2008-01-27T03:13:33 <forrestv_> I updated issue 103. I think I am finished.
2008-01-27T03:48:13 <ThomasWaldmann> forrestv_: we'll have a look at it later today
2008-01-27T03:48:31 <forrestv_> ok
2008-01-27T10:25:49 <dreimark> moin
2008-01-27T10:29:43 <dreimark> issue 103 the first help block misses a hint about server
2008-01-27T10:29:52 <dreimark> MoinMoin/script/moin.py
2008-01-27T10:31:38 <dreimark> if it is only called MoinMoin/script/moin.py server standalone
2008-01-27T10:32:26 <dreimark> it should check before starting if it is called from a toplevel dir of a wiki instance
2008-01-27T10:32:48 <xorAxAx> dreimark: ?
2008-01-27T10:32:52 <xorAxAx> why is that necessary?
2008-01-27T10:33:12 <dreimark> because it should immediatetly stop and tell that
2008-01-27T10:33:19 <dreimark> data_underlay_dir "/home/ree/workspace/moin-1.7/wiki/underlay" does not exists, or has incorrect ownership or permissions.
2008-01-27T10:33:34 <dreimark> you get in the browser
2008-01-27T10:33:59 <dreimark> that it is too late in my eyes
2008-01-27T10:34:20 <xorAxAx> dreimark: thats unrelated to whether your current workdir is a wiki instance
2008-01-27T10:34:56 <xorAxAx> moin picked up a wikiconfig.py like it usually does
2008-01-27T10:36:34 <dreimark> ok then it should tell the config error earlier
2008-01-27T10:36:54 <dreimark> it can check it at this point
2008-01-27T10:37:20 <dreimark> sorry have to catch a train
2008-01-27T10:37:22 <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-27T12:11:06 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, a spammer learned to answer one of our questions
2008-01-27T12:13:46 <cb22> :(
2008-01-27T12:14:56 <ThomasWaldmann> let's see how long it takes him to learn another one :)
2008-01-27T12:32:36 <ThomasWaldmann> a='HACKED BY gARD<C4><B0>YAN UFUqqq'
2008-01-27T12:32:51 <ThomasWaldmann> (that answer was wrong :D )
2008-01-27T12:33:00 <cb22> haha
2008-01-27T12:41:12 <ThomasWaldmann> hah, one is trying dictionary attack
2008-01-27T12:46:29 <ThomasWaldmann> a='2, the first one still exists-just in a different state.' (the apples' question)
2008-01-27T12:49:48 * cb22 sighs: dumbass spammers
2008-01-27T12:54:53 <ThomasWaldmann> is some(one|thing) answering english, php, asp, html, '', text, frontpage to the question about what programming language we use a human or a bot? :D
2008-01-27T12:56:06 <ninnnu> I fail on some of those question :/
2008-01-27T12:56:56 <ThomasWaldmann> some failures are expected. but some are astonishing
2008-01-27T12:59:29 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, regular editors can just get onto http://moinmo.in/TrustedEditorGroup
2008-01-27T13:00:09 <ninnnu> (And spammers fails on my site/CMS, I don't know what they're trying, but I get weird queries to tag-filter... And none has even tried to spam the comments. Even though it's spambot-test is just "I think. I have to eat spam" or "I don't think. I make people eat spam"-radio buttons)
2008-01-27T13:00:56 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: btw, it has some advantages if login name == homepage name
2008-01-27T13:01:46 <ThomasWaldmann> ninnnu: hehe
2008-01-27T13:02:41 <ThomasWaldmann> my impression is that some try some simple "AI"
2008-01-27T13:02:53 <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: i know, but i cannot change my username
2008-01-27T13:03:08 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. I have answers "cramer" for the question asking about a dev's last name
2008-01-27T13:03:23 <cb22> it was federicolorenzi, and then i changed to fedlor when i was looking at doing the caching issue
2008-01-27T13:03:28 <cb22> and i cannot change back
2008-01-27T13:03:44 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: that's a bug :)
2008-01-27T13:04:10 <cb22> indeed it is
2008-01-27T13:05:12 <ThomasWaldmann> did you try it recently? dreimark has fix something like that.
