <c> child, sending presence stanzas with proper <c> child
2007-11-20T10:27:01  <grzybacz> Some expertise with pyxmpp and xmpp in general will be needed.
2007-11-20T10:27:13  <grzybacz> These are small tasks, but may require some learning. ;)
2007-11-20T10:27:44  <grzybacz> So, I can add a task with these 3 steps if you don't mind.
2007-11-20T10:28:24  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: hmm
2007-11-20T10:29:41  <grzybacz> They are independent.
2007-11-20T10:30:13  <xorAxAx> you need one task page per task
2007-11-20T10:30:25  <grzybacz> No problem.
2007-11-20T10:31:58  <xorAxAx> well, one could do a count=3 task with a description saying "look at the summary which one of these tasks you are doing"
2007-11-20T10:32:03  <xorAxAx> but thats highly confusing
2007-11-20T10:34:02  <grzybacz> I can write 3 tasks, not a problem.
2007-11-20T11:28:24  <grzybacz> hm, broken network
2007-11-20T11:30:56  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: I assume that it will be possible to alter the long description later on?
2007-11-20T11:32:10  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: in the wiki? yes
2007-11-20T11:32:17  <grzybacz> Good.
2007-11-20T11:32:23  <xorAxAx> but the short description must be long enough to nail down the exact task
2007-11-20T11:32:29  <xorAxAx> for legal reasons
2007-11-20T11:32:36  <grzybacz> ACK
2007-11-20T11:34:53  <grzybacz> Anyway, when is it going to be announced?
2007-11-20T11:37:26  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: i dont know what you are talking about :)
2007-11-20T11:43:45  <grzybacz> blah, wrong channel :)
2007-11-20T13:38:45  <ThomasWaldmann> grzybacz: easytodo work amount stuff was given in work-hours
2007-11-20T13:39:10  <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe we should also add a calendar days deadline)
2007-11-20T13:39:30  <ThomasWaldmann> but giving the workload by "a few days" is very interpretable...
2007-11-20T13:40:08  <ThomasWaldmann> that can be 2*1h (if you have not much freetime) or 5*10h ...
2007-11-20T16:22:50  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-20T17:04:23  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, commercial translators demand about 0.1 EUR per word for en to xx translation (me just got some spam from a translation bureau)
2007-11-20T17:05:02  <johill> heh
2007-11-20T17:43:30  <johill> we just don't get enough attention
2007-11-20T17:43:30  <johill> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/advisories/wordpress-cookie-auth.txt
2007-11-20T18:59:19  <xorAxAx> i think we should spend the next time to optimise the tasks that are already there
2007-11-20T19:01:07  <xorAxAx> and let them comply with googles rules
2007-11-20T19:01:11  <xorAxAx> oops
2007-11-20T20:20:40  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2007-11-20T20:20:57  <grzywacz> moin
2007-11-20T20:25:07  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2007-11-20T20:25:48  * grzywacz slaps ThomasWaldmann around a bit with a large trout
2007-11-20T20:26:21  * ThomasWaldmann is on meeting
2007-11-20T20:26:43  <grzywacz> Trout > ping
2007-11-20T20:26:44  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you want to explain our status?
2007-11-20T20:31:16  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: have you finally seen the issue that lh talked about earlier?
2007-11-20T20:35:47  * ThomasWaldmann fixed the project page
2007-11-20T20:35:59  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: you need to be more concrete
2007-11-20T20:36:08  <ThomasWaldmann> or wait
2007-11-20T20:37:47  <xorAxAx> oh well, i highlighted you on #sockhoppers
2007-11-20T20:37:51  <xorAxAx> please scroll up
2007-11-20T20:42:08  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:  -> 18:56:22
2007-11-20T20:43:16  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: it is a wiki, you may also edit stuff
2007-11-20T20:43:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you changed my pages to the broken style again
2007-11-20T20:43:52  * ThomasWaldmann dislikes doing most stuff alone
2007-11-20T20:44:07  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: we do not need to create new issue pages currently
2007-11-20T20:44:21  <xorAxAx> there is enough stuff lying around. that needs to be made pushable
2007-11-20T20:44:43  <xorAxAx> and i will continue fixing the stuff and would like to see the problematic stuff reverted/corrected again
2007-11-20T20:47:58  <dreimark> xorAxAx: can we start with 50 and extend it later ?
2007-11-20T20:48:30  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, thats the idea
2007-11-20T20:49:05  <dreimark> sounds good
2007-11-20T20:49:06  <xorAxAx> but we already have more than 50
2007-11-20T20:52:24  * xorAxAx will prepare the further info page tomorrow
2007-11-20T21:19:41  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: please think about whether you need another config variable
2007-11-20T21:19:59  <ThomasWaldmann> (mail_attachment_changes)
2007-11-20T21:20:36  <dreimark> I know, preferable it should be done in UserPreferences.
2007-11-20T21:20:56  <ThomasWaldmann> or not at all
2007-11-20T21:21:21  <ThomasWaldmann> if someone is interested in page changes, that likely applies to attachment changes also
2007-11-20T21:22:08  <ThomasWaldmann> (and it would be nice to have a plan how to do that later, when attachments are subitems)
2007-11-20T21:23:36  <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe some notification for item and subitems would be nice)
2007-11-20T21:24:29  <dreimark> yes
2007-11-20T22:15:18  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-20T23:11:51  <grzywacz> ?
2007-11-20T23:11:58  <grzywacz> What is dreimark doing?
2007-11-20T23:54:41  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: hmm?