MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-27

2007-11-27T15:13:12  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: ping
2007-11-27T18:42:12  <dreimark> min
2007-11-27T18:42:14  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-27T18:42:25  <xorAxAx> T-10:48
2007-11-27T19:15:18  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-27T19:46:13  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-27T20:59:18  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2370:8aad08ed55e7 1.6/MoinMoin/ (action/diff.py util/diff_html.py): cosmetical fix for empty diff display
2007-11-27T20:59:20  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2371:25b043f96c4f 1.6/MoinMoin/request/__init__.py: do not treat SystemExit exception as a failure (fixes SystemExit showing up in the logs when using fastcgi)
2007-11-27T21:02:35  <grzywacz> moin
2007-11-27T21:02:50  <dreimark> moinmoin
2007-11-27T21:03:06  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: ping
2007-11-27T21:04:48  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, pong
2007-11-27T21:06:20  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: hi :) how should we deal with the  jabber easy item pages?
2007-11-27T21:07:24  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, what do you mean?
2007-11-27T21:07:53  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: EasyToDo/* contains many pages created by you
2007-11-27T21:08:03  <xorAxAx> all of them lack information and werent imported
2007-11-27T21:08:18  <xorAxAx> as i said last time here ...
2007-11-27T21:09:58  <xorAxAx> as this will go public in less than 8:30 hours, you should decide
2007-11-27T21:10:23  <grzywacz> Well...
2007-11-27T21:10:29  <grzywacz> And what do you expect? :)
2007-11-27T21:11:55  <starshine> add enough info to make them resolvable, or subtract them from alleged easy status ?
2007-11-27T21:12:03  <grzywacz> I mean... I can improve them to meet the required standards.
2007-11-27T21:12:19  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: they are missing the time estimates
2007-11-27T21:12:27  <xorAxAx> as the wiki pages say
2007-11-27T21:12:48  <grzywacz> Nah, they have it mixed in the long desc. Let me move it to the short desc.
2007-11-27T21:13:46  <xorAxAx> the short one must contain everything that defines the task+deliverables clearly
2007-11-27T21:13:46  <grzywacz> (#@%!(#&%!! my ISP thinks I didn't pay them for the internet and every couple of pages I get their reminder...
2007-11-27T21:13:52  <grzywacz> Yays for transparent proxies.
2007-11-27T21:14:02  <xorAxAx> and the time estimate ...
2007-11-27T21:14:13  <vpv> btw, what is this thing you're planning and waiting for?
2007-11-27T21:14:26  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: use the socks tunnel feature of ssh
2007-11-27T21:14:29  <grzywacz> The task and deliverables should be ok. I admit that time estimate is not there
2007-11-27T21:14:35  <xorAxAx> vpv: i would have to kill you if i said it
2007-11-27T21:14:51  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: yes, indeed. also it helps if you subscribe to it
2007-11-27T21:15:00  <xorAxAx> (in case of people editing it with questions)
2007-11-27T21:15:01  <grzywacz> Ah, yes. That would help. ;)
2007-11-27T21:15:26  <xorAxAx> vpv: you will know tomorrow
2007-11-27T21:16:04  <vpv> ok, mysterious ;)
2007-11-27T21:17:17  <xorAxAx> large forces lay upon us and it is not the italian mafia
2007-11-27T21:17:33  <xorAxAx> or the spanish inquisition even
2007-11-27T21:17:45  * starshine plots the moindoodle for moin enigma ;P
2007-11-27T21:18:08  <xorAxAx> neither is it wiki war III
2007-11-27T21:18:23  <starshine> that's good, it's harder to cram into a doodle.
2007-11-27T21:28:49  <TheSheep> wikipedia is going to switch to moin ;)
2007-11-27T21:29:39  <xorAxAx> nah, its more sustainable than that
2007-11-27T21:30:01  <dreimark> TheSheep: you do joking or
2007-11-27T21:31:06  <TheSheep> dreimark: I just said the least plausible thing I could think of :)
2007-11-27T21:31:29  <dreimark> ah ok, just wait till tomorrow
2007-11-27T21:33:48  <xorAxAx> nobody is joking here
2007-11-27T21:34:04  * TheSheep patiently waits 2.5h
2007-11-27T21:35:00  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I am
2007-11-27T21:37:27  <dreimark> btw. can we change in wikiconfig moinmoin_dir to moinmoin_dir = os.getcwd() ?
