MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-09-21

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2009-09-21T08:59:19  <dreimark> moin
2009-09-21T09:01:43  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-09-21T09:38:56  <JosefMeier> Moin Moin
2009-09-21T09:39:20  <JosefMeier> <- don't gives up to find a way to enable line breaks in table without the need to use the <<BR>> macro manually :-)
2009-09-21T09:39:44  <JosefMeier> also with IE !
2009-09-21T10:07:04  <dreimark> moin
2009-09-21T10:59:49  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 5160:cb9b62a2a223 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/strings.py: i18n.strings: page HelpOnImages added
2009-09-21T12:11:08  <JosefMeier> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: What do you think about having a way to create paragraphs in tables, too? What speaks against having an additional Parameter in the BR macro which signs it for creating a paragraph and not a line break? Also a paragraph macro would be possible.  This would help a lot for places, where the Wiki markup doesn't support paragraphs cause it would break the syntax  there,...
2009-09-21T12:11:10  <JosefMeier> ...like in tables.
2009-09-21T12:18:16  <JosefMeier> Or:
2009-09-21T12:19:36  <JosefMeier> Bastian wrote this new domtree code. In which MM version will it be merged to? It would much more easier to change wiki2html conversion with it. No regular expressions needed.
2009-09-21T12:35:31  <dreimark> 2.0
2009-09-21T12:37:40  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: having <<BR>> create <p> is silly
2009-09-21T12:38:18  <ThomasWaldmann> and in general: there won't be major changes in 1.9 about how moin works
2009-09-21T12:39:33  <ThomasWaldmann> there are about 5d left to get some minor changes into the last beta, after that we'll mostly fix bugs so that the rc will really be a "release candidate"
2009-09-21T12:40:39  <ThomasWaldmann> and after 1.9 is finally out, there will also be mostly bugfixing there. development will happen in 2.0.
2009-09-21T12:41:17  <JosefMeier> hm
2009-09-21T12:44:20  <ThomasWaldmann> (and one of the next bigger things in 2.0 will be merging editor [after more review] and dom repo)
2009-09-21T12:46:38  <JosefMeier> so you expect that the gui editor will have a stronger focus on in 2.0 ?
2009-09-21T12:48:47  <ThomasWaldmann> it is rather low on my personal priority list
2009-09-21T12:49:04  <ThomasWaldmann> but the good news is that the infrastructure in 2.0 is better for it
2009-09-21T12:49:21  <ThomasWaldmann> or rather, it COULD be better for it, if someone writes some converters
2009-09-21T12:50:16  <ThomasWaldmann> also, a very unproblematic and convenient option to use the gui editor in 2.0 is with text/html items (without doing any conversion)
2009-09-21T12:50:17  <JosefMeier> when do you think will the dom repo be merged into the 2.0-storage ?
2009-09-21T12:50:40  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: html items don't support macros as far as I understood
2009-09-21T12:50:49  <ThomasWaldmann> as soon as waldi and me have time for it
2009-09-21T12:51:05  <ThomasWaldmann> of course not
2009-09-21T12:51:19  <ThomasWaldmann> but they support XSS :P
2009-09-21T12:52:04  <JosefMeier> and this enables macro support?
2009-09-21T12:52:25  <JosefMeier> cause a page without macros could be rather boring, isn't it :-) ?
2009-09-21T12:53:16  <JosefMeier> bbl
2009-09-21T12:54:50  <ThomasWaldmann> (that was a joke, btw :)
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2009-09-21T16:48:25  <LotekThirteen> moinmoin
2009-09-21T16:49:05  <LotekThirteen> btw. http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs seems not showing bugs anymore, looks like the query <<FullSearchCached(t:MoinMoinBugs/ re:\bCategoryMoinMoinBugConfirmed\b)>>  is not working
2009-09-21T16:50:51  <LotekThirteen> fullsearch with cat:CategoryMoinMoinBug works...
2009-09-21T17:21:38  <ThomasWaldmann> oops
2009-09-21T17:21:49  <ThomasWaldmann> hey, no bugs \o/
2009-09-21T17:23:32  <ThomasWaldmann> shit, now it is 300 of them again
2009-09-21T17:28:54  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140810/
2009-09-21T17:31:44  <ThomasWaldmann> it is not a "drawing" ext mapping
2009-09-21T17:34:55  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe rather attachment_extension_mapping
2009-09-21T17:35:52  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, I am not really sure whether we should make that configurable
2009-09-21T17:36:47  <ThomasWaldmann> AttachFile is dead code, we should not foster developments based on it
2009-09-21T17:36:50  <dreimark> why not? me want to continue with SvgEditor
2009-09-21T17:37:50  <dreimark> I don
2009-09-21T17:38:09  <dreimark> 't think that we foster something by making it configurable
2009-09-21T17:38:26  <dreimark> in 2.0 it will become a "modify" action anyway
2009-09-21T17:40:03  <ThomasWaldmann> so, what do you like to do with svgeditor? put it into 1.9? make an extension?
2009-09-21T17:42:27  <dreimark> because of currentunknown effects for ie users I want to develop it in extensions. if I a add it to 1.9 it is currently only for firefox users useable
2009-09-21T17:43:16  <dreimark> if people accept that it is in development process to become later useable by ie users too
2009-09-21T17:43:25  <dreimark> then we also could add it to 1.9
2009-09-21T17:45:06  <ThomasWaldmann> did you try it with recent svgweb?
