MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-11

2008-01-11T00:20:05  <CIA-35> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2496:9336f3e4c328 1.6/MoinMoin/script/migration/1059999.py: 1.6 mig scripts: fix link conversion by using data.pre160 as data_dir
2008-01-11T01:03:05  <xorAxAx> ?
2008-01-11T01:06:07  <ThomasWaldmann> see the bug i closed
2008-01-11T01:08:56  <xorAxAx> i mean the "by using data.pre160 as data_dir" part
2008-01-11T01:09:32  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, what's unclear about that part?
2008-01-11T01:10:11  <xorAxAx> i am not sure if that directory will exist everywhere :)
2008-01-11T01:11:02  <ThomasWaldmann> why?
2008-01-11T01:11:40  <xorAxAx> isnt that usually one of those that you delete when the mig script is finished?
2008-01-11T01:12:25  <ThomasWaldmann> it is only used while the mig script is running
2008-01-11T01:12:49  <ThomasWaldmann> see the changeset
2008-01-11T01:13:59  <xorAxAx> ah
2008-01-11T02:04:59  * cb22 realsises he just fell asleep in his chair
2008-01-11T06:22:14  <dreimark>  moin
2008-01-11T07:22:38  <dreimark> issue 99: icons http://forre.st/ghop/index.html
2008-01-11T07:22:49  <dreimark> comments ?
2008-01-11T07:22:51  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-11T09:43:58  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: they look ok on white bg, should be checked on black bg also
2008-01-11T09:44:56  <ThomasWaldmann> read, write, delete, admin have clear icon semantics
2008-01-11T09:45:14  <ThomasWaldmann> the one for revert is not that clear
2008-01-11T09:48:49  <ThomasWaldmann> and there is one fundamental issue with using icons for acl display: the acl system is designed to be extendable, having icons for the right makes this harder (you have to draw them, you have to find some appropriate graphical representation)
2008-01-11T09:51:09  <starshine> revert = undo, what icon type do people use for undo ?
2008-01-11T09:51:13  <ThomasWaldmann> translating the acl names has other issues: it displays something different from what an admin has to enter in the acl line. if admin did a site specific extension to acl rights, he might miss the translation for it
2008-01-11T09:51:15  <starshine> big eraser :)
2008-01-11T09:51:22  <starshine> no wait that looks like delete. darn
2008-01-11T09:51:44  <starshine> ooh I know
2008-01-11T09:51:54  <starshine> calendar with an arrow pointing "backwards"
2008-01-11T09:54:58  <stargaming> http://www.iconfinder.net/index.php?q=revert
2008-01-11T09:55:48  <ThomasWaldmann> floppies are dead :D
2008-01-11T09:57:23  <starshine> usb thumbdrives are the new floppies
2008-01-11T09:57:27  <starshine> it used to be CDs :)
2008-01-11T09:57:38  <stargaming> Hey! I still have a floppy drive! >:[
2008-01-11T09:57:54  <starshine> heck my hubby bought one today. but *cough* it's USB :)
2008-01-11T09:58:49  * ThomasWaldmann uses them for flashing BIOSses still (until the BIOS coders invent something else that works)
2008-01-11T10:01:50  <starshine> yep
2008-01-11T10:02:03  <starshine> in fact that might be exactly why he needed it :)
2008-01-11T10:05:13  <stargaming> Well, basically it's just a left-over from the times where floppies were still common.
2008-01-11T10:08:51  <xorAxAx> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
2008-01-11T10:23:22  <dreimark> starshine: very good idea
2008-01-11T10:25:14  * starshine yawwwns, time to nap.
2008-01-11T10:25:23  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, translating was not requested in the issue but icons
2008-01-11T10:25:29  <dreimark> starshine: good night
2008-01-11T10:25:35  <starshine> thanks :D
2008-01-11T10:26:55  <dreimark> and he should use alt text not translated
2008-01-11T12:37:23  <federico> moin
2008-01-11T12:51:04  <ThomasWaldmann> moin cb22
2008-01-11T13:25:13  <dreimark> TheSheep: what do you think on refactoring the parser sstable as a ghop task?
2008-01-11T13:26:25  <TheSheep> sstable?
2008-01-11T13:26:54  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/sstable
2008-01-11T13:28:33  <TheSheep> dreimark: formulars?
2008-01-11T13:29:14  * TheSheep looks at the code
2008-01-11T13:29:16  <dreimark> yep, you can write =A1+B1 and it did show the result similiar to multiplan
2008-01-11T13:30:18  <dreimark> more examples at http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/sctable (this one needs the external sc)
2008-01-11T13:33:44  <TheSheep> dreimark: can't see the code for download?
2008-01-11T13:34:21  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=sstable-1.0.4.py
2008-01-11T13:40:20  <TheSheep> dreimark: not sure the code requires refactoring desperately
2008-01-11T13:40:28  <TheSheep> dreimark: documentation could use it though
2008-01-11T13:48:49  <dreimark> not much refactoring, some pep8 fixes, math could be extended and several unit tests.