2007-11-27T21:38:59  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: 7:52 min. left
2007-11-27T21:39:07  <xorAxAx> s/min/h/
2007-11-27T21:39:12  <TheSheep> bah
2007-11-27T21:39:33  * TheSheep stops holding his breath
2007-11-27T21:40:07  <grzywacz> Only 7:52 and you resign? Schade. ;)
2007-11-27T21:41:53  <dreimark> Rebecca has written lots of comments to my chapter, and I have started to implement them
2007-11-27T21:42:18  <xorAxAx> dreimark: oh,which chapter again?
2007-11-27T21:42:32  <dreimark> the chapter about MoinMoin
2007-11-27T21:42:59  <xorAxAx> ah, ok
2007-11-27T21:43:21  * xorAxAx asks her how she likes reimars german :)
2007-11-27T21:44:18  <grzywacz> O_o;
2007-11-27T21:44:52  <xorAxAx> dreimark: and the book is about wikis? or python?
2007-11-27T21:45:20  <grzywacz> I'm wondering myself...
2007-11-27T21:46:10  <dreimark> about python for beginners and three projects
2007-11-27T21:46:18  <dreimark> grok, plone and moinmoin
2007-11-27T21:46:22  <dreimark> and all is in german
2007-11-27T21:46:28  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-11-27T21:46:53  <xorAxAx> dreimark: can you get us rezensionsexemplare or something like that?
2007-11-27T21:47:41  <dreimark> I have asked already for that, and HHRZ Hannover has agreed to publish it on our wiki too
2007-11-27T21:47:49  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-11-27T21:48:14  <dreimark> the MM part
2007-11-27T21:48:30  <grzywacz> ;]]]]
2007-11-27T21:49:52  <TheSheep> and then we can translate it to polish, from polish to esperanto, from esperanto to japanese, from japanese to chinese and then there is a straightforward way to english
2007-11-27T21:50:18  <grzywacz> TheSheep, typical.
2007-11-27T21:50:18  <grzywacz> ;]
2007-11-27T21:50:33  <grzywacz> Hundo estas bona besto!
2007-11-27T21:50:41  <grzywacz> II desu ne?
2007-11-27T21:50:42  <TheSheep> except that all the code examples will have to be revritten to perl for esperanto and to ruby for japanese
2007-11-27T21:50:49  <grzywacz> I got two languages covered.
2007-11-27T21:51:06  <grzywacz> ;]]]]]
2007-11-27T21:51:23  <xorAxAx> why perl for esperanto?
2007-11-27T21:51:24  <TheSheep> english version may end up in C++
2007-11-27T21:51:30  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: why not?
2007-11-27T21:51:36  <xorAxAx> i havent perceived esparanto speakers as sadists :)
2007-11-27T21:51:48  <grzywacz> Yeah, why perl?
2007-11-27T21:51:53  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: that's to balance their paceful nature :)
2007-11-27T21:51:58  <xorAxAx> hah
2007-11-27T21:52:00  <grzywacz> More like... whitespace!
2007-11-27T21:52:17  <TheSheep> grzywacz: oh, that'd be environment-friendly
2007-11-27T21:52:29  <TheSheep> grzywacz: you could recycle the paper
2007-11-27T21:52:47  <TheSheep> grzywacz: or just have one empty page as appendix and send there to all the code sample
2007-11-27T21:52:57  <TheSheep> fr
2007-11-27T21:52:58  <TheSheep> fpr
2007-11-27T21:53:00  <grzywacz> Indeed.
2007-11-27T21:53:00  <TheSheep> for
2007-11-27T21:53:08  <grzywacz> TheSheep, get some sleep. :D
2007-11-27T21:53:18  <TheSheep> grzywacz: I just woke up
2007-11-27T21:53:44  <grzywacz> TheSheep, that explains it, sorry.
