2008-01-12T00:30:39 * ThomasWaldmann does some sarge>etch remote upgrade
2008-01-12T02:18:17 * cb22 needs caffeine
2008-01-12T02:23:03 <ThomasWaldmann> or sleep :)
2008-01-12T02:27:29 <cb22> cant :( i have to finish work on my dads servers. if i finish by the time he gets back (~12h) i'll get paid nicely :)
2008-01-12T02:30:06 <ThomasWaldmann> well, at least you get something for the pain ;P
2008-01-12T02:33:18 <cb22> haha true, i promised him i would do it, as i've been spending most time doing moin tasks and learning more python :)
2008-01-12T02:35:04 * ThomasWaldmann likes to run windoze stuff in some VM with Linux as host system, that at least takes away some of the pain
2008-01-12T04:17:48 <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: is removing the sentence the last change?
2008-01-12T04:17:59 <YoniWiz> oh nvm
2008-01-12T04:18:11 <YoniWiz> there are a bunch of comments so scratch that
2008-01-12T04:34:22 <YoniWiz> who is w-pub...@gmx.de
2008-01-12T04:34:33 <YoniWiz> *tw-pub...@gmx.de
2008-01-12T04:38:41 <cb22> YoniWiz: ThomasWaldmann
2008-01-12T04:38:48 <YoniWiz> thanks
2008-01-12T04:42:59 <forrestv> For ghop issue 99 (acl display) I have icons at http://forre.st/ghop/index.html
2008-01-12T04:46:37 <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: i thought i was told thta 1.6 had desktop search so i put it in. is that not true?
2008-01-12T04:48:38 <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: I also dont understand what I should change creole to
2008-01-12T05:24:06 <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: I also do not get how to chnage the thing thing about html parsers or something... so it'd be good to go over this together
2008-01-12T10:02:10 <xorAxAx> hi forrestv
2008-01-12T10:46:35 <dreimark> moin
2008-01-12T10:46:59 <dreimark> which revert icon should we choose?
2008-01-12T10:47:50 <dreimark> the << is well known from tapes, cd/dvd ..
2008-01-12T10:49:59 <dreimark> all the icons do look very nice on black or white
2008-01-12T11:10:20 <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-12T12:18:42 <ThomasWaldmann> YoniWiz: look on the MoinMoinFeatures page
2008-01-12T12:18:50 <ThomasWaldmann> there is no Desktop Search
2008-01-12T12:19:49 <ThomasWaldmann> and moin has some parsers for different markups: Moin Wiki Markup, Creole Wiki Markup, ReST, ...
2008-01-12T12:22:13 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yeah, that << is maybe the best we had yet (but it usually means "fast backwards", not revert)
2008-01-12T12:24:35 <johill> wouldn't it be better to choose an 'undo' like icon?
2008-01-12T12:32:03 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
2008-01-12T12:32:53 <ThomasWaldmann> johill: btw, did you read the cookie/login problems on #moin?
2008-01-12T12:33:00 <johill> no, what was it?
2008-01-12T12:33:15 <johill> any bug page I can look at?
2008-01-12T12:33:23 <ThomasWaldmann> someone with a farm setup told he has to login to each of the farm wikis
2008-01-12T12:33:44 <johill> isn't that the general setting?
2008-01-12T12:33:57 <johill> I have a farm and want to log in to each
2008-01-12T12:34:00 <johill> maybe something about cookie path
2008-01-12T12:34:12 <ThomasWaldmann> well, if he missed that feature, I think he had it differently before
2008-01-12T12:34:30 <johill> hm
2008-01-12T12:34:42 <johill> I don't think we ever had farm==single login
2008-01-12T12:35:02 <ThomasWaldmann> we did
2008-01-12T12:35:02 <johill> it doesn't make sense anyway since a farm can potentially have very different domain names and browsers won't send cookie cross domains
2008-01-12T12:35:10 <ThomasWaldmann> by the scope of the cookie
2008-01-12T12:35:28 <johill> yeah, if you have the farm stuff below a single domain maybe
2008-01-12T12:35:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (for the case your farm wikis are subdomains / pathes)
2008-01-12T12:35:45 <johill> I vaguely remember a setting for that somewhere
2008-01-12T12:36:10 <ThomasWaldmann> the question is, if that still can work with the session cookie stuff
2008-01-12T12:36:43 <johill> I think I specified a farm cache for sessions
2008-01-12T12:36:46 <ThomasWaldmann> (and what will break if it does. trail?)
