MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-17

2008-04-17T00:00:15  <gizmach> new day
2008-04-17T00:02:03  <TheSheep> welcome to the world of tomorrow!
2008-04-17T00:04:55  <gizmach> TheSheep: :)))
2008-04-17T00:29:44  * zenhase is having fun with zfs
2008-04-17T00:29:53  <zenhase> why did i ignore this filesystem?
2008-04-17T00:43:36  <xorAxAx> zenhase: have you been to the c-base at daytime?
2008-04-17T00:47:32  <zenhase> xorAxAx: yes, on some occasion
2008-04-17T00:48:18  <xorAxAx> zenhase: do you know whether its too busy to host a coding sprint there?
2008-04-17T00:48:27  <xorAxAx> i guess its primarily a pub, right?
2008-04-17T00:48:51  <xorAxAx> somebody asked them by mail and they replied that the group could use the mainhall for coding %-)
2008-04-17T00:48:52  <zenhase> i think outside of their parties, the place isn't very busy
2008-04-17T00:49:15  <damjan> You guys are from Berlin?
2008-04-17T00:49:20  <zenhase> during daytime the mainhall should be quite quiet
2008-04-17T00:49:33  <zenhase> nope
2008-04-17T00:49:38  <zenhase> well, at least not me
2008-04-17T00:49:51  <xorAxAx> damjan: no, i guess in that case we would be there more often :)
2008-04-17T00:50:08  <xorAxAx> and wouldnt need to talk about it :-)
2008-04-17T00:50:45  <damjan> well there are a lot of Berliners that have never been to c-base for sure :)
2008-04-17T00:50:54  <zenhase> that's for sure
2008-04-17T00:51:11  <TheSheep> how could they
2008-04-17T00:51:17  <zenhase> but you are automagically introduced to the cbase via ccc
2008-04-17T00:52:01  <zenhase> damjan: you're from berlin?
2008-04-17T00:52:17  <damjan> nope, I was there for the CCC
2008-04-17T00:52:23  <zenhase> ah ok
2008-04-17T00:52:34  <damjan> and was at c-base 2-3 times
2008-04-17T00:54:22  <damjan> Im actually from Macedonia
2008-04-17T00:55:28  <zenhase> oh, quite some distance
2008-04-17T00:56:20  <damjan> yeah
2008-04-17T01:00:45  * gizmach thinks that macedonia is not so far from her
2008-04-17T01:00:46  <gizmach> :D
2008-04-17T01:02:25  <damjan> hey
2008-04-17T01:02:54  <zenhase> :)
2008-04-17T01:03:10  <zenhase> xorAxAx: a moin code sprint at c-base?
2008-04-17T01:03:18  <zenhase> xorAxAx: or was it about something else?
2008-04-17T01:03:25  <xorAxAx> a pypy sprint :)
2008-04-17T01:03:42  <TheSheep> ooh, the pypy guy at rupy was great
2008-04-17T01:04:02  <TheSheep> they improvised an additional talk because of the interest of the audience
2008-04-17T01:04:04  <xorAxAx> yeah, carl-friedrich
2008-04-17T01:04:11  <xorAxAx> they?
2008-04-17T01:04:24  <TheSheep> he had this "stand back, I'm going to try partial evaluation" t-shirt
2008-04-17T01:04:25  <zenhase> hmm, pypy ;)
2008-04-17T01:04:33  <xorAxAx> lol, yes
2008-04-17T01:04:33  <zenhase> TheSheep: hahaha
2008-04-17T01:05:19  <TheSheep> a shame I had my lightning talk at the time when the more technical talk took place
2008-04-17T01:05:28  <xorAxAx> "stand off", actually
2008-04-17T01:05:36  <TheSheep> possible
2008-04-17T01:09:04  * zenhase just tried googling for "stand back, i'm going to try partial evolution!"