2008-01-27T13:05:28 <ThomasWaldmann> and use CamelCase
2008-01-27T13:06:08 <cb22> yay, it worked :)
2008-01-27T13:06:25 <cb22> i do, but my laziness shows through on irc sometimes :)
2008-01-27T13:07:13 <ThomasWaldmann> RecentChanges looks better now
2008-01-27T13:07:51 <cb22> btw, does anyone know of something like phpmyinfo but in python? something that i could quite easily right modules for?
2008-01-27T13:09:00 <cb22> s/right/write/
2008-01-27T13:09:08 <ThomasWaldmann> our brains work phonetic
2008-01-27T13:09:41 <ThomasWaldmann> and "no"
2008-01-27T14:30:28 <grzywacz> moin
2008-01-27T14:36:26 <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: can you give me the link to the don't give up frog please? :-)
2008-01-27T14:53:49 <ThomasWaldmann> use google
2008-01-27T14:57:26 <ThomasWaldmann> http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=never%20give%20up&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
2008-01-27T20:29:53 <dreimark> YoniWiz: ping
2008-01-27T20:38:55 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/Abbreviation the link to /ReleaseNotes points to a nonexisting page
2008-01-27T20:40:49 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: why is the 1.5 parser section having 2 different table layouts?
2008-01-27T20:43:10 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you do the pending review?
2008-01-27T20:43:43 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: cb22's?
2008-01-27T20:43:46 <YoniWiz> dreimark: pong
2008-01-27T20:43:53 <dreimark> hi
2008-01-27T20:43:57 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: no
2008-01-27T20:44:11 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: #103
2008-01-27T20:44:15 <dreimark> YoniWiz: it's easier here as in the tracker I think
2008-01-27T20:44:19 <YoniWiz> dreimark: hi
2008-01-27T20:44:22 <YoniWiz> dreimark: sure
2008-01-27T20:44:26 <YoniWiz> dreimark: whats up
2008-01-27T20:44:39 <dreimark> I do want more of the text in the table
2008-01-27T20:44:44 <dreimark> For Firefox there is Octaga. The embedding information is ...
2008-01-27T20:44:52 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: that is due tomorrow
2008-01-27T20:45:12 <dreimark> YoniWiz: see how http://moinmo.in/ErnestasLiubarskij/LinuxBrowserPlugins
2008-01-27T20:45:16 <dreimark> has done it
2008-01-27T20:45:35 <YoniWiz> dreimark: the due date was yesterday. am I on an extension?
2008-01-27T20:45:36 <dreimark> I don't want text blocks to read which could be added to the table
2008-01-27T20:45:37 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ? nevertheless there is code to review :)
2008-01-27T20:45:56 <dreimark> YoniWiz: yes, you are
2008-01-27T20:46:28 <YoniWiz> dreimark: okay. so for the plugins that exist only for firefox I should include them and simply say support = firefox only?
2008-01-27T20:46:36 <dreimark> yes
2008-01-27T20:46:58 <YoniWiz> dreimark: okay. I do not have time right now but I will soon, is that okay?
2008-01-27T20:47:09 <dreimark> tomorrow ?
2008-01-27T20:47:26 <YoniWiz> i will try for today but i dunno
2008-01-27T20:47:36 <dreimark> ok
2008-01-27T20:47:47 <dreimark> I am not sure if i get it always right
2008-01-27T20:47:57 <dreimark> YoniWiz: there are some plugins which don't embed?
2008-01-27T20:47:58 <YoniWiz> ?
2008-01-27T20:48:09 <YoniWiz> I do not understande
2008-01-27T20:48:17 <dreimark> moment
2008-01-27T20:48:36 <dreimark> Safari will open .pdf and .tiff out of the box.
2008-01-27T20:48:50 <dreimark> does this mean it can be used to embed a pdf in a page
2008-01-27T20:49:19 <dreimark> YoniWiz:
2008-01-27T20:49:28 <YoniWiz> oh i meant that like.... a plugin is not needed... it can embed or open in a new page without a plugin.. .(it works "out of the box" ... like a box software comes in)
2008-01-27T20:49:47 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: after i am finished with the parsermarket stuff, which is due today
2008-01-27T20:50:14 <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-27T20:50:27 <xorAxAx> reimar already had a look
2008-01-27T20:50:51 <dreimark> xorAxAx: i added it to the tracker some mins ago
2008-01-27T20:51:01 <xorAxAx> yes, as i just said :)
2008-01-27T20:51:32 <dreimark> (ok, I have talked about here in the morning)
2008-01-27T20:51:49 <xorAxAx> dreimark: --> #python.de
2008-01-27T20:52:23 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: you know you have still quite some todo?
