MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-30

2007-11-30T00:03:08  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-30T00:04:04  <tuxella> hi dreimark
2007-11-30T00:04:13  <dreimark> hi tuxella
2007-11-30T00:06:10  <dreimark> read issue mails currently
2007-11-30T00:07:07  <tuxella> sorry about my inconvenience, but are you a well-setled moimoin developer or a newly-arrived one (like me) ?
2007-11-30T00:10:51  <dreimark> tuxella: I am one of the coreteam, and I recognized you  do help with the filter programs
2007-11-30T00:11:21  <tuxella> dreimark, exactly
2007-11-30T00:11:40  <tuxella> i like the word "recognize" for a nickname :)
2007-11-30T00:12:23  <dreimark> yeah, thats a good one, tuxella sounds nice too
2007-11-30T00:12:41  <tuxella> :)
2007-11-30T00:17:21  <tuxella> dreimark, do you know how many issues have been claimed today ?
2007-11-30T00:18:31  <tuxella> (today's computer are so fast at compiling C libraries !!)
2007-11-30T00:19:31  <dreimark> tuxella: not now I think we do some statistics tomorrow.
2007-11-30T00:20:18  <tuxella> I think this system is better than the GSoC, cause it has a less entry barrier
2007-11-30T00:27:53  <dreimark> GSoC is important too for large scale projects, students do have the possibility to write a master/diploma thesis based on projects they have worked on
2007-11-30T00:28:38  <tuxella> I haven't thought about thesis ...
2007-11-30T00:28:57  <dreimark> it's quite exciting to get more "students" on smaller projects too :)
2007-11-30T00:29:20  <tuxella> :)
2007-11-30T01:21:02  <dreimark> comments on issue 69
2007-11-30T02:04:28  <dreimark> good night all
2007-11-30T08:17:31  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-30T08:18:23  <TheSheep> moin
2007-11-30T08:19:22  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 47
2007-11-30T08:22:26  * ThomasWaldmann comments issue 56
2007-11-30T08:43:28  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-30T08:47:46  <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark
2007-11-30T08:51:06  <dreimark> *** comments on 56
2007-11-30T08:52:46  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we may want  moin maint cleancache to purge the name2id file too ?
2007-11-30T08:58:48  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: maybe first wait for the fix he comes up with
2007-11-30T08:59:02  <grzywacz> moin
2007-11-30T08:59:04  <dreimark> ok
2007-11-30T08:59:06  <grzywacz> I'm just for a moment ;]
2007-11-30T08:59:07  <dreimark> hi grzywacz
2007-11-30T09:00:02  <dreimark> it was quite silent after midnight this morning here
2007-11-30T09:02:41  <grzywacz> ok
2007-11-30T09:13:47  <dreimark> *** comments on 56
2007-11-30T09:15:07  <xorAxAx> dreimark: it already does
2007-11-30T09:15:22  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, we dont have many non-european-non-south-african students
2007-11-30T09:16:58  <veers> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2007-11-30T09:17:43  <grzywacz> bbl from work
2007-11-30T09:17:58  <ThomasWaldmann> moin veers
2007-11-30T09:19:07  <veers> ThomasWaldmann: about the patch / google tracker
2007-11-30T09:19:16  <veers> where can I attach the patch there?
