2008-04-06T00:05:21 <TheSheep> what's a 'TinyUrl Done' ?
2008-04-06T00:06:36 <dennda> TheSheep: it says clone
2008-04-06T00:06:44 <dennda> that's not a ligature ;)
2008-04-06T00:07:15 * TheSheep curses the firefox justified text kerning bug
2008-04-06T00:07:23 <TheSheep> I thought they have fixed it
2008-04-06T00:07:39 <dennda> renders niceley here
2008-04-06T00:10:02 <TheSheep> http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/shot.png
2008-04-06T00:10:08 <TheSheep> weird
2008-04-06T00:10:51 <dennda> i agree that sucks
2008-04-06T00:10:54 <dennda> murrine?
2008-04-06T00:11:56 <TheSheep> yes
2008-04-06T00:12:29 <dennda> that's not a standard xfce theme, is it?
2008-04-06T00:13:06 <TheSheep> dennda: no
2008-04-06T00:13:14 <TheSheep> dennda: modified StormCloud
2008-04-06T00:13:20 <dennda> looks nice
2008-04-06T00:13:29 <dennda> although I prefer non-rounded corners
2008-04-06T00:13:38 * TheSheep installs the java fonts
2008-04-06T00:13:54 <TheSheep> dennda: it's the default for xubuntu
2008-04-06T00:15:45 <TheSheep> ah, it's broken hinting due to non-standard dpi
2008-04-06T00:15:48 <TheSheep> sigh
2008-04-06T00:15:51 <dennda> is it?
2008-04-06T00:16:28 <TheSheep> yes, it uses verdana which is heavily hinted, but only for the standard widnows resolutions
2008-04-06T01:06:33 <cb22> moin
2008-04-06T11:55:25 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-06T12:20:43 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: can you please add a link to the changed page to the notification email's text?
2008-04-06T12:21:34 <ThomasWaldmann> (that feature was present before your refactoring and is already missed by users of master.moinmo.in)
2008-04-06T12:21:55 <ThomasWaldmann> (that feature was present before your refactoring and is already missed by users of master17.moinmo.in)
2008-04-06T12:49:01 <kikka> moin
2008-04-06T12:49:53 <ThomasWaldmann> hi kikka
2008-04-06T12:52:48 <kikka> Huhu ThomasWaldmann!
2008-04-06T12:54:52 <head> how do know about fuzzy soft
2008-04-06T17:07:54 <ThomasWaldmann> johill: btw, userprefs_disabled sorts better than disabled_userprefs
2008-04-06T17:08:07 <ThomasWaldmann> (see other existing settings)
2008-04-06T18:01:55 <dennda> So only one day left for applications
2008-04-06T18:01:57 <dennda> hurry!
2008-04-06T18:01:58 <dennda> :)
2008-04-06T18:27:01 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess I'll rename some cfg attribute now (the ones that are new in 1.7 and sort badly)
2008-04-06T18:36:06 * gizmach is back from weekend
2008-04-06T18:53:31 <dreimark> moin
2008-04-06T18:55:25 <dreimark> hi gizmach
2008-04-06T18:58:05 <gizmach> hi dreimark :)
2008-04-06T19:15:14 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3482:b0a794176dc4 1.7/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
2008-04-06T19:15:14 <CIA-47> sorted builtin default config, added more comments
2008-04-06T19:15:14 <CIA-47> renamed cfg.trusted_auth_methods to cfg.auth_methods_trusted
2008-04-06T19:15:14 <CIA-47> renamed cfg.disabled_userprefs to cfg.userprefs_disabled:
2008-04-06T19:47:47 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-04-06T19:53:17 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-04-06T20:02:45 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3483:0392c7258982 1.7/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py: builtin default config: improve sorting
2008-04-06T20:09:20 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we should have some more config snippets under wiki/config/more_samples/*
2008-04-06T20:10:45 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. for openid, jabber, other auths (i.e. every feature requiring complex configuration that should not be in the default wikiconfig)
2008-04-06T21:13:19 <dreimark> bbl
2008-04-06T21:18:42 <kikka> re
2008-04-06T21:21:19 <gizmach> kikka: hi :)
2008-04-06T21:21:26 <kikka> hey gizmach
2008-04-06T21:26:47 <kikka> gn all.
2008-04-06T21:51:04 <gizmach> what's the final number of aplications for gsoc?
