MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-14

2008-02-14T08:05:36  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-02-14T08:57:25  <dreimark> moin
2008-02-14T08:59:41  <dreimark> johill: if i do use openid with a wiki do i need to do changes for acls?
2008-02-14T09:04:48  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i dont think so
2008-02-14T09:13:48  <dreimark> I wonder a bit about when you use as login your open id account when is it switched to your wiki name
2008-02-14T09:17:10  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc there is a field in userprefs for your openid and it searches for that
2008-02-14T09:18:00  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2008-02-14T09:27:45  <dreimark> ok
2008-02-14T09:41:36  <dreimark> and I assume it can or does work that way if I do use openid as module of a webserver
2008-02-14T09:42:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2008-02-14T09:42:30  <dreimark> I can use it to call openid once and does share my credentials to all wikis on that machine?
2008-02-14T09:44:50  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc, the moin openid code talks to some openid server, redirects you there, you login there, and if the openid server tells "auth successful", you are authenticated in moin (for the user that has this id in his profile)
2008-02-14T09:49:20  <dreimark> hmm, I do think i do want to be logged in in all sisterwikis by one login
2008-02-14T09:50:12  <dreimark> it should be doable because using openid you have always the same credentials
2008-02-14T09:51:02  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if you share the user and session dir, it could work by moin_session
2008-02-14T10:28:26  <dreimark> hmm, using openldap I can use  AuthName "restricted2" to setup same credential on diferent directories
2008-02-14T11:01:56  <dreimark> johill: ThomasWaldmann is it possible to share credentials between sisterwikis without sharing user and moin_session ?
2008-02-14T11:02:05  <dreimark> using openid
2008-02-14T11:15:23  <ThomasWaldmann> i think you need to share the user dir and the session dir
2008-02-14T12:33:43  <dreimark> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/103440/from/rss09
2008-02-14T12:45:42  <ThomasWaldmann> crazy
2008-02-14T12:51:24  * ThomasWaldmann thinks they should rather stop storing everyone's IP address (+ personal identification) at the provider, because this is the real problem, not the IP addresses in everyone's log files (without personal identification)
2008-02-14T12:57:58  <ThomasWaldmann> if someone has time, it would be interesting to check FF3 beta 3 with that nonascii filename problem
2008-02-14T12:58:14  <ThomasWaldmann> I tried, but ff3b3 crashes here with all sorts of strange errors.
2008-02-14T15:02:16  <johill> dreimark: no, each openid user still has a regular username that is checked for acls just normally
2008-02-14T15:12:55  <johill> dreimark: I don't think you can share credentials w/o sharing the user database, using a common session cache *and* setting the cookie path properly
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> sheep@ein default * 2555:f1bf333204c0 1.6/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py:
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> Creole: fix bug that prevents images inside links
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> Some formatters will output directly, so they have to be called
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> in the right order. The link emitter tried to obtain the contents
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> of the link before actually rendering the link, which resulted in
2008-02-14T16:28:51  <CIA-26> images being output outside the link.
2008-02-14T16:32:54  <TheSheep> argh
2008-02-14T16:32:59  <TheSheep> sorry for the user name
2008-02-14T16:33:22  <TheSheep> I changed it in the commit comment, weird :/
2008-02-14T16:35:34  <kikka> Heya.
2008-02-14T16:35:57  <TheSheep> hi kikka
2008-02-14T16:36:04  <kikka> Hey TheSheep
2008-02-14T17:15:14  <CIA-26> Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 3041:7400c1f2e20a 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_creole.py: Creole: fix bug that prevents images inside links
2008-02-14T17:16:14  <dreimark> johill: this means we can not use it for single sign login
2008-02-14T17:16:41  <johill> dreimark: why not?
2008-02-14T17:17:04  <johill> or use what for ssi?
2008-02-14T17:18:26  * dreimark my network is a bit broken here, much delay
2008-02-14T17:21:07  <dreimark> I thought I can use something similiar to AuthName on a dir directive at the web server config
2008-02-14T17:21:37  <johill> hm
2008-02-14T17:21:39  <johill> don't think I understand
2008-02-14T17:21:56  <dreimark> i tried a bit with ldap
2008-02-14T17:23:05  <johill> once you have the session stuff and user db shared it should work if the cookies are sent
2008-02-14T17:25:55  <dreimark> ah ok.
2008-02-14T17:26:18  <johill> so you need to set a shared cookie path too
2008-02-14T17:26:30  <johill> you can do that, but only if the sites are in a common domain
2008-02-14T17:28:26  <dreimark> that's ok if I can use it for wikis on one machine
2008-02-14T17:28:55  <dreimark> one more reason to get 1.7 soon ;)
2008-02-14T17:29:02  <johill> should even work with 1.6
2008-02-14T17:40:04  <dreimark> johill: I thought openid is a feature of 1.7 it is already in 1.6?
