MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-29

2007-12-29T00:43:54  <grzybacz> xorAxAx
2007-12-29T00:44:00  <xorAxAx> grzybacz:
2007-12-29T00:44:47  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: when does ghop end?
2007-12-29T00:45:28  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: late january
2007-12-29T00:46:40  <grzybacz> I see, thanks.
2007-12-29T00:46:56  <kikka> Hello there
2007-12-29T00:47:07  <kikka> Ohmygod, ghop
2007-12-29T00:47:50  <grzybacz> hi there, OMG!
2007-12-29T00:47:57  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-29T01:34:41  <dreimark> kikka: hurry up
2007-12-29T01:53:37  <dreimark> good night
2007-12-29T11:41:26  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-29T11:45:04  <theredmonkey> moin
2007-12-29T14:25:48  <kikka> Moin
2007-12-29T14:26:00  <dreimark> moin kikka
2007-12-29T15:49:34  <ernestas> moin
2007-12-29T15:51:11  <ernestas> anybody at home?
2007-12-29T15:58:20  <xorAxAx> no
2007-12-29T15:59:23  <ernestas> I thought so...
2007-12-29T15:59:38  <ernestas> everybody's at C3, right
2007-12-29T16:00:12  <xorAxAx> dreimark is not
2007-12-29T16:00:21  <ernestas> dreimark !!!
2007-12-29T16:07:11  <kikka> huh?
2007-12-29T16:10:07  <xorAxAx> kikka: your task is due tomorrow :)
2007-12-29T16:15:56  <kikka> I see.
2007-12-29T16:28:58  <ernestas> CIA is back. hehe.
2007-12-29T16:57:42  <ernestas> moin starshine
2007-12-29T17:09:49  <starshine> hello :)
2007-12-29T17:10:01  <starshine> moin xorAxAx
2007-12-29T17:10:11  <xorAxAx> moin heather
2007-12-29T17:12:47  <starshine> how many of the patches on MoinMoinPatch are still suitable for 1.6 ?
2007-12-29T17:13:18  <starshine> or have been absorbed? (is that what 'applied patches' means?)
2007-12-29T17:14:08  <bolekk> moin
2007-12-29T17:14:36  <ernestas> moin bolekk :)
2007-12-29T17:14:37  <xorAxAx> starshine: yes, thats it. and for the others one has to try
2007-12-29T17:15:01  <ernestas> xorAxAx: how's C3?
2007-12-29T17:15:12  <ernestas> enjoying it? :)
2007-12-29T17:17:34  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-29T17:18:47  <starshine> xorAxAx: ok, I should improve the text there then;  'applied patches' might be taken as ones prepared so that they are easy to apply via patch command
2007-12-29T17:20:40  <xorAxAx> feel free to add an explanation :)
2007-12-29T17:22:54  <theredmonkey> noin
2007-12-29T17:23:27  <ernestas> hehe. not moin? ;)
2007-12-29T17:24:37  <ernestas> I mean: noin = not moin :)
2007-12-29T17:25:25  <starshine> xorAxAx: doing so now :)
2007-12-29T17:49:45  <bolekk> grzywacz: hi, I'm working on this XEP-0115 now and I have a question
2007-12-29T17:51:47  <grzywacz> bolekk, hello. Go ahead.
2007-12-29T17:51:56  <grzywacz> I may lag a little because I'm cooking atm.
2007-12-29T17:53:31  <bolekk> grzywacz: Will it be okay to: firstly create a <query> tag with bot's features, then send it to capat.py:hash_iq to compute 'ver' (needs some changes not to receive an Iq but an xmlNode) and then wrap it into Iq response and send it (after having some user's JID) ?
2007-12-29T17:57:18  <bolekk> grzywacz: another solution is to create the whole <Iq> at the beginning and then just change "to" and "id" before sending, but the former one seems more elegant to me , what do you think ?
2007-12-29T17:59:35  <grzywacz> bolekk, you may want to take a look at pyxmpp.iq.Iq.make_result_response
2007-12-29T18:00:06  <grzywacz> bolekk, that + generate_ver from capat.py should do the trick, I think.
2007-12-29T18:02:11  <starshine> Hrm. CategoryMarket is empty? :(
2007-12-29T18:10:20  <dreimark> moin ernestas
2007-12-29T18:12:45  <ernestas> moin dreimark
2007-12-29T18:12:49  <bolekk> grzywacz: hmm, but it also needs a pre-created xmlNode with features to insert it into <Iq>... And with that solution hash_iq() becomes unused yes ? And we have to pack all the faetures into some tuples to use generate_ver(), hash_iq is more convenient imho...