2007-11-30T09:19:16  <dreimark> xorAxAx: some kind of two sort would be fine  (by status and by id). Do you know a feature request page for the issue system
2007-11-30T09:19:31  <veers> I asked xorAxAx and he suggested to attach it to the wiki
2007-11-30T09:19:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: it is sorted by status, name, id
2007-11-30T09:19:50  <xorAxAx> veers: you can also attach it to the google thingie i found out
2007-11-30T09:19:59  <xorAxAx> veers: there is an attach file link below the comment box
2007-11-30T09:20:16  <dreimark> i know I do want it sorted first by status and then by id
2007-11-30T09:20:44  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i dont :)
2007-11-30T09:20:58  <veers> xorAxAx: ok, I'll attach it as soon as I'm back at home
2007-11-30T09:21:01  <xorAxAx> at least not for the claimed students
2007-11-30T09:21:25  <xorAxAx> veers: its fine ... we just dont want that google dislikes your task solution because its not in their system
2007-11-30T09:22:35  <dreimark> xorAxAx:  i recognized I have to search for  the entry I  updated
2007-11-30T09:23:48  <veers> xorAxAx: Ok :)
2007-11-30T09:23:50  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-11-30T09:23:59  <dreimark> I meant on top claimed as it is but not that mixing of IDs
2007-11-30T09:24:12  <xorAxAx> dreimark: it is sorted by student names
2007-11-30T09:24:23  <xorAxAx> to see if somebody claims two items
2007-11-30T09:24:35  <dreimark> indeed, that makes sense
2007-11-30T09:24:39  <xorAxAx> you can directly jump to a ticket by pressing / or . depending on your browser
2007-11-30T09:25:49  <dreimark> xorAxAx: see query
2007-11-30T09:52:14  <cb22> wooh! no more school for 7 weeks
2007-11-30T09:52:56  <ThomasWaldmann> hey :)
2007-11-30T09:53:49  <cb22> btw, tw-pub...@gmx.de == xorAxAx ?
2007-11-30T09:54:07  <ThomasWaldmann> tw == me
2007-11-30T09:54:10  <cb22> ah
2007-11-30T09:54:17  <cb22> makes sense now :)
2007-11-30T09:54:39  <veers> No school this afternoon
2007-11-30T09:55:01  <cb22> i was thinking about the memory cache, wouldn't checking to see if its up to date give it a biggish performance hit?
2007-11-30T09:55:27  <cb22> as i thought of that, maybe making a serial or something
2007-11-30T09:55:42  <cb22> like serial : 100, and each change incriments it by one
2007-11-30T09:56:02  <cb22> and if the mem serial and the disk serial are different, reload the mem cache
2007-11-30T09:56:13  <cb22> always assume disk == correct
2007-11-30T09:56:46  <TheSheep> cb22: checking the disk is slow
2007-11-30T09:57:02  <cb22> TheSheep: thought so
2007-11-30T09:57:09  <TheSheep> ChanServ: several orders of magnitude slower than memory
2007-11-30T09:57:14  <TheSheep> argh
2007-11-30T09:57:15  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: that depends on your check
2007-11-30T09:57:25  <ThomasWaldmann> reloading all from disk is also slow
2007-11-30T09:57:25  <cb22> but on that topic, shouldnt the os cache the file anyways
2007-11-30T09:57:32  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2007-11-30T09:57:42  <ThomasWaldmann> except if it caches other stuff
2007-11-30T09:57:50  <TheSheep> it's still a system call too
2007-11-30T09:58:00  <ThomasWaldmann> (a internet server can be rather busy)
2007-11-30T09:58:06  <cb22> yeah, true
2007-11-30T09:58:23  <ThomasWaldmann> gtg, bbl
2007-11-30T09:58:26  <cb22> cheers
2007-11-30T09:59:12  <cb22> i'm gonna write a little test module that will work with a few thousand usernames and see what happens
2007-11-30T09:59:59  <cb22> basically just create a really large dictionary
2007-11-30T10:00:02  <cb22> then pickle it
2007-11-30T10:00:21  <cb22> then change an item in one, and see what the best way to sync the two would be
2007-11-30T10:02:39  <xorAxAx> hmm, yeah, reloading n users per request isnt nice if the wiki is large
2007-11-30T10:03:11  <cb22> well, i'm going with range(0:20000) for my test
2007-11-30T10:03:14  <xorAxAx> so i guess the wiki should do an os.path.getmtime at every request
2007-11-30T10:03:17  <cb22> 20000 users should be enough
2007-11-30T10:05:49  <TheSheep> wouldn't shelve work with this?
2007-11-30T10:08:48  <cb22> hmm, it caches transparently?
