MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-03-30

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  11 2010-03-30T09:38:04  <valeuf> waldi: ping ?
  12 2010-03-30T09:41:10  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  13 2010-03-30T09:41:55  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: hello
  14 2010-03-30T09:53:51  <dreimark> moin
  15 2010-03-30T09:56:21  <fantasticsid> moin
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  18 2010-03-30T10:21:48  <DmitryAndreev> Hello. It's me.. again.)
  19 2010-03-30T10:21:54  <DmitryAndreev> what's the problem with i18n now? why "complete rewrite" task in GSoC project ideas?
  20 2010-03-30T10:25:35  <ThomasWaldmann> the current stuff has race conditions / is unreliable
  21 2010-03-30T10:26:32  <ThomasWaldmann> also, the 1.9 i18n stuff uses wiki parser/html formatter which are gone in moin2
  22 2010-03-30T10:27:15  <DmitryAndreev> so, moin needs dom based i18n?
  23 2010-03-30T10:27:26  <ThomasWaldmann> kind of
  24 2010-03-30T10:27:53  <ThomasWaldmann> part of that project is having a good idea about how to do that best
  25 2010-03-30T10:29:31  <DmitryAndreev> main part)
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  28 2010-03-30T11:11:02  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: you are keeping the macro system for moin2 isnt't it ?
  29 2010-03-30T11:13:00  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, there will be macros, but they'll have to work a bit differently, of course
  30 2010-03-30T11:13:29  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: wouldnt i18n fit a switch to jinja templates? or do you translate actual wikipages?
  31 2010-03-30T11:15:11  <ThomasWaldmann> i18n is used at misc places
  32 2010-03-30T11:15:22  <ThomasWaldmann> user interface (theme)
  33 2010-03-30T11:15:31  <ThomasWaldmann> output from actions, macros
  34 2010-03-30T11:16:01  <ThomasWaldmann> page name translations
  35 2010-03-30T12:10:21  <valeuf> Draft of my SoC application, with the MoinMoin template : http://wiki.valeuf.org/wiki.cgi/GSoC/MoinMoinApplication
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  37 2010-03-30T12:10:50  <valeuf> I am actually thinking about another project to use semantic web in MoinMoin, I am going to write another proposal for this
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  39 2010-03-30T12:11:06  <valeuf> feel you free to give me any feedback :)
  40 2010-03-30T12:11:24  <valeuf> (I will try to polish my English too !)
  41 2010-03-30T12:13:25  <valeuf> (I will naturally submit it through the official website once I am not considering it as a draft)
  42 2010-03-30T12:29:34  <ThomasWaldmann> semantic stuff might be a bit too high level for moin2 until the base work is not fully done
  43 2010-03-30T12:44:19  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: Ok I will maybe give up at this time so
  44 2010-03-30T12:44:28  <valeuf> AFK
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  50 2010-03-30T16:34:19  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I wonder if you breach the WTFPL licence if you do something you didn't really want
  51 2010-03-30T16:35:05  <ThomasWaldmann> lol
  52 2010-03-30T16:36:21  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, it's "gpl v2 or later" </nitpick>
  53 2010-03-30T16:36:54  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/BacktickFontImprovement < shall we do it like that? see my comment at bottom.
  54 2010-03-30T16:37:11  <ThomasWaldmann> I also wondered about why monospace looks so strange.
  55 2010-03-30T16:43:55  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: no
  56 2010-03-30T16:44:08  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it should use browser's default monospace font
  57 2010-03-30T16:44:33  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: in many browsers that font is by default set to 2 points smaller than other fonts -- it can be changed in settings
  58 2010-03-30T16:44:57  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you can also fix it with font-size: 100%
  59 2010-03-30T16:46:16  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, right, it is a setting, so we maybe shouldn't touch
  60 2010-03-30T16:46:34  <ThomasWaldmann> (i mean override) it
  61 2010-03-30T16:47:33  <TheSheep> eve nif it has stupid defaults?
  62 2010-03-30T16:48:11  <ThomasWaldmann> well, the problem is that if someone intentionally sets some specific size there and we override it...
