2008-04-14T01:24:22 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3504:7ee94ad36708 1.7/MoinMoin/ (12 files in 4 dirs): tests: test page creation/deletion now done by helpers in MoinMoin._tests
2008-04-14T01:37:20 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: please have a look at my last changesets
2008-04-14T01:39:54 <xorAxAx> moins slot alloc was upgraded t o5
2008-04-14T01:39:57 <xorAxAx> to 5
2008-04-14T01:43:10 <zenhase> \o/
2008-04-14T01:43:42 <zenhase> gn8 everyone
2008-04-14T01:46:28 <ThomasWaldmann> christmas: 5?
2008-04-14T01:46:40 <gizmach> zenhase: night
2008-04-14T04:33:42 <abrese1> Hello moin-dev
2008-04-14T08:45:30 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-14T08:50:54 <gizmach> TheSheep: moin
2008-04-14T08:50:59 <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: moin
2008-04-14T08:51:08 * gizmach is still sleepy
2008-04-14T09:35:28 <dreimark> moin
2008-04-14T09:35:52 <gizmach> moin again
2008-04-14T09:36:16 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I guess abrese* is Adam
2008-04-14T09:37:59 <ThomasWaldmann> i know that he is :)
2008-04-14T09:38:43 <ThomasWaldmann> but he needs a world clock :)
2008-04-14T09:39:23 <xorAxAx> well, its not obvious when to expect people in this channel without reading the logs
2008-04-14T09:50:59 <gizmach> xorAxAx: I saw you comment on my project proposal, but I don't know why I didn't get the soc notification mail, strange
2008-04-14T09:51:10 <xorAxAx> gizmach: because of a bug
2008-04-14T09:57:38 <gizmach> xorAxAx: ah... I see, but really good idea, It would be a new way of thinking and doing software development for me.
2008-04-14T10:00:12 <gizmach> xorAxAx: I just done with seminary functional/acceptance testing and this will be opposite way of thinking about the software development and code
2008-04-14T10:02:17 <fgs> moin
2008-04-14T10:03:55 <gizmach> fgs: moin
2008-04-14T10:10:11 <xorAxAx> gizmach: yes, its a bit different than the classical idea of a perfect world. mostly because the classic idea doesnt really work out in the practice ...
2008-04-14T10:10:31 <xorAxAx> gizmach: another aspect is that in the industry, you will have a customer who needs to do his acceptance testing as well
2008-04-14T10:10:53 <xorAxAx> so combining this still makes sense
2008-04-14T10:12:20 * xorAxAx -> university until 19:30 :)
2008-04-14T11:13:32 <dennda> Cool, google just informed me that you once dropped a comment on my application, xorAxAx ;)
2008-04-14T12:40:46 <zenhase> moin
2008-04-14T12:57:04 <grzybacz> moin
2008-04-14T13:05:04 <ThomasWaldmann> hi grzybacz
2008-04-14T13:29:49 <xorAxAx> dennda: hehe, yeah
2008-04-14T14:16:21 <grzybacz> hej ThomasWaldmann
2008-04-14T14:16:23 <grzybacz> hi xorAxAx ;)
2008-04-14T14:17:04 <xorAxAx> hi karol
2008-04-14T14:21:21 <grzybacz> How's life?
2008-04-14T14:23:20 * zenhase needs to adjust his timezone again
2008-04-14T14:23:48 <zenhase> waking at 12:30 isn't really what i intended when i went to bed
2008-04-14T14:26:57 <xorAxAx> grzybacz: busy :)
2008-04-14T14:30:43 <grzybacz> xorAxAx: positively busy? :)
2008-04-14T14:38:42 <xorAxAx> grzybacz: fixing a makefile and listening to a lecture
2008-04-14T14:43:10 <zenhase> yeah, a new semester ... new lectures, new frustrations
2008-04-14T14:52:52 <grzybacz> xorAxAx: doesn't sound bad :)
2008-04-14T15:49:28 <kikka> Moin
2008-04-14T17:04:22 <gizmach> moin
2008-04-14T17:04:38 * gizmach back from colege
2008-04-14T17:13:17 <zenhase> welcome back gizmach
2008-04-14T17:31:52 <gizmach> zenhase: hello
2008-04-14T18:43:34 <ThomasWaldmann> I'll remove the logfile stuff from the fallback logging configuration, those moin.log everywhere are annoying (so it just logs to stderr).
