MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-22

2008-01-22T00:05:13  <ThomasWaldmann> 66 closed tasks yet
2008-01-22T00:20:30  <dreimark> bolekk_: now 24 tasks
2008-01-22T00:21:34  <bolekk_> dreimark: ?
2008-01-22T00:22:32  <bolekk_> ahh I see ;)
2008-01-22T00:22:43  <bolekk_> yeah, he's fast
2008-01-22T00:22:48  <bolekk_> and he's from Poland :p
2008-01-22T00:24:01  <dreimark> and he did many or all issues for  silverstripe
2008-01-22T00:25:19  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like a ticket to CA
2008-01-22T00:25:42  <bolekk_> yes, mainly creating/imporving themes or new web pages using themes
2008-01-22T00:25:44  <bolekk_> afaik
2008-01-22T00:26:59  * ThomasWaldmann searches some easy bugs
2008-01-22T00:42:41  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: hat's with some of the EasyToDos I have added already?
2008-01-22T00:42:52  <dreimark> *w
2008-01-22T00:43:54  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.7 stuff can be a problem (as we have seen recently, because 1.7 misses lots of forward ports still)
2008-01-22T00:46:45  <dreimark> yeah that is quite a problem
2008-01-22T00:47:05  <dreimark> this one EasyToDo/ImproveAttachfileInstallPackage can be done for 1.6 and it currently something like a useability bug
2008-01-22T00:51:45  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: well, this has a performance impact. not sure we really want this.
2008-01-22T00:56:56  <dreimark> right and as I do look now into the code it is quite to easy only changing an elif
2008-01-22T00:58:30  <dreimark> and we have already this impact.
2008-01-22T01:00:16  <ThomasWaldmann> you have to look in every zip
2008-01-22T01:01:23  <dreimark> we do currently: if (packages.ZipPackage(request, os.path.join( ...
2008-01-22T01:02:26  <dreimark> elif (zipfile.is_zipfile(os.pa ...
2008-01-22T01:04:35  <dreimark> we do need this for the install link instead of unzip
2008-01-22T01:05:46  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then this task would be adding 0.5 lines of code?
2008-01-22T01:06:20  <dreimark> yeah and this is to easy, I was not aware about this as I wrote the task
2008-01-22T01:06:27  <ThomasWaldmann> like ... and user.isSuperUser():
2008-01-22T01:07:19  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is that check efficient? or does it get slower with bigger zip files?
2008-01-22T01:07:30  <dreimark> no, like is_package_file = packages.ZipPackage(request, os.path.join(attach_dir, file).encode(config.charset)).isPackage()
2008-01-22T01:07:57  <dreimark> and using this var in the if and negated in the elif
2008-01-22T01:11:22  <ThomasWaldmann> we could create 20 "make some 1.6 changesets apply cleanly to 1.7" tasks :))
2008-01-22T01:11:45  <ThomasWaldmann> just joking ...
2008-01-22T01:12:19  <dreimark> it may depend on the number of files in the zip file. zipfile.namelist() gets the list
2008-01-22T01:12:44  <dreimark> needs to be tested, but I don't think someone likes to unpack a few thousand files
2008-01-22T01:13:39  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: sometimes I do think it can become easier to backport all 1.7 patches and to create a new 1.7 branch
2008-01-22T01:14:44  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: he maybe does not want to unpack them, but just attach the zip to a page
2008-01-22T01:17:00  <dreimark> right, the best example page we have currently is SystemPagesSetup
2008-01-22T01:17:38  <ThomasWaldmann> except that those files are rather small
2008-01-22T01:25:57  <dreimark> writeing unit tests for include may be a good task too, first step for refactoring it
2008-01-22T01:29:38  <ThomasWaldmann> include can't be easily refactored. it needs a quite fundamental change in processing.
