MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-11

2007-12-11T00:23:54  <cb22> xorAxAx: lol stop arguing about my format!
2007-12-11T00:24:32  <xorAxAx> cb22: you will find the best format :)
2007-12-11T00:26:05  <cb22> yay! finally, i can edit it
2007-12-11T00:26:19  <cb22> i'll probably be able to upload it in 30 min or so
2007-12-11T00:26:32  <cb22> just need to remove some 'awkward silence' pieces or so
2007-12-11T00:28:30  * xorAxAx is looking forward to the directors cut
2007-12-11T00:33:00  <grzywacz> :)
2007-12-11T00:34:20  <cb22> actually, this irc channel has a short cameo in it :p
2007-12-11T00:34:40  <cb22> why do you think i said google rule =)
2007-12-11T01:01:52  * ThomasWaldmann looks at that moin dump error
2007-12-11T01:18:36  * cb22 thinks the only thing ThomasWaldmann should be looking at is sleeping!
2007-12-11T01:19:54  <ThomasWaldmann> |-)
2007-12-11T01:32:28  <grzywacz> night :)
2007-12-11T01:42:23  <cb22> ok, rendering my video...
2007-12-11T01:42:42  * cb22 wonders why he did it in after effects
2007-12-11T02:07:52  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: client issues?
2007-12-11T02:22:14  <ThomasWaldmann> no, I am just playing with irssi
2007-12-11T02:38:23  <cb22> looks like irssi is playing with you :p
2007-12-11T02:44:25  <cb22> ok, the video is uploading!
2007-12-11T02:44:29  <cb22> eta 40 minutes
2007-12-11T02:44:35  <cb22> http://cb22.za.net/video.avi
2007-12-11T02:44:49  <cb22> its standard mpeg4 with mp3 sound :)
2007-12-11T02:45:01  <cb22> the original is 800x600, but that one is 640x480
2007-12-11T03:11:16  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: it ends after the jail config?
2007-12-11T09:49:25  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: it wasnt finished uploading
2007-12-11T09:49:54  <cb22> it finished at 4:36 SAST
2007-12-11T09:52:54  <cb22> it finished at 4:36 SAST, you viewed it at 04:11 SAST :)
2007-12-11T09:55:08  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: ok :)
2007-12-11T09:57:02  <cb22> nital thoughts?
2007-12-11T09:57:07  <cb22> inital*
2007-12-11T10:06:56  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you look at 56?
2007-12-11T10:11:10  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i think that table in the rtf document is not a good way to present, columns are too narrow
2007-12-11T10:19:37  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-11T10:21:17  <dreimark> do look at 56 ;)
2007-12-11T10:28:31  * dreimark comments  56
2007-12-11T10:56:13  * dreimark bbl (talks)
2007-12-11T12:56:08  <cb22> for the interested: http://cb22.za.net/video.avi
2007-12-11T12:56:29  <cb22> my screencast
2007-12-11T15:18:15  <xorAxAx> http://opentouch.info/tmp/ghop/ghop-stats.html
2007-12-11T15:26:50  <cb23> hmmm...
2007-12-11T15:26:56  <cb23> can anyone ping cb22.za.net?
2007-12-11T15:27:15  <xorAxAx> got one ping through
2007-12-11T15:27:18  <xorAxAx> 2
2007-12-11T15:27:21  <xorAxAx> high packet loss
2007-12-11T15:27:25  <johill> once a while
2007-12-11T15:27:30  <johill> ~90% packet loss at the last hop
2007-12-11T15:27:39  <cb23> hmm :/
2007-12-11T15:27:42  <cb23> there went my vps
2007-12-11T15:27:45  <johill> ~20% packet loss to 0.so-5-0-0.gbr1.mmu.nac.net which is a bit before
2007-12-11T15:28:12  <cb23> looks like their network must be screwed or something
2007-12-11T15:28:25  <johill> I've seen weirder stuff
2007-12-11T15:28:28  <cb23> hmm, back again
2007-12-11T15:28:29  <cb23> weird
2007-12-11T15:28:43  <johill> one or two weeks ago somebody managed to create a routing loop enroute to my vps
2007-12-11T15:29:03  <johill> so pings would run around in circles instead of arriving until TTL
2007-12-11T15:29:11  <cb23> haha ouch
2007-12-11T15:29:16  <cb23> who hosts yours?
2007-12-11T15:29:19  <johill> traceroute looked weird
2007-12-11T15:29:33  <johill> not their fault, it was somewhere in amsterdam or so
2007-12-11T15:29:52  * cb23 is using minivds, $10 for a freebsd vps
2007-12-11T15:29:56  <xorAxAx> thats not difficult, i managed that a few weeks ago as well :) but only 7 hosts were affected
2007-12-11T15:30:02  <johill> xorAxAx: :)
2007-12-11T15:30:08  <cb23> 2gb space, 96mb ram
2007-12-11T15:30:27  <waldi> hihi
2007-12-11T15:30:30  * cb23 would be putting out spam for people to watch his video right now, but thats not exactly possible :p
2007-12-11T15:30:48  <xorAxAx> and it was after some unexpected routing change of the provider
2007-12-11T15:30:59  <johill> xorAxAx: routing is getting weirder anyway
2007-12-11T15:31:10  <johill> the route to my vps is now asymmetric, the way back is a different way than to it
2007-12-11T15:31:28  <cb23> ha, i've had some weird issues with dual homed hosts...