2009-09-21T17:46:03  <dreimark> can do, luckily I have a windows system in my office currently until it moves to its user
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2009-09-21T18:09:30  <JosefMeier_> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: will the latest changesets in 1.9-draw be merged to the next beta?
2009-09-21T18:09:38  <dreimark> no
2009-09-21T18:09:59  <dreimark> the java changes must go into the repo of anywikidraw
2009-09-21T18:10:39  <dreimark> that means at any time of 1.9 we can update to 0.13.4
2009-09-21T18:10:48  <dreimark> when it is ready
2009-09-21T18:11:27  <dreimark> so we can plan to make a 1.9.1 because of that
2009-09-21T18:15:32  <JosefMeier_> dreimark: do we decide, when the java changes go to the anywikidraw repo?
2009-09-21T18:15:49  <JosefMeier_> cause you said, that we can push the changes ourselves
2009-09-21T18:16:58  <dreimark> well then they need to review them and they have to create the 0.13.4 for us
2009-09-21T18:17:33  <JosefMeier_> ok
2009-09-21T18:17:51  <dreimark> it is not such much code change they must be really busy.
2009-09-21T18:18:27  <JosefMeier_> you pushed it already there?
2009-09-21T18:18:56  <dreimark> no I asked for reviewing
2009-09-21T18:19:19  <dreimark> before doing that it is better they review otherwise they will revert it
2009-09-21T18:56:22  <dreimark> JosefMeier_: may be add also a nice adraw to master19
2009-09-21T18:56:59  <JosefMeier_> Uups. I have to write a help page for it, too
2009-09-21T19:08:16  <JosefMeier_> This TextCha questions are rather challenging :-)
2009-09-21T19:14:45  <dreimark> what do you mean
2009-09-21T19:14:53  <dreimark> don't you be logged in?
2009-09-21T19:14:59  <dreimark> JosefMeier_: ^
2009-09-21T19:15:25  <JosefMeier_> Im writing a little help page for drawings in master moin 1.9
2009-09-21T19:38:58  <JosefMeier_> what's the right answer for "What is this site about?
2009-09-21T19:40:38  <JosefMeier_> wikis. puh
2009-09-21T19:45:17  <ThomasWaldmann> it is usually something short and easy
2009-09-21T19:45:48  <JosefMeier_> whats easy about "What is this site about?" -> "wikis" :-) ???
2009-09-21T19:46:48  <JosefMeier_> "When was world war 2 over ... in the chinese calendar?"
2009-09-21T19:48:18  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is that the question must be site specific
2009-09-21T20:01:41  <JosefMeier_> Added a little help page for drawings in moin master 1.9
2009-09-21T20:01:46  <JosefMeier_> HelpOnDrawings
2009-09-21T20:03:09  <TheSheep> perhaps it would be nice to have all the 'HelpOn' pages merged on a single page
2009-09-21T20:03:14  <JosefMeier_> dreimark: it would be great if at least the Applet params could be changed for the beta so the width and height aren't given to the applet. Cause the image always is that big.
2009-09-21T20:03:19  <TheSheep> they wouldn't clutter the search results so much
2009-09-21T20:03:51  <JosefMeier_> TheSheep: Me too. Also sitemaps wouldn't be so huge! Every help page is on the same hierarchic level. There's no reason for that!
2009-09-21T20:05:57  <TheSheep> except for legacy reasons
2009-09-21T20:06:21  <TheSheep> the problem is, we have all those translations, and the people who made them are gone...
2009-09-21T20:09:11  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i thought about starting from scratch for 2.0
2009-09-21T20:09:27  <ThomasWaldmann> i.e. empty moin2 wiki, empty moin2 master wiki
2009-09-21T20:10:38  <ThomasWaldmann> problem with merging all user help into one page is currently that the page would get rather long
2009-09-21T20:10:49  <ThomasWaldmann> and there's no section editing yet
2009-09-21T20:13:26  <TheSheep> I have that js for scrolling the textarea, it works
2009-09-21T20:13:39  <TheSheep> besides, you don't want them to edit that page
2009-09-21T20:15:55  <ThomasWaldmann> translators need to be able to maintain the translation
2009-09-21T20:22:07  <TheSheep> maybe it could be merged before shipping?
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2009-09-21T20:33:07  <JosefMeier_> I would like to adjust the freemind sitemap to 1.8. But the way requests are handled has changed. Is there any wiki page which describes that?
2009-09-21T20:34:18  <ThomasWaldmann> you mean 1.9?
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2009-09-21T22:31:25  <dreimark> re
2009-09-21T22:32:08  <dreimark> JosefMeier_: I know but it doesn't help us if anywikidraw people don't accept the patch afterwards
2009-09-21T22:33:20  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: it is blue t-shirt this time
2009-09-21T22:48:23  * dreimark investigates regex search
2009-09-21T22:50:36  * ThomasWaldmann has seen it, looks like a bluescreen somehow
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2009-09-21T23:23:26  * dreimark wonders about 2009-09-21 23:20:01,388 WARNING MoinMoin.search:53 Slow moin search is used because the Xapian index does not exist. You should create it using the moin index build command.
2009-09-21T23:23:43  <dreimark> while building the index. can't remember seeing that before
2009-09-21T23:43:28  <ThomasWaldmann> if there is no index, it can't do indexed search