2007-12-29T18:13:13  <ernestas> dreimark: Could you review my issue #50?
2007-12-29T18:14:25  <starshine> xorAxAx: we really should update the LanguagesPackages
2007-12-29T18:14:50  * cb22 updates #92
2007-12-29T18:15:40  * dreimark comments on 66
2007-12-29T18:16:20  * ernestas just sits and waits
2007-12-29T18:17:09  <ThomasWaldmann> we'll meet at ca. 1915 between cloak room (garderobe) and hack center downstairs
2007-12-29T18:17:41  <dreimark> ernestas: will do (after some cooking)
2007-12-29T18:18:19  <ernestas> dreimark: ok. Have a good lunch/dinner.
2007-12-29T18:36:42  * dreimark reading #50
2007-12-29T18:37:21  <dreimark> ernestas: are this two legends ?
2007-12-29T18:37:32  <ernestas> hm?
2007-12-29T18:38:26  <ernestas> what two legends?
2007-12-29T18:39:14  <dreimark> you have used signs in a table to describe the situation
2007-12-29T18:39:25  <ernestas> yes, I have
2007-12-29T18:39:36  <ernestas> something's wrong with that
2007-12-29T18:39:37  <ernestas> ?
2007-12-29T18:39:51  <dreimark> I do not see in the table below the first sign of first line
2007-12-29T18:41:17  <ernestas> dreimark: emh. I see everything.. but what should I do with that?
2007-12-29T18:41:28  <ernestas> put them out of the table?
2007-12-29T18:42:09  <dreimark> Here are the results is ok
2007-12-29T18:42:36  <dreimark> but I do want to have a clear description for  {2}, {X} ... used
2007-12-29T18:42:49  <ernestas> ah
2007-12-29T18:43:17  <dreimark> you have currently two descriptions and they don't match
2007-12-29T18:43:20  <dreimark> {2} There's another kind of this bug. The .png gets updated, but th
2007-12-29T18:43:29  <dreimark> || {2} ||The second kind of this bug could be seen||
2007-12-29T18:43:56  <ernestas> ok, I'll just replace the second one with the first one. It should ten look better
2007-12-29T18:44:03  <ernestas> *then
2007-12-29T18:45:05  <dreimark> I would prefer some text explaining what this page is for.
2007-12-29T18:45:15  <dreimark> then summarized how you tested
2007-12-29T18:45:37  <dreimark> then a legend / caption describing the used icons
2007-12-29T18:45:44  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T18:45:51  <dreimark> then the table with the result
2007-12-29T18:49:21  <dreimark> ernestas: it always fails with MS? There is no case where it seems to work?
2007-12-29T18:49:41  <ernestas> MS Java works only with MSIE and it fails...
2007-12-29T18:50:30  <ernestas> and it is not used by default in Windows XP SP1/SP2. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/default.mspx
2007-12-29T18:53:39  <ernestas> dreimark: could you look at the page now?
2007-12-29T18:54:45  <starshine> hm.  'language en' is not a good indicator of which pages in underlay are in English.  resorting to actually reading the SystemPagesInEnglishGroup page.
2007-12-29T18:55:41  <ernestas> starshine: yeah, translators sometimes forget to update language:
2007-12-29T18:56:38  <starshine> well on the page I was looking at I can't blame them.  most of it's xml actually
2007-12-29T18:56:50  <starshine> which means strictly speaking it's technese not english ;P
2007-12-29T18:56:59  <ernestas> hehe :)
2007-12-29T18:57:19  <dreimark> ernestas: I think regarding to the bug description it makes sense to separate the cases where you are not able to use which java version
2007-12-29T18:57:43  <dreimark> because if they don't fit together you won't get a result anyway
2007-12-29T18:57:59  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T18:59:20  <dreimark> you can write a line about not able to run firefox and opera with the java from MS
2007-12-29T18:59:36  <ernestas> yes, I have done that :)
2007-12-29T19:00:30  <ernestas> "I could not test Firefox/Opera with MS Java, because only IE actually works with this Java."
2007-12-29T19:00:59  <ernestas> and I'll remove "the bug could not be reproduced" from the legend
2007-12-29T19:01:05  <ernestas> as it's not used anyway
2007-12-29T19:01:15  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-29T19:01:39  <ernestas> yes, it looks much better now :)
2007-12-29T19:02:07  <dreimark> please add a summary at the bottom.