2008-01-11T13:52:51  <TheSheep> hmm.. having students write unit tests might be a good idea
2008-01-11T13:55:58  <dreimark> EasyToDo/SearchForTranslators <- comments
2008-01-11T13:57:33  <dreimark> TheSheep: I do add a description for sstable task
2008-01-11T14:04:04  <TheSheep> dreimark: a pimping task?
2008-01-11T14:05:09  <cb22> pimp my stable
2008-01-11T14:05:35  <dreimark> hehe, first time I got this idea was last year.
2008-01-11T14:05:52  <cb22> 11 days ago? :)
2008-01-11T14:06:01  <TheSheep> 101
2008-01-11T14:06:12  <dreimark> something like this, i told ThomasWaldmann and we were laughing
2008-01-11T14:06:13  * cb22 is sad: installing win2k3 servers :((
2008-01-11T14:06:29  <TheSheep> cb22: be happy, could be vista
2008-01-11T14:06:47  <cb22> TheSheep: hehe indeed. then i would just kill myself
2008-01-11T14:07:00  <TheSheep> cb22: please don't joke like that
2008-01-11T14:11:20  <cb22> TheSheep: sorry :(
2008-01-11T14:44:35  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i dont think a task finding other people doing some work is valid
2008-01-11T14:51:02  <ThomasWaldmann> also, we maybe could make more core moin tasks, helping improving 1.6 and making 1.7 releasable sooner
2008-01-11T14:58:34  <dreimark> Hmm, it is not quite different from one of the examples of the initial doc which was to find a location for a meeting.
2008-01-11T15:00:02  <dreimark> sure speeding up the 1.6 -> 1.7 progress is fine with me too
2008-01-11T15:13:36  <ThomasWaldmann> http://wiki.debianforum.de/RecentChanges < OMFG RTFM
2008-01-11T16:42:01  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: do you already know http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Dozens-injured-as-boy-wreaks.3662874.jp? :)
2008-01-11T16:53:04  <dreimark> Toshiba Spurs Engine puts PS3 Cell chip in a laptop http://crave.cnet.co.uk/video/0,139101587,49295004,00.htm
2008-01-11T16:57:12  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that might be the first notebook with 200W power dissipation 8-X
2008-01-11T17:00:20  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: maybe they should rather sue the ones who designed the system's security
2008-01-11T17:04:02  <xorAxAx> hehe
2008-01-11T18:10:19  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, yeah
2008-01-11T18:11:18  <TheSheep_> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/1819221
2008-01-11T18:11:20  <TheSheep_> hehe
2008-01-11T19:09:25  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-11T20:07:25  <bolekk> moin :)
2008-01-11T20:09:51  <xorAxAx> moin bolekk
2008-01-11T20:18:00  <xorAxAx> cb22: ping
2008-01-11T20:27:42  <xorAxAx> bolekk: did you see the new coding tasks? :)
2008-01-11T20:28:59  <bolekk> xorAxAx: yeah I did, but about an hour before you added them I claimed a task from gnome ...
2008-01-11T20:30:08  <bolekk> xorAxAx: but I've just sent a final (hopefully) patch for that one. Once it is accepted I'll pick one from moin again :)
2008-01-11T20:30:49  <dreimark> browser.py is broken
2008-01-11T20:33:26  <xorAxAx> bolekk: cool :)
2008-01-11T20:34:04  <dreimark> by the forms patch, index build for xapian does not know self.request.page.page_name
2008-01-11T20:43:33  <bolekk> dreimark: what is 'index build for xapian' ?
2008-01-11T20:43:43  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnXapian
2008-01-11T20:43:57  <dreimark> it is the starting index used for xapian search
2008-01-11T20:44:35  <dreimark> currently I do investigate it I have no idea why the browser is involved
2008-01-11T21:01:56  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: a complete backtrace in that bugreport would help
2008-01-11T21:20:54  <dreimark> I know. unfortunately it was to much. currently the bug is vanished
2008-01-11T21:23:24  <dreimark> ha, can reproduce it
2008-01-11T21:31:43  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: added
2008-01-11T21:32:52  <dreimark> it vanishes if we have the cache
2008-01-11T21:38:07  <cb22> xorAxAx: yes?
2008-01-11T21:41:19  <cb22> ah, i saw your comment
2008-01-11T21:46:24  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-11T21:54:02  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: you already have fixed what we talked about on irc?
2008-01-11T21:57:03  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: he just said that he is working on the new patch :)
2008-01-11T22:00:17  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: yes, thats all fixed
2008-01-11T22:01:19  * cb22 takes a break from server2k3 to go to python
2008-01-11T22:01:36  <cb22> i spent the whole day installing and configuring servers :/
2008-01-11T22:23:52  <cb22> xorAxAx: hmm, if i just had to add them to the todo list, how could i tell how many levels i've gone through?
2008-01-11T22:24:21  <xorAxAx> cb22: umm
2008-01-11T22:24:32  <xorAxAx> cb22: thats a good question
2008-01-11T22:25:00  <xorAxAx> cb22: then leave it like it is now, but use set
2008-01-11T22:25:05  <xorAxAx> instead of the list
2008-01-11T22:25:23  <xorAxAx> there is a set that also works on python 2.3 in our compat module (hopefully)
2008-01-11T22:26:14  <cb22> ok, will do
2008-01-11T22:26:39  <xorAxAx> should speed it up a lot