2008-04-17T01:09:15  <zenhase> which kinda sounds funny
2008-04-17T01:09:41  <xorAxAx> well, you will only have 2 or 3 hits on a single site for the second part of the sentence
2008-04-17T01:10:42  <TheSheep> xkcd had 'stand back, I'm going to try regular expressions" once
2008-04-17T01:11:12  <gizmach> TheSheep: yes, that was one of the better
2008-04-17T01:11:34  <TheSheep> we are still planning on making those "I read your e-mail" t-shirts for all the admins here
2008-04-17T01:11:43  <gizmach> :)))
2008-04-17T01:12:08  <gizmach> I like the sudo t-shirt from xkcd
2008-04-17T01:12:59  <zenhase> i never liked the sudo joke
2008-04-17T01:13:25  <gizmach> zenhase: when I first saw it I was laughing for few minutes
2008-04-17T01:14:11  <TheSheep> I like the 'someone on the Internet is wrong' one
2008-04-17T01:16:13  <gizmach> I also like the romantic one
2008-04-17T01:16:18  <gizmach> with spinning around
2008-04-17T01:16:27  <xorAxAx> the sudo joke is implying a very unbalanced relationship :)
2008-04-17T01:16:34  <damjan> hmm.. the ./wiki/htdocs/index.html is prety much wrong
2008-04-17T01:16:45  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: not necessarily
2008-04-17T01:16:47  <damjan> but I guess it can't be automagically right
2008-04-17T01:16:50  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: why?
2008-04-17T01:17:27  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: it's natural for me to make sandwitches when the other person is working, and expect to get them when I'm busy with something, for example
2008-04-17T01:18:49  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yeah, but the crucial part is "sudo" here
2008-04-17T01:20:23  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: the point is you don't use sudo all the time, only when you need it
2008-04-17T01:23:36  <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-17T09:00:02  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-17T09:02:38  <dreimark> moin
2008-04-17T09:12:34  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: tried to reproduce, but worked ok for me
2008-04-17T09:12:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (that new bug)
2008-04-17T09:17:40  <ThomasWaldmann> all soc mentors please think about their final project preferences so we can meet today evening and get all mentors assigned
2008-04-17T09:40:05  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I guess that user tries only without reading anything
2008-04-17T10:02:54  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/UseGroupsOfAWiki
2008-04-17T10:03:36  <dreimark> will continue later on that idea
2008-04-17T10:03:44  <dreimark> bbl
2008-04-17T11:05:36  <zenhase> moin
2008-04-17T12:41:37  <xorAxAx> lets see when google will fill in wikis with bot generated content -- http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/04/crawling-through-html-forms.html
2008-04-17T16:37:04  <copton> dennda: xorAxAx pointed me at you as you develop the new storage system for moin 1.7.
2008-04-17T16:37:52  <copton> dennda: I am the guy who once did the VirtualPage patch http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinPatch/VirtualPages
2008-04-17T16:38:18  <copton> dennda: back then it was not included into the upstream version
2008-04-17T16:38:55  <copton> dennda: now I need virtual pages again and xorAxAx told me the new storage system would support something like this trivially
2008-04-17T16:39:42  <copton> dennda: so two questions: how stable is the API and is there any documentation for it available?
2008-04-17T16:40:35  <xorAxAx> note that dennda hasnt yet worked on it but will begin to do so. the initial author was actually lanius
2008-04-17T16:41:00  <copton> oh, ic... thx
2008-04-17T16:41:17  <xorAxAx> but dennda should be able to answer these questions nevertheless :)
2008-04-17T16:42:30  <copton> xorAxAx: can the html renderer be extracted so that appart from a running moin instance one can render text files with wiki markup?
2008-04-17T16:42:55  <copton> this would solve my problem temporarily..
2008-04-17T16:42:59  <xorAxAx> copton: yes, should be doable easily, see the dump script
2008-04-17T16:43:06  <copton> thx
2008-04-17T16:43:17  <xorAxAx> under MoinMoin.script...
2008-04-17T16:49:13  <ThomasWaldmann> copton: i also need virtual pages :)
2008-04-17T16:49:59  <ThomasWaldmann> (for server filesystem access via the wiki ui)
2008-04-17T16:50:06  <copton> ThomasWaldmann: we should have integrated them back then..
2008-04-17T16:50:38  <ThomasWaldmann> it was a hack :) i also did some hack for a customer but neither integrated that one because it was too dirty...