2008-04-06T21:51:39 <xorAxAx> gizmach: well, we dont know yet :)
2008-04-06T21:51:48 <xorAxAx> still 27 hours to go
2008-04-06T21:52:07 <xorAxAx> also i would like to point out that students with bad tz calculation skills will get less points in the ranking process :-)
2008-04-06T21:52:35 <xorAxAx> oops, i should get less as well
2008-04-06T21:52:36 <xorAxAx> 28 hours
2008-04-06T21:54:09 <zenhase> :)
2008-04-06T21:54:25 <gizmach> xorAxAx: hehe :)
2008-04-06T21:56:56 <gizmach> xorAxAx: I ment until now :) it was bad sentence construction:)
2008-04-06T21:56:58 <gizmach> ;)
2008-04-06T21:57:18 <xorAxAx> 21+1
2008-04-06T21:57:38 <zenhase> this ever-confusing +1-application ...
2008-04-06T21:58:13 <zenhase> "order 5 gsoc-slots now, get the 6th one free"
2008-04-06T21:58:46 * gizmach confused
2008-04-06T21:58:51 <xorAxAx> i dont even know if we will find 6 distinct project ideas :)
2008-04-06T21:58:52 <gizmach> xorAxAx: thx :)
2008-04-06T21:59:10 <xorAxAx> but doing stuff two times isnt maybe even bad
2008-04-06T21:59:19 <zenhase> xorAxAx: so many similar applications?
2008-04-06T21:59:30 <xorAxAx> a lot
2008-04-06T22:00:05 * gizmach thinks she has one unique ide, and one that she shared with waldi
2008-04-06T22:00:09 <gizmach> idea*
2008-04-06T22:00:13 <zenhase> yeah
2008-04-06T22:00:20 <zenhase> i thought of the DOM thing too
2008-04-06T22:00:28 <gizmach> zenhase: :) yes
2008-04-06T22:00:45 <zenhase> i also would think that WSGI is perhaps represented more than one time
2008-04-06T22:00:58 <xorAxAx> gizmach: no, there is a third student with that idea
2008-04-06T22:01:06 <zenhase> yeah :)
2008-04-06T22:01:20 <xorAxAx> zenhase: i dont think so
2008-04-06T22:01:37 <gizmach> xorAxAx: yes we found out that :)
2008-04-06T22:15:36 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, what's the preferred format for the URL?
2008-04-06T22:15:47 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, embedded in text, in a separate line?
2008-04-06T22:15:57 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I don't remember what it used to be like :\
2008-04-06T22:21:41 <ThomasWaldmann> see the 1.5/1.6 repo :)
2008-04-06T22:25:12 <grzywacz> I knew it. :P
2008-04-06T22:25:29 <grzywacz> :D
2008-04-06T22:26:10 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: well, regressions are bad
2008-04-06T22:26:26 <xorAxAx> throwing away code losing features and then not wanting to look at the code ... :)
2008-04-06T22:26:49 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, who said that I don
2008-04-06T22:26:53 <grzywacz> t want to look? ;)
2008-04-06T22:27:00 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: nobody :)
2008-04-06T22:27:42 <grzywacz> It's obviously my fault and I'm fixing it now. ;)
2008-04-06T22:32:04 <grzywacz> Hm. A bigger monitor would be handy...
2008-04-06T22:35:51 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm. looks like pyxmpp development has stalled.
2008-04-06T22:38:30 <gizmach> http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg :)
2008-04-06T22:40:30 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, yes
2008-04-06T22:40:52 <grzywacz> TheSheep, I'm not sure if there's any actively developed xmpp library for Python
2008-04-06T22:41:50 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: maybe you could talk to the author if he not at least wants to make a current release of what's there.
2008-04-06T22:41:57 <TheSheep> grzywacz: there were at least 5 when I write a paper about them 4 years ago...
2008-04-06T22:42:09 <TheSheep> wrote*
2008-04-06T22:42:25 <ThomasWaldmann> as it looks now, we depend on a svn checkout and the svn is gone...
2008-04-06T22:43:23 <grzywacz> TheSheep, there was like zero when I was doing my SoC project last year.
2008-04-06T22:43:31 <grzywacz> TheSheep, pyxmpp was the only one that seemed reasonable
2008-04-06T22:44:30 <grzywacz> TheSheep, svn works for me
2008-04-06T22:44:36 <grzywacz> arrgh
2008-04-06T22:44:49 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, what did you mean by saying that svn was gone?
2008-04-06T22:45:32 <ThomasWaldmann> 404
2008-04-06T22:45:44 <ThomasWaldmann> or timeout? something like that.
2008-04-06T22:45:51 <grzywacz> Works for me.
2008-04-06T22:46:01 <grzywacz> This one -> svn checkout http://pyxmpp.jajcus.net/svn/pyxmpp/trunk pyxmpp
2008-04-06T22:48:25 <ThomasWaldmann> not from here
2008-04-06T22:48:30 <ThomasWaldmann> http://master17.moinmo.in/HelpOnNotification has dead link
2008-04-06T22:48:41 <ThomasWaldmann> "notification bot"
2008-04-06T22:48:45 <xorAxAx> somebody broke the internet :)
2008-04-06T22:51:14 * zenhase looks around nervously
2008-04-06T22:51:49 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe some undersea cable :P
2008-04-06T22:56:27 <grzywacz> Hm.
