MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-07-15

2008-07-15T00:11:58  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi:     if key.uri == namespaces.moin_page:
2008-07-15T00:11:58  <ThomasWaldmann> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'uri'
2008-07-15T00:35:05  <grzywacz> :)
2008-07-15T00:41:33  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: noted
2008-07-15T00:42:25  <zenhase> but i'll go to bed now, so i am up at 09:00 tomorrow
2008-07-15T00:42:26  <zenhase> cu tomorrow
2008-07-15T08:30:12  <dreimark> moin
2008-07-15T08:32:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-07-15T08:43:18  <gizmach> moin
2008-07-15T08:44:39  * gizmach has stomach flu 
2008-07-15T08:48:18  <ThomasWaldmann> wish you feel better soon
2008-07-15T08:51:16  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: it's better in the morning than the night I can do some work
2008-07-15T08:54:21  <dreimark> gizmach: wish you get well soon
2008-07-15T08:55:17  <dreimark> bbl
2008-07-15T09:02:20  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: a bout the configuration, than I need to have in configuration GroupManager([GroupManagerWikiBackend, ]) defined and after that to handle the GroupManagerWikiBackend, not before what I was doing?
2008-07-15T09:04:43  <ThomasWaldmann> sorry, but I don't understand what you mean exactly
2008-07-15T09:11:06  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: well in my example that was wrong I done backend_factroy = BackendFactory(GroupManageWikiBackend), and that was not good,
2008-07-15T09:12:10  <gizmach> but I was thinking to do a group_manager = GroupManager([GroupManagerWikiBackend, ]) and than later when it's needed to instnce GroupManagerWikiBackend object and here just to pass the class
2008-07-15T09:15:31  <ThomasWaldmann> that won't work
2008-07-15T09:16:28  <ThomasWaldmann> as you may want to give configuration parameters to GMWB (or any other GM?B)
2008-07-15T09:24:13  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: hm.. true
2008-07-15T09:28:31  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: yeah I know, do we want a single secret? I initially thought so too, but maybe this makes sense in case the jabber server is on a different host or something?
2008-07-15T09:35:13  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: i guess i do this secrets dir.
2008-07-15T09:35:43  <ThomasWaldmann> could have an 'all' fallback entry
2008-07-15T09:41:46  <johill> can't say I care much
2008-07-15T10:30:02  <zenhase> moin
2008-07-15T10:35:15  <waldi> moin
2008-07-15T10:37:41  <ThomasWaldmann> hi waldi
2008-07-15T11:36:37  <zenhase> hmm, writing tests for this unique id generation thingy is quite hard
2008-07-15T11:36:58  <zenhase> i have to admit, i actually have no idea, what it is really supposed to do
2008-07-15T11:37:22  <zenhase> i understand the generation of continous numbered identifiers on one level
2008-07-15T11:37:22  <gizmach> re
2008-07-15T11:37:22  <johill> zenhase: oh sorry, it's just supposed to give a unique ID when needed
2008-07-15T11:37:26  <gizmach> had problem with routing out of croatia :(
2008-07-15T11:37:40  <johill> zenhase: the problem comes up when you <<Include>> pages that need IDs
2008-07-15T11:37:40  <zenhase> but what the push/pop/begin/end stuff is for is quite unclear to me
2008-07-15T11:37:48  <johill> zenhase: for starting/ending an include
2008-07-15T11:38:43  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: http://xkcd.com/221/
2008-07-15T11:38:48  <zenhase> what is the exact problem that may arise there?
2008-07-15T11:39:00  <johill> well we try to use the heading names for IDs
2008-07-15T11:39:08  <johill> and when you include you can have multiple identical ones
2008-07-15T11:39:14  <johill> previously, it just hashed them
2008-07-15T11:39:21  <johill> and then we just ended up with duplicates
2008-07-15T11:39:28  <johill> or with the line-0number IDs
2008-07-15T11:39:44  <johill> anyway, I have to go, if you want to ask more I may be able to answer more questions in an hour or so
2008-07-15T11:39:55  * dennda gets back into w0rk
2008-07-15T11:40:01  <dennda> hi johill
2008-07-15T11:40:07  <dennda> hi rest of you :)
2008-07-15T11:40:08  <zenhase> dennda: leet! ;)
2008-07-15T11:42:07  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: http://web.archive.org/web/20011027002011/http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2001182781025.gif found that pic you mentioned :)
2008-07-15T11:48:09  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann:  hehehe for the xkcd
2008-07-15T11:48:31  * gizmach gets back into work too
2008-07-15T11:55:06  <CIA-53> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 4305:df2215d504f9 1.8-storage-cdenter/MoinMoin/user.py: storage: user.py: Further adjustments utilizing the new storage layer. Casting metadata-value-lists to tuple. (Old changeset. Committing for synchronization.)
2008-07-15T12:20:48  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: see 00:11
2008-07-15T12:21:05  <waldi> ?
2008-07-15T12:21:33  <waldi> ah
2008-07-15T12:21:35  <ThomasWaldmann> (00:11) < ThomasWal> waldi:     if key.uri == namespaces.moin_page:
2008-07-15T12:21:35  <ThomasWaldmann> (00:11) < ThomasWal> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'uri'
2008-07-15T12:24:34  <ThomasWaldmann> wow 1.5995usd/eur
2008-07-15T12:25:52  <waldi> ack
2008-07-15T12:26:46  <waldi> that happens if you use your money press ...
2008-07-15T12:29:59  <johill> hi dennda :)
2008-07-15T12:35:23  <CIA-53> Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> default * 3909:39b7dd8d0747 1.8-wsgi-fkrupicka/MoinMoin/ (action/userprefs.py userprefs/prefs.py): Fixed: userprefs forms and chooser page
2008-07-15T12:35:23  <CIA-53> Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> default * 3910:f37c12f53bf2 1.8-wsgi-fkrupicka/MoinMoin/i18n/__init__.py: Fixed: use werkzeugs accept_languages header property
2008-07-15T12:35:35  <zenhase> now for some lunch
2008-07-15T12:39:32  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: btw, that happens if you just start wikiserver and access some page
2008-07-15T12:41:09  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: weird, nothing should left namespace-less attributes in the tree. they would not survive the serializer
2008-07-15T12:42:24  <ThomasWaldmann> key == 'children'
2008-07-15T12:44:56  <waldi> hmm, does not happen for me. did you update emeraldtree?
2008-07-15T12:46:44  <waldi> children is the named argument of ElementTree.Element.__init__
2008-07-15T12:48:47  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, better after updating ET
2008-07-15T12:51:25  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: maybe create a img tag (not object) if url looks like a image
2008-07-15T12:52:42  <ThomasWaldmann> (adblock otherwise create some "block" label displayed left/top of the image)
2008-07-15T12:53:49  <waldi> shaha
2008-07-15T12:55:06  <ThomasWaldmann> attachment: links are not working yet
2008-07-15T12:55:45  <ThomasWaldmann> same for mailto
2008-07-15T12:56:36  <ThomasWaldmann> drawing also looks strange (nothing shown except that block label)
2008-07-15T12:56:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hr is missing
2008-07-15T12:59:23  <ThomasWaldmann> other than that, looks pretty good already
2008-07-15T13:05:55  <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 3988:78d3015dbcff 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/__init__.py: Don't break converter package import on exception from import
2008-07-15T13:05:55  <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 3989:51fe8e96f8cd 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/ (_wiki_macro.py html_out.py): Catch ValueError for failing int() calls
2008-07-15T13:07:56  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: btw, if you go to a nonexisting page, it gives a traceback (not sure if that is expected to work already or not)
2008-07-15T13:08:54  <waldi> "missing toplevel element"
2008-07-15T13:09:11  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, works now :)
2008-07-15T13:09:46  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that was the msg
2008-07-15T13:10:26  <waldi> the fallback macro handler is not foolproof if it gets broken things
2008-07-15T13:12:32  <waldi> but with some force it gets better
2008-07-15T13:14:35  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess I'll try to replace some easy parser by a converter later today (not the wiki parser :)
2008-07-15T13:15:13  <waldi> hihi
2008-07-15T13:23:50  <dreimark> http://chrisarndt.de/talks/rupy/2008/output/slides.html
2008-07-15T13:24:57  <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 3990:5f100d067695 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Push an block element around raw HTML to support plain text
2008-07-15T13:24:57  <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 3991:ff03840b0da2 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Mark end tag of "input" optional
2008-07-15T13:24:57  <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 3992:ad87886518cd 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/macro.py: Macro converter - Set page in macro.request.formatter also, some macros uses them instead of macro.formatter
2008-07-15T13:25:20  * dreimark reads the zen of python
2008-07-15T13:28:32  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, what's next, moin-wiki parser -> converter or new macro interface? i think the later will work out easier
2008-07-15T13:28:44  * gizmach is out of idea how to delay giving a request to GM?B 
2008-07-15T13:32:47  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: you mean macro not returning formatted content, but a tree?
