MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-01-13

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   4 2010-01-13T08:31:03  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
   5 2010-01-13T09:44:34  <dreimark> moin
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  10 2010-01-13T17:12:29  <dreimark> bbl
  11 2010-01-13T18:51:31  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: btw, whats the general idea on implementing something like comments/page-discussions in 2.0
  12 2010-01-13T18:52:08  <johill> you mean namespaces? :)
  13 2010-01-13T18:52:31  <johill> I mean, what's the purpose of such a thing except to separate it out
  14 2010-01-13T18:53:10  <ronny> johill: im have no idea what you mean now
  15 2010-01-13T18:53:40  <johill> I'm just thinking of wikipedia's Discussion: and User: etc
  16 2010-01-13T18:53:47  <ronny> i mean stuff like putting a thread of comments on a image/ticket/movie in the wiki
  17 2010-01-13T18:53:50  <johill> and wondering what you're thinking of
  18 2010-01-13T18:54:04  <johill> oh like a bb-style form thing?
  19 2010-01-13T18:54:20  <johill> or forum-style?
  20 2010-01-13T18:54:23  <ronny> yes
  21 2010-01-13T18:54:39  <johill> what advantages do you see in that over hand-editing a page?
  22 2010-01-13T18:55:00  <johill> or possibly having a way to add comments to a page in a more structured way?
  23 2010-01-13T18:55:14  <johill> like not 'the page' but a 'comments page'
  24 2010-01-13T18:55:16  <ronny> yup, also to prevent other users from editing my comments
  25 2010-01-13T18:55:26  <johill> oh ok
  26 2010-01-13T18:55:39  <johill> dunno
  27 2010-01-13T18:56:02  <ronny> well, i suppose a set of items could do
  28 2010-01-13T18:56:13  <johill> I'd fear that you get a page that has a lot of outdated information, and then a huge list of comments explaining how it's wrong ;)
  29 2010-01-13T18:56:58  <ronny> well, i would use comments for stuff like tickets or media
  30 2010-01-13T18:57:11  <johill> right
  31 2010-01-13T18:57:21  <ronny> and discussions should probably have topics one can mark as finished
  32 2010-01-13T18:58:09  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: btw, seen how fossil works, its repo structure is pretty interesting
  33 2010-01-13T18:58:32  <dreimark> ronny: you speak about supplementation pages like in 1.x
  34 2010-01-13T18:58:37  <dreimark> ?
  35 2010-01-13T18:59:40  <johill> ronny: I've been thinking if moin should be based on django to allow integration with other django apps
  36 2010-01-13T18:59:52  <ronny> johill: never ever :P
  37 2010-01-13T19:00:19  <ronny> well
  38 2010-01-13T19:00:29  <johill> but of course django is all about db, and we have our own stuff for that
  39 2010-01-13T19:00:53  <ronny> johill: i despise pretty much all parts of django
  40 2010-01-13T19:01:04  <johill> really? oh well
  41 2010-01-13T19:01:15  * dreimark watches a talk about scapy
  42 2010-01-13T19:01:23  <ronny> dreimark: url?
  43 2010-01-13T19:01:36  <johill> I didn't want to work on that anyway, but I did ponder integration between moin and other things
  44 2010-01-13T19:03:11  <dreimark> ronny: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration/SupplementationPage
  45 2010-01-13T19:03:25  <ronny> dreimark: i meant that scapy talk
  46 2010-01-13T19:03:47  <dreimark> ah it is not online yet i am at pycologne
  47 2010-01-13T19:04:10  <ronny> dreimark: i understood what SupplementationPage's are, but i'd prefer to have acl'd items for each comment, so others cant change them
  48 2010-01-13T19:09:21  <dreimark> interesting, may be add a fr page and describe it. this is similiar to something like section editing
  49 2010-01-13T19:10:15  <johill> could also be done with a page per comment
  50 2010-01-13T19:10:24  <johill> like comment/1/2/1
  51 2010-01-13T19:10:35  <johill> would be the first reply to the second reply to the first comment
  52 2010-01-13T19:11:03  <johill> and then a smart include
  53 2010-01-13T19:27:40  <dreimark> thats something like subitems then
  54 2010-01-13T19:28:46  <dreimark> dennda: are different acls for subitems possibel?
  55 2010-01-13T19:29:14  <dreimark> s/el/le/
  56 2010-01-13T19:29:44  <dennda> define subitem
  57 2010-01-13T19:30:38  <dennda> every item has its own acl (actually it may have different revisions of those acls in the item's revision's metadata.)
  58 2010-01-13T19:30:47  <dennda> so i guess the answer to your question is yes
  59 2010-01-13T20:52:44  <johill> yeah it sure is :P
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  62 2010-01-13T22:39:51  <dreimark> re
  63 2010-01-13T23:01:02  <johill> hm I should port latex to sendcache
  64 2010-01-13T23:01:05  <johill> for the caching
  65 2010-01-13T23:01:19  <johill> all the images
  66 2010-01-13T23:04:42  <dreimark> johill: mathtran is doing this already
  67 2010-01-13T23:05:03  <dreimark> if you want an example
  68 2010-01-13T23:05:16  <johill> hm?
  69 2010-01-13T23:05:20  <johill> I have a latex parser/macro
  70 2010-01-13T23:05:26  <johill> but it creates attachments
  71 2010-01-13T23:05:32  <johill> just thinking it should do sendcache
  72 2010-01-13T23:05:38  <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/file/67b064b600e9/data/plugin/parser/text_x_mathtran.py
  73 2010-01-13T23:06:56  <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/file/67b064b600e9/data/plugin/parser/inline_latex.py
  74 2010-01-13T23:07:12  <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/file/67b064b600e9/data/plugin/macro/mathtran.py
  75 2010-01-13T23:07:47  <johill> hm but that uses the service
  76 2010-01-13T23:08:18  <dreimark> and yours has more config options
  77 2010-01-13T23:08:28  <johill> heh no idea
  78 2010-01-13T23:08:33  <johill> if that's a good thing
  79 2010-01-13T23:08:50  <dreimark> i think you have some configs which could be shared
  80 2010-01-13T23:08:55  <dreimark> and mathtran is tex
  81 2010-01-13T23:09:13  <johill> mine just calls tex too
  82 2010-01-13T23:11:33  <dreimark> ok, if it is ported to sendcache it is nice to have too. some people don't like to share their formulars with mathtran
  83 2010-01-13T23:11:53  <johill> or rely on it not going down while you want to view your pages ...
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