MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-29

2007-11-29T00:10:22  <starshine> dreimark: ping2
2007-11-29T00:10:39  <starshine> for me it's midafternoon, so fine unless I'm in a meeting
2007-11-29T00:11:47  <dreimark> starshine: ahm here its midnight. Did you've seen my email about using one of the images from a theme on ThemeMarket?
2007-11-29T00:12:06  <dreimark> it is
2007-11-29T00:13:25  <veerz> For me its 00:13 so good night
2007-11-29T00:13:46  <dreimark> gn veerz
2007-11-29T00:13:50  <xorAxAx> good night veerz
2007-11-29T00:13:57  <veerz> thanks :)
2007-11-29T00:13:58  <xorAxAx> spread the word
2007-11-29T00:14:44  <veerz> xorAxAx, I've already tried to motivate my friends to take part at the "Swiss Olympiad in Informatics".
2007-11-29T00:15:13  <veerz> A pretty frustrating experience
2007-11-29T00:15:25  <xorAxAx> this one is more fun :)
2007-11-29T00:15:31  <xorAxAx> less boring tasks i presume :)
2007-11-29T00:16:18  <veerz> The soi tasks aren't that bad either, but I'll try :)
2007-11-29T00:16:28  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-11-29T00:23:46  <starshine> dreimark: nah, I don't read personal mail at work unless I'm expecting something specific, it's a big time sink :)
2007-11-29T00:25:09  <dreimark> it was about if I can use one of the images on Theme Market "by courtesy of Heather Stern"
2007-11-29T00:25:38  <dreimark> I like to show different themes in that chapter as last page
2007-11-29T00:25:49  <dreimark> starshine:
2007-11-29T00:37:21  <starshine> squeek :)
2007-11-29T00:37:53  <starshine> dreimark: yes, I grant permission to use any of my moin doodles or images for moin :)
2007-11-29T00:38:26  <dreimark> Thanks! :)
2007-11-29T00:38:35  <starshine> and either of the screenshots of a theme are welcome to be shown as examples of a theme, too.
2007-11-29T00:40:02  <starshine> the woman with the starship in front of her if you want that seperate, I can give it to you, but it's the logo of my SFI chapter so we'd enjoy a backlink or reference, and our visible site doesn't use a moin, I just used it to show a bigger logo possibility
2007-11-29T00:40:37  <starshine> you could use star-moin already, it sits in contribs/ :)
2007-11-29T00:51:47  <dreimark> starshine: I like to show classic_dark.jpg. It is to give people an idea that a wiki could have a different look.
2007-11-29T01:03:43  <dreimark> good night
2007-11-29T01:50:58  <starshine> :)
2007-11-29T09:36:25  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-29T09:50:23  <dreimark> did one have thought about a special price for the one claiming and finishing an issue?
2007-11-29T09:55:27  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-29T09:55:35  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: special price?
2007-11-29T09:56:07  <ThomasWaldmann> like a free copy of moin? :D
2007-11-29T09:56:19  <dreimark> yeah
2007-11-29T09:58:55  <dreimark> how can I save a  comment I did on the issues list ?
2007-11-29T09:59:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: xorAxAx ?
2007-11-29T10:01:59  <dreimark> did one see somewhere in german something about ghopc ?
2007-11-29T10:10:00  <xorAxAx> press the save button? :)
2007-11-29T10:10:04  <xorAxAx> you need javascript
2007-11-29T10:13:13  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i notified heise, but they still havent put it onto the newsticker
2007-11-29T10:13:50  <dreimark> xorAxAx: javascript is enabled but no save button
2007-11-29T10:17:22  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2007-11-29T10:17:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: we need emailimport for the tracker mails
2007-11-29T10:17:58  <grzybacz> moin
2007-11-29T10:19:52  <dreimark> xorAxAx: seems to be fixed now
2007-11-29T10:20:21  <dreimark> and you did the same comment I wanted to give
2007-11-29T10:20:37  <dreimark> Could it be that same time editing is blocked ?
2007-11-29T10:22:23  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2007-11-29T10:22:35  <ThomasWaldmann> because I also added that comment X)
2007-11-29T10:23:05  <dreimark> ok
2007-11-29T10:23:24  <dreimark> lets wait for the next time
2007-11-29T10:25:24  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: so do you want to set it up?
2007-11-29T10:25:29  <xorAxAx> or should we do it differently
2007-11-29T10:25:42  <xorAxAx> i dont want to handle the whole load, nobody of you has handled a single case yet
2007-11-29T10:26:03  <grzybacz> hi xorAxAx
2007-11-29T10:26:08  <xorAxAx> moin grzybacz
2007-11-29T10:32:49  <xorAxAx> so because thomas doesnt answer, how about a google group (i.e. mailinglist) that distributes the mails?
2007-11-29T10:34:30  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: you are too fast :)
2007-11-29T10:34:34  <dreimark> xorAxAx: I will handle tasks too. I must say I am surprised how fast they are claimed. #
2007-11-29T10:35:19  <xorAxAx> yes, kinda fast
2007-11-29T10:35:35  <xorAxAx> cpython already extrapolated that they will have issues claimed in 2 weeks
2007-11-29T10:35:47  <xorAxAx> and they got an increase from 102 to 200 slots
2007-11-29T10:36:12  <dreimark> :)
2007-11-29T10:45:20  <grzybacz> O_o
2007-11-29T10:48:16  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, I also subscribed to all issues. and I guess i will just annouce /me <issue-number> when I am processing one.
2007-11-29T10:49:52  <xorAxAx> so you dont want to setup email import?