2008-07-15T13:33:00  <waldi> yes
2008-07-15T13:33:12  <ThomasWaldmann> that should be first
2008-07-15T13:33:28  <ThomasWaldmann> because you need it for creole, wiki, ... anyway
2008-07-15T13:34:41  <waldi> the current hack works for several macros, RecentChanges and the not existing page does at least
2008-07-15T13:34:46  <ThomasWaldmann> shouldn't be too hard, as macro and parser are somewhat similar anyway (macro == parser without content)
2008-07-15T13:34:58  <waldi> yep
2008-07-15T13:35:15  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe they could even be dropped by unifying macros and parsers
2008-07-15T13:36:12  <ThomasWaldmann> there is some discussion page on the wiki about that, btw
2008-07-15T13:36:37  <waldi> i already read that
2008-07-15T13:37:09  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe parser == macro + content="raw content" argument?
2008-07-15T13:37:45  <ThomasWaldmann> or rather _content to avoid collisions
2008-07-15T13:38:22  <ThomasWaldmann> if we have to rewrite much stuff anyway, it would be a good opportunity to unify
2008-07-15T13:38:55  <ThomasWaldmann> and parser argument handling is underdevelopped still
2008-07-15T13:39:14  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: or dreimark do I need instance GM?B object in wikiconfig and no other way?
2008-07-15T13:39:53  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: you can't create a backend instance there because you have no request object
2008-07-15T13:40:31  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: then i need to do "macro"-annotations first, aka is it immutable as the current parser are
2008-07-15T13:40:33  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: I know that but what's botherin me is how to pass other configuration options if there are some
2008-07-15T13:40:34  <ThomasWaldmann> but you could create a factory for backend instances there, that knows everything about how to do that, except the request
2008-07-15T13:41:27  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: ok ok... now I think I know what to do, at least I hope so,... let me try and will send you pastebin
2008-07-15T13:41:33  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: the current implementation defines all macros as unstable
2008-07-15T13:42:40  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: i didnt understand that. what macro annotations?
2008-07-15T13:43:04  <ThomasWaldmann> dependencies?
2008-07-15T13:43:15  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: something like that
2008-07-15T13:43:57  <ThomasWaldmann> or just handle everything dynamic and do dependencies later
2008-07-15T13:50:36  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2008-07-15T14:32:39  <dreimark> re
2008-07-15T15:33:20  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: or ThomasWaldmann http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79496/  can't figure the other way
2008-07-15T15:44:42  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: i think that's pretty close now
2008-07-15T15:45:07  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: huh ok
2008-07-15T15:45:50  <ThomasWaldmann> but as we have wiki admins needing to be able to configure that, we maybe want to simplify it a bit
2008-07-15T15:46:15  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: yes and for me is now a bit complicated to write all that
2008-07-15T15:46:43  <ThomasWaldmann> thus, you could just have a GroupManagerWikiBackendFactory instanciated there
2008-07-15T15:47:41  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: ah you mean also for the LDAP will be GroupManagerLdapBackendFactory
2008-07-15T15:47:43  <ThomasWaldmann> and that factory could have some create_backend(request) method
2008-07-15T15:47:43  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-15T15:47:52  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-15T15:48:13  <mmihaljevic> just like I did in the backend/__init__.py but to call create_backend
2008-07-15T15:49:08  <ThomasWaldmann> i see nothing in backend/__init__
2008-07-15T15:49:23  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: ah pardon it was in pastebin, my fault
2008-07-15T15:49:41  <mmihaljevic> sec
2008-07-15T15:53:21  <mmihaljevic> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79499/ like this but I need to change names and some parameters
2008-07-15T15:53:31  <mmihaljevic> this is from the last pastebin I sent to you
2008-07-15T15:53:32  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann:
2008-07-15T15:53:59  <mmihaljevic> but I will not make the backend as parameter
2008-07-15T15:55:27  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: you also need to handle all other parameters needed to handle backend creation, not just request
2008-07-15T15:56:07  <ThomasWaldmann> and as I said, be careful with names or you will confuse yourself
2008-07-15T15:56:11  <mmihaljevic> but all other parematers should be passed from configuration?