2008-04-06T22:56:34 <grzywacz> Why would this page disappear?
2008-04-06T22:57:57 * ThomasWaldmann guesses it never was there
2008-04-06T22:58:11 <ThomasWaldmann> same for event configuration docs :)
2008-04-06T22:59:46 <grzywacz> Well, I doubt if I'd create a link to a nonexistent page, but whatever.
2008-04-06T22:59:47 <grzywacz> ;)
2008-04-06T22:59:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe dont create that page
2008-04-06T23:00:06 <ThomasWaldmann> just stay on that page and describe related stuff there
2008-04-06T23:00:18 <grzywacz> Yeah, I don't intend to do it.
2008-04-06T23:00:58 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, pyxmpp author basically answered that he has nothing against me forking it :P
2008-04-06T23:01:40 <ThomasWaldmann> well, that was not the question, but ...
2008-04-06T23:02:03 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, he doesn't intend to develop it further.
2008-04-06T23:02:22 <ThomasWaldmann> then you should rather take it over than fork it :)
2008-04-06T23:03:05 <ThomasWaldmann> on the mailing list of it seems still to be some life
2008-04-06T23:03:09 <grzywacz> I asked about taking it over as well.
2008-04-06T23:03:28 <grzywacz> Then, because I got no replies, I asked about forking.
2008-04-06T23:03:38 <grzywacz> And the final answer is already known to you.
2008-04-06T23:04:02 <grzywacz> We shall see.
2008-04-06T23:04:20 <grzywacz> I'm still talking.
2008-04-06T23:04:40 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: which lib is used by gajim?
2008-04-06T23:05:01 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, pyxmppy or something like that
2008-04-06T23:05:14 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, but IIRC they maintain they own version of it inside the source tree
2008-04-06T23:05:16 <grzywacz> :S
2008-04-06T23:05:23 <xorAxAx> yeah, i heard something like that
2008-04-06T23:05:44 <xorAxAx> well, thats a viable solution
2008-04-06T23:05:54 <xorAxAx> they have a strong need to care for their fork
2008-04-06T23:10:07 <grzywacz> Esp. since it's probably the only version that's developed.
2008-04-06T23:10:59 <grzywacz> Anyway, pyxmpp looks good. After all he agreed that I may take the project over after I show him a set of changes and he likes them.
2008-04-06T23:11:03 <grzywacz> If not, I can fork.
2008-04-06T23:20:23 <grzywacz> 13 tests currently failing in 1.7
2008-04-06T23:20:29 <grzywacz> Correct, or did I break something?
2008-04-06T23:24:13 * ThomasWaldmann runs test
2008-04-06T23:27:35 <xorAxAx> ugh
2008-04-06T23:31:06 <ThomasWaldmann> it dislikes my snippets
2008-04-06T23:34:09 <grzywacz> :p
2008-04-06T23:34:13 <CIA-47> Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> default * 3484:be7c5a205cc2 1.7/MoinMoin/events/ (emailnotify.py notification.py): Regression fix: send page diff url in notification emails
2008-04-06T23:35:14 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3485:aff01569df82 1.7/ (7 files in 2 dirs): make sourcecode pep8 test happy
2008-04-06T23:35:18 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3486:79d7bce1095c 1.7/MoinMoin/events/ (emailnotify.py notification.py): merged main
2008-04-06T23:41:23 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3487:71b403707c1d 1.7/MoinMoin/log.py: use INFO loglevel in fallback logging config
2008-04-06T23:47:04 <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-06T23:47:37 <zenhase> this forking and maintaining in-tree business sounds a bit disturbing to me :o
2008-04-06T23:51:14 <xorAxAx> zenhase: please elaborate about your disturbances
2008-04-06T23:52:49 <zenhase> i was trying to think about it right now
2008-04-06T23:53:37 <zenhase> i think it first occured, when we talked about WSGI refactoring for moin and someone mentioned forking flup into the moin tree
2008-04-06T23:56:05 <zenhase> in this case it kind of felt wrong, because the refactoring should try to remove code to maintain instead of switching from one (like thfcgi for example) to another
2008-04-06T23:57:36 <zenhase> but this is really more of a gut feeling
2008-04-06T23:58:51 <zenhase> of you don't actually touch the externally obtained code and just bundle it for ease of deployment, it may be a viable thing to do
2008-04-06T23:59:16 <TheSheep> it's a tradeoff
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