2008-01-12T12:37:00 <johill> trail might even work across with interwiki
2008-01-12T12:38:17 <ThomasWaldmann> it was ralfgr, he ist still there
2008-01-12T12:38:28 <johill> there are cookie_domain and cookie_path settings
2008-01-12T12:38:31 <johill> I'll check
2008-01-12T12:38:36 <johill> was he using 1.7 though?
2008-01-12T12:38:48 <johill> I don't think I changed much in 1.6 wrt. how sessions are handled
2008-01-12T12:39:22 <ThomasWaldmann> i think it was 1.6.0. and we have moin_session there.
2008-01-12T12:39:26 <johill> right
2008-01-12T12:39:34 <johill> we had that before though, sort of
2008-01-12T12:39:36 <johill> anyway
2008-01-12T12:39:45 <johill> I think the session cache is probably not shared
2008-01-12T12:39:49 <johill> and hence it doesn't work
2008-01-12T12:40:04 <johill> I do specify 'farm' though
2008-01-12T12:40:12 <johill> does that need special configuration?
2008-01-12T12:40:56 <johill> on my wiki
2008-01-12T12:41:01 <johill> sessions end up in per-wiki cache
2008-01-12T12:41:02 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if that can work yet
2008-01-12T12:41:05 <johill> although I do specify 'farm'
2008-01-12T12:41:15 <johill> in __common__, but nonetheless per-wiki
2008-01-12T12:41:31 <johill> I'd think that's the trouble here
2008-01-12T12:42:04 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, i think it only works with a common cache_dir
2008-01-12T12:42:15 <johill> that would be doable I guess
2008-01-12T12:42:21 <johill> because we have per-wiki caches in a subdir
2008-01-12T12:42:51 <johill> heh now he just left. damn
2008-01-12T12:44:14 <johill> I can't really test right now, am on osx
2008-01-12T12:44:19 <johill> but I think this would solve it
2008-01-12T12:44:25 <johill> should we just document it?
2008-01-12T12:48:00 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we first try it before we document it ;)
2008-01-12T12:48:01 <johill> another thing wrt. the icons. should we maybe start using tango-like things and look at their style-guide/metaphor-list for inspiration?
2008-01-12T12:48:05 <johill> yeah
2008-01-12T12:48:21 <johill> well the other solution would be to try to extract farm-cache dir into a new config and make only that shared
2008-01-12T12:49:35 <johill> (since we have no farm-data-dir we'd have to make that a new config path)
2008-01-12T12:51:50 <ThomasWaldmann> first we try what we have
2008-01-12T12:55:07 <johill> ok
2008-01-12T13:00:03 <xorAxAx> johill: there are 3 tango icon sets for moin
2008-01-12T13:00:07 <xorAxAx> already i think
2008-01-12T13:05:44 <johill> oh :)
2008-01-12T13:08:28 <xorAxAx> fedora, ghop and yours
2008-01-12T13:08:42 <xorAxAx> maybe there are even more
2008-01-12T13:08:55 <xorAxAx> i didnt search for them ...
2008-01-12T13:13:11 * dreimark migrates now several wikis
2008-01-12T13:13:13 <johill> huh ok
2008-01-12T13:13:24 <johill> but those icons somebody linked above looked rather dull compared to that :)
2008-01-12T13:14:15 <dreimark> he is doing a ghop task
2008-01-12T13:17:01 <johill> hah. you install a 50meg java update for osx and then it tells you you need the 80 meg security pack
2008-01-12T13:17:04 <johill> doh
2008-01-12T13:18:06 <dreimark> haha
2008-01-12T13:23:22 <johill> hahahaha
2008-01-12T13:23:28 <johill> after that it wants me to download java 6
2008-01-12T13:23:32 <johill> another 80meg
2008-01-12T13:25:27 <dreimark> and if it continues then you have a 128 meg security update
2008-01-12T13:27:51 <johill> probably
2008-01-12T14:36:19 <grzywacz> nice
2008-01-12T14:36:19 <grzywacz> :P
2008-01-12T14:37:11 <johill> actually it stopped after that last 80meg
2008-01-12T14:37:17 <dreimark> :)
2008-01-12T14:37:46 * dreimark 4/17 wikis migrated
2008-01-12T14:37:53 <johill> of course, it still wants a 50meg quicktime and 20meg osx update
2008-01-12T14:38:06 <johill> but it says it needs to reboot for that, so I'm deferring it
2008-01-12T16:33:03 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: anything special yet?
2008-01-12T16:34:36 <dreimark> I am not sure sometimes I do have had an empty rename file
2008-01-12T16:35:17 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe no pages with underscore/blank in their name
2008-01-12T16:35:47 <dreimark> proabbaly but I think I feel better if there is at least a comment in that file
2008-01-12T16:35:54 <dreimark> which tells all is gone right
2008-01-12T16:36:52 <dreimark> have to login now and do teting
2008-01-12T16:37:06 <dreimark> s/teting/testing/
2008-01-12T16:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> (there is a complete.txt btw, with a complete page name mapping)
2008-01-12T16:37:53 <dreimark> :)
2008-01-12T16:58:10 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/LogfileError
2008-01-12T16:59:21 <ThomasWaldmann> add more details please
2008-01-12T17:01:13 <ThomasWaldmann> and check your data/edit-log (size, access rights, content)
2008-01-12T17:03:47 <dreimark> I have done two edits on a page and it looks all ok.
2008-01-12T17:03:52 <dreimark> I try to get more details
2008-01-12T17:05:58 <dreimark> removing both edit enties fixed it
2008-01-12T17:09:03 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: strange /!\ 2008-01-12 is saved as <<DATE>>
2008-01-12T17:12:10 <dreimark> ok this doesn't happen on MM
2008-01-12T17:25:51 <dreimark> now it works. strange
2008-01-12T17:32:03 <CIA-35> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2497:5c326a7d0112 1.6/MoinMoin/script/migration/text_moin158_wiki.py: fixed typo in comment
2008-01-12T18:10:30 <johill> dreimark: so what's the best way to integrate many images into a moin site?
2008-01-12T18:17:19 <CIA-35> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2498:dd263b7b7b13 1.6/MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py: fix relative attachment targets
2008-01-12T18:21:16 <dreimark> johill: Gallery2 I will start to rework on it in a few days
2008-01-12T18:22:40 <johill> oh :)
2008-01-12T18:23:24 <dreimark> I like to remove the swf part
2008-01-12T18:24:07 <johill> what does the swf do?
2008-01-12T18:25:01 <dreimark> you can create a slideshow in a flash file from the slides you have selected
2008-01-12T18:25:32 <johill> oh ok
2008-01-12T18:25:42 <dreimark> and it can use an action script for controlling it
2008-01-12T18:26:50 <dreimark> this separated makes it easier to use
2008-01-12T18:27:53 <johill> right
2008-01-12T18:28:14 * dreimark has some fun currently with apache2 fcgi and moin-1.6
2008-01-12T18:28:23 <johill> lighttpd is faster ;)
2008-01-12T18:29:04 <dreimark> currently I have many 500 using a page with Include
2008-01-12T18:29:35 <johill> hm
2008-01-12T18:29:57 <dreimark> action=edit works
2008-01-12T18:34:42 <dreimark> Hitcounts triggers it
2008-01-12T18:35:47 <dreimark> and Hits
2008-01-12T18:38:03 <dreimark> I have an event-log of 27 MB
2008-01-12T18:39:58 <ThomasWaldmann> http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-meanest-thing-gizmodo-did-at-ces
2008-01-12T18:45:44 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: {{attachment:100_4798.JPG||width=300}}]]
2008-01-12T18:45:57 <dreimark> means no alt tag and width is ignored
2008-01-12T18:46:15 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, because it is wrong
2008-01-12T18:46:28 <ThomasWaldmann> oops, no
2008-01-12T18:46:48 <ThomasWaldmann> that should maybe work
2008-01-12T18:47:30 <ThomasWaldmann> does it work with a http image target?
2008-01-12T18:48:01 <dreimark> have no example currently
2008-01-12T18:49:03 <dreimark> it would be food if that could be fixed otherwise i have to fix lots of lines
2008-01-12T18:49:14 <dreimark> s/food/good/
2008-01-12T18:50:26 <johill> need dinner? ;)
2008-01-12T18:53:09 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-01-12T18:54:05 <dreimark> yeah
2008-01-12T19:13:53 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: is that image a link description or why does it have ]] ?
2008-01-12T19:16:40 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, happens also with just {{ }}
2008-01-12T19:18:57 <ThomasWaldmann> (\|\s*(?P<transclude_desc>.+?)?\s* # usually image alt text (optional, strip space)
2008-01-12T19:19:12 <ThomasWaldmann> that expects SOMETHING non-blank
2008-01-12T19:20:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, no. the ? after it makes it optional.
2008-01-12T19:28:20 <johill> maybe the double | is a problem?
2008-01-12T19:31:35 <ThomasWaldmann> that just means non-existing transclude_desc
2008-01-12T19:32:15 <ThomasWaldmann> \{\{
2008-01-12T19:32:17 <ThomasWaldmann> \s*(?P<transclude_target>.+?)\s* # usually image target (strip space)
2008-01-12T19:32:20 <ThomasWaldmann> (\|\s*(?P<transclude_desc>.+?)?\s* # usually image alt text (optional, strip space)
2008-01-12T19:32:23 <ThomasWaldmann> (\|\s*(?P<transclude_params>.+?)?\s* # transclusion parameters (usually key="value" format, optional, strip space)
2008-01-12T19:32:26 <ThomasWaldmann> )?
2008-01-12T19:32:29 <ThomasWaldmann> )?
2008-01-12T19:32:31 <ThomasWaldmann> \}\}
2008-01-12T19:36:56 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, i am not seeing an obvious problem in the regex
2008-01-12T19:41:04 <dreimark> may be it happens later at the attachemnt
2008-01-12T19:41:55 <ThomasWaldmann> desc = u'|width=442', params = u''
2008-01-12T19:42:16 <ThomasWaldmann> . is too generic X)
2008-01-12T19:42:43 <dreimark> it takes longer as I thought reviewing all the wikis I have migrated
2008-01-12T19:49:13 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the comment line "converted to 1.6 markup" appears only once on top of RC
2008-01-12T19:49:20 <dreimark> this is right or?
2008-01-12T19:51:34 <ThomasWaldmann> it is only added to the local edit-log, not the global one
2008-01-12T19:51:56 <ThomasWaldmann> so if it appears on RC, it is because the page appears there for other reasons
2008-01-12T19:53:01 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i think using [^|] instead of . fixes that problem
2008-01-12T20:28:09 <dreimark> xorAxAx: may be if we test a zip file to be a package it should not show unzip for not superuser users or what is your opinion?
2008-01-12T20:28:23 <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, makes sense :)
2008-01-12T20:31:47 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i think i have a fix to the parsing problem soon
2008-01-12T20:35:41 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: thanks
2008-01-12T20:44:26 <CIA-35> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2499:78fd95e463a9 1.6/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py: wiki parser: fix parsing of link/transclusion desciption and params
2008-01-12T20:51:25 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: try it, I hope it didn't break anything else
2008-01-12T21:05:48 <dreimark> :)
2008-01-12T21:12:52 <kikka> Hello there!
2008-01-12T21:13:01 <ThomasWaldmann> moin kikka
2008-01-12T21:13:02 <kikka> I'll start a task in the "Zeugnisferien"
2008-01-12T21:13:24 <dreimark> kikka: when is that?
2008-01-12T21:14:45 <kikka> dreimark, dunno.
2008-01-12T21:14:57 <kikka> Wann endet GHOP?
2008-01-12T21:16:27 <ThomasWaldmann> see the FAQ
2008-01-12T21:25:01 <kikka> Mkay.
2008-01-12T21:53:42 <grzywacz> Hm.
2008-01-12T21:53:51 <grzywacz> Who has control over cloaking for moin?
2008-01-12T21:54:37 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann? :>
2008-01-12T21:58:31 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: ask xorAxAx
2008-01-12T21:58:43 <xorAxAx> me
2008-01-12T21:58:48 <xorAxAx> do you want another cloak? :)
2008-01-12T21:59:21 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, another or none at all :D
2008-01-12T21:59:33 <xorAxAx> makes sense
2008-01-12T21:59:40 <xorAxAx> we have fan and core cloaks
2008-01-12T22:00:00 <grzywacz> fan is ok, then ;)
2008-01-12T22:00:37 <ThomasWaldmann> how about core? :)
2008-01-12T22:00:58 <grzywacz> I hardly do anything, so that would be misleading.
2008-01-12T22:05:37 <ThomasWaldmann> well, whatever you like
2008-01-12T22:06:07 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: maybe some developer category would be good for such cases
2008-01-12T22:07:29 <xorAxAx> yes, we are free
2008-01-12T22:07:34 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: how about developer
2008-01-12T22:07:56 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, should I feel motivated to contribute by that? ;)
2008-01-12T22:08:07 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, sure, developer/contributor is fine.
2008-01-12T22:08:49 <xorAxAx> hehe
2008-01-12T22:16:20 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: the update is in their queue
2008-01-12T22:16:47 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, ok, thanks.
2008-01-12T22:47:27 <dreimark> gn
2008-01-12T22:48:24 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2008-01-12T23:20:13 * ThomasWaldmann debugs xapian search
2008-01-12T23:38:56 <grzywacz> night MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-12 (last edited 2008-01-11 23:45:02 by IrcLogImporter)