2007-12-11T15:31:33  <johill> for some reason the latency was >400ms with the symmetric route but now it is <50ms
2007-12-11T15:31:36  <xorAxAx> thats internet routing, yes - but thats pretty normal for multihomed providers
2007-12-11T15:31:57  <cb23> like my gateway, basically i have two adsl accounts, one for local traffic (in south africa), the other for international
2007-12-11T15:32:04  <cb23> and routes to send the traffic to the right place
2007-12-11T15:32:18  <xorAxAx> cb23: so you pay 2 contracts?
2007-12-11T15:32:23  <cb23> now, if you go to the 'international' ip address within south africa, you would get a reply back from the 'local' one!
2007-12-11T15:32:36  <cb23> took me a while to figure out :)
2007-12-11T15:32:49  <cb23> xorAxAx, internet here sucks
2007-12-11T15:33:05  <cb23> i have a 30gb local cap, which i use for downloading stuff from local  mirrors
2007-12-11T15:33:11  <cb23> and a 5gb international cap
2007-12-11T15:33:45  <cb23> total cost (without adsl line): R130 + R290 == R420 == $50 or so a month
2007-12-11T15:34:04  <cb23> 62*
2007-12-11T15:34:13  <xorAxAx> wow
2007-12-11T15:34:29  <cb23> yeah, kinda expensive
2007-12-11T15:34:41  <xorAxAx> yeah, traffic over the few cables is pretty expensive
2007-12-11T15:34:54  <cb23> and then we need to pay ~R500 == ~$70 just for a
2007-12-11T15:34:57  <cb23> adsl line
2007-12-11T15:34:59  <xorAxAx> and thomas still thinks that download size doesnt matter
2007-12-11T15:35:02  <xorAxAx> ugh
2007-12-11T15:35:13  <cb23> and guess how fast it is? 512k/sec
2007-12-11T15:35:26  <johill> rock on.
2007-12-11T15:35:31  <cb23> =)
2007-12-11T15:35:38  <johill> satellite might be faster ;)
2007-12-11T15:35:42  <cb23> still, it beats the dial-up i had...
2007-12-11T15:35:44  <johill> and cheaper too heh
2007-12-11T15:36:02  <xorAxAx> johill: assuming that his area is covered by satellites
2007-12-11T15:36:12  <xorAxAx> +cheap
2007-12-11T15:36:16  <johill> you would assume, around the equator, these are geostationary
2007-12-11T15:36:28  <cb23> oh, there is satellite here
2007-12-11T15:36:30  <johill> of course he's further south but we're much further north than that
2007-12-11T15:36:38  <xorAxAx> johill: not really
2007-12-11T15:36:39  <cb23> its even more crap then fibre =)
2007-12-11T15:37:02  <cb23> there are two 'backbone' providers, IS, the good guys, and SAIX, the bad guys
2007-12-11T15:37:10  <xorAxAx> cb23: whats your latitude?
2007-12-11T15:37:38  <cb23> IS use sat, while SAIX (government 0wned) use fibre
2007-12-11T15:37:45  <xorAxAx> johill: hmm, indeed, its a large difference :)
2007-12-11T15:37:50  <cb23> 33 55S
2007-12-11T15:37:54  <johill> told you
2007-12-11T15:38:03  <johill> :)
2007-12-11T15:38:20  <xorAxAx> nevertheless there had been an MMIC on ~30 N :)
2007-12-11T15:38:20  <cb23> and the anti-competitveness of things is scary...
2007-12-11T15:38:36  <johill> mmic?
2007-12-11T15:38:46  <xorAxAx> moinmoin international conference
2007-12-11T15:39:12  <johill> ah heh
2007-12-11T15:39:33  <ninnnu> <semi-offtopic> http://opentouch.info/tmp/ghop/ghop-stats-output.txt | Not graphical, but probably a bit more informative version of xorAxAx's earlier link. </semi-offtopic>
2007-12-11T15:39:47  <cb23> ninnnu, what topic? :)
2007-12-11T15:39:57  <ninnnu> cb23: Er... MMIC-topic? :)
2007-12-11T15:40:11  <cb22> yay, vps is back!
2007-12-11T15:40:18  <cb22> xorAxAx, have you seen my screencast?
2007-12-11T15:40:24  <xorAxAx> cb22: not yet
2007-12-11T15:40:29  <cb22> cb22.za.net/video.avi
2007-12-11T15:40:39  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: thats not offtopic :)
2007-12-11T15:41:09  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: It's semi-offtopic ;)
2007-12-11T16:44:19  <cb23> 91.42.114.227, any comments =)?