2007-11-30T10:11:27  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-30T10:24:29  <cb22> writing pickles are very expensive
2007-11-30T10:24:46  <cb22> 1090ms to write out a pickle of a dict containing 100000 entries
2007-11-30T10:24:53  <cb22> whereas 452 to read it in
2007-11-30T10:25:15  <xorAxAx> and 452 is to slow to happen at every request :)
2007-11-30T10:25:20  <cb22> indeed
2007-11-30T10:26:16  <cb22> shelve actually looks promising though
2007-11-30T10:32:59  <cb22> disregard that, it is way slower then pickle
2007-11-30T10:51:42  <grzybacz> cb22: what about cpickle?
2007-11-30T10:53:21  <cb22> grzybacz, import cPickle as pickle :)
2007-11-30T10:53:26  <cb22> pickle is slow, really slow
2007-11-30T10:53:35  <cb22> 6000ms vs 1000ms
2007-11-30T10:54:05  <cb22> what i'm looking at now is storing the mtime in the memcache
2007-11-30T10:54:21  <cb22> and before using the memcache check if disk mtime == mem 'mtime'
2007-11-30T10:54:32  <cb22> if so, cache is clean, if not, update it
2007-11-30T11:02:07  <cb22> sweet, if the cache is clean, then 0.0770092010498ms of overhead gets added :)
2007-11-30T11:02:15  <cb22> if not, it reloads it from disk
2007-11-30T11:02:30  <cb22> which for 100000 users takes 450ms
2007-11-30T11:09:12  <TheSheep> there was this thingie called memcached... ;)
2007-11-30T11:13:47  <cb22> sure, lets use memcache! i mean its only another daemon, its not like people will mind
2007-11-30T11:13:48  <TheSheep> http://www.danga.com/memcached/
2007-11-30T11:13:55  <TheSheep> :)
2007-11-30T11:14:07  * cb22 feels his overkill senses tingling
2007-11-30T11:14:14  <TheSheep> cb22: no, no, but we could look how it does it
2007-11-30T11:14:48  <TheSheep> then again, having it as a plugin could be cool for large deplayments
2007-11-30T11:15:03  <TheSheep> deployments
2007-11-30T11:15:08  <cb22> hmm, whats the largest installation known of atm?
2007-11-30T11:15:33  <TheSheep> ubuntu? redhat?
2007-11-30T11:15:43  <TheSheep> gnome?
2007-11-30T11:16:17  * TheSheep looks for the SuccessStories page on moin
2007-11-30T11:16:32  <cb22> any idea on the number of users?
2007-11-30T11:17:10  <TheSheep> cb22: the ubuntu one has lots, that's sure
2007-11-30T11:17:21  <TheSheep> cb22: but I think they use launchpad for mail notification
2007-11-30T11:19:53  <cb22> TheSheep, actually memcache is a pretty nifty idea, it would make sense to eventually get it in somehow
2007-11-30T11:20:04  <cb22> but not now :)
2007-11-30T11:21:11  <TheSheep> debian 5125 pages, ubuntu 18421 pages, apache 839, xen 433, python 2474
2007-11-30T11:21:24  <TheSheep> fedora errors on the SystemInfo page :)
2007-11-30T11:21:27  <xorAxAx> fedora  unknown (timeout)
2007-11-30T11:21:28  <xorAxAx> yep
2007-11-30T11:21:52  <TheSheep> kernelnewbies 390
2007-11-30T11:22:26  <TheSheep> I'd say the ubuntu one is among the largest
2007-11-30T11:22:37  <TheSheep> large enough to make recent changes useles
2007-11-30T11:27:51  <TheSheep> my eduwiki has about 900 users
2007-11-30T11:29:09  <TheSheep> and 1566 pages
2007-11-30T11:29:55  <cb22> 4ms with 1000 users to read to mem
2007-11-30T11:31:08  <TheSheep> I should probably purge old users
2007-11-30T11:55:24  <xorAxAx> heise covered GHOP
2007-11-30T11:55:33  <xorAxAx> lets see if students from germany will notice it :)
2007-11-30T11:57:49  <grzybacz> I wrote about ghop on one of main polish floss sites two days ago.