2007-11-29T10:50:02  <ThomasWaldmann> for what?
2007-11-29T10:50:03  <xorAxAx> then grzybacz and dreimark should subscribe manually as well
2007-11-29T10:50:11  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: to distribute the change notifications
2007-11-29T10:50:21  <ThomasWaldmann> google can do that
2007-11-29T10:50:30  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: are you subscribed to the jabber tasks?
2007-11-29T10:53:15  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: did you try float left?
2007-11-29T10:54:01  <xorAxAx> doesnt make much sense :)
2007-11-29T10:54:14  <xorAxAx> you would need to float the wiki text
2007-11-29T10:57:32  <dreimark> xorAxAx: I have subscribed all issues too
2007-11-29T10:57:42  <dreimark> yesterday already
2007-11-29T10:59:47  <xorAxAx> so you saw the students from the night?
2007-11-29T10:59:51  <xorAxAx> the 4 ones
2007-11-29T11:00:05  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: I think so, yes.
2007-11-29T11:00:19  <grzybacz> hm
2007-11-29T11:00:31  <grzybacz> I wonder which email acount gets those, ...
2007-11-29T11:00:47  <grzybacz> s/those/these/
2007-11-29T11:01:02  <xorAxAx> the one in the upper right
2007-11-29T11:29:24  <grzybacz> ?
2007-11-29T11:35:22  <xorAxAx> well, you are logged in with an emailaddress
2007-11-29T11:35:28  <xorAxAx> which is shown in the upper right corner
2007-11-29T12:43:32  <xorAxAx> grzybacz --> #moin
2007-11-29T12:43:40  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: a student has jabber questions
2007-11-29T14:07:34  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 57
2007-11-29T14:08:58  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 69
2007-11-29T14:15:55  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 57
2007-11-29T14:16:04  <dreimark> hehe 57 me too.
2007-11-29T14:16:16  <dreimark> waiting now for ThomasWaldmann
2007-11-29T14:16:17  <ThomasWaldmann> Update Collision
2007-11-29T14:17:09  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i redo the status change.
2007-11-29T14:17:44  <dreimark> ok, arrgh that system has no notification system
2007-11-29T14:18:23  <ThomasWaldmann> google code is somewhat slow :)
2007-11-29T14:19:03  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 28
2007-11-29T14:24:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: "notification system"?
2007-11-29T14:27:23  <xorAxAx> 57 and 28 are waiting for a claim ack
2007-11-29T14:27:27  <xorAxAx> who wants to do that?
2007-11-29T14:35:35  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 57
2007-11-29T14:36:07  <dreimark> xorAxAx: duplicated edits
2007-11-29T14:37:15  <dreimark> currently my brain is a bit overloaded of concurrent tasks - and headache
2007-11-29T14:40:31  <dreimark> google error
2007-11-29T14:40:37  <xorAxAx> dreimark: hmm?
2007-11-29T14:40:50  <dreimark> I get a 502
2007-11-29T14:41:02  <xorAxAx> for which page?
2007-11-29T14:42:21  <dreimark> my mistake, http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail
2007-11-29T14:42:54  <xorAxAx> issue number? well, thomas introduced the locking procedure here
2007-11-29T14:43:04  <xorAxAx> so i dont see how you could have problems if you check irc first
2007-11-29T14:45:12  <dreimark> I started to edit first and was slower in typing as ThomasWaldmann because I get distracted by a phone call
2007-11-29T14:45:29  <xorAxAx> dreimark: but you didnt announce it here
2007-11-29T14:45:35  <xorAxAx> so you violated the locking protocol :)
2007-11-29T14:46:01  <dreimark> yeah I know this now too, We should have this automated
2007-11-29T14:47:34  <dreimark> additional to email it would be nice to get a message here too
2007-11-29T14:48:19  <xorAxAx> i dont see the advantage
2007-11-29T14:49:41  <dreimark> I dislike switching between email and irc
2007-11-29T14:50:35  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-29T15:22:00  <dreimark> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/12038.html
2007-11-29T15:22:19  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 87
2007-11-29T15:42:27  <dreimark> grzybacz: please check the notification bot issue, if its easy to fix.
2007-11-29T15:44:08  <dreimark> if the issue is not solveable the student is blocked, we have to think if we give him the possibility to claim another task
2007-11-29T16:13:51  <dreimark> comments issue 84
2007-11-29T16:18:45  <dreimark> xorAxAx: ThomasWaldmann how can I remove the claiming of 84
2007-11-29T16:21:21  <dreimark> ah learned
2007-11-29T16:28:49  <dreimark> has commented 40
2007-11-29T16:49:25  <dreimark> grzywacz: issue 84 shows problems with the notification bot
2007-11-29T16:49:36  <grzywacz> dreimark, ?
2007-11-29T16:50:02  <dreimark> do you have access to grzybacz too ?
2007-11-29T16:50:26  <grzywacz> hm
2007-11-29T16:51:58  <grzywacz> ok
2007-11-29T16:52:05  <grzywacz> Who is florenzi?
2007-11-29T16:52:46  <dreimark> cb22 on #moin
2007-11-29T16:53:07  <grzywacz> ok
2007-11-29T16:53:44  <dreimark> grzywacz: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/13036/
2007-11-29T16:54:24  <grzywacz> Weird, this should be fixed already.
2007-11-29T16:54:29  <grzywacz> Anyway, this is a one-time error.
2007-11-29T16:54:45  <grzywacz> This is not a blocker.
2007-11-29T16:55:11  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: write a test maybe ...