2007-12-11T16:57:49  <ThomasWaldmann> cb23: the window and the font size could've been a bit bigger
2007-12-11T16:59:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (about half of the pixels are wasted for the background image of some nonfree OS :)
2007-12-11T17:02:03  <ThomasWaldmann> (and of course if I look at the video embeeded in my browser, again half of MY screen is wasted for the browser)
2007-12-11T17:11:46  <ThomasWaldmann> strange, when I looked at it before, the slider of the player moved right until it reached the end
2007-12-11T17:11:53  <ThomasWaldmann> now it stays at the very left
2007-12-11T17:11:59  <cb23> hmm
2007-12-11T17:12:01  <cb23> thats weird
2007-12-11T17:12:16  <cb23> oh, and the original is 800x600, and better quality too
2007-12-11T17:14:58  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-11T17:15:20  <ThomasWaldmann> gna, I switched to another browser window and the player stopped and lost the position
2007-12-11T17:15:35  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, give me a sec
2007-12-11T17:15:38  * ThomasWaldmann wants an swf
2007-12-11T17:15:46  <cb23> i'll transcode to flv and put it up with swfplayer
2007-12-11T17:16:30  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-12-11T19:15:06  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, if you are back, http://cb22.za.net/ghop/
2007-12-11T19:29:53  <cb23> oh btw, to the people watching it, i just updated its metadata, if you refresh you should be able to seek properly now
2007-12-11T19:30:07  <dreimark> cb23: :)
2007-12-11T19:36:00  <stargaming> Are viewers supposed to copy&paste this jail_moin_* stuff?
2007-12-11T19:36:38  <cb23> stargaming, i'm still going to add some notes :)
2007-12-11T19:37:00  <stargaming> Providing some file would be good I think.
2007-12-11T19:37:24  <cb23> already on it...
2007-12-11T19:37:48  <stargaming> I really like your screencast, by the way! (Even though there is no way I could need a free bsd jail with a moin install, it makes me wanting to *do* this right now :D)
2007-12-11T19:38:12  <cb23> haha, thanks
2007-12-11T19:40:41  <cb23> http://cb22.za.net/ghop/notes.html
2007-12-11T19:42:00  <cb23> if the screencast gets 'approved', i'll probably upload everything to the moin wiki and wikify it
2007-12-11T20:04:41  <dreimark> cb23: ghop/notes.html is empty ?
2007-12-11T20:05:10  <cb23> hmm? its not for me?
2007-12-11T20:05:29  <cb23> what browser you using?
2007-12-11T20:05:53  <dreimark> FF
2007-12-11T20:06:10  <cb23> try shift-refresh
2007-12-11T20:07:32  <dreimark> the source is empty too
2007-12-11T20:11:08  <dreimark> ahh now i got it
2007-12-11T20:12:45  <dreimark> cb23: new users won't be confused by using /wiki for the wiki instance
2007-12-11T20:13:35  <dreimark> the doc tells always from mywiki
2007-12-11T20:14:32  <dreimark> currently I think using the term mywiki sounds better
2007-12-11T20:15:12  <dreimark> because we have used wiki in the past for the /moin_static160 stuff
2007-12-11T20:15:24  <dreimark> and it is the first version after this change
2007-12-11T20:15:25  <cb23> dreimark, hmm, should i just change the notes? i really dont feal like recording a whole screencast again unless really nessacery :/
2007-12-11T20:15:52  <dreimark> I think you should give a hint in the notes
2007-12-11T20:16:18  <cb23> dreimark, i'm so never doing another screen cast again :)
2007-12-11T20:16:22  <cb23> they are hard!
2007-12-11T20:16:26  <dreimark> to get acknowledged the difference
2007-12-11T20:17:39  <dreimark> it is not necessary to do the cast again, just add a footnote or a /!\
2007-12-11T20:17:55  <cb23> dreimark, yep, doing so now
2007-12-11T20:18:37  <dreimark> if we were currently at 2.0 it won't be neccessary but users have to recognize lots of addons
2007-12-11T20:18:51  <dreimark> now
2007-12-11T20:20:33  <cb23> dreimark, ok added a note
2007-12-11T20:20:45  <cb23> Errata: While the screencast uses /usr/local/www/wiki, the notes have been changed to reflect the documentation, which uses /usr/local/www/mywiki
2007-12-11T20:20:55  <cb23> and the same exists in the notes themselves
2007-12-11T20:23:47  <dreimark> ok, but you can give a hint too (for compatibility to older installations ... because the name wik was used for the static stuf ...)
2007-12-11T20:25:23  <cb23> dreimark, Also older versions of Moin actually use 'wiki', so it is suggested to go with 'mywiki' instead.
2007-12-11T20:25:31  <cb23> sound fine?
2007-12-11T20:26:29  <dreimark> add the version number because it will be used same for 1.7 ...
2007-12-11T20:27:01  <dreimark> and we discuss sometimes user issues of much older versions
2007-12-11T20:27:21  <cb23> dreimark, huh?
2007-12-11T20:27:25  <dreimark> 1.6
2007-12-11T20:27:42  <dreimark> sometimes someone uses 1.3x
2007-12-11T20:27:55  <cb23> yes, but what did you mean about 1.7?
2007-12-11T20:28:48  <dreimark> we try to have 1.7 quite fast after 1.6
2007-12-11T20:29:09  <cb23> ah right
2007-12-11T20:29:23  <cb23> like 'if you are using 1.7 with this guide, use moin_static170 instead'?