2008-02-14T17:40:30  <johill> oh
2008-02-14T17:40:33  <johill> yes
2008-02-14T17:40:47  <johill> I was just talking about the single sign-in scheme
2008-02-14T17:47:16  <dreimark> ah. ok. my fault. I like to combine wiki access with the same access method as some other web services
2008-02-14T18:41:38  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i had that problem, too, in the wiki arser
2008-02-14T18:41:42  <ThomasWaldmann> +p
2008-02-14T19:23:21  <ThomasWaldmann> strange stuff on the mailing list
2008-02-14T19:23:45  <ThomasWaldmann> see latest msg with "Re: ... script error while migrating from 1.5 to 1.6"
2008-02-14T19:24:02  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe a windows user can explain this :X
2008-02-14T20:26:05  * ThomasWaldmann thinks about mapping URL subitem -> attachment filename
2008-02-14T20:27:18  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: do you have ff3 installed?
2008-02-14T20:27:26  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2008-02-14T20:27:45  <ThomasWaldmann> could you try how it behaves relating to this bug:
2008-02-14T20:28:01  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/Non-ASCII%20attachment%20names%20corrupted%20on%20download
2008-02-14T20:28:45  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: sorry, Microsoft Word doesn't really work too well on my Linux
2008-02-14T20:29:18  <ThomasWaldmann> you dont need word
2008-02-14T20:29:18  <TheSheep> ah, sorry, I've read the comment first
2008-02-14T20:29:30  <TheSheep> I skipped the text at the top
2008-02-14T20:29:50  <ThomasWaldmann> and i guess ff3 downloads the example attachments ok (as ff2 does)
2008-02-14T20:30:07  <ThomasWaldmann> the question is whether ff3 would also work with the rfc method
2008-02-14T20:31:35  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, no
2008-02-14T20:31:47  <ThomasWaldmann> that doesn't help us
2008-02-14T20:32:19  <ThomasWaldmann> because IE is broken for direct utf-8 AND for rfc compliant headers
2008-02-14T20:32:21  <TheSheep> the russian one downloads fine
2008-02-14T20:32:29  <TheSheep> the hebrwe one displays instead of downloading
2008-02-14T20:32:40  <ThomasWaldmann> same here
2008-02-14T20:32:49  <ThomasWaldmann> but save as gives correct filename
2008-02-14T20:32:57  <TheSheep> yes
2008-02-14T20:33:38  <TheSheep> I'd really, *really*, REALLY want to say "fuck ie"
2008-02-14T20:34:06  * ThomasWaldmann too
2008-02-14T20:34:11  <TheSheep> but I know it's too early, a year or two from now maybe...
2008-02-14T20:34:45  <ThomasWaldmann> http://example.com/pagename/%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA.txt?acion=AttachFile&do=get so this style could be the solution
2008-02-14T20:34:52  <TheSheep> once its market share drops below 30%, everyone will rapidly turn away from it
2008-02-14T20:35:13  <ThomasWaldmann> (and we'll have this anyway in moin 2.0)
2008-02-14T20:35:23  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: have you tried opera? it has some url-encoding-related bugs, especially in widgets
2008-02-14T20:35:37  <ThomasWaldmann> so the question is whether that really works for everybody
2008-02-14T20:35:58  <ThomasWaldmann> i only have ff2 on this machine and rather limited space
2008-02-14T20:36:05  <TheSheep> I see
2008-02-14T20:36:15  * TheSheep installs opera
2008-02-14T20:36:17  <ThomasWaldmann> on my company machine ff3 only crashed
2008-02-14T20:37:03  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it still may be a bug of windows, not firefox
2008-02-14T20:37:12  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: have you tested it on firefox for windows?
2008-02-14T20:37:24  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2008-02-14T20:37:47  <ThomasWaldmann> but see that table on the page
2008-02-14T20:38:13  <ThomasWaldmann> what we do right now is not rfc compliant (but works for FF and maybe some others)
2008-02-14T20:38:24  <TheSheep> I like that "RFC2231
2008-02-14T20:38:30  <TheSheep> " support table
2008-02-14T20:38:31  <TheSheep> :)
2008-02-14T20:38:40  <ThomasWaldmann> if we do it rfc compliant, everything except FF is broken also.
2008-02-14T20:38:56  <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe even more than with current method?)