2007-11-29T16:55:28  <grzywacz> And a fix.
2007-11-29T16:55:30  <grzywacz> 8)
2007-11-29T16:55:37  <xorAxAx> first a tet
2007-11-29T16:55:39  <xorAxAx> test
2007-11-29T16:55:51  <dreimark> grzywacz: and a comment on the issue afterwards
2007-11-29T16:57:11  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we maybe should have a standard wording for "<name>, you got that task"
2007-11-29T16:57:56  <ThomasWaldmann> (as long as there is only one claiming it is not that critical, but it is maybe a good idea to mention the name nevertheless)
2007-11-29T17:01:18  <dreimark> yeah
2007-11-29T17:02:59  <dreimark> bbl -> home
2007-11-29T17:03:37  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, sure
2007-11-29T17:16:58  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 29
2007-11-29T17:26:45  <grzywacz> http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/nll.png
2007-11-29T17:26:46  <grzywacz> ;S
2007-11-29T17:28:34  <xorAxAx> hah, whats that?
2007-11-29T17:33:14  <ThomasWaldmann> if it would've said that to xoraxax, I could better understand it. :)
2007-11-29T17:36:07  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, setting env variables in eclipse :P
2007-11-29T17:37:00  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-11-29T17:39:36  <grzywacz> Actually, shouldn't we invite students to this channel?
2007-11-29T17:40:31  <xorAxAx> makes sense, yes
2007-11-29T17:40:38  <xorAxAx> feel free to update the pages
2007-11-29T17:42:59  <CIA-33> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> default * 2947:a7ed0a410ced 1.7/MoinMoin/events/_tests/test_events.py: Add a test for handle_user_created
2007-11-29T17:43:02  <CIA-33> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> default * 2948:361c8b582018 1.7/MoinMoin/events/jabbernotify.py: Fix errors with user creation notification as reported by cb22
2007-11-29T17:48:26  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: does this unblock that task?
2007-11-29T17:50:35  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, most likely
2007-11-29T17:51:09  <ThomasWaldmann> do you want to do further testing or shall we just write "it should work now" in the issue tracker?
2007-11-29T17:51:54  <grzywacz> Should work.
2007-11-29T17:51:58  <grzywacz> I'll test in a moment or two.
2007-11-29T17:54:07  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: if you give green light, I submit a comment that it was fixed by you.
2007-11-29T17:54:57  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, one moment, I'm trying to figure out how to enable xmlrpc ;)
2007-11-29T17:55:37  <ThomasWaldmann> actions_disabled = []
2007-11-29T17:57:10  <grzywacz> Didn't help. ;)
2007-11-29T17:57:39  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: ask the student :)
2007-11-29T17:57:44  <ThomasWaldmann> actions_excluded
2007-11-29T17:57:47  <ThomasWaldmann> (sorry)
2007-11-29T17:58:10  * ThomasWaldmann adds a note to the task
2007-11-29T18:00:17  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, :D
2007-11-29T18:00:27  <dreimark> heh we should add another task fixing this issue and gave this point to him
2007-11-29T18:00:56  <ThomasWaldmann> or for finding it :)
2007-11-29T18:01:52  <grzywacz> something's broken...
2007-11-29T18:02:41  <grzywacz> Ah, I didn't enable jabber notification. ;D
2007-11-29T18:03:44  * xorAxAx handles #38
2007-11-29T18:12:35  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, you can mark it as should work
2007-11-29T18:13:04  <ThomasWaldmann> done
2007-11-29T18:15:19  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 41
2007-11-29T18:16:04  <ThomasWaldmann> moin tuxella :)
2007-11-29T18:16:47  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like we have some really good people in GHOP :)
2007-11-29T18:21:06  <dreimark> :)
2007-11-29T18:23:36  <grzywacz> Oh, some claimed polish translation.
2007-11-29T18:23:41  <grzywacz> someone even
2007-11-29T18:31:56  <dreimark> ha, I found a bug in latex
2007-11-29T18:34:44  <grzywacz> ?
2007-11-29T18:35:27  <ThomasWaldmann> How to get info about how many had I done? (question about translating)
2007-11-29T18:35:38  <ThomasWaldmann> I guess we need some code for checking :)
2007-11-29T18:35:54  <dreimark> grzywacz: you can't include a graphic with  two dots in the file name
2007-11-29T18:36:11  <grzywacz> Ah, path handling is a weak spot of tex/latex
2007-11-29T18:37:59  <dreimark> bbl  dinner (been invited)
2007-11-29T19:05:09  <tuxella> hi ThomasWaldmann
2007-11-29T19:06:48  <xorAxAx> hi ninnnu
2007-11-29T19:06:56  <ninnnu> Hi xorAxAx
2007-11-29T19:07:04  <grzywacz> hi :)
2007-11-29T19:07:27  <xorAxAx> a lot of international (and fortunately european  - because of tz) students, but no german ones until now, right?
2007-11-29T19:08:01  <xorAxAx> so lets approach marketing - ninnnu, how did you get to know GHOP? :)
2007-11-29T19:08:12  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: Read from Slashdot
2007-11-29T19:08:18  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-11-29T19:08:22  <xorAxAx> tuxella: how about you?
2007-11-29T19:08:31  <tuxella> on /. too I think
2007-11-29T19:09:03  <tuxella> hum no, on Guido's blog
2007-11-29T19:11:40  * rafael claimed issue #58 :)
2007-11-29T19:12:05  <tuxella> rafael, we are neighbours then ;)
2007-11-29T19:12:46  <ThomasWaldmann> still no ghop coverage on german heise newsticker
2007-11-29T19:13:11  <rafael> are we?