2007-12-11T20:29:30  <dreimark> phone call
2007-12-11T20:30:03  <cb23> huh?
2007-12-11T20:32:07  <cb23> * NOTE, If you are using a different version of Moin, replace "/moin_static160" with the appropriate string. For 1.7 this is "/moin_static170", and for older versions "/wiki"
2007-12-11T20:45:09  <ThomasWaldmann> cb23: btw, do not upload big files to the wiki, just specify a url where one can wget them, then I'll directly dl it to the static file server
2007-12-11T20:45:21  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, cool thx
2007-12-11T20:45:26  <cb23> that saves me bandwidth too :)
2007-12-11T20:45:49  <cb23> (not bandwidth on my hosting, i have enough of that, but my adsl bandwidth)
2007-12-11T20:47:34  <cb23> btw, if you need it the url for the flash file is http://cb22.za.net/ghop/vid.flv
2007-12-11T20:55:23  <ThomasWaldmann> put it onto the wiki page or issue tracker
2007-12-11T20:55:39  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2007-12-11T21:03:17  <theredmonkey> hi
2007-12-11T21:03:22  <cb23> hello
2007-12-11T21:04:52  <theredmonkey> some days ago I claimed this task: http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=77
2007-12-11T21:05:13  <xorAxAx> hi theredmonkey
2007-12-11T21:05:30  <xorAxAx> yes, and havent seen any comment by you on the task
2007-12-11T21:05:41  <xorAxAx> which usually means that the person wont submit any reasult
2007-12-11T21:06:18  <theredmonkey> no, I'm almost ready
2007-12-11T21:06:47  <theredmonkey> but I'm not sure how to "release" the result
2007-12-11T21:07:02  <xorAxAx> i wonder why you didnt ask earlier :)
2007-12-11T21:07:06  <xorAxAx> communication is important
2007-12-11T21:07:37  <theredmonkey> I was ill the last days ...
2007-12-11T21:08:10  <xorAxAx> have you read FurtherInformation?
2007-12-11T21:08:29  <xorAxAx> it hints at MercurialGuide which tells one how to make a diff
2007-12-11T21:09:24  <theredmonkey> ah, this one? http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/MercurialGuide
2007-12-11T21:09:43  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-11T21:10:38  <cb23> xorAxAx, do you know how i could use [[ ]] inside moin?
2007-12-11T21:10:45  <cb23> escape it?
2007-12-11T21:10:51  <xorAxAx> no idea
2007-12-11T21:10:56  <xorAxAx> thomas changed the markup
2007-12-11T21:11:13  <theredmonkey> ok - thank you - so I will read this.
2007-12-11T21:11:38  <xorAxAx> and if you have questions, just ask :)
2007-12-11T21:11:46  <cb23> hmm, i just put it inside {{{ }}}
2007-12-11T21:12:47  <theredmonkey> btw: are you interested in a preview? - I have uploadet an example
2007-12-11T21:13:10  <xorAxAx> theredmonkey: a screenshot would be nice, you can attach it to the ticket
2007-12-11T21:13:46  <theredmonkey> ok
2007-12-11T21:16:29  <theredmonkey> yet another question: are the theming files of the desktop-wiki version the same as in the "normal version"?
2007-12-11T21:16:53  <xorAxAx> which desktop wiki version?
2007-12-11T21:17:06  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-12-11T21:17:12  <xorAxAx> there is MMDE 1.5 which is too old, you have to use moinmoin 1.6 to base your work on (cf. FurtherInformation)
2007-12-11T21:17:40  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, i have created http://moinmo.in/FreeBSDScreencast
2007-12-11T21:17:40  <cb23>  which is basically the notes wikified
2007-12-11T21:17:52  <cb23> and posted it on the tracker
2007-12-11T21:17:54  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, great :)
2007-12-11T21:18:15  <cb23> xorAxAx, i think by desktop edition he means moin.py?
2007-12-11T21:18:21  <cb23> thats what i always mean
2007-12-11T21:18:27  <xorAxAx> cb23: no idea thats why i am asking :)
2007-12-11T21:18:33  <theredmonkey> I meant tis: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/DesktopEdition
2007-12-11T21:18:49  <xorAxAx> yes, thats not 1.6 as requested by our rules
2007-12-11T21:19:12  <xorAxAx> (but it also says so :))
2007-12-11T21:20:11  <theredmonkey> yes now i realised this. I'm so stupid ...
2007-12-11T21:23:30  <theredmonkey> but there is an desktopwiki 1.6?
2007-12-11T21:24:57  <xorAxAx> ask cb23 :)
2007-12-11T21:26:24  <ThomasWaldmann> theredmonkey: not as for 1.5, the moin.py in the top level directory of 1.6 is also very easy to use (and effectively a very similar thing than D.E.)
