1 2010-03-23T01:03:26 *** JosefMeier
2 2010-03-23T04:03:28 *** not-xjjk
3 2010-03-23T05:06:11 *** TheSheep
4 2010-03-23T05:36:30 *** kursor
5 2010-03-23T06:46:18 *** kursor
6 2010-03-23T08:33:37 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
7 2010-03-23T08:40:29 <ronny> moin
8 2010-03-23T08:42:41 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: whats the current branch i should have as my default?
9 2010-03-23T08:46:59 <ThomasWaldmann> for?
10 2010-03-23T08:48:53 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: taking a look on details of how the glashammer port gsoc can be done, if that can be multi-student for different aspects (theming for example)
11 2010-03-23T08:49:47 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe use 2.0-storage-dom-bblank for that
12 2010-03-23T08:52:13 <ronny> hmm, time to put my moin repo on bitbucket
13 2010-03-23T09:05:13 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the dom stuff still needs an image converter
14 2010-03-23T09:05:36 <ThomasWaldmann> (somehow like image "include")
15 2010-03-23T09:08:23 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: image include?!
16 2010-03-23T09:09:04 <dreimark> moin
17 2010-03-23T09:10:08 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: just try images with the dom repo code
18 2010-03-23T09:11:28 <ThomasWaldmann> they don't work yet. but showing an image is a similar action than "including" another wiki text, it is both basically transclude.
19 2010-03-23T09:20:08 <dreimark> hmm, image als placeholder for any non html mimetype?
20 2010-03-23T09:20:22 <dreimark> s/als/as - me wakeup
21 2010-03-23T12:20:55 <ThomasWaldmann> wtf, ubuntu lucid still has 1.8.4 8(
22 2010-03-23T12:32:48 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, they have dependency problems, because werkzeug and parsedatetime are in universe
23 2010-03-23T12:35:01 <dreimark> but they could have at least 1.8.7
24 2010-03-23T12:40:17 <ThomasWaldmann> yes (although that won't help them if we stop supporting 1.8)
25 2010-03-23T12:40:59 <ThomasWaldmann> and security related stuff in 1.9 is often a bit different to 1.8 due to wsgi refactoring/werkzeug
26 2010-03-23T12:51:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, it looks like debian, ubuntu, fedora have fixed the recent security issues
27 2010-03-23T12:52:27 <ThomasWaldmann> i couldn't find information about suse/novell security updates
28 2010-03-23T13:05:43 <dreimark> hmm if i look at that dir ttp://download.opensuse.org/update/11.2/rpm/src/
29 2010-03-23T13:05:53 <dreimark> i think there is not any update done
30 2010-03-23T13:11:23 <dreimark> or they don't have a moin version in theire package
31 2010-03-23T13:36:18 *** kursor
32 2010-03-23T15:57:01 *** TheSheep
33 2010-03-23T17:36:36 *** y84
34 2010-03-23T18:14:04 *** kursor
35 2010-03-23T20:44:19 *** valeuf
36 2010-03-23T20:45:27 <valeuf> hello
37 2010-03-23T20:45:59 <valeuf> I just saw that MoinMoin has been accepted as a mentoring organization for GSoC 2010
38 2010-03-23T20:46:20 <valeuf> and on the project idea page, I saw some interesting stuffs ^ ^
39 2010-03-23T20:46:49 <valeuf> Especially the "Dom based format transformations"
40 2010-03-23T20:47:02 <valeuf> I remember that I talk with some devs about this few weeks ago
41 2010-03-23T20:47:48 <valeuf> I am quite interested in this project, so I'd like to get more information about it
42 2010-03-23T20:48:10 <dreimark> hi valeuf
43 2010-03-23T20:48:30 <dreimark> waldi: ThomasWaldmann ping
44 2010-03-23T20:48:43 <waldi> yep?
45 2010-03-23T20:49:09 <waldi> valeuf: well, that would by my responsibility
46 2010-03-23T20:49:42 <valeuf> especially it seems that there is three sub-projects, I think they are quite close, so do you consider it as a full project for GSoC ?
47 2010-03-23T20:50:09 <valeuf> personally I had a look about docbook stuffs with the new 2.0 moinmoin
48 2010-03-23T20:50:15 <valeuf> I think it is not so big task
49 2010-03-23T20:51:25 <waldi> depends on your knowledge
50 2010-03-23T20:51:29 <ThomasWaldmann> do you have special knowledge about docbook?