2007-11-30T11:58:36  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: i think we have a few polish students already, but no german ones :)
2007-11-30T12:00:56  <xorAxAx> ah, rafael is from germany
2007-11-30T12:05:19  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: yes, someone is translating .pl
2007-11-30T12:13:43  <ser> hello, we are finishing polish translation
2007-11-30T12:14:27  <ser> i hope we will fit until release of 1.6
2007-11-30T12:14:37  <xorAxAx> hi ser, are you the ghop student? :)
2007-11-30T12:15:08  <xorAxAx> we are running http://moinmo.in/Ghop2007 currently and a ghop student is working on it as well
2007-11-30T12:15:45  <ser> no, i work with bbc london :)
2007-11-30T12:15:55  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-11-30T12:16:01  <ser> two big moin wikis here
2007-11-30T12:16:08  <xorAxAx> well, then lets see how far the student comes
2007-11-30T12:59:41  <grzybacz> [detached]
2007-11-30T13:15:34  * ThomasWaldmann wrote some email to franz pletz, asking for some help with bugfixing the search
2007-11-30T13:17:04  <dreimark> I did this too, some days ago
2007-11-30T13:32:42  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2950:42f93f4db9d0 1.7/MoinMoin/search/_tests/test_search.py: search tests: cosmetic fix
2007-11-30T14:16:55  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2951:bca1a0c997a2 1.7/MoinMoin/search/_tests/test_search.py: search: add queryparser tests
2007-11-30T14:16:56  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2952:1bb689d96ade 1.7/MoinMoin/search/queryparser.py: search: fix breaking queryparser tests
2007-11-30T14:58:25  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2953:41138237f2a5 1.7/MoinMoin/search/_tests/test_search.py: search: add test for title search with negative term (currently failing)
2007-11-30T15:00:39  * xorAxAx handles 81
2007-11-30T15:01:00  <dreimark> seems a german one
2007-11-30T15:07:38  <dreimark> *** comments on 88
2007-11-30T15:27:54  <ninnnu> So... I'm ready with Issue 38... Do I take everything "hg diff" tells me or should I drop something out?
2007-11-30T15:28:43  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: you should always submit "clean" patches. what would you drop out?
2007-11-30T15:30:14  <ninnnu> Well, that "diff -r hex a_file.py"-line is the one I don't know what I should do with it..
2007-11-30T15:30:25  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2954:96319d867986 1.7/MoinMoin/conftest.py: enable logging to stderr with py.test tests
2007-11-30T15:30:45  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: just hg diff is fine
2007-11-30T15:30:50  <xorAxAx> or better, hg export
2007-11-30T15:31:06  <xorAxAx> but that makes only sense if you configured your hg to have a username set
2007-11-30T15:31:19  <xorAxAx> (then your name will end up in the change history and you will become proud :))
2007-11-30T15:32:56  <ninnnu> (I'm already proud enough for seeing my name in "Claimed By"-column, and preferably "Closed"... :))
2007-11-30T15:33:21  <ninnnu> I think I go for hg diff, it seems simplier..
2007-11-30T15:33:59  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-11-30T15:34:16  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: moinmaster is down
2007-11-30T15:47:35  <ThomasWaldmann> up again
2007-11-30T17:37:42  * ThomasWaldmann has maybe found the negated term problem in the search
2007-11-30T18:00:13  <dreimark> fine :)
2007-11-30T18:06:37  <dreimark> *** comments on  65
2007-11-30T18:07:05  <xorAxAx> dreimark: doesnt your client support /me? :)
2007-11-30T18:07:52  <dreimark> seems not
2007-11-30T18:09:19  <xorAxAx> what happens when you type /me test?