2008-02-14T20:39:01  <TheSheep> yeah, but with a hope of fixing in next version at least
2008-02-14T20:39:19  <ThomasWaldmann> hope for what? IE?
2008-02-14T20:39:45  <TheSheep> for ie I hope for a fast but painful death
2008-02-14T20:39:46  <dreimark>   are there things I should try with http_auth ?
2008-02-14T20:40:39  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, whether it keeps the session now
2008-02-14T20:40:50  <ThomasWaldmann> (test says yes :)
2008-02-14T20:41:17  <ThomasWaldmann> http://example.com/pagename/%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA.txt funny. go there and do "save as" in FF. Look at the filename.
2008-02-14T20:42:38  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: using auth = [http, moin_session]
2008-02-14T20:44:33  * dreimark reads the bug report page
2008-02-14T20:45:32  <dreimark> should logout kill the session ? because it doesn't
2008-02-14T20:46:57  <dreimark> mom, may be the config here
2008-02-14T20:47:33  <TheSheep> dreimark: action=logout&logout=1
2008-02-14T20:47:46  <TheSheep> dreimark: it won't work with just action=logout, it does nothing
2008-02-14T20:48:03  <TheSheep> (it least it was like that in 1.5.x_
2008-02-14T20:48:54  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i added a table at the bottom of that page
2008-02-14T20:49:47  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I get 500
2008-02-14T20:51:34  <ThomasWaldmann> retry
2008-02-14T20:52:23  <TheSheep> The requested URL /pagename/עברית.txt was not found on this server. <-- firefox 2
2008-02-14T20:52:58  <TheSheep> The requested URL /pagename/עברית.txt was not found on this server. < -- firefox 3
2008-02-14T20:53:45  <ThomasWaldmann> sure. but try save as...
2008-02-14T20:54:14  <TheSheep> ah
2008-02-14T20:54:27  <TheSheep> saveas works
2008-02-14T20:54:28  <TheSheep> I didn't notice the filename initially %)
2008-02-14T20:54:30  <TheSheep> rtl :)
2008-02-14T20:55:09  <TheSheep> good thing that Japanese and Chinese have horizontal versions, come to think...
2008-02-14T20:55:10  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, see my comment :)
2008-02-14T20:55:16  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-02-14T20:55:51  <ThomasWaldmann> where are our mac users?
2008-02-14T20:57:47  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: getting one :)
2008-02-14T20:57:52  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: opera works fine with both
2008-02-14T20:58:27  <ThomasWaldmann> you have a mac?
2008-02-14T20:59:43  <TheSheep> no, a friend has
2008-02-14T20:59:54  <TheSheep> he just tried the doc file and it saves correctly :/
2008-02-14T21:00:04  <TheSheep> I guess it depends on the version
2008-02-14T21:01:35  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: works
2008-02-14T21:01:39  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, please add infos to those tables
2008-02-14T21:01:53  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: great :)
2008-02-14T21:02:52  * TheSheep tests in ie6
2008-02-14T21:03:32  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: but logout is a bit strange, because it looks you are logged out, but you aren't
2008-02-14T21:04:19  <dreimark> s/looks/looks like/
2008-02-14T21:04:51  <ThomasWaldmann> iitc, this is normal for http auth, you have to close the browser
2008-02-14T21:05:35  <dreimark> I know, i will remove the button from the theme or can we do this by config
2008-02-14T21:06:14  <dreimark> should it store the page trail as it does without http_auth?
2008-02-14T21:06:44  * TheSheep waits for pure evil to be installed on hic computer
2008-02-14T21:06:46  <TheSheep> his
2008-02-14T21:07:09  <dreimark> logout cleans the page trail
2008-02-14T21:10:37  <dreimark> logout and closing the browser gives no pagetrail for the next session
2008-02-14T21:10:50  <dreimark> while closing without logout saves the page trail
2008-02-14T21:11:07  <dreimark> TheSheep:
2008-02-14T21:11:10  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2008-02-14T21:11:40  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, logout kills the session, as expected
2008-02-14T21:12:56  <TheSheep> wow, ies4linux has msie7 too!
2008-02-14T21:19:07  <TheSheep> nice, wine segfaults :/
2008-02-14T21:22:13  <TheSheep> :(
2008-02-14T22:13:46  <dreimark> mercurial is  missing dispatch.py in SuSE10.3
2008-02-14T23:24:11  <dreimark> gn
2008-02-14T23:41:29  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: if I wanted to rewrite the text_html formatter, which branch should I use?
2008-02-14T23:42:06  <TheSheep> s/rewrite/patch heavily/
2008-02-14T23:57:57  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.8