MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-10

2008-04-10T00:12:37  <dreimark> ha, I fixed the google group naming conflict by deleting the duplicated mentor list.
2008-04-10T00:13:19  <TheSheep> fixity fix
2008-04-10T00:15:11  <dreimark> wesnoth 5
2008-04-10T00:17:00  <xorAxAx> so dsl works again? :)
2008-04-10T00:17:47  <dreimark> don't know, I'm in the office (back from pycologne)
2008-04-10T00:18:02  <xorAxAx> oh
2008-04-10T00:18:11  <xorAxAx> i thought you were at home
2008-04-10T00:18:45  <xorAxAx> " We are a little surprised that our preliminary slot count is two
2008-04-10T00:18:45  <xorAxAx> under what we got last year since this time around we have received more
2008-04-10T00:18:45  <xorAxAx> and better applications."
2008-04-10T00:18:47  <xorAxAx> (xwiki)
2008-04-10T00:19:41  <dreimark> rebecca was driving
2008-04-10T00:22:09  <xorAxAx> hmm, *summons his analyst skills* i guess gsoc 09 will support less students than this years soc
2008-04-10T00:22:52  <zenhase> xorAxAx: what makes you think that? drop in US dollars?
2008-04-10T00:23:10  <TheSheep> they get the publicity already
2008-04-10T00:23:13  <xorAxAx> zenhase: no. googles share development
2008-04-10T00:23:31  <xorAxAx> zenhase: the rise in the no. of slots this year was much less than last years
2008-04-10T00:23:39  <xorAxAx> so it might become negative next year
2008-04-10T00:25:16  <xorAxAx> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GOOG&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
2008-04-10T00:26:40  <zenhase> yeah, was looking at that right now too
2008-04-10T00:39:10  <dreimark> gn
2008-04-10T00:39:20  <xorAxAx> good night reimar
2008-04-10T00:41:58  <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3492:08928df97d11 1.7/MoinMoin/macro/RecentChanges.py: RecentChanges macro: do not use request.write(), but return output (as all other macros do)
2008-04-10T00:42:08  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ^^
2008-04-10T00:50:37  <TheSheep> \o/
2008-04-10T01:04:04  <ThomasWaldmann> we'll see later how a very long recentchanges behaves after this
2008-04-10T01:05:09  <TheSheep> yields would be nicer :)
2008-04-10T01:08:04  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but that needs other changes
2008-04-10T01:09:19  <ThomasWaldmann> also, for determining content-length and etag, we need to have all content before starting to write anyway
2008-04-10T01:10:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (not useful for rc, but for most other pages)
2008-04-10T01:15:35  <TheSheep> most other pages could cache it
2008-04-10T01:35:46  <xorAxAx> looks like i will have to defer ranking again to tomorrow
2008-04-10T01:35:56  <xorAxAx> umm, today :)
2008-04-10T01:36:07  <xorAxAx> good night
2008-04-10T02:30:04  <ThomasWaldmann> gn xorAxAx
2008-04-10T05:24:12  <fgs> hi
2008-04-10T05:24:19  <fgs> where should i send diffs?
2008-04-10T08:34:46  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-10T08:37:12  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-10T08:37:15  <dreimark> moin
2008-04-10T08:37:54  <dreimark> fgs: diffs for what ?
2008-04-10T09:01:24  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: see #moin
2008-04-10T09:02:01  <starshine> I think I can spend some code time on saturday :)
2008-04-10T09:15:51  <ThomasWaldmann> hi starshine :)
2008-04-10T09:21:01  <starshine> hi TW
2008-04-10T09:22:54  <starshine> I have to be up early tomorrow, so goodnight :)
2008-04-10T10:06:13  <gizmach> brb
2008-04-10T10:20:46  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-10T12:01:12  * waldi thinks he found a bug in pyexpat ...