2007-11-29T19:13:13  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: they just copy golem
2007-11-29T19:13:24  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: did they talk about it already?
2007-11-29T19:14:11  <tuxella> rafael, I claimed issue 57 ...
2007-11-29T19:14:27  <rafael> ah :)
2007-11-29T19:15:29  <rafael> i think 21days is enough space for school stuff, real life and stuff like that.. so not a short deadline
2007-11-29T19:16:24  * xorAxAx handles rafael 
2007-11-29T19:16:45  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: nope
2007-11-29T19:18:17  * ThomasWaldmann notified golem
2007-11-29T19:20:06  <ninnnu> Is here someone who is capable to answer a question about #38 (TrivialChangeEasyAccess)? In my current implementation (not sent to anywhere yet) I've copied the TrivialChange-checkbox to the top of the page and "linked" them (if you check either one, it checks both) but it's using JavaScript now (and I suppose that JS-less browser might send all edits as the bottom checkbox says, haven't tested it yet, though), would better option be just m
2007-11-29T19:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> ninnnu: to hit save, you have to be at the top anyway
2007-11-29T19:22:10  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: your message was truncated
2007-11-29T19:22:13  <xorAxAx> after "be just m"
2007-11-29T19:22:38  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: there is "splitlong.pl" that avoids such issues in irssi
2007-11-29T19:23:09  <ninnnu> Ok, I'll install it... soon... Just after I've found where the "be just" was so I can continue
2007-11-29T19:23:24  <ninnnu> Oh, there
2007-11-29T19:23:39  <ninnnu> ...be just moving the checkbox from bottom to top, or...what?
2007-11-29T19:26:25  <xorAxAx> i think thats fine, yes
2007-11-29T19:27:00  <ThomasWaldmann> ninnnu: after reading that "MoveButtonBarBelowCommentBox" page, maybe your idea would help stopping moving things around
2007-11-29T19:27:28  <ThomasWaldmann> if we put it below, people want it above. if we put it above, other people want it below X)
2007-11-29T19:27:55  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess there are 3 ways to handle this:
2007-11-29T19:28:01  <ninnnu> Um.. Which idea? The JS-linking? Yeah, but not everyone has JS enabled, and at least I like to use NoScript as long as it's not necessary...
2007-11-29T19:28:01  <ThomasWaldmann> a) ignore one party
2007-11-29T19:28:13  <ThomasWaldmann> b) have it below AND above
2007-11-29T19:28:20  <ThomasWaldmann> c) have a userprefs option
2007-11-29T19:28:55  <ThomasWaldmann> and you maybe do not need js. if the option is off by default, a logical "OR" would be ok
2007-11-29T19:29:10  <ThomasWaldmann> if an option is on by default, it is a logical "AND"
2007-11-29T19:30:33  <ThomasWaldmann> b) and c) can be combined by have userprefs configurability with default values set by admin
2007-11-29T19:31:09  <ThomasWaldmann> (sometimes finding the right way takes more time than implementing it :)
2007-11-29T19:31:16  <ninnnu> yep..
2007-11-29T19:32:07  <ninnnu> Or then do what the most wikis does (or, well, dunno, haven't made any statistics...), put everything at the bottom
2007-11-29T19:34:57  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: thats how it was before
2007-11-29T19:35:04  <xorAxAx> before usability regressors started :)
2007-11-29T19:36:29  * ThomasWaldmann slaps xorAxAx 
2007-11-29T19:36:31  <grzywacz> gmail puts buttons like "send" above and below messages
2007-11-29T19:36:34  <grzywacz> :D
2007-11-29T19:36:50  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: hmm
2007-11-29T19:37:30  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem with buttons at the bottom is a different one: if someone has a rather small browser window, but a large edit text area, he does not see that there ARE buttons.
2007-11-29T19:38:21  <ThomasWaldmann> putting the buttons at the top solved this, but of course, you might have to scroll back to the top
2007-11-29T19:41:19  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(access keys also could solve that, but that is another topic)
2007-11-29T19:41:51  * ThomasWaldmann -> home
2007-11-29T19:44:43  <ninnnu> If I just keep the JS-way, and fallback to the old way with <noscript> if JS is disabled...
2007-11-29T20:10:53  <tuxella> does anyone know where is the "moinmoin" name from ?
2007-11-29T20:13:08  <vpv> tuxella: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology :)
2007-11-29T20:14:56  <tuxella> vpv, thx
2007-11-29T20:16:06  <tuxella> I had seen moin a couple of times on irc but I believed it was a irc-ish abreviation of 'morning (for good morning)
2007-11-29T20:17:47  <grzywacz> It is a greeting.
2007-11-29T20:18:03  <ThomasWaldmann> no, it was invented in ancient pre-irc times :)
2007-11-29T20:18:32  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, I don't speak a single word of German, maybe this explains ...
2007-11-29T20:20:04  <ThomasWaldmann> you wouldn't learn that word in a german course anyway, it is kind of slang
2007-11-29T20:26:50  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, then I won't take any german course
2007-11-29T20:29:39  <rafael> where's a TachWiki or a ServusServusWiki? :D
2007-11-29T20:32:37  <ThomasWaldmann> tuxella: :D
2007-11-29T20:33:18  <grzywacz> lol;]
2007-11-29T20:33:34  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: there are none, because Tach is not a WikiName and ServusServus is not a used word (but MoinMoin is)
2007-11-29T20:35:01  <xorAxAx> but a CiaoCiao wiki could work
2007-11-29T20:36:52  <tuxella> and what about a CouCou wiki ?