2007-11-30T18:10:00  * xorAxAx handles 37
2007-11-30T18:10:32  <dreimark> nothing
2007-11-30T18:10:43  * dreimark test
2007-11-30T18:11:06  <dreimark> ah ok have to enter a comment too,
2007-11-30T18:12:13  <dreimark> xorAxAx: are there other commands I should know ? ;)
2007-11-30T18:13:18  <xorAxAx> /whois
2007-11-30T18:18:16  * xorAxAx handles 66 
2007-11-30T18:18:22  <ThomasWaldmann> issue 66 has not right wording
2007-11-30T18:18:24  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-11-30T18:18:39  <xorAxAx> now it has
2007-11-30T18:19:38  <dreimark> any ideas how much wikis are good for one server ?
2007-11-30T18:20:10  <ThomasWaldmann> many or none, that depends on the server, traffic, etc.
2007-11-30T18:56:51  <dreimark> bbl
2007-11-30T20:06:54  <veerz> whats the difference between icon-info and moin-info?
2007-11-30T20:07:27  <veerz> and what the hell is moin-icon
2007-11-30T20:15:18  <veerz> moin-icon looks like its not used anymore
2007-11-30T20:15:51  <veerz> hg grep moin-icon\.png only yields changelogs
2007-11-30T20:19:01  <blinx> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/WrongAlignedAttachment
2007-11-30T20:19:33  <blinx> anyone can add the div and the div class in the wiki parser for me?
2007-11-30T20:19:33  <veerz> morgen blinx
2007-11-30T20:19:39  <blinx> moin
2007-11-30T20:20:39  <blinx> one div id around the images and one class around each image itselves
2007-11-30T20:23:56  <blinx> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/file/affd315c3768/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py <- there?
2007-11-30T20:24:55  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: if you have some time, can you take a look at the issue?
2007-11-30T20:25:02  <rafael> heyho
2007-11-30T20:25:10  <blinx> hoho
2007-11-30T20:25:16  <xorAxAx> blinx: ?
2007-11-30T20:25:27  <xorAxAx> blinx: you are student with an assigned task, this is a contest
2007-11-30T20:25:35  <blinx> I know :)
2007-11-30T20:25:40  <xorAxAx> the contest is not about asking others to do your work
2007-11-30T20:25:41  <rafael> now i got one to interview about moinmoin - someone from http://dlr.de :) - but i already claimed a task :|
2007-11-30T20:25:42  <blinx> I'm searching on myself
2007-11-30T20:25:58  <blinx> but it is more difficult I guessed...
2007-11-30T20:26:23  <xorAxAx> nevertheless you can ask sensible questions if you dont understand something
2007-11-30T20:26:43  <blinx> "The task is to a find the reason for that strange display (probably
2007-11-30T20:26:45  <blinx> wrong / missing CSS) and fix it."
2007-11-30T20:26:54  <ThomasWaldmann> veerz: be careful when grepping for xxx.png, it could be used as just xxx
2007-11-30T20:27:38  <ThomasWaldmann> blinx: make a diff
2007-11-30T20:27:45  <blinx> with css the problem can't be solved
2007-11-30T20:27:49  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: k
2007-11-30T20:28:25  * ThomasWaldmann will continue debugging the search
2007-11-30T20:28:42  <xorAxAx> you might want to write a unittest beforehand :)
2007-11-30T20:29:48  <blinx> xorAxAx: can you tell me where I find the part where the attachments are included in the page?
2007-11-30T20:30:13  <blinx> xorAxAx: I searched and searched but nothing found in the hg repo
2007-11-30T20:30:57  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann, ok, but searching for moin-icon doesn't yield anything more
2007-11-30T20:45:28  <rafael> what should i do with my double issue problem?
2007-11-30T20:46:10  <blinx> xorAxAx: is the kw** used for the parameters of html code e.g. <a href="test">    kw[href] = test   ?
2007-11-30T20:46:50  <rafael> blinx: you mean def func(**kwargs)? call it with func(foo=bar, asdf=jkl) and so on...
2007-11-30T20:54:31  <xorAxAx> rafael: double issue?
2007-11-30T20:55:54  <rafael> xorAxAx: possible? in issue #86 you responsed "You may not claim more task at once, zacharyhamed" ?
2007-11-30T20:56:32  <xorAxAx> rafael: you have claimed more than one issue?