51 2010-03-23T20:52:53 <valeuf> waldi: ThomasWaldmann : Well I am not a big docbook guru, but I am using it regularly
52 2010-03-23T20:53:42 <valeuf> Actually, I am writing my different report on my wiki, then export it into docbook to print it, or convert it into pdf
53 2010-03-23T20:55:22 <ThomasWaldmann> well you'll need experience with docbook/xml itself
54 2010-03-23T20:55:50 <valeuf> my university want some specific page layout, so I wrote a XSL stylesheet to have a nice result
55 2010-03-23T20:56:10 <dreimark> bbl
56 2010-03-23T20:57:41 <valeuf> I have some experience with XML itself, not so much with Docbook (except some hack in my different documents to fix few minor issues)
57 2010-03-23T20:58:08 <valeuf> But I do not know if it is enough
58 2010-03-23T20:58:28 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe have a look at the moin 2.0 dom repo, see hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage-dom-bblank
59 2010-03-23T20:58:39 <ThomasWaldmann> esp. the converter2 package
60 2010-03-23T20:58:44 <valeuf> globally, I am regularly using XML in different project to store data
61 2010-03-23T20:59:16 <valeuf> for one school project I wrote a XML parser, because we did not have the right to use external library, it was something close to tinyXML
62 2010-03-23T20:59:23 <valeuf> but I think it is not big experience
63 2010-03-23T20:59:55 <valeuf> yep, I had a look about this few weeks ago, when you told me that Docbook support will probably disappear from Moin2
64 2010-03-23T21:00:05 <valeuf> I will check about it more carefully
65 2010-03-23T21:01:25 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you do the docbook stuff, you should be willing to maintain it. the problem with past docbook work was that it was mostly unmaintained.
66 2010-03-23T21:02:18 <valeuf> well I cannot promise a 10 year 24/7 support engagement, but anymay I am willing to join Moinmoin community
67 2010-03-23T21:02:50 <valeuf> *anyway
68 2010-03-23T21:03:08 <valeuf> It is just quite weird to me to work in such of community
69 2010-03-23T21:03:39 <valeuf> I do not feel so confident with IRC chat, mailing list and so on, I much prefer physical meeting !! although it is quite impossible
70 2010-03-23T21:03:59 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is possible, but not too often :)
71 2010-03-23T21:04:04 <valeuf> Moinmoin comes from Germany isn' t it ?
72 2010-03-23T21:04:18 <valeuf> most of developpers are still from there ??
73 2010-03-23T21:04:23 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
74 2010-03-23T21:04:38 <ThomasWaldmann> some are also from elsewhere, though, but mostly europe
75 2010-03-23T21:04:39 <valeuf> from where in Germany ?
76 2010-03-23T21:04:49 <valeuf> do you do some dev meeting ?
77 2010-03-23T21:04:55 <valeuf> I'd love to join one
78 2010-03-23T21:05:07 <ThomasWaldmann> Juergen Hermann lives in Karlsruhe, but he's not active any more.
79 2010-03-23T21:05:14 <ThomasWaldmann> but there it all began :)
80 2010-03-23T21:05:18 <valeuf> It is quite weird to be not able to put a face on the name ^ ^
81 2010-03-23T21:05:58 <ThomasWaldmann> some of us visit conferences, like europython or CCC
82 2010-03-23T21:05:59 <valeuf> I am traveling to germany quite regularly, I have some relative in the Ruhr and Hambourg
83 2010-03-23T21:07:31 <ThomasWaldmann> you're from france?
84 2010-03-23T21:07:37 <valeuf> yep
85 2010-03-23T21:08:02 <ThomasWaldmann> moin has a problem there, it sounds bad :D
86 2010-03-23T21:08:37 <valeuf> yes, it is quite fun, but curiously even do I like the name
87 2010-03-23T21:09:38 <valeuf> It sounds like a smiley - -
88 2010-03-23T21:09:38 <ThomasWaldmann> aside from docbook transformations, anything else interesting for you as a project?