2008-04-14T18:44:42 <dreimark> :)
2008-04-14T18:47:49 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3505:cd43bbf56c33 1.7/ (11 files in 5 dirs): logging: removed logging to ./moin.log from fallback config, better docs
2008-04-14T19:20:47 * gizmach is preparing for anual croatian linux conference one and a half day only
2008-04-14T19:20:52 <gizmach> annual*
2008-04-14T19:35:26 <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: be careful with that word :P
2008-04-14T19:37:33 <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: once I almostly said lexical anal_ysis and not analysis course in croatian which sounds worse than in english
2008-04-14T19:38:18 <dreimark> he
2008-04-14T19:38:20 <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: will the candidates for gsoc will be able to see how moin mentors scored us ?
2008-04-14T19:38:35 <zenhase> don't think so
2008-04-14T19:39:08 <zenhase> you weren't able to see it last year
2008-04-14T19:39:19 <zenhase> and i think you actually don't want to know :)
2008-04-14T19:39:30 <gizmach> zenhase: maybe, and maybe not
2008-04-14T19:39:50 <zenhase> if you are selected, you already know that you were among the better applications
2008-04-14T19:39:54 <gizmach> zenhase: a feedback is always great
2008-04-14T19:40:15 <gizmach> zenhase: you always learn somethng from that
2008-04-14T19:40:38 <zenhase> numbers aren't good feedback
2008-04-14T19:41:01 <gizmach> but ofc you/I will not probably feel good with negative number :)
2008-04-14T19:41:10 <gizmach> zenhase: that's true
2008-04-14T19:41:11 <zenhase> and you always learn about what's missing/not cool in your application from talking here with the mentors ;)
2008-04-14T19:41:49 <gizmach> ur right, but you don't know how were the others applications
2008-04-14T19:42:18 <gizmach> yes I could read logs and see what you discused with mentors
2008-04-14T19:46:02 <zenhase> :)
2008-04-14T21:10:50 * ThomasWaldmann writes mail to LH for +1
2008-04-14T21:16:59 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: alife? :)
2008-04-14T22:02:30 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://master17.moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/HelpOnCategories?action=diff&rev1=1&rev2=2 why is it in CatCat?
2008-04-14T22:09:31 <dreimark> The Adobe Flash Player was updated to version 9.0.124.0 to fix several security problems.
2008-04-14T22:09:46 <dreimark> In the worst case an attacker could potentially have flash-player execute arbitrary code via specially crafted files, for instance embedded in web pages.
2008-04-14T22:10:09 <dreimark> that won't be the last fixes
2008-04-14T22:10:18 <ThomasWaldmann> s/owned/flashed/
2008-04-14T22:13:04 <dreimark> got a mail why I have changed <embed> to <object>. That's the problem standards don't work for users
2008-04-14T22:20:42 <ThomasWaldmann> - r'(----(-*)(\r)?\n)(.*)\b%s\b' % pattern, **kwargs)
2008-04-14T22:20:42 <ThomasWaldmann> + r'(-----*\r?\n)(##.*\r?\n)*(.*)\b%s\b' % pattern, **kwargs)
2008-04-14T22:21:01 <ThomasWaldmann> (from the category: search - any comments?)
2008-04-14T22:21:54 <ThomasWaldmann> (see the BugTemplate on moinmo.in)
2008-04-14T22:27:32 <dreimark> object testcases http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/
2008-04-14T22:39:39 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, no, that regex also finds Categories in the comment lines
2008-04-14T22:54:48 <gizmach> good night all
2008-04-14T22:54:58 <dreimark> night Melita
2008-04-14T22:56:29 <gizmach> night Reimar
2008-04-14T23:00:50 <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3506:6b6851d0a3c8 1.7/MoinMoin/search/queryparser.py: search: match categories even if there are comment lines
2008-04-14T23:01:27 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you try to fool that code?