2007-12-11T21:28:37  <theredmonkey> ah ok. the problem is that I never worked before with a system like Mercurial
2007-12-11T21:29:05  <cb23> i actually find mercurial to be the nicest rcs i have seen so far
2007-12-11T21:29:17  <cb23> compared to git / cvs / svn
2007-12-11T21:29:23  <cb23> i especially dislike git
2007-12-11T21:30:37  <theredmonkey> that can be true. I meant I've never worked with _any_ rcs ;)
2007-12-11T21:30:56  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, most other are either broken, or big, or complicated
2007-12-11T21:31:06  <TheSheep> cb23: same here :)
2007-12-11T21:31:12  <ThomasWaldmann> mercurial is nice, small and easy
2007-12-11T21:31:27  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-11T21:31:46  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: and good for your fur ;)
2007-12-11T21:32:23  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2007-12-11T21:34:31  * dreimark comments on 44
2007-12-11T21:42:19  <theredmonkey> so, ready for the next stupid question? ;) What does this mean: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/20138/  ?
2007-12-11T21:43:51  <TheSheep> theredmonkey: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuusers.de%2Fpaste%2F20138%2F&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=en&ie=UTF8
2007-12-11T21:43:59  <ThomasWaldmann> did you untar the underlay.tar ?
2007-12-11T21:45:20  <theredmonkey> no
2007-12-11T21:45:44  <theredmonkey> and i dont know were i can get it ... sorry
2007-12-11T21:46:21  <ThomasWaldmann> see wiki/
2007-12-11T21:46:54  <ThomasWaldmann> if you use the 1.6.0rc1 archive, this is not necessary, btw
2007-12-11T21:48:05  <theredmonkey> I have the version "hg clone" gave me ...
2007-12-11T21:48:14  <dreimark> cb23: you should give a note about releases of MM too
2007-12-11T21:48:20  <theredmonkey> 5 minutes ago
2007-12-11T21:48:32  <ThomasWaldmann> look into wiki/
2007-12-11T21:49:24  <theredmonkey> yes i do
2007-12-11T21:49:47  <dreimark> cb23: developers like to use hg users may want to use stable releases
2007-12-11T21:51:04  <cb23> dreimark, adding...
2007-12-11T21:52:06  <bolekk> dreimark: Hi, was it you who added a comment to my GHOP task about tyhe dump script and asked for adding missing css files ?
2007-12-11T21:52:22  <dreimark> bolekk: yes
2007-12-11T21:52:49  <dreimark> It would be nice if you could add those missing files
2007-12-11T21:53:25  <bolekk> dreimark: so a few days a go I asked about this feature here and xorAxAx told me that it is impossible because we do not have access to the path to where those files are located
2007-12-11T21:53:47  <cb23> dreimark, added: * NOTE, This screencast uses the 1.6 development tree. This is good to get the latest fixes and patches, but it could be unstable. In case you want more stability, download the appropriate version of MoinMoin.
2007-12-11T21:53:51  <dreimark> hmm, I do have a look
2007-12-11T21:53:56  <dreimark> bolekk:
2007-12-11T21:54:21  <dreimark> cb23: :)
2007-12-11T21:56:45  <dreimark> bolekk: there are ome posibilities
2007-12-11T21:57:19  <dreimark> a) --wiki-url (if it is below there)
2007-12-11T21:57:28  <xorAxAx> ?
2007-12-11T21:57:51  <dreimark> b) ask for a parameter to specify the static parts if one likes to have css files
2007-12-11T21:58:10  <xorAxAx> "specify the static parts"?
2007-12-11T21:58:27  <dreimark> thats a parameter for dump
2007-12-11T21:58:46  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, it doesnt make sense because its not dealing with urls
2007-12-11T21:59:54  <dreimark> xorAxAx: we only need to  store "modern/css/screen.css"  in a relative path of target
2007-12-11T22:00:32  <dreimark> yo one has only to enter the url for the static stuff
2007-12-11T22:00:36  <xorAxAx> dreimark: "in a relative path"?
2007-12-11T22:00:38  <dreimark> s/yo/so/
2007-12-11T22:00:49  <dreimark> target is the absolutepath
2007-12-11T22:00:53  <xorAxAx> dreimark: currently, the user only needs to copy the css files, if you mean that
2007-12-11T22:00:58  <xorAxAx> thats working pretty well
2007-12-11T22:01:22  <dreimark> so then it needs only be added that way
2007-12-11T22:01:38  <xorAxAx> ???
2007-12-11T22:02:31  <dreimark> I do the dump with access to the wiki. I do specify the target dir. I do want the css files based on the target dir copied too
2007-12-11T22:02:48  <xorAxAx> "target dir"? "based on the target dir"?
2007-12-11T22:03:44  <dreimark> you must use --target-dir=/your/output/path to specify the directory we write the html files to
2007-12-11T22:04:39  <dreimark> /your/output/path is the target dir and /your/output/path/modern is the dir for modern
2007-12-11T22:04:58  <xorAxAx> dreimark: thats how it works currently, so whats your point?
2007-12-11T22:05:09  <dreimark> no it doesn't
2007-12-11T22:05:24  <dreimark> I did a full dump and I do miss all css files
2007-12-11T22:05:34  * xorAxAx sighs
2007-12-11T22:06:11  <bolekk> but the static files are accessible by a seperate alias : url_prefix_static =  wchich is then handled  by the web server
2007-12-11T22:08:24  <dreimark> bolekk: dump knows all config vars
2007-12-11T22:12:05  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: that is a url, not a fs path
2007-12-11T22:12:42  <dreimark> request.cfg.
