MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-02-02

2009-02-02T01:08:27  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4529:002c21b10561 1.9/MoinMoin/ (web/session.py xmlrpc/__init__.py): fix / finish xmlrpc auth token (session) code
2009-02-02T01:12:39  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9getAuthTokenNotWorking
2009-02-02T01:18:31  * ThomasWaldmann updates master19:MoinI18n/*
2009-02-02T01:20:02  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, yeah, I think I reported that like half a year ago. It got broken by one of johill's changes
2009-02-02T01:20:15  <grzywacz> Frankly, I though it's been fixed already.
2009-02-02T01:20:16  <grzywacz> ;]
2009-02-02T01:20:23  <grzywacz> *thought it had been fixed
2009-02-02T01:21:16  <ThomasWaldmann> 2 calls inside, 2 broken
2009-02-02T01:21:56  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe check if it works in 1.8 and 1.9
2009-02-02T01:22:24  <grzywacz> I bet it doesn't.
2009-02-02T01:27:50  <grzywacz> That reminds me there's a new point release of pyxmpp. It should probably made a requirement instead of an svn checkout.
2009-02-02T01:28:02  <grzywacz> *probably be
2009-02-02T01:30:24  <ThomasWaldmann> hey cool :)
2009-02-02T01:30:31  * ThomasWaldmann thought it's dead
2009-02-02T01:30:50  <grzywacz> Reproduced in 1.8, it fails.
2009-02-02T01:31:24  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then 1.8 first and then 1.9
2009-02-02T01:32:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and I am very in favour of removing dependencies on a svn checkout
2009-02-02T01:33:23  <grzywacz> That's obvious. :)
2009-02-02T01:33:41  <grzywacz> Ok, let's see what's happened to these token methods...
2009-02-02T01:35:12  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, for 1.9 please pull latest stuff to get my fix for the other xmlrpc auth stuff
2009-02-02T01:35:32  <grzywacz> Ok.
2009-02-02T01:37:52  <grzywacz> MoinMoin could really use a proper bug tracking system. You could assign stuff to me and I could find it more easily or get notified by email.
2009-02-02T01:37:59  <grzywacz> Works perfectly in Wesnoth. ;-)
2009-02-02T01:38:25  <TheSheep> do you volunteer for moving the existing bugs over?
2009-02-02T01:39:22  <grzywacz> No, I don't. Fix them where they are and submit new ones in the tracker.
2009-02-02T01:42:34  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: wesnoth is not a wiki :) using the wiki is nice because you often can demonstrate stuff, easily link to stuff, you already have an account, you can get notifications, etc.
2009-02-02T01:42:58  <TheSheep> .oO( trac )
2009-02-02T01:43:13  <grzywacz> TheSheep, he meant showing moin bugs "in place" :P
2009-02-02T01:43:20  <ThomasWaldmann> and assigning stuff to someone is completely useless if that someone does not care, see zenhase
2009-02-02T01:43:30  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I know the reasoning behind the current solution, but it's inefficient and IMHO lets bugs live longer.
2009-02-02T01:43:47  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, people come and go in every project.
2009-02-02T01:46:02  <ThomasWaldmann> i see 2 big problems with moin bugs:
2009-02-02T01:46:21  <ThomasWaldmann> a) people file duplicates or stuff that is not a bug
2009-02-02T01:46:40  <ThomasWaldmann> b) not enough developers are fixing bugs
2009-02-02T01:47:08  <ThomasWaldmann> oh, and c) sometimes a bug gets fixed and the bug does not get closed (or one of its dupes)
2009-02-02T01:47:20  <grzywacz> Submitting bugs when you have to create a wiki page is more hassle then filling a few forms in <any bug tracking system> which makes users less likely to do that.
2009-02-02T01:47:25  <ThomasWaldmann> but that's all not better if you use a tracker
2009-02-02T01:47:31  <grzywacz> Bugs in the wiki are more difficult to browse, which makes developers care less.
2009-02-02T01:47:49  <dreimark> and d) people don't use a recent version and don't know the problem is gone
2009-02-02T01:48:01  <grzywacz> Duplicates are normal.