2007-11-30T20:57:35  <rafael> at the moment i claimed one. but i can wait until the 7th of november (interview date) and claim it then.. maybe i finished my actual then
2007-11-30T20:58:23  <xorAxAx> you cannot claim two tasks at once, so you have to finish your first one, yes
2007-11-30T20:59:03  <rafael> ok
2007-11-30T21:17:06  <starshine> 7th november next year??
2007-11-30T21:32:41  <dreimark> grzywacz: moin, can you recheck Issue 24 and it close if ok
2007-11-30T21:36:05  * ninnnu sent a patch to Issue 38
2007-11-30T21:58:21  * dreimark comments on 38
2007-11-30T22:14:21  * dreimark comments on 75
2007-11-30T22:16:29  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: can you review #24?
2007-11-30T22:16:38  <xorAxAx> (needs polish language knowledge)
2007-11-30T22:17:42  * xorAxAx handles 76
2007-11-30T22:18:43  * dreimark comments on 74
2007-11-30T22:20:29  <xorAxAx> dreimark: attention, incorrect claim sentence
2007-11-30T22:20:43  <dreimark> correcting
2007-11-30T22:21:13  * xorAxAx sighs
2007-11-30T22:24:40  <xorAxAx> argh
2007-11-30T22:24:46  <xorAxAx> dreimark: his text is wrong, his claim is invalid
2007-11-30T22:24:48  <xorAxAx> not yours ....
2007-11-30T22:24:57  <ninnnu> dreimark: Um.. Do I also fill the Status-part (under = Plan =) in MoinMoinBugs/TrivialChangeEasyAccess?
2007-11-30T22:24:59  <xorAxAx> please read the rules and revert the state to open
2007-11-30T22:25:14  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: you dont have to but it would be nice :)
2007-11-30T22:25:42  <ninnnu> Ok
2007-11-30T22:25:43  <xorAxAx> dreimark: before google's lawyers kill you :-)
2007-11-30T22:25:59  <dreimark> you meant the one who wished
2007-11-30T22:26:03  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-11-30T22:30:09  <dreimark> done
2007-11-30T22:48:58  * dreimark comments on 38
2007-11-30T22:50:09  <CIA-33> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2376:05d7cc041433 1.6/MoinMoin/ (PageEditor.py PageGraphicalEditor.py): fix for MoinMoinBugs/TrivialChangeEasyAccess (thanks to Ninnu)
2007-11-30T23:19:12  <ninnnu> *cough*ninnnu*cough*...
2007-11-30T23:19:37  <xorAxAx> :)
2007-11-30T23:41:55  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2955:c8a3731ce61c 1.7/MoinMoin/search/ (_tests/test_search.py builtin.py queryparser.py): search: add tests, add debug logging, fix bugs (negative search terms failing, and others)
2007-11-30T23:45:34  <dreimark> gn
2007-11-30T23:55:14  <veerz> I've tangoified the moinmoin icons - any comments so far? http://img3.myimg.de/screenshotbcc52.png
2007-11-30T23:56:51  <xorAxAx> veerz: note that gnome did as well :)
2007-11-30T23:57:33  <xorAxAx> the attach sign is a bit large, but other than that it looks nice at first sight
2007-11-30T23:57:55  <xorAxAx> the gnome guy asked me if we could use his tango iconset
2007-11-30T23:58:07  <xorAxAx> i said that it would be nice if could at least upload it to our wiki
2007-11-30T23:58:20  <xorAxAx> he said that he is too busy to debrand the new stylish gnome theme and upload it
2007-11-30T23:58:49  <xorAxAx> but he hasnt uploaded anything yet
2007-11-30T23:58:59  <xorAxAx> but maybe one could simply fetch it
2007-11-30T23:59:02  <xorAxAx> with wget :)
2007-11-30T23:59:10  <veerz> xorAxAx, gnome uses moinmoin? :)
2007-11-30T23:59:13  <xorAxAx> veerz: sure
2007-11-30T23:59:54  <xorAxAx> http://live.gnome.org/