MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-12

2007-12-12T00:00:02  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can you explain what I do miss
2007-12-12T00:01:14  <grzywacz> cb23, pong
2007-12-12T00:03:48  <grzywacz> <dreimark> wget knows
2007-12-12T00:03:50  <grzywacz> :D
2007-12-12T00:05:11  <cb23> grzywacz, hmm, it doesnt wanna notify me :/
2007-12-12T00:06:21  <grzywacz> cb23, check the notification preferences
2007-12-12T00:06:28  <grzywacz> cb23, make sure you have jabber notifications selected
2007-12-12T00:06:33  <grzywacz> (for your user)
2007-12-12T00:06:49  <grzywacz> Also, it won't notify you about page changes you do yourself :), so you need a 2nd user to do that
2007-12-12T00:06:50  <cb23> yep, all selected
2007-12-12T00:06:54  <cb23> ah
2007-12-12T00:06:56  <cb23> right :)
2007-12-12T00:07:28  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i worked on the code and did not follow the discussion
2007-12-12T00:09:21  <grzywacz> Channel logs don't work?
2007-12-12T00:14:02  <dreimark> ok
2007-12-12T00:14:22  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: those table lines around the logo don't look too pretty, if you have some time left, can you add some style to remove them?
2007-12-12T00:14:54  <ThomasWaldmann> (don't change tables in the content area, please)
2007-12-12T00:17:11  <bolekk> you mean table border around the logo AND around page title ?
2007-12-12T00:17:27  <bolekk> or just around logo ?
2007-12-12T00:18:27  <dreimark> grzywacz: e.g. wget -k  http://moinmo.in/StartSeite
2007-12-12T00:20:11  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: both
2007-12-12T00:20:52  <ernestas> ThomasWaldmann, have you tried to set the password to |\/|99b5Uy5 once again?
2007-12-12T00:21:16  <ernestas> I got error 500 only on the second try
2007-12-12T00:22:43  <cb23> grzywacz, hmm, still not getting notifications :/
2007-12-12T00:22:53  <cb23> the bot adds me perfectly and everything though
2007-12-12T00:22:56  <cb23> and i can talk to it
2007-12-12T00:23:15  <grzywacz> cb23, are you subscribed to the page you're editing?
2007-12-12T00:23:21  <cb23> yep
2007-12-12T00:23:43  <grzywacz> Nothing on the console?
2007-12-12T00:25:01  <cb23> hmm, all of a sudden moin.py wont start anymore
2007-12-12T00:25:18  <grzywacz> cb23, if that's the port issue, you may have to wait a little bit
2007-12-12T00:25:43  <cb23> port issue?
2007-12-12T00:25:52  <ThomasWaldmann> ernestas: it worked for me. i set it, saved, logged out, logged in.
2007-12-12T00:26:17  <grzywacz> cb23, why does it fails? Unable to bind?
2007-12-12T00:26:21  <grzywacz> *fail
2007-12-12T00:26:30  <ernestas> hm, strange.
2007-12-12T00:27:10  <cb23> grzywacz, hmm, its not failing, its just not working
2007-12-12T00:27:18  <cb23> anyways, i see someone else has already claimed the task
2007-12-12T00:28:20  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: Load has problems:
2007-12-12T00:28:22  <ThomasWaldmann>   File "/srv/moin_tw/moin-1.6-main/MoinMoin/action/Load.py", line 86, in do_action
2007-12-12T00:28:25  <ThomasWaldmann>     filecontent = unicode(filecontent, config.charset)
2007-12-12T00:28:28  <ThomasWaldmann> TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported
2007-12-12T00:28:53  <grzywacz> cb23, his deadline is for today... :\
2007-12-12T00:29:01  <cb23> yeah, i saw
2007-12-12T00:29:01  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: another one:
2007-12-12T00:29:03  <ThomasWaldmann>   File "/srv/moin_tw/moin-1.6-main/MoinMoin/action/Load.py", line 86, in do_action
2007-12-12T00:29:06  <ThomasWaldmann>     filecontent = unicode(filecontent, config.charset)
2007-12-12T00:29:09  <ThomasWaldmann> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xa1 in position 6: unexpected code byte
2007-12-12T00:30:53  <dreimark> argh
2007-12-12T00:32:58  <ThomasWaldmann> what's curious is that one time it has str, the other time it has unicode
2007-12-12T00:33:30  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what kind of file ?
2007-12-12T00:34:31  <ThomasWaldmann> no idea, it is from moin.log
2007-12-12T00:37:41  <dreimark> hmm, uploaded this one http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer/ExampleTxt
2007-12-12T00:38:51  <dreimark> will try some others tomorrow
2007-12-12T00:39:50  <dreimark> xorAxAx: for a new issue doing it similliar to  wget -k  http://moinmo.in/StartSeite
2007-12-12T00:43:48  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: it seems that styles for <table> in those css files are blocking the styles i try to define, I;m too tired to think now, I'll figure it out tomorrow and attach on the google page
2007-12-12T00:45:21  <dreimark> I think I better get some nice dreams too
2007-12-12T00:45:25  <dreimark> gn all
2007-12-12T00:47:49  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2007-12-12T00:48:29  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: use a div around or own class or something. do not change content table style.
2007-12-12T00:48:54  <ThomasWaldmann> (or inline style directly in that <table> element)
2007-12-12T00:59:04  <bolekk> ok, it was a matter of TD not TABEL
2007-12-12T00:59:15  <bolekk> shall I put in the google site ?
2007-12-12T01:05:08  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: ok, it's there, check it and in case something's still wrong leave me a message there please
2007-12-12T01:05:14  <bolekk> good night
2007-12-12T01:15:48  <grzywacz> night
2007-12-12T01:51:05  * cb23 yawns
2007-12-12T01:51:23  <cb23> i _really_ should start going to bed earlier!
2007-12-12T01:55:55  <ernestas> why should you?
2007-12-12T01:56:46  <cb23> ernestas, i dunno, i just shoukd ;)
2007-12-12T01:56:52  <cb23> 3am here
2007-12-12T01:56:59  <ernestas> 3am here as well
2007-12-12T01:57:17  <cb23> heh, what you doing ernestas?
2007-12-12T01:57:27  <ernestas> ehm, writing
2007-12-12T01:57:28  <ernestas> I
2007-12-12T01:57:37  <ernestas> ups. I've just finished my report
2007-12-12T01:57:44  <ernestas> about usability testing
2007-12-12T01:58:02  <cb23> you see, thats productive :)
2007-12-12T01:58:09  <cb23> i'm just on irc reading slashdot and digg
2007-12-12T01:58:16  <ernestas> well, not much ;) http://moinmo.in/ErnestasLiubarskij/UsabilityTesting
2007-12-12T01:58:41  <ernestas> it would be nice if someone could review it
2007-12-12T01:58:54  * cb23 has a look
2007-12-12T01:58:59  <ernestas> thanks
2007-12-12T01:59:42  <ernestas> feel free to edit
2007-12-12T02:00:52  <cb23> looks good so far
2007-12-12T02:02:14  <ernestas> If it seems ok to you, I will submit it to google code.
2007-12-12T02:03:00  <cb23> nice work :)
2007-12-12T02:03:01  <ernestas> ThomasWaldmann, could you take a quick look as well?
2007-12-12T02:03:09  <ernestas> thanks :)
2007-12-12T02:03:35  <cb23> ernestas, are you Lithuanian?
2007-12-12T02:03:42  <ernestas> yes
2007-12-12T02:03:48  <ernestas> where are you from?
2007-12-12T02:04:00  <cb23> south africa / italy
2007-12-12T02:04:14  <ernestas> it's hot there, isn't it?
2007-12-12T02:04:18  <cb23> yep
2007-12-12T02:04:26  <cb23> but no lions running around :p
2007-12-12T02:04:31  <ernestas> hehe
2007-12-12T02:04:56  <cb23> ernestas, if you want to add a little irritating issue that i have with moin, whenever you create a user account
2007-12-12T02:05:04  <cb23> you have to login manually afterwords
2007-12-12T02:05:21  <cb23> its _really_ irritating
2007-12-12T02:06:41  <ernestas> is it? you have to do this only once
2007-12-12T02:07:18  <cb23> i know, but i suppose thats not really on the user side, more in testing and the like
2007-12-12T02:07:40  <cb23> like when i had to create lots of accounts, etc, to create them and then have to login with them gets irritating
2007-12-12T02:11:37  <cb23> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458
2007-12-12T02:11:38  <cb23> lol
2007-12-12T02:12:32  <ernestas> yeah, really lol
2007-12-12T02:13:34  <cb23> you on school holidays ernestas?
2007-12-12T02:14:13  <ernestas> no, I'm not. I'm a bit ill
2007-12-12T02:14:45  <ernestas> so I can allow myself to stay late
2007-12-12T02:15:03  <cb23> ernestas, ouch
2007-12-12T02:15:11  <cb23> school holidays here (yay!)
2007-12-12T02:15:40  <ernestas> well, mine will be after one and a half of week
2007-12-12T02:15:58  <ernestas> that's soon enough :)
2007-12-12T02:16:05  <cb23> hehe, how long?
2007-12-12T02:16:09  <ernestas> 2 weeks
2007-12-12T02:16:17  <ernestas> as usual
2007-12-12T02:16:34  <cb23> and your summer ones?
2007-12-12T02:16:51  <ernestas> 2 months
2007-12-12T02:16:55  <cb23> lucky
2007-12-12T02:16:57  <cb23> 1 month or so
2007-12-12T02:17:11  <ernestas> but you have longer winter ones, right?
2007-12-12T02:17:19  <cb23> nope
2007-12-12T02:17:23  <ernestas> oh
2007-12-12T02:17:25  <cb23> 6 weeks summer holidays
2007-12-12T02:17:32  <cb23> 4 week winter
2007-12-12T02:17:45  <ernestas> well, that's quite equal
2007-12-12T02:17:47  <cb23> 1 week automn
2007-12-12T02:17:50  <cb23> 2 week spring
2007-12-12T02:53:38  <ernestas> have a good night
2007-12-12T03:00:02  <cb23> night all
2007-12-12T04:19:53  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2428:0052398e48a0 1.6/MoinMoin/script/export/dump.py: adapting moin export dump to the current heading style (removing duplicate h1), thanks to Boleslaw Kulbabinski
2007-12-12T08:59:59  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-12T09:07:40  <ninnnu> moin
2007-12-12T09:31:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-12T10:05:56  <dreimark> any opinions to photoshop for the  Design a poster... issue
2007-12-12T10:06:43  <dreimark> about
2007-12-12T11:04:58  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: see http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.7devLoadFailsWithTraceback
2007-12-12T11:05:55  <dreimark> if you try to load an image as page content you get because of'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x89 in position 0: unexpected code byte.
2007-12-12T11:46:11  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yeah, that's clear, but there is that other traceback where it complains about unicode
2007-12-12T11:47:32  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i would like to have the poster in an editable format (without buying photoshop)
2007-12-12T12:01:32  <xorAxAx> who chose photoshop?
2007-12-12T12:09:43  <ThomasWaldmann> see issue 87
2007-12-12T12:10:12  * ThomasWaldmann has no idea about the file formats photoshop can save and work with
2007-12-12T12:11:13  <xorAxAx> well, it doesnt make sense to /only/ use photoshop
2007-12-12T12:11:22  <xorAxAx> likewise it doesnt make sense to only use gimp
2007-12-12T12:11:27  <xorAxAx> i gave him an answer
2007-12-12T12:12:55  * cb24 just realized that he got up at 1pm
2007-12-12T12:13:25  <xorAxAx> good morning cb24 :)
2007-12-12T12:14:04  <cb24> hehe, morning xorAxAx
2007-12-12T12:19:15  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you want to close #44 when the bug is closed?