2008-04-14T23:01:32 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: done :)
2008-04-14T23:01:46 <ThomasWaldmann> \o/
2008-04-14T23:03:10 <ThomasWaldmann> now it got a bit more complicated :D
2008-04-14T23:03:48 <TheSheep> sorry
2008-04-14T23:03:52 <dreimark> one person two taks
2008-04-14T23:04:11 <zenhase> argl ... the nigeria spam connection starts inviting via google calendar & mail
2008-04-14T23:05:04 <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: tell them you need a photo of them with a fish on their head for religous reasons :D
2008-04-14T23:05:23 <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: 411scam.com or what was the name of the site?
2008-04-14T23:06:08 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: you really want to mentor a project you gave -1 points? :)
2008-04-14T23:06:31 <zenhase> ah, there is www.419eater.com .. this sounds about right
2008-04-14T23:06:51 <zenhase> deadline for rating is wednesday, right?
2008-04-14T23:06:52 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: well, the -1 was for the application/studnet, not the topic
2008-04-14T23:07:04 <TheSheep> student
2008-04-14T23:07:32 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: if, for some reason we get that many slots that he qualifies, then yes, I'm willing to mentor
2008-04-14T23:08:35 <ThomasWaldmann> you have to score student and topic
2008-04-14T23:08:55 <ThomasWaldmann> because it doesnt help if it is a great topic and a bad student :D
2008-04-14T23:09:05 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: so I did
2008-04-14T23:09:13 <zenhase> or the other way round :)
2008-04-14T23:09:28 <TheSheep> zenhase: actually the other way around could be beneficial
2008-04-14T23:09:43 <zenhase> TheSheep: yeah
2008-04-14T23:09:49 <TheSheep> zenhase: you get a good student to be familiar with moin and get a chance of him staying in the project
2008-04-14T23:09:59 <zenhase> TheSheep: yes, that's a definite plus
2008-04-14T23:10:25 <zenhase> also the bad topic could be perhaps stretched a bit, so it's more interesting and challenging again
2008-04-14T23:10:33 <dreimark> well we have had already the situation a student was telling and telling and gets money for nothing
2008-04-14T23:11:04 <dreimark> and the mentor has had much frustrating work for nothing
2008-04-14T23:11:58 * ThomasWaldmann would suggest only requesting mentorship if you personally find at least +2 somehow
2008-04-14T23:12:33 <ThomasWaldmann> of course the scoring will do it in the end, but it is a bit confusing to see so many requests
2008-04-14T23:12:42 <zenhase> hey dreimark
2008-04-14T23:13:11 <zenhase> i still have this item on my todo-list which i am not sure about
2008-04-14T23:13:23 <zenhase> it's about my send_page proposal :)
2008-04-14T23:13:43 <zenhase> i already talked a bit about WSGI and stuff with xorAxAx, mitsuhiko and the others
2008-04-14T23:13:50 <dreimark> zenhase: currently I do think refactoring of other parts have to be done first
2008-04-14T23:13:54 <zenhase> but i hadn't have any questions on send_page till now
2008-04-14T23:14:52 <zenhase> ok
2008-04-14T23:15:13 <dreimark> I think that is because we know all how difficult it is
2008-04-14T23:15:18 <zenhase> yes
2008-04-14T23:15:44 <zenhase> if request, storage and parser/formatter are all refactored, send_page becomes a lot easier as a task
2008-04-14T23:15:55 <zenhase> that's what i think about it
2008-04-14T23:16:55 <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-14T23:18:40 <zenhase> it's just that i am not able to make assumptions on when all those parts are thoroughly refactored
2008-04-14T23:19:06 <zenhase> and that i thought it could also help the other way round
2008-04-14T23:20:04 * ThomasWaldmann hopes LH won't be too shocked when looking at the app list now :D
2008-04-14T23:20:16 <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: why is that? :)
2008-04-14T23:20:33 <zenhase> because it's growing? :)
2008-04-14T23:20:49 <ThomasWaldmann> we currently have scores of -3 up to +12
2008-04-14T23:21:08 * dreimark hopes she is not thinking we are doing bad jokes with her requesting for +1
2008-04-14T23:21:14 <zenhase> which doesn't give me the slightest idea :)
2008-04-14T23:21:27 <ThomasWaldmann> and we have "ownership requested" for a -2 and a 0 scored project
2008-04-14T23:21:29 <zenhase> dunno what the span of points is
2008-04-14T23:21:44 <zenhase> oh ok
2008-04-14T23:22:07 <zenhase> this sounds kind of strange :)
2008-04-14T23:22:20 <ThomasWaldmann> ownership requested means someone offers to mentor this
2008-04-14T23:23:13 <zenhase> and everyone rated already?