2008-07-15T15:56:24  <mmihaljevic> yes I will change them
2008-07-15T15:57:22  <ThomasWaldmann> the configuration will create a factory that knows all params except request (and stuff related to request)
2008-07-15T15:57:50  <ThomasWaldmann> later, you give that factory a request object and it can then produce the backend instance
2008-07-15T15:58:11  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-15T16:04:04  <ThomasWaldmann> you have to think how that "give request object" will exactly work
2008-07-15T16:06:15  <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe you can just apply the same pattern again :)
2008-07-15T16:06:44  <mmihaljevic> huh
2008-07-15T16:16:33  <dreimark> mmihaljevic: right direction :)
2008-07-15T16:16:42  * dreimark has to leave will be back later
2008-07-15T16:18:56  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: :)
2008-07-15T16:26:48  <CIA-53> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 4306:e73378864f8b 1.8-storage-cdenter/MoinMoin/storage/_tests/test_backends_memory.py: storage: tests: Adding some tests
2008-07-15T16:27:21  * dennda tackles PageEditor.py
2008-07-15T18:19:11  <dennda> johill: What shall I do with PageEditor.py's _readLockFile, _writeLockFile and _deleteLockFile?
2008-07-15T18:21:19  <dennda> johill: Is that responsible for the "User XY is updating this Page until $somedate" info?
2008-07-15T18:34:10  <mmihaljevic> dreimark:, ThomasWaldmann : should I do like this ? (with first 3 wikibackend tests it works with this) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79509/  and http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79510/
2008-07-15T18:34:39  <mmihaljevic> (also I changed calling in the test with the backend)
2008-07-15T18:44:12  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: so, any mail by leslie?
2008-07-15T18:47:56  <dennda> expecting one?
2008-07-15T18:49:39  <xorAxAx> waldi: note that xhtml may not have additional namespaces ;-)
2008-07-15T18:50:58  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: it may not?
2008-07-15T18:51:53  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I thought it's possible to exend it with additional namespaces, that's the whole idea...
2008-07-15T18:52:10  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: nope, unfortunately not. go figure :)
2008-07-15T18:52:42  <xorAxAx> of course you can generate xml documents that resemble xhtml to a large extent, but they wont validate
2008-07-15T18:52:46  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I mean, you can have an xml file that uses more namespaces than xhtml
2008-07-15T18:52:51  <xorAxAx> (if you have your own namespaces)
2008-07-15T18:53:07  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yeah, the dtd doesnt allow that
2008-07-15T18:53:36  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: then how am I supposed to use xframes?
2008-07-15T18:54:03  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: or other extensions for xhtml
2008-07-15T18:54:33  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: it's not about dtd, xml in general allows that
2008-07-15T18:54:54  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: i think you may combine them because they are compatible to each other (refer to the specs to see how the xhtml disallows unsuitable namespaces)
2008-07-15T18:55:59  <xorAxAx> refer to http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#well-formed
2008-07-15T18:56:29  <xorAxAx> now its time to hug xhtml and the w3.org for superb work
2008-07-15T18:57:02  <TheSheep> god, it's gotten so ugly
2008-07-15T18:57:27  <TheSheep> I really miss the days when a plain text document was valid html :)
2008-07-15T18:57:40  <TheSheep> (as long as tit had no < > & in it)
2008-07-15T18:58:24  <xorAxAx> also note that these "mistkaes by design" are rather old
2008-07-15T18:58:30  <xorAxAx> mesaured in internet years
2008-07-15T18:58:42  <TheSheep> yeah, but they keep introducing new ones too
2008-07-15T18:58:58  <TheSheep> the whole process is backwards
2008-07-15T18:59:25  <TheSheep> I noticed it while working on Creole: we should be standarizing existing techniques, not inventing new ones
2008-07-15T19:00:15  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: None
2008-07-15T19:00:47  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yes, thats how the rfc system had been working
2008-07-15T19:02:53  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: well, I would add config params as separate parameters (and as needed)
2008-07-15T19:03:57  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: ok, you mean defined in wikiconfig as a separate parametar not as argument ?
2008-07-15T19:04:45  <ThomasWaldmann> as arguments, but one by one
2008-07-15T19:05:01  <ThomasWaldmann> not as a dict or tuple like you do it now
2008-07-15T19:05:47  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you do classes, please derive from object
2008-07-15T19:05:50  <mmihaljevic> ah ok
2008-07-15T19:06:02  <mmihaljevic> yes true my mistake I forgot totaly
2008-07-15T19:07:36  <ThomasWaldmann> for example, for the GMCBF, it would be groups=... param
2008-07-15T19:08:29  <ThomasWaldmann> and it is parametEr
2008-07-15T19:09:33  <waldi> xorAxAx: mathml and svg are sometimes understood
2008-07-15T19:11:29  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: ok I understand that but I'm confused you want me to define oparametars only for the backends that need them
2008-07-15T19:13:37  <waldi> xorAxAx: and it is a xml application, so unknown namespaces are to be ignored
2008-07-15T19:14:39  <xorAxAx> waldi: as long its not xhtml, thats fine :)
2008-07-15T19:17:55  <waldi> "The XHTML namespace may be used with other XML namespaces as per [XMLNS], although such documents are not strictly conforming XHTML 1.0 documents as defined above."