2008-04-17T16:50:47  <copton> ThomasWaldmann: :-)
2008-04-17T16:50:55  <ThomasWaldmann> but soon I think we can do it clean.
2008-04-17T16:51:14  <copton> ThomasWaldmann: it was a hack because I had no idea of the moin internals.
2008-04-17T16:51:42  <copton> ThomasWaldmann: are there other wikis with such a feature?
2008-04-17T16:51:45  <xorAxAx> well, the patch fit into the style of the surrounding code
2008-04-17T16:51:46  <ThomasWaldmann> without a storage api, it can only be a hack
2008-04-17T16:51:51  <copton> xorAxAx: ;-)
2008-04-17T16:52:01  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah :P
2008-04-17T16:53:57  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-17T16:54:47  <ThomasWaldmann> moin gizmach
2008-04-17T16:59:34  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: you mean "dennda will work on it IF he gets the project". but that will be published by google, April 21:
2008-04-17T16:59:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC
2008-04-17T17:00:03  <xorAxAx> yes
2008-04-17T17:00:19  <xorAxAx> but maybe he would like to work on it nevertheless :-)
2008-04-17T17:00:42  <ThomasWaldmann> sure :)
2008-04-17T17:02:53  <ThomasWaldmann> and I think it is allowed to say that we received 2 applications for storage stuff, so everyone can guess about probabilities even without knowing scoring
2008-04-17T17:03:28  <ThomasWaldmann> (and that getting refactored storage api into production is of high importance)
2008-04-17T18:03:33  <dreimark> bbl ~4-5h
2008-04-17T20:53:45  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: you get my msgs?
2008-04-17T20:59:10  <ThomasWaldmann> mitsuhiko: ""
2008-04-17T20:59:21  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ""
2008-04-17T21:18:30  <mitsuhiko> ThomasWaldmann: sorry. was eating
2008-04-17T21:22:10  <ThomasWaldmann> no problem :)
2008-04-17T21:38:13  <TheSheep> PawelPacana: hello
2008-04-17T21:39:51  <xorAxAx> we are proud to announce that our mentors have selected their students. so we look forward to finalization and conflict resolution tomorrow
2008-04-17T21:44:08  <PawelPacana> hello
2008-04-17T21:44:24  <xorAxAx> hi PawelPacana :)
2008-04-17T21:48:28  <ThomasWaldmann> the polish invasion :)
2008-04-17T21:57:19  <grzywacz> What, where?
2008-04-17T21:57:20  <grzywacz> :P
2008-04-17T22:01:59  <PawelPacana> not yet... (as my gprs packet is reaching its limit)
2008-04-17T22:02:27  <PawelPacana> but see you tomorrow
2008-04-17T22:02:41  <PawelPacana> bye!
2008-04-17T22:03:06  * TheSheep had a chat with him in priv
2008-04-17T22:03:22  <kikka> Good Night!
2008-04-17T22:03:35  <TheSheep> good night kikka
2008-04-17T22:03:52  * ThomasWaldmann looks at 1.7 todo
2008-04-17T22:05:04  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/ChangeOtherAccountsPassword can anybody reproduce this?
2008-04-17T22:18:01  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: what are the user visible changes of the recent XMPP work?
2008-04-17T22:18:17  <ThomasWaldmann> (GHOP and other recent stuff)
2008-04-17T22:18:51  <dreimark> bb
2008-04-17T22:19:19  <ThomasWaldmann> wb dreimark
2008-04-17T22:26:21  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinTodo/Release%201.7.0 see there "doc updates"
2008-04-17T22:44:36  <zenhase> back from climbing
2008-04-17T22:46:03  <ThomasWaldmann> don't break your fingers or something else important :D
2008-04-17T22:46:31  <zenhase> like the head? :)
2008-04-17T22:46:45  <zenhase> broken legs would be actually beneficial
2008-04-17T22:46:53  <zenhase> i would be forced to spent time in front of the computer
2008-04-17T22:47:03  <zenhase> s/spent/spend
2008-04-17T22:47:46  <zenhase> but then, i never broke any bone in my life (except perhaps the occasional lil' toe) and i want it to stay that way
2008-04-17T23:17:58  <dreimark> good night
2008-04-17T23:24:30  <zenhase> good night dreimark