  63 2010-03-30T16:48:43  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, why would one do that? X)
  64 2010-03-30T16:50:31  <TheSheep> goodbye sanity, welcome the web
  65 2010-03-30T16:58:07  <eSyr> hehe, i have proper default fonts and sizes set, for example :)
  66 2010-03-30T16:58:43  <TheSheep> eSyr: ever tried to do that in Opera?
  67 2010-03-30T16:58:48  <TheSheep> eSyr: takes whole day
  68 2010-03-30T17:01:06  <eSyr> TheSheep, i don't use opera :)
  69 2010-03-30T17:01:17  <eSyr> (and, links is great!)
  70 2010-03-30T17:01:20  <TheSheep> me neither
  71 2010-03-30T17:02:00  <TheSheep> but when you are dealing with making web applications, you get to know a lot of browsers that you don't use
  72 2010-03-30T17:02:05  <eSyr> well, i generally agree with Radomir — we should overwrite every default to make theme look the same with every default.
  73 2010-03-30T17:04:20  <TheSheep> that's not what I said
  74 2010-03-30T17:04:45  <eSyr> TheSheep, yes, it's not.
  75 2010-03-30T17:05:01  <eSyr> But it's better way than what you said from my point of view :)
  76 2010-03-30T17:05:42  <TheSheep> there are generally two approaches to styling a web page
  77 2010-03-30T17:05:52  <eSyr> yes.
  78 2010-03-30T17:06:03  <eSyr> based on user default and overriding all of them.
  79 2010-03-30T17:06:25  <TheSheep> if you aim for publishing your text, you just style it enough so it doesn't look horribly and has some character, and leave most everything to user's defaults in the browser
  80 2010-03-30T17:08:45  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, if recompile the only way to switch apache from mpm worker to mpm prefork?
  81 2010-03-30T17:09:14  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, is ...
  82 2010-03-30T17:10:46  <TheSheep> if you want to provide a full 'experience', then you override everything, add intrusive js, and pray your users are not using anything non-standard
  83 2010-03-30T17:11:21  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I think so
  84 2010-03-30T17:11:51  <TheSheep> anything in the middle is simply broken
  85 2010-03-30T17:12:22  * ThomasWaldmann has an apache module that is not threadsafe
  86 2010-03-30T17:13:40  <TheSheep> php?
  87 2010-03-30T17:13:54  <ThomasWaldmann> libapache2-mod-auth-kerb 5.3-5
  88 2010-03-30T17:13:55  <TheSheep> well, it's nothing to brag about
  89 2010-03-30T17:14:33  * ThomasWaldmann tries ThreadLimit
  90 2010-03-30T17:14:47  <ThomasWaldmann> because prefork seems not to be there
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  92 2010-03-30T17:39:43  <dreimark> bbl
  93 2010-03-30T17:46:32  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: did you think about just putting varnish in front?
  94 2010-03-30T17:46:47  <ThomasWaldmann> for what?
  95 2010-03-30T17:47:09  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: decreasing load and improving response time
  96 2010-03-30T17:47:22  <ThomasWaldmann> that's not a problem
  97 2010-03-30T17:47:31  <ThomasWaldmann> segfaults are the problem :)
  98 2010-03-30T17:48:20  <TheSheep> oh
  99 2010-03-30T17:48:55  <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann, run them in separate containers! :)
 100 2010-03-30T17:51:59  <ThomasWaldmann> if that doesn't work soon, I guess I have to try fixing that module
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 102 2010-03-30T19:16:50  <dreimark> http://meme.yahoo.com/erdem/p/JoeXbSs/
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 104 2010-03-30T19:23:48  * AshishG found the discussion on monospace font quite interesting
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 109 2010-03-30T22:20:00  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3893:6e603e5411ca 1.7/MoinMoin/action/Despam.py:
 110 2010-03-30T22:20:00  <CIA-55> fix XSS in Despam action (CVE-2010-0828) - thanks to Jamie Strandboge (Ubuntu) for fixing
 111 2010-03-30T22:20:00  <CIA-55> Bug-Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/bugs/538022
 112 2010-03-30T22:21:37  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4501:788131dd21c3 1.8/MoinMoin/action/Despam.py: merged moin/1.7
 113 2010-03-30T22:25:28  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5639:689e2b04bd4d 1.9/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merged moin/1.8
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