2007-11-27T21:53:54  <xorAxAx> drink some coffee :)
2007-11-27T21:54:07  * TheSheep drinks beer :P
2007-11-27T21:54:19  <TheSheep> I don't like to mix it with coffee
2007-11-27T21:54:29  <TheSheep> somehow
2007-11-27T21:55:38  <TheSheep> I wonder how would caffeinated beer work...
2007-11-27T21:55:52  * grzywacz steps back
2007-11-27T21:56:51  <dreimark> hmm, similiar as kosaken coffee
2007-11-27T21:57:16  <dreimark>  caffeinated wine
2007-11-27T21:58:02  <TheSheep> there are coffe liquors out there...
2007-11-27T21:58:34  <TheSheep> still, cognac seems more apropriate
2007-11-27T21:59:32  * TheSheep writes a fascgi adapter for hgweb
2007-11-27T22:18:06  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: dont you think that 3 days is a bit short?
2007-11-27T22:18:44  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: esp. if you are so seldomly online like in the last days ... imagine him blocked for 3 days because he is waiting for an answer :)
2007-11-27T22:23:56  <dreimark> may be discuss this on sh
2007-11-27T22:40:23  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2372:06e53cd4d2dc 1.6/MoinMoin/formatter/text_docbook.py: fix attachment_link of docbook formatter
2007-11-27T23:03:03  * xorAxAx creates new easytodo pages
2007-11-27T23:16:34  <xorAxAx> how do you like ?
2007-11-27T23:16:36  <xorAxAx> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/DesignNewIconset
2007-11-27T23:21:10  <dreimark> !UserInterface
2007-11-27T23:22:15  <dreimark> cool
2007-11-27T23:23:09  <xorAxAx> no, not !UserInterface
2007-11-27T23:23:23  <dreimark> I recognized it after I did the mistake
2007-11-27T23:27:01  <ThomasWaldmann> the icons should meet some criteria
2007-11-27T23:27:49  <xorAxAx> write them down :)
2007-11-27T23:31:57  * ThomasWaldmann thought they are already written down on the wiki, but cant find them
2007-11-27T23:35:01  <starshine> I know this sounds silly but, who gets to make sure they are really new icons?
2007-11-27T23:35:36  <xorAxAx> starshine: they dont need to be new, see the page :)
2007-11-27T23:36:35  <starshine> ok. close to the same though.  they'll have to be checked to see that they don't have incompatible origins
2007-11-27T23:37:06  <starshine> the doing part is easy, the checking up on it may be less so :)
2007-11-27T23:43:29  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, added some criteria
2007-11-27T23:48:33  <ThomasWaldmann> Think-aloud is interesting, but maybe not very useful to us.
2007-11-27T23:49:23  <xorAxAx> why not?
2007-11-27T23:49:50  <xorAxAx> of course somebody has to implement the ideas
2007-11-27T23:50:03  <ThomasWaldmann> because we already know some usability problems,
2007-11-27T23:50:26  <xorAxAx> yes, this will allow us to prioritise those
2007-11-27T23:50:32  <ThomasWaldmann> but we dont have resources to fix them near time
2007-11-27T23:50:40  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: on theme market
2007-11-27T23:50:52  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: the icon criteria
2007-11-27T23:51:01  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I remember I had a discussion with Nir
2007-11-27T23:54:14  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: where exactly?
2007-11-27T23:54:52  <TheSheep> ah, sorry
2007-11-27T23:54:58  <TheSheep> some guidelines are on http://moinmo.in/MoinHumanInterfaceGuidelines
2007-11-27T23:56:22  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: seems my discussion is gone
2007-11-27T23:56:27  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: and my icons too
2007-11-27T23:56:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, but not what i meant
2007-11-27T23:56:56  <TheSheep> http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/ThemeResources
2007-11-27T23:56:58  <TheSheep> here
2007-11-27T23:57:20  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: is that linked from helponthemes and moindev/theme*? if not, please do so :)
2007-11-27T23:57:36  <xorAxAx> also add that page link to the long description of the item page if you feel like it
2007-11-27T23:57:49  <starshine> ubuntu people put fresh icon set in Balanced theme.
2007-11-27T23:58:54  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: what's "long description of the item page"?