2008-01-27T20:55:22 <ThomasWaldmann> 8 1.5 parsers done, ~30 to go
2008-01-27T21:03:52 <dreimark> YoniWiz: ah good to know, make it better understandable. I don't have a mac and can't get if it will embed or not. And do use the table
2008-01-27T21:04:49 <YoniWiz> k
2008-01-27T21:07:02 <dreimark> YoniWiz: you can give a note to the work of the other author/worker who has not finished it too. We do this practice all over the code too
2008-01-27T21:07:17 <YoniWiz> ok
2008-01-27T21:08:15 <dreimark> I do add a small comment about text/table on the tracker too
2008-01-27T21:09:09 <YoniWiz> k
2008-01-27T21:09:18 <YoniWiz> how should i credit him
2008-01-27T21:09:43 <YoniWiz> "jitterb?
2008-01-27T21:13:35 <dreimark> YoniWiz: jitterb...@mac.com
2008-01-27T21:15:00 <ThomasWaldmann> YoniWiz: you can ask him on the tracker
2008-01-27T21:16:15 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
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2008-01-27T21:25:26 <rafael> maybe someone can take a look at http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/%40SIG%40InCodeIsResolved
2008-01-27T21:27:13 <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: link is broken
2008-01-27T21:27:33 <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: yes i know, sorry but i havent really had much time to work on it, hopefully i'll get some done now.
2008-01-27T21:28:15 <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: i mean http://moinmo.in/RafaelWeber?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=PageEditor.py.diff - i'll fix it in the bug description
2008-01-27T21:29:08 <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: that patch is only handling {{{@XXX@}}}, right?
2008-01-27T21:29:44 <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: well, it replaces @XXX@ where is no {{{ }}} around
2008-01-27T21:30:32 <ThomasWaldmann> what about {{{ @XXX@ }}}?
2008-01-27T21:30:37 <ThomasWaldmann> or
2008-01-27T21:30:38 <ThomasWaldmann> {{{
2008-01-27T21:30:42 <ThomasWaldmann> bla bla
2008-01-27T21:30:43 <ThomasWaldmann> ...
2008-01-27T21:30:49 <ThomasWaldmann> bla @XXX@
2008-01-27T21:30:51 <ThomasWaldmann> bla
2008-01-27T21:30:52 <ThomasWaldmann> }}}
2008-01-27T21:31:10 <ThomasWaldmann> or parsers using a completely different markup for pre?
2008-01-27T21:31:51 <ThomasWaldmann> or nested {{{ ...
2008-01-27T21:32:08 <ThomasWaldmann> (in short: you can't do it not using a parser)
2008-01-27T21:32:22 <rafael> hm yes, that's correct. so this was a bad idea
2008-01-27T21:32:32 <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: btw, i used to be in a no textcha group with my old username, but now i changed it back, how can i sort this out?
2008-01-27T21:33:35 <ThomasWaldmann> i fix it
2008-01-27T21:33:48 <cb22> thanks
2008-01-27T21:34:36 <ThomasWaldmann> </nag>
2008-01-27T21:34:43 <ThomasWaldmann> try it
2008-01-27T21:35:09 <cb22> great, thanks :)
2008-01-27T21:36:05 <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: do you have another idea how to handle this? maybe access the doctree or something?
2008-01-27T21:36:20 <ThomasWaldmann> there is no doctree
2008-01-27T21:37:20 <ThomasWaldmann> one could write a special parser, converting the input (with @STUFF@) to the desired output
2008-01-27T21:37:44 <ThomasWaldmann> but I guess that has rather low priority right now
2008-01-27T21:37:46 * YoniWiz updates wiki
2008-01-27T21:38:08 <ThomasWaldmann> (i did a similar thing for the 1.5 > 1.6 converter)
2008-01-27T21:38:18 <YoniWiz> dreimark: i have made those changes
2008-01-27T21:38:47 <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: how do you mean that?
2008-01-27T21:40:57 <dreimark> YoniWiz: does svg be embeded ?