2008-01-22T01:29:52  <ThomasWaldmann> not quite at the horizon now
2008-01-22T01:30:18  <ThomasWaldmann> updating some plugins to 1.6 would be good
2008-01-22T01:30:40  * forrestv_ updates issue #103
2008-01-22T01:30:51  <ThomasWaldmann> but I don't know why, I don't use much. it should be the popular ones, not the ones noone uses.
2008-01-22T01:33:56  <dreimark> if one likes to add some nice css to the Gallery2 parser it would be nice.
2008-01-22T01:37:14  <ThomasWaldmann> put up a task (directly into the tracker)
2008-01-22T01:45:11  <bolekk_> good night, have a good time creating new tasks
2008-01-22T01:55:27  <dreimark> done
2008-01-22T01:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=113 let's see :)
2008-01-22T02:03:16  * ThomasWaldmann looks at 103
2008-01-22T02:03:19  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do you know of a converter latex to wiki
2008-01-22T02:03:42  <dreimark> or can I add a task for this too
2008-01-22T02:04:06  <ThomasWaldmann> no. is that easy? 10 days?
2008-01-22T02:04:20  <dreimark> http://www.kataplop.net/pub/info/projets/latex2twiki
2008-01-22T02:04:35  <dreimark> there is already one which needs only extended
2008-01-22T02:04:55  <dreimark> and changed to the right syntax
2008-01-22T02:05:04  <ThomasWaldmann> lol
2008-01-22T02:06:24  <dreimark> i guess this means too easy
2008-01-22T02:07:25  <dreimark> igitt tabs
2008-01-22T02:08:58  * ThomasWaldmann looked at that wiki page and the code
2008-01-22T02:09:35  <ThomasWaldmann> i dont think this code is a good starting point
2008-01-22T02:11:33  <ThomasWaldmann> the allendowney one looks better
2008-01-22T02:11:52  <ThomasWaldmann> but well, this already solves the task
2008-01-22T02:14:05  <dreimark> seems I missed that url
2008-01-22T02:14:42  <dreimark> ah found it
2008-01-22T02:14:48  <ThomasWaldmann> forrestv_: still awake?
2008-01-22T02:16:00  <dreimark> much nicer and shorter code
2008-01-22T02:19:38  <forrestv_> ThomasWaldmann: yes :)
2008-01-22T02:20:44  <ThomasWaldmann> how did you test your code and on what platforms?
2008-01-22T02:25:01  <ThomasWaldmann> forrestv_:
2008-01-22T02:25:26  <forrestv_> ThomasWaldmann: i haven't finished; i'm using qemu
2008-01-22T02:25:53  <dreimark> good night
2008-01-22T02:25:58  <ThomasWaldmann> qemu with windoze?
2008-01-22T02:26:01  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2008-01-22T02:26:06  <forrestv_> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2008-01-22T08:19:51  <xorAxAx> LOL, totally chaotic thread on the ghop list - many projects seem to hit various quotas in the google code issue tracker
2008-01-22T08:20:50  <xorAxAx> it only allows to store 50 MB
2008-01-22T09:11:52  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-01-22T09:16:47  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: "many"?
2008-01-22T09:19:11  <xorAxAx> drupal, joomla and silverthingie
2008-01-22T09:19:47  <xorAxAx> trying to express their problems in 4 mails each
2008-01-22T09:35:24  <ThomasWaldmann> 3 is not really many (and they hopefully fix that before trying to scale up next year)
2008-01-22T09:48:48  <xorAxAx> 33% is a lot :)
2008-01-22T11:58:47  <ThomasWaldmann> there is a claim for #97
2008-01-22T12:03:02  * ThomasWaldmann denied it because of "too late"
2008-01-22T12:03:49  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, when exactly is 12:00 AM ? is this midday or midnight?
2008-01-22T12:04:37  <ThomasWaldmann> i.o.w. is claiming over now, right?
2008-01-22T12:07:37  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: where did you bought the .in domain?
2008-01-22T12:07:48  <blinx> I forget it all the time
2008-01-22T12:08:13  <ThomasWaldmann> terions.de (but I am not sure they sell single domains to end users)
2008-01-22T12:08:49  <blinx> I want a .me domain :)
2008-01-22T12:12:16  <ThomasWaldmann> blinx: not sure they do that, it is quite new (if it is already available)
2008-01-22T12:21:10  <blinx> hm
2008-01-22T12:21:32  <blinx> where I can find other companies for the .me domain?
2008-01-22T12:26:29  <ThomasWaldmann> use google :)
2008-01-22T12:34:23  <blinx> already done
2008-01-22T12:34:25  <blinx> no success
2008-01-22T12:38:04  * cb22 wants mini.me
2008-01-22T12:39:55  <cb22> so, closing is offically closed
2008-01-22T12:40:09  <cb22> s/closing/claiming/
2008-01-22T12:50:46  <dreimark> moin
2008-01-22T12:51:47  <cb22> moin dreimark
2008-01-22T13:35:18  <blinx> cb22: :)
2008-01-22T13:36:39  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, we could invalidate all still-open tasks to make the list shorter and avoid claims
2008-01-22T14:14:08  <cb22> :( why couldnt task 113 be around 2 days ago
2008-01-22T14:14:44  <ThomasWaldmann> because I made it up yesterday
2008-01-22T14:15:07  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: you can do it after GHOP :D
2008-01-22T14:16:46  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: sure :)
2008-01-22T14:17:22  <cb22> << installed and figured out how to use vim recently
2008-01-22T14:19:45  <cb22> just wondering, i (and im pretty sure every other student did too), thought GHOP was really cool / fun / good way to improve on skills / learn new things / help a community, what did you mentor guys think of it :)
2008-01-22T14:23:41  <xorAxAx> WTF - 28 by 1 students? :)
2008-01-22T14:23:44  <xorAxAx> not bad
2008-01-22T14:23:48  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it is cool :)
2008-01-22T14:24:29  <xorAxAx> we attracted more students than asf, mono or plone
2008-01-22T14:24:47  <xorAxAx> and we have most open tasks :)
2008-01-22T14:24:47  <ThomasWaldmann> it's even a bit more fun that SOC, because it is not THAT critical
2008-01-22T14:25:21  <ThomasWaldmann> s/that/than/
2008-01-22T14:26:24  <ThomasWaldmann> but in the end, the amount of help we got is quite comparable to SOC
2008-01-22T14:27:42  <ThomasWaldmann> and for the students, it is a good training for contributing to open source, maybe doing a SOC project later
2008-01-22T14:33:32  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: btw, how many tasks did you complete yet?
2008-01-22T14:34:03  <toto> hi
2008-01-22T14:34:32  <ThomasWaldmann> uuh, > 200 students completed less than 3 tasks
2008-01-22T14:34:36  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: me? i've done 9. this is my 10th
2008-01-22T14:35:46  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: that's a quite high rank in the stats
2008-01-22T14:35:51  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: likely the translators
2008-01-22T14:36:17  <toto>  can anybody help me how to use colorer plugin on moinmoin?
2008-01-22T14:36:58  <ThomasWaldmann> what colorer plugin? btw, if you question is not development related, rather use #moin.
2008-01-22T14:37:09  <toto> sorry
2008-01-22T14:37:20  <ThomasWaldmann> np :)
2008-01-22T14:38:41  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: I don't think it's the translators, we have lots of translation tasks open.
2008-01-22T14:39:02  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well, not sure if that means a lot
2008-01-22T14:39:06  <xorAxAx> but we can check
2008-01-22T14:39:10  <xorAxAx> s/can/could/
2008-01-22T14:40:36  <ThomasWaldmann> asf didnt have a single coding project?
2008-01-22T14:41:12  <cb22> imho ASF would have quite a high barrior to entry
2008-01-22T14:41:22  <cb22> (for coding tasks)
2008-01-22T14:42:26  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: not sure mono has a less high barrier
2008-01-22T14:43:30  <xorAxAx> mono should be easy
2008-01-22T14:43:41  <xorAxAx> they have a lot of libs that should grow easy tasks
2008-01-22T14:43:55  <xorAxAx> its not like the students would have to work on the jit :)
2008-01-22T15:56:23  <kikka> huhu
2008-01-22T16:00:43  <ThomasWaldmann> hey kikka
2008-01-22T16:04:15  <kikka> Hello ThomasWaldmann! How are you?
2008-01-22T16:08:57  <ThomasWaldmann> good, lots of todo, though :)
2008-01-22T16:10:03  <kikka> Well, the first half year ends, and the grades are written down.
2008-01-22T16:12:00  <ThomasWaldmann> gtg bbl
2008-01-22T16:12:43  <dreimark> seems I am blind today.
2008-01-22T16:12:45  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer/xmlrpc_getPage
2008-01-22T16:12:53  <dreimark> can one fix my mistake
2008-01-22T16:13:01  <dreimark> johill: ?
2008-01-22T16:14:06  <xorAxAx> dreimark: print result
2008-01-22T16:14:31  <rafael> dreimark: homework has no pagename, is that right?
2008-01-22T16:20:35  <dreimark> xorAxAx: result is <xmlrpclib.MultiCallIterator instance
2008-01-22T16:20:48  <xorAxAx> dreimark: then you need to unpack it
2008-01-22T16:20:56  <xorAxAx> by calling tuple() on it
2008-01-22T16:22:03  <dreimark> :)
2008-01-22T16:38:17  <dreimark> xorAxAx: what is the reason not to return a tuple?
2008-01-22T16:38:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: cant imagine a reason :)
2008-01-22T16:38:47  <xorAxAx> dreimark: hmm, well, theoretically you could stream the answer
2008-01-22T16:38:56  <xorAxAx> so you get the first reply before the response has ended
2008-01-22T16:39:05  <xorAxAx> but i dont think that this is implemented
2008-01-22T16:50:44  <dreimark> xorAxAx: doesn't wikisync  transfer attachments ?
2008-01-22T16:53:35  <dreimark> at least for direction down it would be nice
2008-01-22T16:56:02  <dreimark> ah I see a dependency on devolping items ;)
2008-01-22T17:38:31  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-22T18:03:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe @ last #97 comment
2008-01-22T18:26:32  <bolekk> moin
2008-01-22T18:39:48  <ThomasWaldmann> hi bolekk
2008-01-22T18:42:48  <blinx> idea for moin: better support of external applications
2008-01-22T18:42:51  <blinx> e.g. gedit
2008-01-22T18:43:36  <blinx> maybe api -> login screen of gedit appears, user has to log in and then everything could be done in the editor
2008-01-22T18:52:05  <grzywacz> moin
2008-01-22T21:23:08  <ernestas> moin
2008-01-22T21:29:35  <ThomasWaldmann> hi ernestas
2008-01-22T21:34:23  <ernestas> 
ACTION is listening to the GSOC podcast about GHOP and significant women involvment in it
2008-01-22T21:34:36  <ernestas> I wonder if there are any women in Moin community?
2008-01-22T21:34:38  <xorAxAx> ernestas: its a nice one
2008-01-22T21:34:59  <xorAxAx> ernestas: we had ninnnu for 2 tasks and there is starshine_away :)
2008-01-22T21:35:37  <ernestas> oh, I didn't know about that :) it's nice to hear
2008-01-22T21:36:50  <xorAxAx> also you will find female editors in the moin wiki
2008-01-22T21:37:15  <ernestas> most nicknames are confising so it's hard to guess who is who at least on IRC
2008-01-22T21:37:23  <ernestas> *confusing
2008-01-22T21:37:45  <xorAxAx> btw, i didnt expect the sociologist at the "table" not to say anything about a bit more scientific background
2008-01-22T21:38:02  <xorAxAx> ernestas: yes, thats why irc also reveals the real name usually
2008-01-22T21:38:54  * ernestas looks at his "real" name. ooops
2008-01-22T21:39:30  <xorAxAx> ernestas: your parents must have hated you :)
2008-01-22T21:39:39  <xorAxAx> when they chose "Ewrirw" :)
2008-01-22T21:40:16  * ernestas loughs out loud. Yeah, they would have hated me pretty much if they gave me such name ;)))
2008-01-22T21:43:44  <ThomasWaldmann> ernestas: could've been worse, like "Java Ninja" :))
2008-01-22T21:44:44  <ninnnu> http://xkcd.com/327/
2008-01-22T21:45:04  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ninnnu has highlighting on :)
2008-01-22T21:45:09  <ninnnu> Always :P
2008-01-22T21:45:40  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: yeah, would be a nice name :)
2008-01-22T22:14:09  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PythonParserIndentingTrouble
2008-01-22T22:21:08  <dreimark> hi ninnnu
2008-01-22T22:22:54  <ninnnu> Hi dreimark
2008-01-22T22:26:40  <dreimark> are your school holidays over too?
2008-01-22T22:27:01  <ninnnu> Yep
2008-01-22T22:27:31  <ninnnu> I guess none is on holidays anymore, haven't been for a while...
2008-01-22T22:28:09  <ninnnu> (or... Dunno about those countries where's summer now)
2008-01-22T22:28:44  <dreimark> do you know if there are others from your school were involved in ghop?
2008-01-22T22:29:17  <ernestas> ]
2008-01-22T22:29:40  <ninnnu> AFAIK no...
2008-01-22T22:29:48  <ninnnu> My school isn't very active when it comes to OSS, anyway
2008-01-22T22:30:16  * cb22 finds it rae that opensource and schools mix
2008-01-22T22:30:20  <cb22> rare*
2008-01-22T22:30:23  <xorAxAx> my ex-school only installed linux because they realised that no windows installation was licensed :)
2008-01-22T22:30:38  <ninnnu> Everything runs on Win-stuff and the Moodle-like environment is bought from <insert random Finnish company here> when other schools from my city uses Moodle..
2008-01-22T22:30:48  <xorAxAx> moodle sounds nice
2008-01-22T22:31:17  <cb22> ninnnu: do you use laptops at your school?
2008-01-22T22:31:33  <xorAxAx> my ex-school bought proprietary totally broken solutions for all kinds of stuff (not including elearning). if asked, teachers might reply "a band?" to the question what elearning is
2008-01-22T22:31:35  <ninnnu> But Finnish schools are converting to Linux, Kauniala announced that a school(s?) with 1200 students has changed to Linux just a few days ago
2008-01-22T22:31:36  <dreimark> I think the ghop shirt will attract attention ;)
2008-01-22T22:31:38  <ninnnu> cb22: No :(
2008-01-22T22:32:03  <cb22> same here :( it feels like the stone age
2008-01-22T22:32:25  <ninnnu> (Even though our prime minister received the "gift" from Gates, the Live@Edu to every Finnish school "for free" and so on)
2008-01-22T22:32:25  <cb22> dreimark: heh, but i have to wear uniforms too :/
2008-01-22T22:32:36  <ninnnu> We don't have uniforms \o/
2008-01-22T22:32:42  <cb22> 'for free'
2008-01-22T22:32:44  <ernestas> hehe, I remember when I have tryed to push OOo in my school... without any success. they have hated me afterwards for being too bold...
2008-01-22T22:32:58  <xorAxAx> cb22: arent you allowed to open your shirt to show the t-shirt under it? :)
2008-01-22T22:33:17  <cb22> xorAxAx: nope, id probably end up with saturday dt
2008-01-22T22:33:21  <xorAxAx> dt?
2008-01-22T22:33:33  <cb22> == 3 hours DT on a saturday == doing bugger all for 3 hours
2008-01-22T22:33:51  <xorAxAx> annoying and repressive
2008-01-22T22:33:59  <cb22> too true
2008-01-22T22:34:15  <xorAxAx> on the other hand, i would let the student do that in case of google ads in the school as well :)
2008-01-22T22:34:34  <cb22> they are really retarded. talking in class... DT! swearing at the teacher and smoking... DT!
2008-01-22T22:34:35  <dreimark> I tried to push OOo in the company I work too.
2008-01-22T22:34:46  <xorAxAx> cb22: what does DT mean?
2008-01-22T22:34:52  <cb22> detention
2008-01-22T22:34:55  <xorAxAx> ah
2008-01-22T22:35:04  <ernestas> dreimark: and what happened?
2008-01-22T22:35:08  <xorAxAx> cb22: as long as they dont separate races
2008-01-22T22:35:15  <cb22> pretty soon they will start waterboarding us :/
2008-01-22T22:35:19  <cb22> xorAxAx: hehe
2008-01-22T22:35:32  <dreimark> adminstration doesn't like to change it was rejected
2008-01-22T22:35:46  <dreimark> but at our institute we have almost all in linux
2008-01-22T22:35:55  <xorAxAx> cb22: well, its kind of weird to see politically rather stable countries in africa
2008-01-22T22:36:08  <cb22> yep, indeed. not for long though
2008-01-22T22:36:21  <dreimark> ernestas: and we decided to reply with dvi if we got to much doc files
2008-01-22T22:36:39  * xorAxAx likes africa because of its timezones :)
2008-01-22T22:36:55  <cb22> xorAxAx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma
2008-01-22T22:36:59  <cb22> read it. its scary
2008-01-22T22:37:12  <dreimark> I did later on with a colleague a FR to use pdf and after 3.5 years they decided to change
2008-01-22T22:37:21  <cb22> especially the corruption and rape charges bit
2008-01-22T22:37:39  <cb22> he had sex with a HIV positive woman, and then showered to not get aids :/
2008-01-22T22:38:04  <cb22> and he could be the president of a country with the worlds second highest aids rate
2008-01-22T22:38:43  <ernestas> 3.5 years is quite long time for a change, but all's well what ends well
2008-01-22T22:38:49  <xorAxAx> cb22: at least he is progressive when it comes to polygamy :)
2008-01-22T22:39:11  <cb22> hehe
2008-01-22T22:39:28  <cb22> i can bearly handle 1 girlfriend, how would i survive with 6 wives :(
2008-01-22T22:40:09  <dreimark> ernestas: principle yes but now they do have to convert every doc form they did in between :)
2008-01-22T22:42:07  <xorAxAx> "he is convinced to observe whether a woman wants to have sex with him"
2008-01-22T22:42:26  <cb22> xorAxAx: see why i said not any more?
2008-01-22T22:44:09  <cb22> the good thing is, he only could become president in 2009, which is when i finish school, and i have an italian eu passport, so, ah, goodbye south africa
2008-01-22T22:48:30  <cb22> anyways, i have school tomorrow, gn all
2008-01-22T22:49:11  <dreimark> gn cb22
2008-01-22T22:49:15  <bolekk_> gn cb22
2008-01-22T22:50:04  <xorAxAx> gn cb22
2008-01-22T22:50:19  <ernestas> gn cb22
2008-01-22T23:01:42  <bolekk_> yeah , moinattachment seems to be working :)
2008-01-22T23:01:47  <bolekk_> (at least on firefox)
2008-01-22T23:24:29  <dreimark> bolekk_: :)
2008-01-22T23:52:51  <dreimark> bolekk_: :)
2008-01-22T23:52:57  <dreimark> gn
2008-01-22T23:53:06  <bolekk_> gn dreimark