2008-04-10T12:04:02  <waldi> yeah, but it is academic
2008-04-10T12:51:02  <dennda> gnaa
2008-04-10T12:51:29  <dennda> I didn't realize that the "acceptet student proposals" deadline was deferred, too
2008-04-10T12:54:22  <gizmach> dennda: yes everything is shifted
2008-04-10T13:13:37  <dennda> gnagna
2008-04-10T13:14:08  <dennda> gizmach: actually not
2008-04-10T13:14:16  <dennda> coding still starts on may 26th
2008-04-10T13:16:32  <zenhase> moin
2008-04-10T13:17:03  <dennda> hey
2008-04-10T13:20:23  <zenhase> waldi: bug?
2008-04-10T13:21:33  <zenhase> and why is it academic? does it hold lectures?
2008-04-10T13:28:25  <gizmach> dennda: well, I didn't see it
2008-04-10T13:28:35  <gizmach> dennda: my fault :)
2008-04-10T13:28:55  <gizmach> dennda: do you still have lectures on may 26th
2008-04-10T13:29:06  <dreimark> johill: seems the link to the latex parser is broken and I can't find it
2008-04-10T13:29:09  <dennda> gizmach: my lectures have just begun
2008-04-10T13:29:28  <gizmach> dennda: and until which date you have them
2008-04-10T13:29:40  <dennda> gizmach: some date in july i guess
2008-04-10T13:29:45  <dreimark> johill: found it (google)
2008-04-10T14:10:02  <fgs> dreimark: diffs so when i don't use email that it does not require to enter my email, especially since i have the email field removed from user_form
2008-04-10T14:12:25  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: not requiring users to enter some valid email might backfire later if you choose to enable email
2008-04-10T14:14:31  <fgs> true, but i guess i can cope with that case if i decide not to enable it in first place
2008-04-10T14:14:38  <fgs> and especially since i'm removing it from the form
2008-04-10T14:16:04  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: removing it from the form is another thing. of course that should be possible and it shouldn't fall over that.
2008-04-10T14:16:22  <ThomasWaldmann> but do not make it depend on just the mail_enabled
2008-04-10T14:18:04  <fgs> ok, a new config option then?
2008-04-10T14:26:42  <fgs> i think there are already lots of knobs to add more
2008-04-10T14:26:51  <fgs> but i see your point.. so *shrug*
2008-04-10T14:27:35  <fgs> perhaps, if email is disabled, to automagically set a internal config option
2008-04-10T14:27:44  <fgs> so it does not check for emails?
2008-04-10T14:28:01  <fgs> but then, if email is enabled, and the email field is removed, it makes sense that it asks you
2008-04-10T14:31:23  <ThomasWaldmann> if it breaks when you remove the email field from userprefs, then the fix is to not make it break if that is the case
2008-04-10T14:31:27  <ThomasWaldmann> no more, no less
2008-04-10T14:32:02  <ThomasWaldmann> (and there are some user..._remove and user..._disable options for doing that)
2008-04-10T14:32:05  <fgs> even if mail is enabled?
2008-04-10T14:32:49  <ThomasWaldmann> you want to remove the field and enable email?
2008-04-10T14:33:06  <fgs> no, i'm talking of different cases
2008-04-10T14:33:12  <fgs> i dont want email at all
2008-04-10T14:33:22  <dreimark> ser_form_remove = ['email'] doesn't work?