2008-01-27T21:41:10 <YoniWiz> as far as i know, yes
2008-01-27T21:41:45 <YoniWiz> it comes with the browser and i have never seen one embedded but I am almost sure it will becasue the other things it supports it does
2008-01-27T21:43:21 <dreimark> make a line in the table, same with midi
2008-01-27T21:43:37 <YoniWiz> even though they play without needing a plugin?
2008-01-27T21:43:50 <YoniWiz> I do not know what the example html is or where to find embedding information
2008-01-27T21:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: see MoinMoin/script/migration/...
2008-01-27T21:44:18 <dreimark> YoniWiz: ah ok (I have not seen this difference)
2008-01-27T21:44:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (but in case you want to hack parser stuff, I would rather suggest not doing that, but helping bug fixing the parser)
2008-01-27T21:45:04 <YoniWiz> dreimark: what do you mean?
2008-01-27T21:45:20 <dreimark> YoniWiz: it is ok to have it in the text
2008-01-27T21:45:45 <dreimark> on linux you need a plugin to get midi support mac has it implemented
2008-01-27T21:45:48 <YoniWiz> dreimark: cool, thanks
2008-01-27T21:46:04 <dreimark> about the ms plugins
2008-01-27T21:46:10 <YoniWiz> dreimark: yes because quicktime is an apple program and comes with and it is built into most programs and will play it
2008-01-27T21:47:40 <dreimark> I do wonder a bit that mac has no plugin support for Ms documents
2008-01-27T21:50:33 <YoniWiz> I couldnt find one for Safari... Apple does not like to support Microsoft products much
2008-01-27T21:51:26 <YoniWiz> oh wait
2008-01-27T21:51:28 <YoniWiz> my mistake
2008-01-27T21:51:32 <YoniWiz> that word one works in both
2008-01-27T21:51:50 <YoniWiz> so does the pdf one
2008-01-27T21:51:57 <dreimark> http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginword/
2008-01-27T21:52:07 <YoniWiz> yes yes
2008-01-27T21:53:36 <YoniWiz> I have changed it to indicate those two plugins work in both
2008-01-27T21:53:56 <YoniWiz> i wonder if octaga works in both too
2008-01-27T21:56:30 <cb22> 11 parsers done, 32 to go
2008-01-27T21:57:10 <YoniWiz> dreimark: i am changing the one for vrml... that one is wrong
2008-01-27T21:57:34 <dreimark> ok, I am reading about xls and safari
2008-01-27T22:01:32 <dreimark> YoniWiz: If I remember right you have posted an url about a plugin test page which was a bit outdated here? Can you add this to your page too
2008-01-27T22:03:56 <dreimark> after you are ready with your changes on the page do make a pdf and upload it to the tracker
2008-01-27T22:13:23 <dreimark> this one http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/object-results.php#browsersDetails
2008-01-27T22:29:51 <YoniWiz> what?
2008-01-27T22:30:01 <YoniWiz> and i just submitted my final copy
2008-01-27T22:35:00 <dreimark> YoniWiz: ok, just add it to the wiki page
2008-01-27T22:35:15 <YoniWiz> the pdf?
2008-01-27T22:35:21 <dreimark> the url
2008-01-27T22:36:10 * dreimark comments on 56
2008-01-27T22:37:54 <YoniWiz> i dont see the comment
2008-01-27T22:38:12 <YoniWiz> what url should i add?
2008-01-27T22:38:20 <dreimark> 21:21 < dreimark> this one
2008-01-27T22:39:48 <dreimark> YoniWiz: I have closed it
2008-01-27T22:40:00 <YoniWiz> k thanks
2008-01-27T22:41:56 <YoniWiz> http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/object-results.php#browsersDetails ?
2008-01-27T22:43:36 <cb22> gn all
2008-01-27T22:43:47 <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: hopefully i shall finish my task tomorrow afternoon
2008-01-27T22:44:03 <cb22> btw, i've moved all the 1.3 and related things around, have a look if you have some time
2008-01-27T22:44:50 <dreimark> YoniWiz: yes
2008-01-27T22:45:00 <dreimark> cb22: good night
2008-01-27T22:46:19 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: looks ok at first glance
2008-01-27T22:46:32 <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: gn :)
2008-01-27T23:21:45 <dreimark> good night
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