2007-12-29T19:02:32  <dreimark> e.g. while sun java with browsers is able to save it is not reloaded ---
2007-12-29T19:02:36  <dreimark> ...
2007-12-29T19:02:41  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T19:03:11  <dreimark> and use some headings
2007-12-29T19:03:53  <ernestas> that's a difficult part. hehe. ok...
2007-12-29T19:04:36  <dreimark> starshine: after the n-categorizer is implemented we will be able to find pages by languages ;)
2007-12-29T19:08:28  <starshine> dreimark: that page I was looking at would make it tough, lots of the 'words' really are english (bits of xml attributes), but maybe 2 or 3 words are foreign.
2007-12-29T19:08:32  <dreimark> ernestas: {X} could be replaced by {1}
2007-12-29T19:09:06  <starshine> I *think* I've gotten everything.
2007-12-29T19:09:15  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-29T19:09:17  <ernestas> dreimark: I have done that previously, but then thought that X would be better :) Ok, I'll do that.
2007-12-29T19:10:56  <dreimark> ernestas: if you have to different bugs signs of the same family are better
2007-12-29T19:11:26  <dreimark> if there are bugs and others then you change the family
2007-12-29T19:12:03  <ernestas> well, the second one is not actually a bug... it's more a feature, but it's not very useful in this case.
2007-12-29T19:13:16  <ernestas> dreimark: Is it better now?
2007-12-29T19:13:26  <dreimark> ||Browser||Java|| || <-- may be find a word to fill in
2007-12-29T19:13:44  <ernestas> hm. "the kind of the bug"?
2007-12-29T19:14:06  <dreimark> or only bug
2007-12-29T19:14:09  <dreimark> bug type
2007-12-29T19:14:17  <ernestas> yay, ok. thanks :)
2007-12-29T19:14:43  <dreimark> you can use a new wiki function to mark I have found another problem:
2007-12-29T19:14:55  <dreimark> a background color would be nice
2007-12-29T19:15:03  <dreimark> or a box
2007-12-29T19:15:20  * ernestas searched for that in help pages
2007-12-29T19:15:24  <ernestas> *searches
2007-12-29T19:15:25  <dreimark> Syntaxreference
2007-12-29T19:15:30  <dreimark> is easier
2007-12-29T19:15:32  <ernestas> thanks
2007-12-29T19:16:01  <dreimark> reread the summary
2007-12-29T19:16:08  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T19:16:08  <dreimark> and fix double words
2007-12-29T19:16:36  <ernestas> would yellow color be ok?
2007-12-29T19:17:20  <dreimark> it's ok
2007-12-29T19:19:37  <dreimark> starshine: didn't you made changes on master ?
2007-12-29T19:20:25  <ernestas> dreimark: I've updated my page
2007-12-29T19:20:46  <dreimark> cool
2007-12-29T19:21:07  <dreimark> can you share some links with us:
2007-12-29T19:21:18  <dreimark> MS Java is supported only until December 31, 2007
2007-12-29T19:21:24  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T19:21:48  <dreimark> and are there any discussion about this problem on th MS knowledge base
2007-12-29T19:23:12  <dreimark> because {2} if it updates is a workaround
2007-12-29T19:24:33  <dreimark> or the solution if it is only a MS config
2007-12-29T19:26:02  <ernestas> {2} could be worked around with Javascript
2007-12-29T19:26:24  <ernestas> but I don't thing you're going to use that :)
2007-12-29T19:26:28  <ernestas> *think
2007-12-29T19:26:43  <dreimark> did you searched the knowledge base about this behaviour ?
2007-12-29T19:27:01  <ernestas> {1} or {2}?
2007-12-29T19:27:09  <dreimark> {2}
2007-12-29T19:27:19  <dreimark> because {1} is dead in a few days
2007-12-29T19:27:28  <ernestas> :)
2007-12-29T19:28:27  <dreimark> make a nicer link -> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/default.mspx
2007-12-29T19:28:46  <ernestas> yep
2007-12-29T19:30:04  <ernestas> Is that ok?
2007-12-29T19:30:58  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-29T19:31:26  <dreimark> besides you should do it without my requests ;)
2007-12-29T19:31:40  <ernestas> should I? :)
2007-12-29T19:33:39  <ernestas> I'm not used to creating/editing (wiki) pages. But I'll do that if I have to post another link.