2008-04-10T14:33:29  <dreimark> user_form_remove
2008-04-10T14:33:37  <fgs> it does remove it
2008-04-10T14:33:51  <fgs> but doesn't allow you to save the prefs if you dont have an email
2008-04-10T14:34:24  <dreimark> then only that part needs to be checked
2008-04-10T14:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then remove the check for non-empty mail if 'email' in user_form_remove
2008-04-10T14:34:46  <waldi> zenhase: it does not support the xml definition without namespaces
2008-04-10T14:35:46  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: btw, if you are digging in xml stuff anyway: we need python-xml for some stuff and that is more or less unsupported for more recent python versions
2008-04-10T14:36:20  <ThomasWaldmann> last time someone tried it didn't work with the stdlib xml stuff of python
2008-04-10T14:36:50  <fgs> so: perhaps, if email is disabled, to automagically set a internal option to not barf if not email is found
2008-04-10T14:37:43  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: I repeat: do not check email_enabled for this
2008-04-10T14:38:04  <fgs> i mean `email' in the user_form_remove
2008-04-10T14:38:07  <fgs> not email_enabled
2008-04-10T14:38:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ok (also do not check the user_form_disabled, of course)
2008-04-10T14:39:28  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: and if you make a patch, just file a featurerequest or bug report and attach the diff -urN oldtree newtree
2008-04-10T14:39:49  <fgs> ok
2008-04-10T14:40:35  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: and if you hack that stuff, I think there is also some related bug report
2008-04-10T14:40:51  <fgs> hg diff should be enough (already -ur) if you dont add/remove any files, tho
2008-04-10T14:41:10  <fgs> i need to look at the nonexist_qm thing as well
2008-04-10T14:41:15  <ThomasWaldmann> if you use hg, use hg export
2008-04-10T14:41:21  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UserSettingsHandlerFailsOnUserFormDisabledFields
2008-04-10T14:42:26  <ThomasWaldmann> fgs: the nonexist_qm stuff is likely because the default for the userprefs is not derived from the default value for anon users
2008-04-10T14:43:18  * ThomasWaldmann never used nonexist_qm, looks ugly somehow (and the code is also ugly :)
2008-04-10T14:43:44  <fgs> well, i get used to it and i think it's more intuitive for new users as well
2008-04-10T14:45:45  <ThomasWaldmann> (could be also done by CSS for sane browsers :)
2008-04-10T14:47:05  <fgs> yeah, true
2008-04-10T14:47:19  <fgs> but then again, it's already there :)
2008-04-10T14:54:51  <zenhase> back from lunch
2008-04-10T15:13:55  <kikka> hello
2008-04-10T15:14:48  * xorAxAx started ranking
2008-04-10T15:16:09  <gizmach> kikka: :) ji
2008-04-10T15:16:11  <gizmach> hi
2008-04-10T15:17:00  <kikka> huhu gizmach!
2008-04-10T15:17:51  <zenhase> xorAxAx: us or your university students? ;)
2008-04-10T15:18:44  <xorAxAx> you :)
2008-04-10T15:22:30  <gizmach> hehehe
2008-04-10T16:12:15  <xorAxAx> johill: question for you from me on http://code.google.com/soc/2008/moin/app.html?csaid=KBITFgcfQyAGOR0FMwxcUigJdhALHlEDUXBWbERRQlEcAiAGbxEGRVM%3D%0A
2008-04-10T16:27:35  <xorAxAx> internal note for mentors: my current plan is to leave people with 0 points as long as essential questions havent been clarified
2008-04-10T16:30:02  * zenhase is actually waiting for questions thrown at him
2008-04-10T16:33:13  <xorAxAx> zenhase: i am working my way up from the bottom to the top :-)
2008-04-10T16:39:09  <xorAxAx> wee, my sixth -1
2008-04-10T16:39:41  <johill> xorAxAx: answered
2008-04-10T16:41:30  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-04-10T16:41:48  <xorAxAx> i dont perceive it as a blocker but i am curious what his answer to my questions will be
2008-04-10T16:43:21  <xorAxAx> wee, another -2
2008-04-10T16:45:08  <xorAxAx> another -2
2008-04-10T16:45:42  <zenhase> xorAxAx seems to enjoy givinig negative ratings ;)
2008-04-10T16:46:08  <xorAxAx> zenhase: you would as well after reading these applcations :)
2008-04-10T16:46:25  <xorAxAx> the last ones were like "i want to integrate $java_lib into moinmoin and enterprise ldap
2008-04-10T16:46:41  <xorAxAx> or "i love these actionscript libraries and want to build some charting flash applet"
2008-04-10T16:47:13  <xorAxAx> of course a bit longer but not much more detailed when it comes to moin itself
2008-04-10T16:47:26  <xorAxAx> the former student didnt even realise that moin is a wiki written in python :)
2008-04-10T16:48:01  <zenhase> figures from $java_*
2008-04-10T16:48:23  <zenhase> i mean, there is nothing wrong if projects are sometimes cross-language
2008-04-10T16:48:45  <xorAxAx> hmm, what do you mean by ""figures from $java_*"?