2007-12-11T22:12:43  <bolekk> ok , but we can fatch files knowing their url , can't we?
2007-12-11T22:12:51  <bolekk> fetch
2007-12-11T22:12:53  <dreimark> we can
2007-12-11T22:13:09  <ThomasWaldmann> yes :) weird, but would work.
2007-12-11T22:13:16  * xorAxAx sighs again
2007-12-11T22:13:26  <xorAxAx> please dont block students with stupid ideas
2007-12-11T22:14:03  <bolekk> i don't think it is stupid if only it would work :p
2007-12-11T22:14:07  <xorAxAx> esp. if they are not part of the deliverables
2007-12-11T22:14:17  <xorAxAx> bolekk: yes, the latter part is crucial and failing :)
2007-12-11T22:14:30  <theredmonkey> what is the best way when I want to use the 'moinmoin_alpha.png' in the new stylesheet?
2007-12-11T22:15:29  <dreimark> xorAxAx: bolekk it is not directly part of the deliverables and if it is missing i do accept the task done too
2007-12-11T22:15:43  <dreimark> but I think it is very nice to have
2007-12-11T22:15:44  * cb23 thinks an 'export' framework would be a cool idea
2007-12-11T22:15:54  <xorAxAx> dreimark: then please finalise the task
2007-12-11T22:15:56  <xorAxAx> to avoid blocking him
2007-12-11T22:16:14  <cb23> like when i made package.py, quite a bit of code in there could be shared with dump.py
2007-12-11T22:16:42  <bolekk> hmm so maybe you can accept my task so that I can claim another one before there are no tasks left:p but I'll try to do that as well
2007-12-11T22:16:57  <xorAxAx> bolekk: do what?
2007-12-11T22:17:08  <bolekk> copy those css files
2007-12-11T22:17:15  <bolekk> via http
2007-12-11T22:17:39  <xorAxAx> pain
2007-12-11T22:17:46  <xorAxAx> ful
2007-12-11T22:17:51  <bolekk> ?
2007-12-11T22:18:22  <xorAxAx> bolekk: the idea is completly nuts - its much easier to supply the fs path than to ask for the URL and download the files
2007-12-11T22:18:48  <bolekk> but we have this url in 'wikiconfig.py'
2007-12-11T22:18:54  <xorAxAx> no
2007-12-11T22:19:14  <bolekk> isn't it     url_prefix_static =   ?
2007-12-11T22:19:19  <xorAxAx> thats only a part of it
2007-12-11T22:19:31  <xorAxAx> in most cases
2007-12-11T22:19:58  <dreimark> bolekk: I do accept the task, and the simplest way is to add an  additional parameter
2007-12-11T22:20:30  <dreimark> if one like to have css files copied
2007-12-11T22:20:35  <dreimark> or logo
2007-12-11T22:20:44  <xorAxAx> gah
2007-12-11T22:20:52  <xorAxAx> you cannot copy the logo
2007-12-11T22:21:00  <xorAxAx> because you dont know where it resides
2007-12-11T22:21:22  <bolekk> but I still don't understand why using /alias/modern/css/common.css  we are not sure to get what we wanted ...
2007-12-11T22:21:33  <bolekk> where  url_prefix_static =  /alias
2007-12-11T22:21:53  <xorAxAx> please reword
2007-12-11T22:23:00  <bolekk> why do you claim that using   urllib2.open("http://alias/modern/css/common.css") we may not get that file ?
2007-12-11T22:23:00  <dreimark> bolekk: thats the url and you get all the css files  by this
2007-12-11T22:23:56  <xorAxAx> bolekk: well, because it is only a partial url in most wikis
2007-12-11T22:25:07  <xorAxAx> dreimark: no ...
2007-12-11T22:25:12  <dreimark> request.getBaseURL()
2007-12-11T22:25:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: he doesnt have any request that has a valid URL if the user doesnt supply it on the command line
2007-12-11T22:25:40  <dreimark> htdocs -> self.request.cfg.url_prefix
2007-12-11T22:25:46  <xorAxAx> gah
2007-12-11T22:26:26  <cb23> guys, i need help with a textcha. You do a fast trip from Europe to Australia, what vehicle do you mainly use? help me!! :p
2007-12-11T22:27:28  <dreimark> cb23: guess
2007-12-11T22:27:58  <cb23> dreimark, a blimp maybe ^-^?
2007-12-11T22:29:39  <dreimark> we should add a bot for translations
2007-12-11T22:30:32  <bolekk> anyway, those textChas are sometimes hard :p
2007-12-11T22:30:38  <dreimark> plain
2007-12-11T22:31:29  <dreimark> xorAxAx: ahh
2007-12-11T22:31:52  <xorAxAx> dreimark: 34 minutes ...
2007-12-11T22:33:18  <bolekk> so what's the decision about my task ? I still don't understand why this url can be partial...