2009-02-02T01:48:10  <grzywacz> Easier searching makes them less likely. ;-)
2009-02-02T01:49:00  * dreimark thinks we need some meta structure of the current bug pages which makes another view similiar to a tracking system possible
2009-02-02T01:49:18  <TheSheep> a #!bug parser :)
2009-02-02T01:49:22  <grzywacz> gawd
2009-02-02T01:49:35  <dreimark> ?
2009-02-02T01:49:36  <grzywacz> Whatever. I'm just telling you *I* find it easier to work with a bug tracker than with moin bugs.
2009-02-02T01:49:42  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: how is browsing of bugs practically better in a tracker?
2009-02-02T01:49:53  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, easier to filter by different criteria.
2009-02-02T01:50:06  <ThomasWaldmann> give some practical example
2009-02-02T01:50:07  <TheSheep> you don't get all the other wiki pages in the search results
2009-02-02T01:50:08  <grzywacz> Open & Bug & Not assigned to Anyone & In interface
2009-02-02T01:50:27  <grzywacz> Closed & Feature Request & In Sounds and music
2009-02-02T01:50:38  <grzywacz> etc
2009-02-02T01:51:08  <ThomasWaldmann> how is that different from t:Bugs t:Jabber -MoinMoinBugFixed
2009-02-02T01:51:41  <TheSheep> you can do that?
2009-02-02T01:52:02  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, it's different because I can select valid values from a combo box without invoking arcane syntax
2009-02-02T01:52:03  <ThomasWaldmann> "yes we can" :D
2009-02-02T01:52:30  <grzywacz> A ton easier for anyone how just wants to do something with the bug list, be it browsing or submitting a new ticket
2009-02-02T01:52:41  <dreimark> TheSheep: I think more about a theme and a parser and some more actions which beautifies the search syntax we use currently and may be some forms.
2009-02-02T01:53:08  <dreimark> and we can store all the input in a wiki page so we can use moin for checking too
2009-02-02T01:53:12  <ThomasWaldmann> well, I guess this boils down to cli vs. gui
2009-02-02T01:53:43  <grzywacz> This boils down to being usable or not.
2009-02-02T01:53:45  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: that boils down to lack of documentation
2009-02-02T01:53:55  <TheSheep> gui is self-documenting
2009-02-02T01:54:14  <grzywacz> TheSheep, yeah, I use moin, I found a bug, I go to read "how to submit a bug in 30 easy steps"
2009-02-02T01:54:20  <grzywacz> :D
2009-02-02T01:54:33  <TheSheep> grzywacz: that's not the only possible form of documentation
2009-02-02T01:54:34  <ThomasWaldmann> so assuming we have a bug tracker, do you want to have a wiki page additional to the bug for demonstrating stuff?
2009-02-02T01:54:41  <TheSheep> grzywacz: information has many forms
2009-02-02T01:54:51  <grzywacz> TheSheep, hush, I'm trying to support you :P
2009-02-02T01:54:55  * dreimark want's that
2009-02-02T01:54:59  <TheSheep> grzywacz: support me in what?
2009-02-02T01:55:16  <TheSheep> maybe we should fix the bugs first :)
2009-02-02T01:55:18  <grzywacz> TheSheep, in the argument that gui is self-documenting to some degree, contrary to t:Bugs t:Jabber -something
2009-02-02T01:55:48  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, less clutter for sure. Sometimes you don't need a page to demonstrate, etc.
2009-02-02T01:56:02  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but many times you do
2009-02-02T01:56:09  <grzywacz> btw. Polish translation in 1.8 fails, so many typos...
2009-02-02T01:56:27  <TheSheep> grzywacz: really? I think I went through it some time ago...
2009-02-02T01:56:44  <TheSheep> grzywacz: shame you can't do anything about it ;)
2009-02-02T01:56:54  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2009-02-02T01:57:18  <grzywacz> TheSheep, obviously going through it doesn't cut it ;-)
2009-02-02T01:57:32  <TheSheep> next time I'll try going around it then
2009-02-02T01:57:36  <grzywacz> Good!
2009-02-02T01:57:48  <dreimark> grzywacz: TheSheep do you have different slangs?
