MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-09-21

2008-09-21T10:00:33  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-09-21T11:04:16  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3820:25902b15fcce 1.7/MoinMoin/action/sitemap.py: fixing urls given by sitemap action, if the wiki does not run in the root url of the site (forward port of forgotten 1.5 fix)
2008-09-21T11:18:29  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4123:d15389e4b4a9 1.8/MoinMoin/action/sitemap.py: merged moin/1.7
2008-09-21T11:18:42  <CIA-25> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 51:847897e5fab8 EmeraldTree/emeraldtree/ (HTMLTreeBuilder.py tests/test_HTMLTreeBuilder.py): HTMLTreeBuilder - Make namespace aware, add testcases
2008-09-21T11:20:10  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: the jabber fixes still could get into 1.8beta2 (expected later today)
2008-09-21T11:29:05  <CIA-25> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4410:89008f517ff2 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/formatter/compatibility.py: Compatibility formatter - Use EmeraldTree HTML parser
2008-09-21T11:29:06  <CIA-25> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4411:8703243c16d4 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (Page.py i18n/__init__.py): Page, i18n - Don't use MoinMoin.util.namespaces
2008-09-21T11:29:07  <CIA-25> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4412:22cefab144dd 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/macro2/ (EditedSystemPages.py GoTo.py NewPage.py): Macros - Don't use MoinMoin.util.namespaces
2008-09-21T11:29:08  <CIA-25> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4413:7d9e31ca23d4 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/util/namespaces.py: Remove namespace definitions
2008-09-21T17:33:32  * ThomasWaldmann throws a needle into the channel
2008-09-21T17:35:16  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: did they take back your TFT display?
2008-09-21T17:42:25  <waldi> *pling*
2008-09-21T17:44:08  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(rather deep here)
2008-09-21T17:44:31  * ThomasWaldmann tries to fix some gui editor / converter bugs
2008-09-21T17:45:44  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I have a new one, which, in turn, seems to have a shitty display
2008-09-21T17:45:45  <grzywacz> :S
2008-09-21T17:48:07  <ThomasWaldmann> fsck
2008-09-21T17:49:21  <ThomasWaldmann> what do you mean by "shitty"? usually the tft displays have a quite good display.
2008-09-21T17:51:05  * ThomasWaldmann looks at table caption conversion
2008-09-21T18:00:57  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, it means that colors are completely washed out
2008-09-21T18:01:04  <grzywacz> I'm already getting tired of this...
2008-09-21T18:02:34  <ThomasWaldmann> if the display is rather bright, maybe try to turn brightness and contrast down
2008-09-21T18:02:57  <ThomasWaldmann> some displays are shipped with insane brightness/contrast settings
2008-09-21T18:04:09  <ThomasWaldmann> (and try to run it at display resolution)
2008-09-21T18:06:20  <grzywacz> Heh, I'd never run it in a non-native resolution.
2008-09-21T18:06:54  <ThomasWaldmann> you use dvi?
2008-09-21T18:06:56  <grzywacz> However, I'm unable to get any reasonable results from gamma / brightness / level of dark tests on http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
2008-09-21T18:06:58  <grzywacz> yes, dvi
2008-09-21T18:09:09  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, nice site. what brand/type is it this time?
2008-09-21T18:12:44  <ThomasWaldmann> my notebook tft fails the blue scale in the contrast test
2008-09-21T18:13:21  <grzywacz> SAMSUNG 2256lw
2008-09-21T18:13:29  <grzywacz> 2253, sorry
2008-09-21T18:13:57  <grzywacz> My 5 years old Miro was almost perfect in color tests.
2008-09-21T18:14:44  <grzywacz> :(
2008-09-21T18:16:21  <ThomasWaldmann> my notebook tft also fails sharpness tests
2008-09-21T18:17:29  <ThomasWaldmann> my notebook tft also fails blackness tests
2008-09-21T18:19:59  <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe you have too high expectations if you like to have all those tests pass
2008-09-21T18:20:18  <grzywacz> I'm not buying a brand-new monitor to have it fail miserably at displaying colors
2008-09-21T18:20:42  <grzywacz> Anyway, tests be tests, the colors that actually are displayed look washed out.
2008-09-21T18:20:46  <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is a 2xx EUR screen, not a 2xxx EUR one
2008-09-21T18:20:57  <grzywacz> I'll try to tweak it even more, but I think it's hopeless at this point.
2008-09-21T18:21:12  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, these tests are nothing fancy either
2008-09-21T18:27:41  <ThomasWaldmann> well, see it like this: your 5yo miro maybe cost a multiple amount of what your twice as big display cost you now
2008-09-21T18:29:24  <ThomasWaldmann> for this you maybe want to accept that theses displays aren't perfect, but just good enough to satisfy a usual customer
2008-09-21T18:32:07  <ThomasWaldmann> there are better displays on the market, too, but those displays targetted at dtp or medical application cost a multiple of the usual displays (and I am sure most people would be rather unhappy with that price difference than happy with the quality difference)
2008-09-21T18:34:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (until running those tests, I would've said my notebook has a good display, but the tests tell it has a bad one)
2008-09-21T18:37:30  <grzywacz> The thing is - the previous one (Which I returned because of the very wobbly stand) looked much better.
2008-09-21T18:38:21  <ThomasWaldmann> in the tests or in daily use?
2008-09-21T18:39:19  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is there something in poland like the c't computer magazine in germany?
2008-09-21T18:39:47  <ThomasWaldmann> they usually have quite good and technically detailed tests of such stuff
2008-09-21T18:40:14  <grzywacz> In daily use, the subjective feeling was better.