2007-12-11T22:34:04  <cb23> grzywacz, i was just thinking about asking you a question, hehe
2007-12-11T22:34:37  <dreimark> the problem is that currently the export dump does not require to enter --wiki-url=
2007-12-11T22:35:09  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2426:0998245e0403 1.6/MoinMoin/stats/ (languages.py useragents.py): useragent/language stats: fixed division by zero, do not use 'sum' (reserved)
2007-12-11T22:36:26  <dreimark> xorAxAx: if one enters the url then he should get the css too
2007-12-11T22:36:50  * dreimark 5 mins later
2007-12-11T22:36:53  <grzywacz> cb22, did you cast "summon grzywacz"? ;]
2007-12-11T22:37:13  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: how is your master thesis going? :)
2007-12-11T22:37:56  <cb23> grzywacz, heh, indeed
2007-12-11T22:38:05  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: those 2 tracebacks, is this all or are there even more?
2007-12-11T22:38:19  <cb23> i'm trying to see if i can get the jabber bot to work under freebsd again
2007-12-11T22:38:38  <cb23> if i can actually get something working, then i'm gonna pick up the windows task again
2007-12-11T22:39:11  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: you mean these : http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/ExportDump ?
2007-12-11T22:39:21  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-12-11T22:39:57  <bolekk> hmm you receive such traceback for every file with a linik to an attachement
2007-12-11T22:40:32  * dreimark does a new full dump
2007-12-11T22:41:05  <bolekk> I mean the first one, I didn't see the second one on my machine , and no other as well
2007-12-11T22:41:18  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, I am looking at the attachment stuff now. but the div by zero is fixed. the question is if there are others.
2007-12-11T22:42:00  <bolekk> I didn't see any, I'll try to do a full dump again
2007-12-11T22:42:23  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, very slowly.
2007-12-11T22:42:49  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I'm giving a talk on open source development in my uni on Friday, so that's what I'm currently focused on
2007-12-11T22:43:02  <grzywacz> cb23, ok, cool :)
2007-12-11T22:43:16  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: ah, dont you have a time limit? :)
2007-12-11T22:43:31  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, till June or something.
2007-12-11T22:43:38  <xorAxAx> thats a lot
2007-12-11T22:43:38  <grzywacz> No hurry.
2007-12-11T22:43:40  <grzywacz> yes
2007-12-11T22:46:00  <theredmonkey> the logo 'moinmoin_alpha.png' suits much better with my new stylesheet than 'moinmoin.png'
2007-12-11T22:46:02  <theredmonkey> Where can i change this?
2007-12-11T22:46:43  <ThomasWaldmann> logo_url in your config (or similar)
2007-12-11T22:48:04  <theredmonkey> no. I wnat to make it the default logo
2007-12-11T22:48:54  <theredmonkey> because moinmoin.png dosn't look goog in front of the new background
2007-12-11T22:50:17  <grzywacz> :)
2007-12-11T22:50:26  <grzywacz> theredmonkey, screenshots?
2007-12-11T22:52:28  <theredmonkey> http://nikolasbecker.de/stuff/moinmoin.png
2007-12-11T22:53:05  <cb23> theredmonkey, wow, looks nice
2007-12-11T22:54:32  <theredmonkey> thanks. my problem are the white pixels around the logo. 'moinmoin_aplha.png' does not have this problem ...
2007-12-11T22:54:58  <dreimark> theredmonkey: see  http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/LogoHasSharpEdges
2007-12-11T22:56:09  <theredmonkey> does this mean I have nothing to change?
2007-12-11T22:57:08  <dreimark> try one of the bicubic ones
2007-12-11T22:59:02  <theredmonkey> yes they solve the problem
2007-12-11T23:02:33  <theredmonkey> ok. now i' going to make the diff: What does the 'tip' in 'hg export -o mypatchfile tip' mean?
2007-12-11T23:02:41  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we should think on exchanging too (dark themes)
2007-12-11T23:05:23  <dreimark> theredmonkey: tip -> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/Tip
2007-12-11T23:07:32  <bolekk> Dump done, all errors are pretty much the same, like:  TypeError: <lambda>() got an unexpected keyword argument 'addts'  ,  the only difference i that argument being "addts" ,"do" or "escaped"
2007-12-11T23:07:41  <ThomasWaldmann> theredmonkey: nice :)
2007-12-11T23:08:00  <dreimark> ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.6/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81)
2007-12-11T23:08:12  <dreimark> mine is not completed
2007-12-11T23:08:29  <theredmonkey> thanks. does this mean I have to change the tip manually or just enter 'tip'? I'm confused
2007-12-11T23:08:41  <dreimark> whatever this means
2007-12-11T23:09:16  <dreimark> the page before Writing "Foreldrel(c3b8)seSider.html"...
2007-12-11T23:10:06  <bolekk> no error on that page
2007-12-11T23:10:13  <dreimark> theredmonkey: if you have done  hg pull the recent revision is tip
2007-12-11T23:10:36  <dreimark> you do just a diff against tip
2007-12-11T23:11:33  * ThomasWaldmann dumps moinmo.in
2007-12-11T23:14:41  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: added one more
2007-12-11T23:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> same cause
2007-12-11T23:16:00  <ThomasWaldmann> that tracebacks one gets on the screen?
2007-12-11T23:16:33  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: two, erro_log
2007-12-11T23:16:43  <theredmonkey> what should I do with the images I've used?
2007-12-11T23:17:13  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: *** Caught exception while writing page!