2007-12-29T19:34:53  <ernestas> dreimark: I have googled this workaround for {2}: http://www.webmaster-talk.com/html-forum/61406-why-gif-images-not-being-updated.html
2007-12-29T19:35:11  <ernestas> it's about gif, but I think it would work with png, too
2007-12-29T19:35:44  <ernestas> You can add:
2007-12-29T19:35:57  <starshine> dreimark: no, I was creating a local kit, so I have enough to know what to change, but I am working on the local thing first..
2007-12-29T19:36:21  <starshine> not least because I'll have to chase down which languages are the correct codes for the culprits
2007-12-29T19:37:12  <dreimark> starshine: ah, ok.
2007-12-29T19:37:29  <ernestas> dreimark: you would have to add some meta-tags... I'm not sure if you can do that only when drawings are created...
2007-12-29T19:38:13  <dreimark> ernestas: please add this as possible workaround for MS.
2007-12-29T19:38:34  <ernestas> that's not for MS :) that's for sun
2007-12-29T19:39:15  <dreimark> not for browsers on MS ?
2007-12-29T19:39:32  <dreimark> because on linux it works
2007-12-29T19:39:35  <ernestas> well, for all browsers
2007-12-29T19:39:40  <ernestas> ah, understood
2007-12-29T19:39:53  <ernestas> for windows then, not for ms :)
2007-12-29T19:40:19  <dreimark> right
2007-12-29T19:41:23  <dreimark> add "untested"
2007-12-29T19:41:41  <ernestas> where?
2007-12-29T19:42:18  <dreimark> if you add this meta or link to the workaround section
2007-12-29T19:43:58  <ernestas> dreimark: I have added a note about that workaround. Is it ok?
2007-12-29T19:44:54  <dreimark> fine, I have already closed the issue #50
2007-12-29T19:45:00  <ernestas> ok, thanks
2007-12-29T19:45:38  <dreimark> but I think we should add this page in raw text to the traccer, so I will open it again, or?
2007-12-29T19:46:12  <ernestas> I've posted a link there. Isn't that enough?
2007-12-29T19:46:59  <dreimark> I am not sure, I think it ies better to add the text. I don't know how they reread this stuff
2007-12-29T19:47:14  <dreimark> s/ies/is/
2007-12-29T19:47:42  <dreimark> you can use action=raw or action=print and doing a pdf file
2007-12-29T19:48:47  <ernestas> that's not a requirement (it's not posted in the issue). But ok, if that's needed...
2007-12-29T19:48:47  <dreimark> ernestas: reopened
2007-12-29T19:48:54  <starshine> InterWikiMap stub page is missing in underlay tarball.
2007-12-29T19:49:26  <dreimark> starshine: it can be a page now too
2007-12-29T19:49:53  <ernestas> dreimark: can I add .txt instead? I don't have any PDF creation software. Or could PDF be created with a browser?
2007-12-29T19:50:20  <dreimark> ernestas:
2007-12-29T19:50:28  <dreimark> do you have linux ?
2007-12-29T19:50:40  <dreimark> you can use text too
2007-12-29T19:51:01  <ernestas> well... I have... but I would re-install my grub...
2007-12-29T19:51:17  <ernestas> because I have installed windows and it erased my MBR :))
2007-12-29T19:51:28  <dreimark> damn windows
2007-12-29T19:51:31  <ernestas> yeah
2007-12-29T19:51:34  <dreimark> then add the text
2007-12-29T19:51:40  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T19:52:38  <starshine> dreimark: I don't know what to put on it?
2007-12-29T19:53:05  <starshine> or is the fact it can be in a wiki's local data tree why it was left out of underlay?
2007-12-29T19:53:10  <dreimark> http://master.moinmo.in/InterWikiMap
2007-12-29T19:53:49  <ernestas> dreimark: I have added the raw text.
2007-12-29T19:55:46  <dreimark> ernestas: ok, closed
2007-12-29T19:55:50  <ernestas> thanks
2007-12-29T19:58:38  <ernestas> well, if I'm now a windows user...
2007-12-29T19:58:51  * ernestas claims #85
2007-12-29T19:59:07  <dreimark> starshine: I do have ./data/intermap.txt
2007-12-29T20:00:38  <starshine> well there is an entry in SystemPagesInEnglishGroup called InterWikiMap and the matching page is not there.
2007-12-29T20:01:18  <starshine> it either needs to be trimmed from the SystemPagesIn series of pages or it needs a correct stub;  I haven't done interwiki changes, so I don't know what part to do next.