2007-12-12T12:19:20  <xorAxAx> or did you forget the change
2007-12-12T12:20:37  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: the first
2007-12-12T12:21:44  <xorAxAx> thats not directly visible from your comment IMHO :)
2007-12-12T12:22:07  * xorAxAx adds a comment about that
2007-12-12T12:22:42  <ThomasWaldmann> it is in the task deliverables.
2007-12-12T12:22:47  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-12-12T12:22:54  <cb24> ThomasWaldmann, don't suppose you've had time to check out my screencast yet?
2007-12-12T12:24:10  <ThomasWaldmann> i have seen the first half two times at least :)
2007-12-12T12:24:16  <cb24> hehe
2007-12-12T12:24:34  <cb24> well, its now up with flvplayer, so you can wait for it to load and then skip :)
2007-12-12T12:33:41  * ThomasWaldmann thought about adding a en/de uptodate-checking and translation task
2007-12-12T12:40:46  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: sounds good
2007-12-12T12:41:25  <ThomasWaldmann> I am not quite sure about how much work it is, though (and how much needs to get updated).
2007-12-12T12:45:25  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, let's just try :)
2007-12-12T13:12:22  <ernestas> I've made a few changes. What else should I do? (UsabilityTesting)
2007-12-12T13:12:49  <xorAxAx> ernestas: i will have a look at it in the early evening
2007-12-12T13:12:54  * ThomasWaldmann added 94
2007-12-12T13:13:16  <ernestas> well...
2007-12-12T13:13:38  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i will add another with SystemPagesXXGroup cleanup
2007-12-12T13:19:44  <ernestas> Have you heard any news from Lithuanian translator?
2007-12-12T13:23:41  <xorAxAx> ernestas: no
2007-12-12T13:23:52  <xorAxAx> but its due on 14th
2007-12-12T13:30:17  * ThomasWaldmann added 95
2007-12-12T13:35:47  <ThomasWaldmann> ernestas: your page looks much better now. I will have a more detailed look at it later today.
2007-12-12T13:35:55  <ernestas> ok, thanks
2007-12-12T13:36:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ernestas: maybe add that pragma that enables the discussion subpage link
2007-12-12T13:38:15  <ThomasWaldmann> see http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration/SupplementationPage
2007-12-12T13:39:08  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-12T13:43:02  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-12-12T13:44:24  <grzybacz> moin
2007-12-12T13:45:29  <ernestas> moin
2007-12-12T14:07:25  <xorAxAx> moin grzybacz
2007-12-12T14:17:43  <ernestas> my Internet connection is really horrible...
2007-12-12T14:17:50  <ernestas> ThomasWaldmann, thanks for the comments :)
2007-12-12T14:27:25  <ernestas> I will show them to my friends after they come from schools
2007-12-12T14:37:32  * dreimark comments on 44
2007-12-12T14:39:45  <dreimark> I do wonder about "Note: You are using 2 uncommon labels. "
2007-12-12T18:35:45  <xorAxAx> johill: hmm, well, not very helpful mail by him - also i dont understand why is using a wrapper at all if it doesnt do anything special :)
2007-12-12T18:36:20  <johill> I forgot, but there was a reason we needed a wrapper
2007-12-12T18:36:25  <johill> I think it was the working directory change
2007-12-12T18:36:56  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-12-12T18:37:09  <johill> also the memory/cpu limits of course
2007-12-12T18:37:24  <xorAxAx> well, he killed them
2007-12-12T18:37:24  <johill> why it segfaults is beyond me, I haven't written windows programs in almost 1e1 years
2007-12-12T18:37:38  <xorAxAx> also it doesnt look like one of the functions can change the wd :)
2007-12-12T18:37:56  <johill> yeah heh
2007-12-12T18:38:05  <johill> maybe there was a different reason
2007-12-12T18:57:08  <ernestas> xorAxAx, could you take a look at my work?