89 2010-03-23T21:10:00 <valeuf> i18n looks really intersting to me
90 2010-03-23T21:10:44 <valeuf> especially I'd like to be able to have easily multilingual content in my wiki
91 2010-03-23T21:11:13 <valeuf> I had a look for the actual solution, but it was not really satisfying
92 2010-03-23T21:11:18 <ThomasWaldmann> also, please have a look at our past docbook stuff. there were some attempts to enhance moin for docbook export/import
93 2010-03-23T21:11:18 <valeuf> maybe I missed some documentation
94 2010-03-23T21:11:33 <valeuf> but many things was obscure
95 2010-03-23T21:11:48 <ThomasWaldmann> multilang done in a good way is complex
96 2010-03-23T21:12:01 <ThomasWaldmann> there is a page about it on the wiki
97 2010-03-23T21:12:03 <valeuf> I agree, I am just done with an internship
98 2010-03-23T21:12:13 <valeuf> I was working in a game studio
99 2010-03-23T21:12:21 <ThomasWaldmann> but please note that i18n != multilang
100 2010-03-23T21:13:10 <ThomasWaldmann> i18n as mentioned on the ideas page mostly means gettext support for multiple user interface languages at the same time (for different users)
101 2010-03-23T21:13:27 <valeuf> we firstly release a game without any multi-languages support, and then added the support for asian languages and some other western languages
102 2010-03-23T21:13:32 <ThomasWaldmann> the multilang wiki page is about CONTENT in multiple languages and how to do that
103 2010-03-23T21:14:02 <valeuf> it was really horrible to implement this, because we did not think about it well
104 2010-03-23T21:14:13 <valeuf> it has been one of the most ugly piece of cade I wrote I think
105 2010-03-23T21:14:28 <valeuf> Yep, I am confused, you mean i18n for the translation of the interface ?
106 2010-03-23T21:15:36 <ThomasWaldmann> i18n == gettext, po files, babel (maybe), glashammer has also a bit of i18n stuff
107 2010-03-23T21:16:02 <valeuf> I see
108 2010-03-23T21:16:21 <ThomasWaldmann> additionally, moin has some wiki markup in the original texts
109 2010-03-23T21:17:29 <valeuf> I saw that someone worked about real time editing in a previous SoC ?
110 2010-03-23T21:18:46 <valeuf> it seems to be not fully integrated in Moinmoin ?
111 2010-03-23T21:18:57 <ThomasWaldmann> no, not yet
112 2010-03-23T21:19:31 <valeuf> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage-editor-amartani/ ???
113 2010-03-23T21:19:41 <valeuf> description realtime editor (SOC 2009 project)
114 2010-03-23T21:19:43 <valeuf> ^ ^
115 2010-03-23T21:20:51 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i know what you mean
116 2010-03-23T21:21:32 <valeuf> but it seems not really active
117 2010-03-23T21:22:39 <valeuf> this is quite sad, this is a very attractive feature even if I do not see well how to achieve this correctly (maybe with google Web Toolkit ??)
118 2010-03-23T21:23:14 <valeuf> there was some initial requirements already done with this idea ?
119 2010-03-23T21:23:28 <ThomasWaldmann> it is based on mobwrite
120 2010-03-23T21:23:45 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm?
121 2010-03-23T21:23:54 * valeuf is googling on mob
122 2010-03-23T21:23:56 <valeuf> write
123 2010-03-23T21:24:29 <valeuf> ok, I thought you plane to develop a tool like mobwrite
124 2010-03-23T21:24:40 <valeuf> I did not know something like this exist
125 2010-03-23T21:26:38 <valeuf> mobwrite seems to be great, but this is not really cool to have such big dependency for a wiki
126 2010-03-23T21:27:46 <valeuf> I am sorry, I have to leave, but I will be back during the evening
127 2010-03-23T21:27:58 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, cu
128 2010-03-23T21:28:04 <valeuf> BTW, thanks for your tips, I am going to have a deeper look for all these things
129 2010-03-23T21:28:11 *** valeuf
130 2010-03-23T21:28:31 *** valeuf
131 2010-03-23T21:30:41 <dreimark> re
132 2010-03-23T22:25:05 <dreimark> gn
133 2010-03-23T23:17:57 *** valeuf_
134 2010-03-23T23:18:34 *** valeuf
135 2010-03-23T23:18:34 *** valeuf_
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