2008-04-14T23:23:43 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: ok, I'll cancel them
2008-04-14T23:23:53 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we are not completely finished, but mostly :)
2008-04-14T23:24:07 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: thanks :)
2008-04-14T23:24:38 <zenhase> TheSheep: i had some thoughts on the whole wsgi middleware thingy
2008-04-14T23:25:08 <zenhase> TheSheep: i think i will have to think a bit different about them in the future
2008-04-14T23:25:09 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: also keep in mind that if google goes crazy and gives us 11 slots, we maybe have a bit more than we want
2008-04-14T23:26:03 <TheSheep> :P
2008-04-14T23:26:25 <ThomasWaldmann> (are there cloned sheep? :))
2008-04-14T23:26:36 <TheSheep> I'm not sure how much work it is, but I assume I can handle 2 projects, 3 would be a lot
2008-04-14T23:26:51 * zenhase dollys TheSheep
2008-04-14T23:27:01 * TheSheep bites zenhase's head off
2008-04-14T23:27:16 <zenhase> i am not a chocolate easter bunny :(
2008-04-14T23:27:24 <dreimark> only after he is done
2008-04-14T23:27:30 * TheSheep installs wsgi middleware on zenhase's neck and puts the head back
2008-04-14T23:27:41 <grzywacz> zenhase, no, you're dead now without your head. :P
2008-04-14T23:28:13 <zenhase> grzywacz: actually i lived 2 years without a real head
2008-04-14T23:28:32 <zenhase> i am quite fond that i rediscovered it
2008-04-14T23:28:49 <zenhase> so it would be a real shame to lose it right away again
2008-04-14T23:29:04 <dreimark> that webside converter will be bad failing for flash sides
2008-04-14T23:29:13 <TheSheep> don't lose your moxy, chumps
2008-04-14T23:30:48 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: not only for those
2008-04-14T23:31:42 <dreimark> I know first comment was pointing in that direction
2008-04-14T23:31:46 <TheSheep> dreimark: unless you build a flash player that'd OCR every frame... ;)
2008-04-14T23:32:06 <ThomasWaldmann> if one has really big plans on reverse engineering html to wiki markup, i would suggest to first fix the gui converter
2008-04-14T23:32:25 <zenhase> *shivers*
2008-04-14T23:33:39 <dreimark> TheSheep: the problem is the failing student. If it is quite clear the task is not doable in the given time it is not a good idea to do the task
2008-04-14T23:35:57 <ThomasWaldmann> any comments on the 1.7 category: regex fix? if noone objects I'll also put that into 1.6 soon.
2008-04-14T23:37:01 <dreimark> you are to fast and I am to tired
2008-04-14T23:42:56 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: broken
2008-04-14T23:43:17 <ThomasWaldmann> what exactly?
2008-04-14T23:44:26 <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/40484/
2008-04-14T23:45:23 <dreimark> <<FullSearchCached(CategoryTest)>> lists the page
2008-04-14T23:45:39 <dreimark> (cache was refreshed)
2008-04-14T23:45:56 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: not entirely sure why it is in there :)
2008-04-14T23:46:01 <xorAxAx> i guess i remove it
2008-04-14T23:46:25 <xorAxAx> ah, oyu did already
2008-04-14T23:52:49 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: use category:CategoryTest
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