2007-12-12T18:57:29  <xorAxAx> ernestas: did you review and integrate ThomasWaldmann comments?
2007-12-12T18:57:37  <ernestas> yes
2007-12-12T18:57:43  <ernestas> 5 hours ago :)
2007-12-12T18:58:23  <xorAxAx> ok
2007-12-12T18:58:23  <ernestas> oh wait. do you mean those in the discussion?
2007-12-12T18:58:35  <ernestas> I didn't do anything with them
2007-12-12T18:58:38  <ernestas> should I?
2007-12-12T19:00:07  <ernestas> xorAxAx, what should I do with them?
2007-12-12T19:01:23  <xorAxAx> hmm, the text is still missing paragraphs
2007-12-12T19:01:35  <ernestas> hm?
2007-12-12T19:01:36  <xorAxAx> in moin you start a new paragraph by having an empty line
2007-12-12T19:01:41  <xorAxAx> paragraph breaks
2007-12-12T19:01:51  <ernestas> wait a sec
2007-12-12T19:02:13  <ernestas> should I make more paragraphs?
2007-12-12T19:02:21  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-12T19:02:28  <ernestas> oh my. how many?
2007-12-12T19:02:38  <xorAxAx> i mean, you should press enter more often
2007-12-12T19:02:44  <xorAxAx> at places where it makes sense
2007-12-12T19:03:08  <xorAxAx> (i learned that with 11 years in school how important paragraph breaks are :))
2007-12-12T19:03:12  <ernestas> ok, I'll try to do that. I thought it was enough.
2007-12-12T19:03:23  <xorAxAx> i dont see a single one :)
2007-12-12T19:04:06  <ernestas> do you mean I have to split every text separated by the header into more paragraphs? right?
2007-12-12T19:04:14  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-12T19:04:17  <ernestas> ok..
2007-12-12T19:05:25  <xorAxAx> and then please link your wiki page from the wiki page referenced from the task description
2007-12-12T19:07:11  <ernestas> I believed those pieces of text were paragraphs already :)
2007-12-12T19:07:54  <xorAxAx> you mean the sections separated by headings? they are only sections with one very long pararaph each
2007-12-12T19:08:18  <ernestas> yes. oh, ok, now I'll know that
2007-12-12T19:13:00  <cb22> doesn't it ever freak you about how google's ads work
2007-12-12T19:13:31  <cb22> like i searched for something totally random, go to my gmail, and bam, theres an advert for it at the top
2007-12-12T19:13:41  <xorAxAx> well, i dont use gmail
2007-12-12T19:20:07  <ernestas> xorAxAx, is it ok now?
2007-12-12T19:21:29  <ernestas> wait, it's somehow not saved yet
2007-12-12T19:22:17  <ernestas> ok, now it's saved
2007-12-12T19:37:35  <xorAxAx> you didnt add the link, yet
2007-12-12T19:41:19  <ernestas> I didn't. I've just asked about paragraphs. Are they ok?
2007-12-12T19:46:43  <ernestas> I've added the link.
2007-12-12T19:48:34  <xorAxAx> well, they are nearly finished, at the end they are too short :)
2007-12-12T19:48:59  <ernestas> ok, I think so too
2007-12-12T19:52:25  <ernestas> and how are they now?
2007-12-12T19:54:22  <xorAxAx> fine, i closed your task
2007-12-12T19:54:58  <ernestas> ok, thank you for all your help :)
2007-12-12T20:49:46  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-12T20:53:47  <cb22> moin ThomasWaldmann
2007-12-12T22:39:03  <cb22> cc
2007-12-12T22:43:23  <cb22> oops