2009-02-02T01:57:53  <ThomasWaldmann> there is 1 fuzzy string waiting for someone
2009-02-02T01:57:58  <TheSheep> dreimark: lots of them
2009-02-02T01:58:27  <ThomasWaldmann> 733 translated messages, 2 fuzzy translations, 1 untranslated message. < pl, master19
2009-02-02T01:58:53  * ThomasWaldmann fixes de
2009-02-02T02:00:03  * grzywacz confused by RequestBase.handle_auth
2009-02-02T02:00:31  <dreimark> you are not alone
2009-02-02T02:01:31  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: don't worry, it will be different in 1.9 ;)
2009-02-02T02:02:01  <TheSheep> yay
2009-02-02T02:02:33  <grzywacz> …
2009-02-02T02:02:45  <dreimark> from MoinMoin.web.contexts import ScriptContext
2009-02-02T02:02:49  <dreimark> request = ScriptContext()
2009-02-02T02:03:01  <dreimark> sounds strange
2009-02-02T02:03:20  <dreimark> the old request_cli was somehow nicer
2009-02-02T02:04:03  <TheSheep> lets rename everything
2009-02-02T02:04:35  <grzywacz> a, b, c, ..., aa, ab, ...., xx
2009-02-02T02:04:58  * ThomasWaldmann buys a d
2009-02-02T02:05:45  <TheSheep> you pervert
2009-02-02T02:06:17  <ThomasWaldmann> :P
2009-02-02T02:33:31  <grzywacz> :\
2009-02-02T02:37:00  <grzywacz> This is too convoluted for this time of the day.
2009-02-02T02:37:02  <grzywacz> Night...
2009-02-02T02:41:10  <ThomasWaldmann> gn grzywacz
2009-02-02T02:51:35  <dreimark> night
2009-02-02T02:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2009-02-02T04:51:55  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4530:0ac99fdbe65d 1.9/MoinMoin/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed suid functionality, compute cfg.auth_methods only once
2009-02-02T05:54:18  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4531:83666cc9dc31 1.9/MoinMoin/ (config/multiconfig.py web/session.py wsgiapp.py): new cfg.session_dir setting, store sessions into cache_dir/__session__ by default
2009-02-02T09:11:40  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-02-02T09:37:10  <dreimark> moin
2009-02-02T09:37:53  <dreimark> ronny: suid is fixed by ThomasWaldmann
2009-02-02T10:15:42  <ronny> moin
2009-02-02T10:15:49  <ronny> ah, nice
2009-02-02T10:31:37  <ThomasWaldmann> Cookies are actually identified by the triple name/domain/path < what about the port?
2009-02-02T10:44:51  <dreimark> port would be nice to have, then I don't have less mismatches for all my test systems
2009-02-02T10:45:05  <dreimark> s/don't/do/
2009-02-02T10:55:19  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, great, firefox seems to not differentiate the port. thus localhost:8080 and localhost:8081 use the same cookie storage
2009-02-02T10:55:56  <ThomasWaldmann> RFC 2109 tells "   The user agent keeps separate track of state information that arrives
2009-02-02T10:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann>    via Set-Cookie response headers from each origin server (as
2009-02-02T10:56:00  <ThomasWaldmann>    distinguished by name or IP address and port)"
2009-02-02T11:55:42  <waldi> yeah
2009-02-02T12:29:06  <dreimark> which rfc describes allowed signs for rls hostnames?
2009-02-02T12:29:38  <dreimark> url
2009-02-02T12:32:17  <TheSheep> there are several
2009-02-02T12:32:40  <dreimark> is underscore forbidden ?
2009-02-02T12:33:28  <TheSheep> yes
2009-02-02T12:33:30  <TheSheep> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1178
2009-02-02T12:33:45  <TheSheep> although many dns servers allow it in practice
2009-02-02T12:34:12  <TheSheep> dreimark: see the list of rfcs at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostname
2009-02-02T12:34:38  <dreimark> :)
2009-02-02T12:35:23  <TheSheep> you usually use dash instead of underscore
2009-02-02T13:17:53  <waldi> TheSheep: it is now allowed for SRV records at least
2009-02-02T13:18:10  <TheSheep> waldi: source?