2007-12-11T23:17:20  <dreimark> currently none on screen
2007-12-11T23:22:21  * dreimark at K(c3ad)v(c3a1)ntLapok.html
2007-12-11T23:23:00  <bolekk> dreimark: are you doing the dump of the whole moinmo.in ?
2007-12-11T23:23:54  <dreimark> bolekk: yeah but on my local copy
2007-12-11T23:24:02  <dreimark> and i d oahve here a slow machine
2007-12-11T23:24:54  <dreimark> as I stated before I like coding on slow machines you try yourself to be efficient
2007-12-11T23:25:34  <bolekk> I remember :)
2007-12-11T23:25:53  <bolekk> I did the dupm of only the files I got with the sources
2007-12-11T23:27:33  <dreimark> and it is quite expensive to beat the machines I can use from my office ;) I like this kind of balance
2007-12-11T23:31:16  <dreimark> most code I developed where done on less powerfull machines
2007-12-11T23:31:55  <bolekk> are you involved in some projects except moin ?
2007-12-11T23:32:50  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/ImageLink?action=show the converter did quite some stuff wrong there. is this content still needed? one usually does not see it because of the redirect...
2007-12-11T23:34:16  * dreimark checks
2007-12-11T23:37:00  <theredmonkey> ok. can s.o. check out http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=77#c5 I'm note sure that I attaced all needing data
2007-12-11T23:37:44  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we should refactor that page to a discussion or something similiar
2007-12-11T23:39:54  <dreimark> bolekk: I do maintain a scientific library for idl/gdl at fz-juelich
2007-12-11T23:40:54  <dreimark> gnu data language for scientific data is in development and not finshed yet
2007-12-11T23:41:32  <dreimark> idl is propitary
2007-12-11T23:41:42  <cb23> grzywacz, ping
2007-12-11T23:42:04  <dreimark> our sources are GNU Library General Public License.
2007-12-11T23:42:54  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I can do this tomorrow
2007-12-11T23:43:58  <cb23> looks like it works :)
2007-12-11T23:44:02  <dreimark> bolekk: http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg-1/idl_icglib/idl_lib_intro.html
2007-12-11T23:44:47  <bolekk> dreimark: thanks
2007-12-11T23:48:56  <bolekk> dreimark: what should I do with my GHOP task ?
2007-12-11T23:49:47  <dreimark> how much wok is it to fetch the css file if one enters the wiki url?
2007-12-11T23:49:51  <dreimark> work
2007-12-11T23:50:58  <xorAxAx> 23:22:29 -!- Irssi: New peak in #moin-dev@freenode : 32
2007-12-11T23:51:22  <bolekk> but why do i need this wiki-url for theme css files ??
2007-12-11T23:51:25  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2427:e377386d4913 1.6/MoinMoin/script/export/dump.py: moin export dump: added kw args to _attachment(), fixes exception when dumping pages
2007-12-11T23:51:27  <xorAxAx> dreimark: its not possible because you dont know which images/css files are referred
2007-12-11T23:51:37  <xorAxAx> dreimark: and you cant always browse the http server
2007-12-11T23:51:45  <xorAxAx> so please stop blocking the student with useless ideas
2007-12-11T23:53:16  <theredmonkey> bye
2007-12-11T23:53:57  <bolekk> ok but I would be glad if i understood the issue,  I thought that wiki-url leads to moin pages, and  url_prefix_static leads to theme-related files  independently...
2007-12-11T23:54:20  <dreimark> xorAxAx: please explain
2007-12-11T23:54:38  <xorAxAx> dreimark: the css files refer to images and you need those as well
2007-12-11T23:54:50  <xorAxAx> but how do you know which of those you need without parsing the css?
2007-12-11T23:55:02  <dreimark> you need the base dir
2007-12-11T23:55:08  <dreimark> modern
2007-12-11T23:55:11  <xorAxAx> ?
2007-12-11T23:55:28  <dreimark> thats in the html file
2007-12-11T23:55:29  <xorAxAx> you dont know which files are below a certain http url
2007-12-11T23:55:51  <dreimark> wget knows
2007-12-11T23:55:55  <xorAxAx> no
2007-12-11T23:56:00  <xorAxAx> .oO(ARGH!)
2007-12-11T23:56:04  <dreimark> save as of FF knows
2007-12-11T23:57:07  <dreimark> we do come faster to a solution if you tell youre knowledge xorAxAx
2007-12-11T23:57:50  <dreimark> s/come/get/
2007-12-11T23:58:09  <xorAxAx> i tried to explain it to you
2007-12-11T23:58:24  <dreimark> why does FF know
2007-12-11T23:58:27  <dreimark> ?
2007-12-11T23:58:29  <xorAxAx> and for the first time, you need nearly 40 minutes until you realised that you were wrong ...
2007-12-11T23:58:42  <xorAxAx> its not exactly refreshing to spend time on this
2007-12-11T23:58:45  <dreimark> no because i entered the wiki url
2007-12-11T23:58:58  <dreimark> and  irecognized later it is optional
2007-12-11T23:59:05  <xorAxAx> good night
2007-12-11T23:59:28  <dreimark> sleep well xorAxAx (nice dreams)