2008-07-15T19:18:23  <xorAxAx> yeah, the result is not xhtml  well formed :)
2008-07-15T19:18:53  <waldi> xhtml does not define "well formed", only "conforming"
2008-07-15T19:19:19  <xorAxAx> xml defines that
2008-07-15T19:25:59  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: what's so confusing about that?
2008-07-15T19:26:28  <mmihaljevic> well, is that what you want? ThomasWaldmann
2008-07-15T19:26:40  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2008-07-15T19:26:49  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: than no confusion
2008-07-15T19:27:20  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: than for the wikibackend won't be any params defined but for the config group parm will be?
2008-07-15T19:28:33  <ThomasWaldmann> well, you should see that in your code. maybe you don't need any params for the wiki backend (as it will fetch the stuff it needs from request.cfg.foo)
2008-07-15T19:28:55  <mmihaljevic> yes :)
2008-07-15T19:28:56  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-15T19:29:36  <ThomasWaldmann> you likely will need some params for ldap :)
2008-07-15T19:30:35  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: true
2008-07-15T19:31:08  <ThomasWaldmann>  /. : "World's First 2GB Graphics Card Is Here"
2008-07-15T19:32:59  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: than for every gm?b I have gm?bf (just checking)
2008-07-15T19:35:48  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2008-07-15T19:36:14  <mmihaljevic> perfect, thx :)
2008-07-15T20:08:22  <CIA-53> Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> default * 3911:f77469d98cd2 1.8-wsgi-fkrupicka/MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py: Fixed: AttachFile upload handling & some form-issues
2008-07-15T20:08:23  <CIA-53> Florian Krupicka <florian.krupicka@googlemail.com> default * 3912:bb25a59b5542 1.8-wsgi-fkrupicka/MoinMoin/web/contexts.py: Implemented missing .send_file method
2008-07-15T20:54:39  * ThomasWaldmann writes text_in converter :)
2008-07-15T21:06:17  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: works, but how to register as text/* fallback?
2008-07-15T21:07:46  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: priorities, on the todo list
2008-07-15T21:08:08  <waldi> input.startswith('text/') works for now
2008-07-15T21:08:38  <ThomasWaldmann> if it is added last, right? :)
2008-07-15T21:08:59  <waldi> yes
2008-07-15T21:09:13  <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise it would disable everything else :)
2008-07-15T21:10:12  <waldi> yep
2008-07-15T21:10:58  <ThomasWaldmann>         """Parse the text given as self.raw and return DOM tree."""
2008-07-15T21:11:15  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: that comment is wrong in creole_in, it is given as text
2008-07-15T21:13:51  <ThomasWaldmann> so i call it text_in or plain_in?
2008-07-15T21:19:33  <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3993:d3ad2a9636e7 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/converter2/text_in.py: converter2: implement simple text_in converter (it just puts all text into a codeblock)
2008-07-15T21:59:28  <mmihaljevic> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79528/ I've done it like this but I'm a bit confused how to create_backend than
2008-07-15T22:00:58  <mmihaljevic> and comments - will add/change
2008-07-15T22:02:42  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann
2008-07-15T22:08:19  <ThomasWaldmann> bad names
2008-07-15T22:15:07  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: how do you want to call create_backend?
2008-07-15T22:16:04  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: if you think how to call method , well I'm still thinking how to do that
2008-07-15T22:22:37  <mmihaljevic> ThomasWaldmann: or you think about the name
2008-07-15T22:27:42  <ThomasWaldmann> no, but your create_backend methods have different parameters
2008-07-15T22:28:23  <mmihaljevic> yes, that is what worries me
2008-07-15T22:39:10  <mmihaljevic> I cant change in the groupmanager because i have different parms
2008-07-15T22:50:07  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you can make 1 line out of those 2 in create_backend
2008-07-15T22:50:19  <ThomasWaldmann> (that also eliminates that bad name :)
2008-07-15T22:50:24  <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic:
2008-07-15T22:50:54  <mmihaljevic> :) ok I will