2009-02-02T13:18:52  <waldi> rfc2782
2009-02-02T13:21:23  <TheSheep> isn't it reserved for things like service discovery or bonjour?
2009-02-02T13:22:00  <TheSheep> An underscore (_) is prepended to the service identifier to avoid collisions with DNS labels that occur in nature.
2009-02-02T13:22:25  * TheSheep has never seen a wild dns label ;)
2009-02-02T16:27:19  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: (or anyone else) http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9WikiSyncNotWorking can you still reproduce that? I can't.
2009-02-02T17:03:35  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: will try later.
2009-02-02T17:03:50  <dreimark> I have another question.
2009-02-02T17:03:53  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/BrowserDoesNotSetAlwaysAttributeAbbr
2009-02-02T17:04:14  <dreimark> does one see a problem with that patch in 1.8 ?
2009-02-02T17:36:16  <ThomasWaldmann> see that page
2009-02-02T17:53:36  <dreimark> that unicode function is used on the other places too.
2009-02-02T19:53:15  <grzywacz> re
2009-02-02T19:53:34  <ThomasWaldmann> hi grzywacz
2009-02-02T20:03:10  <grzywacz> TheSheep, http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/recoverpass/MoinMoinWiki?action=recoverpass
2009-02-02T20:03:18  <grzywacz> 4ct10n is 1337 btw ;>
2009-02-02T20:05:50  * TheSheep slaps grzywacz with a w37 133k
2009-02-02T20:06:10  <TheSheep> grzywacz: what about that?
2009-02-02T20:06:27  <grzywacz> TheSheep, I have a piece of text merged with a header
2009-02-02T20:08:22  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, http://moinmo.in/JabberConnectivity ???
2009-02-02T20:08:31  <TheSheep> grzywacz: an?
2009-02-02T20:08:33  <TheSheep> and?
2009-02-02T20:08:42  <grzywacz> TheSheep, and it's broken. period. ;)
2009-02-02T20:08:42  <Noya> is grzybacz the same as grzywacz?
2009-02-02T20:08:47  <grzywacz> Noya, yes
2009-02-02T20:08:54  <Noya> nice ;)
2009-02-02T20:09:23  <Noya> grzywacz: one question: is it intentional that user-created-events are not sent by the jabberbot?
2009-02-02T20:09:45  <grzywacz> Noya, no. AFAIK it should work for superusers only though.
2009-02-02T20:10:08  <Noya> grzywacz: okay, then its a bug
2009-02-02T20:10:10  <TheSheep> grzywacz: what a shame we can't do anthing about it
2009-02-02T20:10:12  <Noya> it's
2009-02-02T20:10:31  <grzywacz> TheSheep, yes, indeed.
2009-02-02T20:10:58  <TheSheep> grzywacz: if only there was a wiki page like http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/pl where some vigilant user like grzywacz could correct it!
2009-02-02T20:11:01  <Noya> grzywacz: the function that should handle this event is simple: pass :)
2009-02-02T20:11:34  <grzywacz> Noya, oh. ;)
2009-02-02T20:11:49  <Noya> grzywacz: are you the original author of the bot?
2009-02-02T20:11:51  <TheSheep> no, wait, there is such a page!
2009-02-02T20:11:54  <grzywacz> Noya, yes
2009-02-02T20:12:22  <Noya> grzywacz: then I have another question: why do you send messages with message-type="message"
2009-02-02T20:12:22  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: no idea, ask xorAxAx
2009-02-02T20:12:30  <Noya> grzywacz: is there any intention behind that?
2009-02-02T20:13:03  <xorAxAx> about what?
2009-02-02T20:14:19  <grzywacz> plonk ;)
2009-02-02T20:15:18  <grzywacz> Noya, yes. The intention was that notifications aren't part of a conversation.
2009-02-02T20:15:26  <grzywacz> Noya, it should respond with "chat" if chatted to.