2008-04-10T16:48:47  <gizmach> zenhase: are you sarcastic?
2008-04-10T16:48:48  <zenhase> but it's hard to find devoted pythoneers who really like java as a language
2008-04-10T16:49:01  <xorAxAx> i like java :)
2008-04-10T16:49:21  <zenhase> xorAxAx: :)
2008-04-10T16:49:23  * gizmach doesn't like java (hope to not receive negative points from xorAxAx for that)
2008-04-10T16:49:34  <xorAxAx> gizmach: no, free speech!
2008-04-10T16:49:37  <xorAxAx> .oO(hah, -3!)
2008-04-10T16:49:37  <zenhase> why should he :)
2008-04-10T16:49:40  <gizmach> :D
2008-04-10T16:50:06  <gizmach> it was a joke, like the tz counting problem
2008-04-10T16:50:09  <xorAxAx> well, java has the issue that most apps in it are bad :-)
2008-04-10T16:51:37  <zenhase> gizmach: who said the tz counting problem was a joke? :)
2008-04-10T16:52:09  <zenhase> xorAxAx: well, that's an issue you have with most languages :)
2008-04-10T16:52:28  <zenhase> xorAxAx: the more exotic the language gets, the less bad apps in total :)
2008-04-10T16:52:45  <zenhase> but i would presume, the percentage stays quite the same ;)
2008-04-10T16:54:56  <johill> hm
2008-04-10T16:54:59  <johill> got mail about moin
2008-04-10T16:55:00  <johill> "Hallo Jürgen,"
2008-04-10T16:55:02  <johill> [...]
2008-04-10T16:55:11  <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-10T16:55:30  <zenhase> well, johill ... jh ... juergen hermann ...
2008-04-10T16:56:51  * ThomasWaldmann gives up to 4 points if candidate is great, project is important etc.
2008-04-10T16:57:19  * johill just wants storage :P
2008-04-10T16:57:47  * ThomasWaldmann (until now) gave up to -2 points if code sucks, project is much too vague, other problems
2008-04-10T16:58:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and it would be great if more mentors did scoring
2008-04-10T16:58:43  <xorAxAx> zenhase: not sure
2008-04-10T16:58:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i have no idea how the google guys and gals allocate slots, but I could imagine if we do not give enough points, that might lower the slot count
2008-04-10T16:59:32  <zenhase> :o
2008-04-10T17:01:05  * dreimark thought to add 4 points at the second time passing (hopes some of the students do respond)
2008-04-10T17:01:21  <ThomasWaldmann> btw,if someone knows javascript and java well enough, please have a look at thosee student's sample code (if student has to code in J/JS for us)
2008-04-10T17:02:43  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: which apps do you mean?
2008-04-10T17:06:09  * xorAxAx ranked one of zenhase's apps -1 :-)
2008-04-10T17:06:29  <ThomasWaldmann> nine apps? ugh.
2008-04-10T17:06:29  <xorAxAx> because the other one is way higher
2008-04-10T17:06:53  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: that should be no reason
2008-04-10T17:07:08  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: sure it is
2008-04-10T17:07:16  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. since we are not finished yet
2008-04-10T17:07:26  <ThomasWaldmann> no. definitely NOT.
2008-04-10T17:07:36  <xorAxAx> well, if somebody else is convinced that we want to switch, then he can compensate that -1 again
2008-04-10T17:08:26  <ThomasWaldmann> we are scoring based on the app being scored, not based on other apps
2008-04-10T17:09:18  <xorAxAx> i am scoring to get a result of a top n that everybody can agree to
2008-04-10T17:09:46  <xorAxAx> what do you mean by "nine applications"?
2008-04-10T17:10:07  <ThomasWaldmann> what you do is increasing contrast. one can do this at the end but not in the mid of the process.
2008-04-10T17:10:08  <xorAxAx> also, "high server load" is not a reason to score an application down. esp. if there is no apparent reason for high server load :-)
2008-04-10T17:10:26  <xorAxAx> yes, i had to do so exactly two times
2008-04-10T17:10:59  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and now you have to revert contrast increase exactly the same amount of times
2008-04-10T17:17:36  <gizmach> oh another google mail :D
2008-04-10T17:17:46  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: also, it is not our business how many applications a candidate files, even if he files 9.