2007-11-29T20:37:59  <xorAxAx> Cou?
2007-11-29T20:38:03  <xorAxAx> is that a parrot sound?
2007-11-29T20:38:36  <tuxella> coucou is a single waord in french for "Hi"
2007-11-29T20:38:52  <tuxella> but it's done with twice the same sylable:)
2007-11-29T20:39:37  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we should make a french clone of moin with that name
2007-11-29T20:39:42  <xorAxAx> never heard of it :)
2007-11-29T20:39:52  <ThomasWaldmann> the french always have a negative impression of "moin"
2007-11-29T20:40:53  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, for fure, it means "less" for us :)
2007-11-29T20:41:22  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah :) much less :))
2007-11-29T20:42:10  <ThomasWaldmann> but still better than a mitsubishi pajero :D
2007-11-29T20:43:00  <grzywacz> What does pajero mean? :P
2007-11-29T20:43:37  <ThomasWaldmann> google for it :)
2007-11-29T20:43:45  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=24&colspec=ID%20Status%20ClaimedBy%20Summary
2007-11-29T20:43:45  <grzywacz> ?
2007-11-29T20:44:08  <tuxella> metaphysical question : do you think that when you need sed and grep to read some code, it still can be considered as an option tu use it ?
2007-11-29T20:44:09  <grzywacz> oh... pajero...
2007-11-29T20:46:30  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: clarified
2007-11-29T20:46:55  <grzywacz> k
2007-11-29T20:47:05  <ThomasWaldmann> tuxella: are you talking of some perl code? :D
2007-11-29T20:48:09  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, no, actually it's python code
2007-11-29T20:48:36  <tuxella> but it's some weird guys who have "translated" some php into python
2007-11-29T20:49:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ah :|
2007-11-29T20:49:44  <tuxella> so it begins by maybe 200 lines if redefinition of def counf(s) : len(s) , and other hungarian to camelCased conversions and then half of the lines are php commented :)
2007-11-29T20:50:06  <xorAxAx> serious industry programmers use hungarian notation
2007-11-29T20:50:57  <grzywacz> ;>
2007-11-29T20:50:57  <tuxella> xorAxAx, now I know "serious industry programmers" use VB.net as if they where using vb6 I don't believe in this kind of people
2007-11-29T20:51:00  <rafael> if i output html, it must be after html 4.01 strict, mustn't it?
2007-11-29T20:51:46  <xorAxAx> tuxella: hehe
2007-11-29T20:52:07  <xorAxAx> rafael: what are you trying to do?
2007-11-29T20:52:15  <xorAxAx> are you writing the parser?
2007-11-29T20:52:22  <xorAxAx> it shouldnt output html at all
2007-11-29T20:52:27  <xorAxAx> but use the formatter interface
2007-11-29T20:52:30  <rafael> i think how i can structure it
2007-11-29T20:52:39  <rafael> ok i'll take a look
2007-11-29T20:56:43  <tuxella> xorAxAx, are you a little aware of the issue 57 : reviewing libraries to extract text from documents (like pdf, msWord ..) without using external programs ?
2007-11-29T20:56:59  <xorAxAx> tuxella: yes
2007-11-29T21:00:08  <tuxella> xorAxAx, great, my question is : what does "shortly" mean in "you have to describe shortly how it could be used."
2007-11-29T21:00:49  <tuxella> is it like "ok, this library just needs a file name and then we can use one method to extract text for each page, and other methods for metadata"
2007-11-29T21:01:26  <xorAxAx> tuxella: yes
2007-11-29T21:01:36  <tuxella> ok  great :)
2007-11-29T21:01:38  <xorAxAx> and you can even write a few lines of (pseudo) code for that
2007-11-29T21:02:06  <tuxella> xorAxAx, what, python isn't a pseudo code ?
2007-11-29T21:02:14  <xorAxAx> tuxella: python is fine :)
2007-11-29T21:02:25  <xorAxAx> i mean, its ok if you even write code instead of writing a sentence
2007-11-29T21:02:35  <tuxella> ok, great
2007-11-29T21:03:14  <tuxella> and the 10 entries means 10 file format rather than 5 pdf library and 5 word / excel document isnt it ?
2007-11-29T21:11:43  <xorAxAx> i think so, yes, esp. because there arent so many pdf libs around  :)
2007-11-29T21:12:04  <tuxella> ;)
2007-11-29T21:13:45  <tuxella> xorAxAx, so you work on MoinMoin, PyPy, any other anti-symetric project ?
2007-11-29T21:14:46  <xorAxAx> anti-symmetric? what does it mean? :)
2007-11-29T21:22:37  <rafael> i suggest none 08/15 projects :)
2007-11-29T21:22:58  <xorAxAx> tuxella:
2007-11-29T21:23:09  <xorAxAx> rafael: not sure what such a project would be
2007-11-29T21:25:25  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe something in php in your dark past :D
2007-11-29T21:25:53  * xorAxAx tries to remember if he ever wrote FOSS in php
2007-11-29T21:25:55  <tuxella> xorAxAx, you see, ir MoinMoin were a symetric project, it's name would be MoinnioM, and PyPy would be PyyP
2007-11-29T21:26:04  <xorAxAx> tuxella: ah :)
2007-11-29T21:26:15  <xorAxAx> well, its a kind of symmetry
2007-11-29T21:26:19  <tuxella> uste a bad play on words ...