2007-12-29T20:03:33  <dreimark> we should add a dummy page, I
2007-12-29T20:03:45  <dreimark> 'll do because this is needed for Wikisync
2007-12-29T20:04:00  <dreimark> or could be usefull
2007-12-29T20:04:50  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: xorAxAx: what's your opnion to the underlay page InterWikiMap
2007-12-29T20:05:23  <dreimark> I think we should deliver it at least with some MoinMoin wikis to give an example
2007-12-29T20:05:54  <starshine> you think we should have an example wiki data set that's not empty?
2007-12-29T20:06:39  <dreimark> we can have it empty but with comments about the syntax
2007-12-29T20:06:42  <starshine> oh. you mean, the interwikimap "local things to add" should contain some other moin sites
2007-12-29T20:07:46  <dreimark> something like this. It is difficult for people using a wiki to enter an interwiki definition
2007-12-29T20:08:05  <dreimark> http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnSynchronisation
2007-12-29T20:09:23  <dreimark> they have to do this if the wiki isn't in intermap.txt
2007-12-29T20:09:51  <dreimark> at the time they do want to start a synchronisation
2007-12-29T20:19:33  <dreimark> 3 x coding, 4 x userinterface, 3 x research, 29 x translation are open
2007-12-29T20:20:00  <dreimark> http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/list
2007-12-29T20:20:23  <bolekk> dreimark: too few coding
2007-12-29T20:20:37  <ernestas> too few research :)
2007-12-29T20:21:15  <dreimark> you don't know someone who is able to translate something ?
2007-12-29T20:21:43  <ernestas> we should travel around the world and spread the word...
2007-12-29T20:23:46  <dreimark> http://opentouch.info/tmp/ghop/ghop-stats.html#moinmoin
2007-12-29T20:24:16  <dreimark> stats from today
2007-12-29T20:26:04  <ernestas> nice charts!
2007-12-29T20:30:54  <ernestas> It's not too bad. We have about one month left. But it seems that 90% of translation tasks will be still open by the end of GHOP.
2007-12-29T21:04:04  <ernestas> dreimark: there are no mt.minor defined at all, right?
2007-12-29T21:04:51  <ernestas> I mean you set parameters only by the major mt and don't check any minor type
2007-12-29T21:05:01  <ernestas> right?
2007-12-29T21:06:37  <ernestas> dreimark: and if I'd like to add mt.minor, what would it look like? the same as the mt.major or inside that if mt.major... or what? I'm a total python newbie. Today is my first day with python :)
2007-12-29T21:06:59  <dreimark> ernestas: minor is only checked for denying
2007-12-29T21:07:44  <dreimark> you should not add mt.minor currently
2007-12-29T21:07:56  <ernestas> so if I'd like to add any extra parameters that the minor type has, I'd have to add them to that if mt.major... block, right?
2007-12-29T21:08:14  <dreimark> currently yes
2007-12-29T21:08:17  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T21:08:34  <dreimark> but before doing this please describe
2007-12-29T21:09:26  <ernestas> in def at the top of that file, right?
2007-12-29T21:10:33  <ernestas> in def __init__...
2007-12-29T21:11:28  <dreimark> this is the next step afer You have to describe which plugin for which mimetype / which browser
2007-12-29T21:11:34  <dreimark> you used and where to get it. Please indicate for which platforms
2007-12-29T21:12:04  <dreimark> please show first a description
2007-12-29T21:12:04  <ernestas> yes, I understand that. I want to edit that .py only to test first :)
2007-12-29T21:12:36  <dreimark> ernestas: then you are right
2007-12-29T21:12:46  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-29T21:16:55  <ernestas> dreimark: correct a typo in the short task description in the first sentence: "similiar" -> similar
2007-12-29T21:19:45  <ernestas> btw, very useful task :)
2007-12-29T21:25:59  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-29T21:57:34  <ernestas> gn
2007-12-29T22:15:36  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: <<FullSearch>> on a category page does not give a result
2007-12-29T22:16:36  <dreimark> <<FullSearchCached(r:CategoryFeaturePatched\b)>> is fine
2007-12-29T22:25:59  <bolekk> grzywacz: ping
2007-12-29T22:38:25  <kikka> re
2007-12-29T22:38:53  <kikka> I'll  write the case study tommorow. I've got all material for this
2007-12-29T23:18:22  <dreimark> good night