2009-02-02T20:15:30  <Noya> grzywacz: okay
2009-02-02T20:15:44  <Noya> grzywacz: the thing is, there is no "message" type in the xmpp RFC+
2009-02-02T20:15:49  <Noya> -+
2009-02-02T20:16:37  <Noya> grzywacz: I guess "normal" would be what you want (as opposed to "chat")
2009-02-02T20:17:04  <Noya> grzywacz: I noticed this because pidgin doesn't show messages with illegal message-type... ;)
2009-02-02T20:17:44  <Noya> first I thought the bot was broken... but with other instant messengers it worked, so I thought pidgin is broken
2009-02-02T20:17:56  <Noya> and yeah, in the end I saw both are broken ;)
2009-02-02T20:26:34  <grzywacz> Noya, indeed, good catch :)
2009-02-02T20:26:52  <Noya> grzywacz: so, I've written to patches
2009-02-02T20:27:08  <Noya> I'm now going to post them in the moinmo.in wiki
2009-02-02T20:27:17  <grzywacz> Noya, cool, thanks
2009-02-02T20:27:26  <Noya> would be great if you could have a look at them grzywacz
2009-02-02T20:27:33  <grzywacz> Will do.
2009-02-02T20:27:35  <Noya> when you have time ;)
2009-02-02T20:27:41  <Noya> I'm new to the codebase
2009-02-02T20:28:19  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, are you by any chance familiar with the current authentication code?
2009-02-02T20:28:47  <xorAxAx> no
2009-02-02T20:29:05  <xorAxAx> plonk?
2009-02-02T20:36:24  <Noya> when I run py.test I get the following results
2009-02-02T20:36:52  <Noya> from the root dir of moinmoin: 1 test failed: conf-test
2009-02-02T20:37:01  <Noya> form jabberbot dir: 3 tests successfull
2009-02-02T20:37:13  <Noya> from every other dir: AttributeError(Function)
2009-02-02T20:37:40  <Noya> I get the AttributeError also when I want to run single tests
2009-02-02T20:37:50  <Noya> am I doing something wrong here? ;)
2009-02-02T20:38:06  <grzywacz> No idea, I haven't used it for a while now...
2009-02-02T20:40:28  <Noya> at least the jabberbot tests run ;)
2009-02-02T20:40:36  <dreimark> Noya: which version do you use
2009-02-02T20:40:45  <Noya> dreimark: 1.8-tip
2009-02-02T20:40:53  <dreimark> py.test I meant
2009-02-02T20:41:06  <Noya> debian-stable versions
2009-02-02T20:41:47  <Noya> if you ask like that I guess it's too old ;)
2009-02-02T20:56:23  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PortSpecificCookie < if someone has a better idea, feel free :)
2009-02-02T21:04:35  <ThomasWaldmann> (one could use MOIN_SESSION_<PORT>)
2009-02-02T21:42:27  * grzywacz is tempted to write an applyJabberAuthToken method to get around the auth framework :E
2009-02-02T22:22:22  <Noya> grzywacz: okay, I've opened two bug reports with patches attached
2009-02-02T22:22:32  <Noya> grzywacz: let me know if there are further questions :)
2009-02-02T22:22:38  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: and thanks for your help :)
2009-02-02T22:22:38  <grzywacz> Noya, urls?
2009-02-02T22:22:50  <Noya> grzywacz: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/JabberbotDoesntSendUserCreatedNotifications
2009-02-02T22:23:01  <Noya> grzywacz: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/JabberbotSendsRFCNonCompliantMessages
2009-02-02T23:33:41  <Noya> if I wanted to write a macro
2009-02-02T23:33:55  <Noya> that does some simple table calculation
2009-02-02T23:34:12  <Noya> for example summing up the values in one column
2009-02-02T23:34:45  <Noya> how would be the best way to get the values in the individuel cells?
2009-02-02T23:35:51  <ThomasWaldmann> don't we already have something similar on the Market pages?
2009-02-02T23:36:55  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/Sctable
2009-02-02T23:37:40  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: ah thank you
2009-02-02T23:37:50  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: I was just searching on the macro market...
2009-02-02T23:40:14  <dreimark> Noya: see ssltable or sctable
2009-02-02T23:40:20  <dreimark> it's a parser
2009-02-02T23:40:52  <dreimark> sstable is based on sctable
2009-02-02T23:43:52  <Noya> just out of curiosity, would something simplel like summing up a column be possible with a macro?