2007-11-29T21:26:26  <xorAxAx> and anti-symmetric is a good term, yes :)
2007-11-29T21:26:30  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-29T21:26:42  <xorAxAx> no other anti-symmetric projects, no :)
2007-11-29T21:34:14  <tuxella> ;)
2007-11-29T21:38:57  <tuxella> is anyone using xchat under mac os x here ?
2007-11-29T21:42:24  <rafael> nope, but nice meta question
2007-11-29T21:44:36  * cb23 joins everyone in #dev
2007-11-29T21:45:25  <xorAxAx> hey cb23 :)
2007-11-29T21:45:31  <xorAxAx> you dont need to start another client
2007-11-29T21:45:38  <xorAxAx> /join #moin-dev
2007-11-29T21:45:40  <xorAxAx> should work
2007-11-29T21:45:46  <cb23> well
2007-11-29T21:45:57  <cb23> it should, and i'm normally a irssi guy
2007-11-29T21:46:02  <xorAxAx> :)
2007-11-29T21:46:15  <cb23> but i'm using epic5, and have no clue what the keys are :/
2007-11-29T21:47:08  <cb23> and it seems to merge to channels together
2007-11-29T21:50:38  <cb23> so, any other young people around :)?
2007-11-29T21:51:12  <tuxella> cb23, depending on what you mean by "young" :P
2007-11-29T21:52:02  <xorAxAx> cb23: i am counting 4
2007-11-29T21:53:27  <cb23> nice
2007-11-29T21:57:20  <tuxella> then I assume young meant student
2007-11-29T21:57:41  * xorAxAx is a student but too old for GHOP :)
2007-11-29T21:58:15  <tuxella> xorAxAx, there is actually a maximum age ?
2007-11-29T21:58:23  <xorAxAx> hmm, no
2007-11-29T21:58:27  <tuxella> i though it was juste >13
2007-11-29T21:58:29  <xorAxAx> but i am studying at university
2007-11-29T21:58:50  <xorAxAx> if you are in your last highschool year and 25, that should be fine for google as well
2007-11-29T21:58:59  <xorAxAx> doesnt work in every country, though
2007-11-29T22:00:09  <tuxella> it's like for the android contest, iraq, Italy and canada inhabitants can't do it ?
2007-11-29T22:01:47  <xorAxAx> android contest?
2007-11-29T22:01:52  <xorAxAx> italy?
2007-11-29T22:02:10  <tuxella> you have heard about Android don't you ?
2007-11-29T22:02:16  <tuxella> formerly called gPhone
2007-11-29T22:02:47  <grzywacz> Yes, but why not Canada or Italy? O_o;
2007-11-29T22:02:51  <tuxella> in fact it's a java framework to develop mobile phone aplicaton
2007-11-29T22:03:32  <tuxella> because they have special laws that would oblige google to pays 10% of the biggest prize as tax even if the winner isn't italian / canadian
2007-11-29T22:03:49  <tuxella> grzywacz, oddly you didn't ask for Iraq ;-)
2007-11-29T22:04:12  <xorAxAx> tuxella: i dont know the contest, though
2007-11-29T22:05:10  <tuxella> google found 10^7 $ to make cahs prizes
2007-11-29T22:05:22  <tuxella> the 50 firsts win 25 0004
2007-11-29T22:05:28  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2374:b3676f95c2dc 1.6/MoinMoin/ (action/subscribe.py theme/__init__.py action/unsubscribe.py): fix MoinMoinBugs/SubscribeAndUnsubscribeShareSameUrl (thanks to Federico Lorenzi)
2007-11-29T22:05:50  <cb22> :)
2007-11-29T22:06:09  <tuxella> and then 2 month after, the 10 first of this 50 betters win 100 000$ I think
2007-11-29T22:06:55  <xorAxAx> tuxella: do you have an URL?
2007-11-29T22:06:55  <tuxella> xorAxAx, just to launch the platform and to motivate people to code on it
2007-11-29T22:07:11  <xorAxAx> ah,  found it
2007-11-29T22:07:15  <tuxella> i think something like this : http://code.google.com/android/
2007-11-29T22:07:23  <cb22> ah android
2007-11-29T22:08:38  <tuxella> sadly they re-implemented their own JVM instead of porting a python interpreter on it ...
2007-11-29T22:09:22  <cb22> indeed, i always wondered why they did that
2007-11-29T22:09:43  <cb22> i remember seeing a java vs python benchmark once
2007-11-29T22:09:56  <cb22> with java slighty faster
2007-11-29T22:10:03  <xorAxAx> i always wanted to write a calendaring app
2007-11-29T22:10:13  <xorAxAx> not sure i would use the platforms features with it, though
2007-11-29T22:10:18  <cb22> but used huge ammounts of memory compaired to python
2007-11-29T22:11:20  <tuxella> xorAxAx, why would you like to write a calendaring app ?
2007-11-29T22:11:43  <xorAxAx> tuxella: because i only know one single good one - and that one is for the palm platform
2007-11-29T22:12:13  <tuxella> xorAxAx, i'm very happy with the windows mobile 5 one :)
2007-11-29T22:12:31  <tuxella> excepting it can't synchronise with an ical file
2007-11-29T22:12:33  <xorAxAx> is it any different than the earlier ones?
2007-11-29T22:12:48  <xorAxAx> (which were slim outlook copies)
2007-11-29T22:12:56  <xorAxAx> tuxella: have a look at datebk5 screenshots
2007-11-29T22:13:24  <tuxella> xorAxAx, my previous experiments about windows ce was on an embeded platform to localize TGVs so, didn't need any calendaring app ;)
2007-11-29T22:14:05  <xorAxAx> btw, you claim to be french, have a british  ip, though
2007-11-29T22:14:08  <xorAxAx> why is that?
2007-11-29T22:14:31  <tuxella> xorAxAx, I'm in England at the moment
2007-11-29T22:14:35  <tuxella> doing a work placement
2007-11-29T22:14:43  <xorAxAx> whats that? internship?
2007-11-29T22:14:47  <tuxella> yes
2007-11-29T22:15:01  <xorAxAx> wow, doing an internship for school overseas sounds lik efun
2007-11-29T22:15:17  <tuxella> work placement seems to be the british pendant of internship
2007-11-29T22:15:21  <tuxella> xorAxAx, yes it is :)
2007-11-29T22:16:05  <tuxella> actualy, now it is, while at the beggining was pretty crap
2007-11-29T22:16:20  <xorAxAx> you had to figure out all stuff yourself?
2007-11-29T22:16:37  <tuxella> (http://www.jampaq.com/images/de_screenshot2.jpg <= this is the kind of screenshot you wanted me to see ?)
2007-11-29T22:16:42  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2375:68c9a7017b11 1.6/MoinMoin/ (xmlrpc/__init__.py _tests/test_rpc.py): fix MoinMoinBugs/XmlRpcPutPageAllowsEmptyPageName (thanks to Jonas Wagner)
2007-11-29T22:16:58  <tuxella> if by all stuff you mean finding the company and then finding an accomodation then, yes
2007-11-29T22:17:09  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-11-29T22:17:21  <xorAxAx> thats not datebk5
2007-11-29T22:17:56  <tuxella> https://www.mobireach.com/upload/131/131/screenshot160.gif <= this is ?
2007-11-29T22:18:00  <xorAxAx> http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk6details.htm
2007-11-29T22:18:24  <xorAxAx> its really good
2007-11-29T22:19:30  <tuxella> seems very handy to have two pans at the same time indeed
2007-11-29T22:21:49  <tuxella> and about the placement, that's actually a very good experiment to do it abroad :)
2007-11-29T22:23:25  <xorAxAx> at least your english seems better than the one of most french pupils i have talked to :)
2007-11-29T22:23:33  <starshine> here in the US "work placement" usually means you are still legally a minor and restricted as to types of work
2007-11-29T22:23:40  <xorAxAx> starshine: ah
2007-11-29T22:24:11  <starshine> whereas internship means you are in college and not restricted as to types, but preferring (a) work in your field, (b) hours work around your term projects and coursework
2007-11-29T22:24:23  <cb22> so xorAxAx you have any ideas on how to keep the mem cache consistant with the disk one? or should the memory caching die?
2007-11-29T22:24:33  <xorAxAx> no, it shouldnt die
2007-11-29T22:24:35  <xorAxAx> but let me think
2007-11-29T22:24:37  <starshine> for companies it also usually means they get someone brilliant and hardworking for cheap.
2007-11-29T22:24:59  <tuxella> starshine, here they got brilliant and hardworking but not that cheap :p
2007-11-29T22:25:34  <xorAxAx> tuxella: you could make it a per-request cache
2007-11-29T22:25:37  <starshine> tuxella: the ones they don't get cheap they get with the possible win/win of getting to hire them on fulltime when they get their degree.
2007-11-29T22:26:01  <xorAxAx> tuxella: that trades off the code/accesses needed for invalidation and the speed loss of not caching
2007-11-29T22:26:15  <xorAxAx> tuxella: so you would have request.cache.name2id
2007-11-29T22:26:29  <tuxella> xorAxAx, i think youare talkng to cb22 ;)
2007-11-29T22:26:33  <cb22> hehe
2007-11-29T22:26:33  <xorAxAx> (and cache is an instance of a subclass of object that doesnt have any methods)
2007-11-29T22:26:39  <xorAxAx> tuxella: indeed
2007-11-29T22:26:43  <xorAxAx> cb22: see above :)
2007-11-29T22:26:55  * xorAxAx wonders if cb means citizen band
2007-11-29T22:27:03  <cb22> heh nope
2007-11-29T22:27:16  <tuxella> starshine, yes but that's not a short tme investment for the company in this case, 'cause i'll only get my degree in a year
2007-11-29T22:27:17  <cb22> you dont want to know what it stands for
2007-11-29T22:27:20  <starshine> I might wonder that too, when I was young sideband had 22 channels..
2007-11-29T22:27:44  <cb22> its an abbriviated form of my old nick
2007-11-29T22:27:50  <xorAxAx> hh
2007-11-29T22:27:51  <xorAxAx> hah
2007-11-29T22:28:04  <cb22> which i shall not mention here to avoid embarassment :p
2007-11-29T22:28:27  <starshine> well I don't know of any moin related internships ;P
2007-11-29T22:28:48  <tuxella> starshine, ;)
2007-11-29T22:29:13  <cb22> xorAxAx: per request sounds like a good idea
2007-11-29T22:29:47  <cb22> tomorrow is my last day of school
2007-11-29T22:30:13  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-29T22:30:34  <tuxella> cb22, one step beyond and the real life begins : work, wife, salary, taxes ...
2007-11-29T22:30:38  <tuxella> so sad
2007-11-29T22:31:14  <cb22> tuxella: eh... last day of grade10
2007-11-29T22:31:19  <cb22> :p
2007-11-29T22:31:39  <tuxella> cb22, grade10 ?
2007-11-29T22:32:04  <cb22> grade 10?
2007-11-29T22:32:23  <cb22> im 16, so whatever is around there i suppos
2007-11-29T22:32:30  <xorAxAx> dont forget that every country counts differently :)
2007-11-29T22:32:35  <tuxella> ok
2007-11-29T22:33:13  <cb22> true
2007-11-29T22:33:15  <tuxella> I learnt yesterday how grades are called in the US, and it pretty much match with your age :)
2007-11-29T22:33:19  <starshine> if he's in US, he's got two more years to go.
2007-11-29T22:33:40  <cb22> not in the us, but 2 more years
2007-11-29T22:33:51  <cb22> im in... south africa
2007-11-29T22:34:02  <cb22> who wants to pat my pet lion?
2007-11-29T22:36:05  <tuxella> cb22, i'd be more interested about diamonds ;)
2007-11-29T22:36:28  <cb22> hehe and dont forget gold
2007-11-29T22:37:25  <cb22> we have lots of that
2007-11-29T22:38:26  <cb22> the one thing we dont have in this country however is bandwidth
2007-11-29T22:38:45  <tuxella> cb22, what about a wine / gold or cheese / diamonds exchange ?
2007-11-29T22:39:28  * cb22 goes and scraches in his backyard for some diamonds
2007-11-29T22:40:08  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: maybe you have some local ubuntu mirrors :)
2007-11-29T22:41:14  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, Egypt had grasshoopers, South Africa has Ubuntu ...
2007-11-29T22:41:35  <cb22> and zuma
2007-11-29T22:41:40  <cb22> we also have him
2007-11-29T22:42:23  <cb22> where else could a corrupt rapiest with 6 wives get a presidential vote from a womans league
2007-11-29T22:44:08  <xorAxAx> which other nation is full of decades of suppression
2007-11-29T22:44:29  <xorAxAx> hmm, a few more
2007-11-29T22:45:52  * cb22 searches frantically for a ticket to europe
2007-11-29T22:49:56  <tuxella> cb22, do not come in france, thay are setting laws about cutting liberty of expression ...
2007-11-29T22:50:57  <xorAxAx> hmm, .za is nice from a tz PoV as well
2007-11-29T22:51:29  <tuxella> .tk is nice form a TLD PoV ;)
2007-11-29T22:51:41  <xorAxAx> why?
2007-11-29T22:51:46  <xorAxAx> .ax is a nice tld
2007-11-29T22:51:48  <cb22> tuxella: i've got a eu passport so i could go wherever :)
2007-11-29T22:51:56  <cb22> hehe
2007-11-29T22:52:11  <cb22> where is .in?
2007-11-29T22:52:11  <xorAxAx> unfortunately you need to be from aland
2007-11-29T22:52:14  <xorAxAx> india
2007-11-29T22:52:45  <cb22> chosen for coolness or purpose?
2007-11-29T22:53:35  <ThomasWaldmann> for the purpose of coolness
2007-11-29T22:53:56  <xorAxAx> shortness
2007-11-29T22:54:09  <xorAxAx> moinmo.in is shorter than moinmoin.*
2007-11-29T22:54:13  <cb22> heh
2007-11-29T22:54:31  <cb22> i always want to write mion for some reason
2007-11-29T22:54:46  <cb22> makes me feel dyslexic
2007-11-29T22:55:01  <xorAxAx> thats pronounced completly different, even in afrikaans i presume
2007-11-29T22:55:58  <cb22> indeed, but my brain is weird
2007-11-29T22:56:16  <cb22> you know how some cars have 'rest' buttons
2007-11-29T22:56:32  <cb22> that use engine heat to warm the car?
2007-11-29T22:57:13  <cb22> i always read that a reset missing one e. go figure
2007-11-29T22:58:13  <xorAxAx> looks like you assume that the car is running windows
2007-11-29T22:59:59  <cb22> hehe, i tthink in some countries they do
2007-11-29T23:00:05  <cb22> explains all the crashes
2007-11-29T23:00:26  <vpv> I've never even heard about .ax before :D interesting, though mainland people can't get one...
2007-11-29T23:00:49  <xorAxAx> vpv: its pretty new
2007-11-29T23:01:02  <xorAxAx> vpv: yes :-( i know a few people from finnland but nobody from aland
2007-11-29T23:01:10  <vpv> so it seems, last year
2007-11-29T23:02:20  <tuxella> xorAxAx, and .fi is less sexy ;)
2007-11-29T23:02:28  <xorAxAx> tuxella: my nickname doesnt end on .fi
2007-11-29T23:03:34  <tuxella> xorAxAx, mine would need a country in the middle between Laos and Los Angeles ...
2007-11-29T23:03:43  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-11-29T23:05:01  <tuxella> TUXEL.LA is currently available for registration, at $50 per year.
2007-11-29T23:05:05  <grzywacz> will be back tomorrow
2007-11-29T23:05:07  <grzywacz> see you :)
2007-11-29T23:05:10  <xorAxAx> c u grzywacz
2007-11-29T23:05:16  <tuxella> bye grzywacz
2007-11-29T23:06:08  <tuxella> does it exist a kind of IRC module for Vi ?
2007-11-29T23:23:41  <ThomasWaldmann> tuxella: there is irssi and screen :)
2007-11-29T23:30:18  <tuxella> ThomasWaldmann, I know, but my answer was refering to grzywacz? exit message
2007-11-29T23:50:52  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess that's just a joke
2007-11-29T23:54:24  <tuxella> :)
2007-11-29T23:54:38  <tuxella> hum, building gnome deps
2007-11-29T23:54:57  <tuxella> beginning by glib asking for a more recent version of pkg-config
2007-11-29T23:55:36  <tuxella> reminds my not-so-far moments fighting with dependencies under slackware :)