2008-04-10T17:18:13  <ThomasWaldmann> BUT, if his responsiveness and application lacks, that is another thing.
2008-04-10T17:18:36  <ThomasWaldmann> but responsiveness should not be judged after 1.5days.
2008-04-10T17:18:49  <gizmach> xorAxAx: for my studies you mean about the project or my college stuff
2008-04-10T17:18:54  <xorAxAx> gizmach: college
2008-04-10T17:19:01  <gizmach> oh ok
2008-04-10T17:19:02  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: where did i wait only 1.5 days?
2008-04-10T17:19:22  <ThomasWaldmann> at least that is the time span after our questions
2008-04-10T17:19:47  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: sisterwiki
2008-04-10T17:20:12  <ThomasWaldmann> well, reimars comment is 2 days old
2008-04-10T17:21:26  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: not only me but also the ospo dislikes students who want to use the first free update to compensate for a late submission
2008-04-10T17:21:32  * waldi .o0( big brother or big sister? ... )
2008-04-10T17:21:50  <xorAxAx> the recommendation was even to mark them ineligible
2008-04-10T17:23:52  <ThomasWaldmann> i think we should look more at the student and at the facts in his application
2008-04-10T17:24:38  <ThomasWaldmann> and 2 days is not enough to kick someone out because of not responding.
2008-04-10T17:25:14  <ThomasWaldmann> of course, if that application stays like it is now, it is out of question that it will receive more negative scoring
2008-04-10T17:25:24  <johill> how long do way have for rating?
2008-04-10T17:26:16  <ThomasWaldmann> April 18:
2008-04-10T17:26:17  <ThomasWaldmann> 00:00 PDT / 07:00 UTC
2008-04-10T17:26:26  <johill> k. thanks
2008-04-10T17:26:55  <ThomasWaldmann> (not only for scoring, but also for assigning mentors)
2008-04-10T17:27:08  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you and me will get an email in case he will reply, so lets wait for that
2008-04-10T17:36:52  <gizmach> xorAxAx: I tried to answer if you need my schedule I could give you real dates
2008-04-10T17:37:13  <xorAxAx> gizmach: i will have a look at it soon
2008-04-10T17:43:16  <zenhase> ah, mail :D
2008-04-10T17:43:59  <gizmach> zenhase: :D
2008-04-10T17:46:46  <zenhase> xorAxAx: i will talk about your questions later, i have an appointment soon
2008-04-10T17:46:56  <xorAxAx> zenhase: thats fine
2008-04-10T17:47:05  <zenhase> xorAxAx: i already read the refactoring page on WSGI
2008-04-10T17:47:17  <zenhase> so i can comment on that too then
2008-04-10T17:48:00  <zenhase> and regarding the first question about doc pages: you mean if i thought about what has to be re-documented in the whole process?
2008-04-10T17:48:58  <xorAxAx> zenhase: i am not sure whether this is necessary
2008-04-10T17:49:08  <xorAxAx> zenhase: i just want to hear what your opinion is
2008-04-10T17:49:14  <xorAxAx> and whether you already have dieas
2008-04-10T17:49:15  <xorAxAx> ideas
2008-04-10T17:49:37  <zenhase> xorAxAx: yeah, ok
2008-04-10T17:50:13  <zenhase> ok, i will think about those issues and then come back with some insights when we talk :)
2008-04-10T17:50:16  <zenhase> later
2008-04-10T18:01:29  <johill> uh
2008-04-10T18:01:32  <johill> debian packages gone wrong
2008-04-10T18:01:34  <johill> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pyshared/UNKNOWN-0.0.0.egg-info', which is also in package python-codespeak-lib
2008-04-10T18:01:46  <johill> (when upgrading python-crack)
2008-04-10T18:01:58  <johill> well, it segfaults anyway, let's just kick it out
2008-04-10T18:02:00  <xorAxAx> wow, that sounds broken, yes
2008-04-10T19:30:07  * gizmach is off 
2008-04-10T20:06:05  <dennda> by the way
2008-04-10T20:06:46  <dennda> I just wondered how the ranking process works. Every mentor says "I'd like to mentor him/her" and who get's most mentors gets the job?
2008-04-10T20:07:54  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2008-04-10T20:08:24  <ThomasWaldmann> potential mentors (all of them) score all projects
2008-04-10T20:08:46  <ThomasWaldmann> a mentor can also say "i want to mentor this project"
2008-04-10T20:10:45  <ThomasWaldmann> and finally the n topmost projects (good score and mentor assigned) will get done
2008-04-10T20:10:50  <ThomasWaldmann> n given by google :)
2008-04-10T20:13:55  <dennda> to score == "this guy/girl is great, five stars for him/her"?
2008-04-10T20:22:55  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: most mentors base it on evidence they got out of the application, the code, communications with student etc.
2008-04-10T20:28:54  <xorAxAx> dennda: mentors can change a counter
2008-04-10T20:29:11  <xorAxAx> dennda: and the sum of all points (even negative ones) is the score of the application
2008-04-10T20:30:58  <dennda> ok, thanks for clarifying
2008-04-10T21:02:17  <ThomasWaldmann> http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=EURUSD=X
2008-04-10T21:09:19  <xorAxAx> hmm, while the last budget for flying to SFO was 1200 USD at most, it looks like the cheapest flights will be 1800 USD this time
2008-04-10T21:09:39  <xorAxAx> because they are at about 1100 EUR and the USD might even rise
2008-04-10T21:09:53  <xorAxAx> really weird to have a factor of two in between
2008-04-10T21:10:58  <cb22> xorAxAx, hmm?
2008-04-10T21:16:36  <xorAxAx> cb22: ping (This message has been postponed.)
2008-04-10T21:17:17  <cb22> xorAxAx: Request timed out
2008-04-10T21:17:39  <xorAxAx> :-)
2008-04-10T21:18:07  <xorAxAx> cb22: well, how expensive is a hypothetical flight from south africa to SFO and back?
2008-04-10T21:18:11  <xorAxAx> in USD
2008-04-10T21:18:13  <xorAxAx> in july
2008-04-10T21:18:33  <xorAxAx> or even italy, i dont care :)
2008-04-10T21:18:39  <xorAxAx> italy is easier to compare
2008-04-10T21:18:43  <xorAxAx> try expedia
2008-04-10T21:19:01  <cb22> yeah, i've looked at flights, but i lost all of them
2008-04-10T21:19:12  <cb22> << big laptop broke, but recently got an eee
2008-04-10T21:19:44  <cb22> but, what was really expensive is sf -> cape town
2008-04-10T21:19:47  <cb22> $2800
2008-04-10T21:20:21  <xorAxAx> thats cape town? wow
2008-04-10T21:20:26  <xorAxAx> let me check italy for you
2008-04-10T21:20:54  <cb22> wait a sec, it's loading now
2008-04-10T21:21:26  <xorAxAx> its even more expensive
2008-04-10T21:21:27  <xorAxAx> 1300 EUR
2008-04-10T21:21:33  <xorAxAx> and more
2008-04-10T21:21:45  <cb22> i found a cheap one - via dublin
2008-04-10T21:21:59  <cb22> my brothers flight cpt -> sfo return wasnt bad
2008-04-10T21:22:05  <xorAxAx> i was just entering  a not too large italian town
2008-04-10T21:22:14  <cb22> and my flight cape town -> italy is really cheap
2008-04-10T21:22:15  <cb22> $400
2008-04-10T21:22:28  <cb22> $1000 for italy -> sfo
2008-04-10T21:22:34  <cb22> thats venice, nearby where im staying
2008-04-10T21:23:19  <xorAxAx> that sounds cheaper
2008-04-10T21:23:49  <xorAxAx> seems like prices go weird in peak season
2008-04-10T21:23:56  <cb22> thats venice, nearby where im staying -> cpt, it is actually cheaper to fly sfo -> jfk -> cpt
2008-04-10T21:24:08  <cb22> sorry, muddled that sentance
2008-04-10T21:24:16  <cb22> it is actually cheaper to fly sfo -> jfk -> cpt
2008-04-10T21:24:38  <xorAxAx> woah, avoid jfk
2008-04-10T21:24:47  <cb22> with sfo -> jfk being $300 or so, and jfk -> cpt being $2000 vs $2800 direct
2008-04-10T21:24:58  <xorAxAx> ah
2008-04-10T21:24:59  <cb22> well, i wanna stop off and see my uncle for 2 days :)
2008-04-10T21:25:04  <xorAxAx> ok :)
2008-04-10T21:25:08  <cb22> and its cheaper too
2008-04-10T22:16:02  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: please follow up on http://code.google.com/soc/2008/moin/app.html?csaid=NBUWHA9DWiYQPQAkFAZQWi1LOxwJSVsFBXdWOxdXSUYHC3UEOUBQFg%3D%3D%0A
2008-04-10T22:18:16  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: f5
2008-04-10T22:19:44  <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: i meant ideas to extend the proposal
2008-04-10T22:19:50  <xorAxAx> currently it is not large enough IMHO
2008-04-10T22:19:54  <xorAxAx> featurewise
2008-04-10T22:20:44  <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: yes. but it's unlikely that the application will be implemented anyways
2008-04-10T22:20:50  <mitsuhiko> he could in theory implement atom publishing
2008-04-10T22:21:06  <mitsuhiko> which would make it a useful and complex application
2008-04-10T22:21:47  <mitsuhiko> but for that he either needs to read and understand the spec or know it already
2008-04-10T22:22:16  <mitsuhiko> and for that his experience on that field seems too weak
2008-04-10T22:46:24  <ThomasWaldmann> if someone has time: we need more acl tests, esp. for hierarchical acls
2008-04-10T22:46:46  * ThomasWaldmann debugs / fixed the code currently
2008-04-10T23:08:05  <xorAxAx> waldi: ping
2008-04-10T23:18:11  <xorAxAx> i guess we should ask for something like "please solve a small bug report and attach the patch to the application if you want to have an advantage"
2008-04-10T23:18:16  <xorAxAx> in the next soc
2008-04-10T23:22:42  <xorAxAx> there seem to be a few orgs with good experiences in doing so
2008-04-10T23:23:34  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe, only 4 projects, but 30 bugs fixed :P
2008-04-10T23:24:04  <xorAxAx> thats why it wouldnt be mandantory in our case
2008-04-10T23:24:26  <xorAxAx> there are projects which say "you have to do that" and they still get a lot apps and even apps without such a patch :)
2008-04-10T23:24:35  <xorAxAx> wesnoth for example :)
2008-04-10T23:25:22  <xorAxAx> it would even be fairer to those who have the reason of copyright issues or coding style when not supplying any code
2008-04-10T23:26:22  <ThomasWaldmann> it could just be hard to find an easy to fix bug :)
2008-04-10T23:26:37  <xorAxAx> using the current bugtracking scheme? indeed
2008-04-10T23:27:15  <ThomasWaldmann> no, because usually the easy bugs get fixed first
2008-04-10T23:27:34  <xorAxAx> or overlooked
2008-04-10T23:27:45  <xorAxAx> well, one can also pose some artificial task
2008-04-10T23:27:47  <ThomasWaldmann> so what's left is either harder to fix or not really a bug or a design problem
2008-04-10T23:28:08  <xorAxAx> like, implement a decision maker macro for moin
2008-04-10T23:28:55  <ThomasWaldmann> we could do a winter of code :P
2008-04-10T23:30:01  <xorAxAx> as a qualification round for the summer?
2008-04-10T23:30:39  <ThomasWaldmann> just joking
2008-04-10T23:31:17  <ThomasWaldmann> or we could give coders who already contributed code a bonus point :)
2008-04-10T23:32:19  <ThomasWaldmann> or rather announce that we do (assuming the code was ok somehow)
2008-04-10T23:49:18  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: testHitsForFilter fails now and then