2009-02-02T23:44:35  <ThomasWaldmann> a macro easily only has access to its params
2009-02-02T23:45:07  <dreimark> Noya: no
2009-02-02T23:45:17  <dreimark> you can't parse content
2009-02-02T23:45:35  <dreimark> a macro is only a one liner
2009-02-02T23:45:50  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: I guess there would be a recursion problem if the macro would want to read the page it is on?
2009-02-02T23:46:14  <dreimark> Noya: that makes no sense if you call that macrto more than once on the page
2009-02-02T23:46:15  <ThomasWaldmann> you could read the page src
2009-02-02T23:46:21  <Noya> dreimark: I was thinking of something like || sum: || <<SUM(above)>> ||
2009-02-02T23:46:35  <dreimark> that is implemented by sstable
2009-02-02T23:46:55  <Noya> dreimark: yeah, I know now ;)
2009-02-02T23:47:41  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: okay, so I could read the page source, look for the table where me (the SUM macro) is in, get the values in columns and print the result...
2009-02-02T23:47:58  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/Sctable/Examples
2009-02-02T23:48:03  <ThomasWaldmann> yes (but that would be a bit ugly)
2009-02-02T23:48:27  <Noya> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, seems like it would be ;)
2009-02-02T23:48:49  <Noya> dreimark: thanks, I already had a look at the examples
2009-02-02T23:49:47  <dreimark> Noya: improve that parser i have introduced it because I have had to calc a coffee list in our wiki
2009-02-02T23:50:13  <Noya> dreimark: nice ;)
2009-02-02T23:51:00  <Noya> I simply try to better understand how the code of moinmoin is structured
2009-02-02T23:51:23  <Noya> and wondered what is possible and what not, by looking at the code...
2009-02-02T23:51:32  <dreimark> Noya: if you like examples http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Beispiele
2009-02-02T23:51:34  <Noya> this was just a theoretical question that came up in my mind :)
2009-02-02T23:52:40  <Noya> dreimark: dammit, that is nice!
2009-02-02T23:53:03  <Noya> dreimark: thanks a lot
2009-02-02T23:53:26  <Noya> this page should be translated into english and then be linked from MoinDev
2009-02-02T23:53:34  <Noya> and MoinDev should be linked from the front-page
2009-02-02T23:53:43  <dreimark> yeah I was waiting for a ghop student ;)
2009-02-02T23:54:02  <Noya> seriously, sometimes it is a bit confusing to find the page you are looking for on moinmo.in
2009-02-02T23:54:13  <Noya> dreimark: for translating ;)
2009-02-02T23:54:48  <dreimark> yeah, we have had last year some which did a great job. I am not a natural speaker and I have sometimes fun with grammar
2009-02-02T23:55:33  <Noya> dreimark: yeah, I guess we both are native german speakers?
2009-02-02T23:55:45  <dreimark> looks like
2009-02-02T23:55:53  <Noya> ghop and gsoc are really great :)
2009-02-02T23:56:00  <Noya> last year I was a gsoc student for gnome
2009-02-02T23:56:17  <dreimark> yeah, i mentored the second time
2009-02-02T23:56:28  <Noya> isn't it fun :D
2009-02-02T23:56:40  <Noya> dreimark: so you will mentor again this year?
2009-02-02T23:56:50  <dreimark> almost and the guide was the outcome of the first mentoring
2009-02-02T23:56:59  <dreimark> if I get a student I do it again
2009-02-02T23:57:20  <Noya> dreimark: yeah, the same goes for me...
2009-02-02T23:57:33  <Noya> -again +for the first time :p
2009-02-02T23:57:38  <dreimark> do you like to be a student for moin ?
2009-02-02T23:58:02  <Noya> dreimark: I guess I'll give the other students a chance...
2009-02-02T23:58:17  <Noya> ;)
2009-02-02T23:58:30  <dreimark> we like students who knows the codebase before starting ;)
2009-02-02T23:58:51  <Noya> ^^
2009-02-02T23:59:53  <Noya> maybe I will mentor for Gnome / Soylent if a student applies... I doubt it because the project is not that big ;)