2008-09-21T18:40:55  <grzywacz> Surely there is, Chip or something.
2008-09-21T18:41:18  <ThomasWaldmann> chip was rather crap usually :)
2008-09-21T18:41:29  <grzywacz> It is.
2008-09-21T18:41:29  <grzywacz> :P
2008-09-21T18:41:45  <grzywacz> I'll probably stick to reviews on the Internet.
2008-09-21T18:42:39  <ThomasWaldmann> i can look in the recent c't issues - i am sure they had some 22" test recently
2008-09-21T18:43:39  <ThomasWaldmann> 22" 1680x1050 dvi and good quality - is that all you are looking for?
2008-09-21T18:43:45  <grzywacz> 2254BW/LW and T220 are the models I'm mostly interested in cost-wise.
2008-09-21T18:44:00  <grzywacz> Yeah, and reasonable price. I'm not going to buy Eizo for twice as much as this one.
2008-09-21T18:44:03  <grzywacz> :)
2008-09-21T18:44:29  <grzywacz> Let's put it this way - if reviewers fail to find any reasonable arguments against it, I'm ok with the model.
2008-09-21T19:21:11  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4124:a6f8071cfbe1 1.8/MoinMoin/converter/text_html_text_moin_wiki.py: GUI editor converter: fix processing of table caption
2008-09-21T19:30:55  <dreimark> moin
2008-09-21T19:31:21  <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark
2008-09-21T19:32:17  <dreimark> ah some more gui bugs becomes fixed :)
2008-09-21T19:36:33  <dreimark> wow this is fun copiyng personal nav links to the gui editor gives a nice list
2008-09-21T19:38:53  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/GuiEditorHeadingFormatChangeToNormal
2008-09-21T19:39:28  <ThomasWaldmann> in general it would be nice if you load the expaterror.log into an editor and just include the interesting part in the bug report
2008-09-21T19:41:25  <dreimark> yeah that's better
2008-09-21T19:47:55  <dreimark> hmm but for that bugreport this "mismatched tag: line 449, column 2" is the last line "</page>"
2008-09-21T19:50:13  <ThomasWaldmann> find out what tag is mismatched
2008-09-21T19:56:03  <dreimark> why is the line ending of any line in expaterror.log CRLF
2008-09-21T20:02:53  <ThomasWaldmann> why not? :)
2008-09-21T20:05:39  <dreimark> vi shows ^M
2008-09-21T20:06:27  <ThomasWaldmann> :set ff=unix
2008-09-21T20:09:34  <dreimark> :)
2008-09-21T21:03:12  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4125:8662bba9e431 1.8/MoinMoin/converter/text_html_text_moin_wiki.py: GUI editor converter: fix roundtripping of free interwiki links
2008-09-21T21:42:49  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if you have time, test my recent changesets
2008-09-21T21:56:33  <dreimark> ok, currently i look a bit on sortable tables
2008-09-21T22:18:33  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/GuiEditorHeadingFormatChangeToNormal that pre does not look like it is related to the changing of a heading
2008-09-21T22:19:38  <dreimark> it looks like something got broken in the middle of the proccess
2008-09-21T22:19:51  <dreimark> but I wonder that it them adds the closing tag
2008-09-21T22:20:08  <dreimark> s/them/then/
2008-09-21T22:35:33  * ThomasWaldmann prepares beta2
2008-09-21T22:42:26  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: how much parameters can I set for an attachment?
2008-09-21T22:43:22  <ThomasWaldmann> as many as you like
2008-09-21T22:45:55  <dreimark> [[attachment:example.jpg|example|width=200px&do=get]] after gui edit becomes [[attachment:example.jpg|example]]
2008-09-21T22:46:33  <dreimark> this makes no sense because it is not transcluded
2008-09-21T22:48:00  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the gui editor now eats all parameters after the first one
2008-09-21T22:50:25  <ThomasWaldmann> see the commit comment
2008-09-21T22:54:22  <dreimark> hmm, the comment makes it clearer but I think we should let the bug report opened because now it doesn't remove all but may be n-1 options
2008-09-21T22:54:33  <dreimark> s/let/keep/
2008-09-21T22:56:02  <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't close the bug
2008-09-21T22:56:29  <dreimark> you are right, I was confused by one of the others
2008-09-21T23:02:46  * dreimark has added the HelpOnTables bug description
2008-09-21T23:03:31  * ThomasWaldmann slaps CIA-25 
2008-09-21T23:04:10  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the do=get should persist
2008-09-21T23:04:33  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4127:399c5a055ca0 1.8/docs/CHANGES: updated CHANGES
2008-09-21T23:04:54  <ThomasWaldmann> but you ned to use &foo=bar,&do=get
2008-09-21T23:05:18  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4128:ce0fb6ecc2c0 1.8/MoinMoin/i18n/ (6 files): updated i18n
2008-09-21T23:05:54  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4129:0052c17365e7 1.8/wiki/underlay.tar: updated underlay
2008-09-21T23:06:28  <dreimark> do=get survives
2008-09-21T23:06:55  * dreimark thinks it is mostly used that way
2008-09-21T23:09:34  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4130:117a21659358 1.8/ (MoinMoin/version.py moin.spec): bump version number to 1.8.0beta2
2008-09-21T23:25:24  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4131:935bd5c48113 1.8/.hgtags: tagged release 1.8.0beta2
2008-09-21T23:38:10  <dreimark> good night
2008-09-21T23:38:20  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark