1 2010-04-10T00:08:07 *** amartani
2 2010-04-10T00:14:32 *** AshishG
3 2010-04-10T00:14:48 *** _buck
4 2010-04-10T01:00:38 *** eSyr
5 2010-04-10T01:06:23 *** AshishG
6 2010-04-10T01:42:13 *** AshishG
7 2010-04-10T03:47:43 <diofeher> any1 here?
8 2010-04-10T04:49:48 *** diofeher
9 2010-04-10T06:02:47 <ei-grad> moin
10 2010-04-10T07:00:44 *** _buck
11 2010-04-10T07:47:25 *** _buck
12 2010-04-10T08:22:37 *** _buck
13 2010-04-10T08:22:57 *** _buck
14 2010-04-10T08:23:35 *** _buck
15 2010-04-10T09:02:29 *** _buck
16 2010-04-10T09:17:33 *** _buck
17 2010-04-10T09:24:44 *** _buck
18 2010-04-10T09:39:24 *** _buck
19 2010-04-10T10:31:49 *** _buck
20 2010-04-10T10:48:10 <eSyr> hehe, only me has melange tables broken? /me browsing tables now with firebug and locationbar editing.
21 2010-04-10T11:04:32 *** franklin
22 2010-04-10T11:13:37 *** AshishG
23 2010-04-10T11:33:14 *** eSyr
24 2010-04-10T11:45:56 *** eSyr
25 2010-04-10T11:47:51 <ei-grad> eSyr: melange broken for me too
26 2010-04-10T11:48:15 * ei-grad browsing by links in history)
27 2010-04-10T11:50:44 *** ValentinJaniaut
28 2010-04-10T11:50:51 <eSyr> ei-grad, it is fixed already.
29 2010-04-10T11:51:17 <eSyr> they reverted back to old version at some point.
30 2010-04-10T11:52:34 *** ValentinJaniaut
31 2010-04-10T12:42:22 <dreimark> eSyr: i just wanted to become propsed too
32 2010-04-10T12:42:33 <dreimark> but that application did it wrong
33 2010-04-10T12:43:27 <dreimark> ah good. i can remove me, but not add me to possible
34 2010-04-10T12:44:41 <eSyr> dreimark, you mean, possible mentor?
35 2010-04-10T12:44:45 <dreimark> yes
36 2010-04-10T12:45:38 <eSyr> hm, strange.
37 2010-04-10T12:45:46 * eSyr checking
38 2010-04-10T12:45:51 <dreimark> no, it just sees my admin status
39 2010-04-10T12:46:05 <eSyr> oh.
40 2010-04-10T12:46:21 <dreimark> it looks like admins can't tell there interests that way
41 2010-04-10T12:46:50 <eSyr> hm, strange.
42 2010-04-10T12:47:20 <ValentinJaniaut> mentor should also apply of the GSoC website ?
43 2010-04-10T12:47:21 <dreimark> i think the interface at that position is fot giving the grant to a possible mentor for me
44 2010-04-10T12:47:29 <dreimark> s/fot/for/
45 2010-04-10T12:47:41 * dreimark uses for now the private comments
46 2010-04-10T12:48:56 <dreimark> hmm somehow it was possible for thomas
47 2010-04-10T12:50:38 *** ValentinJaniaut
48 2010-04-10T12:51:24 *** ValentinJaniaut
49 2010-04-10T13:10:37 <ei-grad> dreimark: how do you think, i should implement LDAPGroup in both Lazy and Greedy variants? what pitfalls may arise?
50 2010-04-10T13:11:45 <ei-grad> hm
51 2010-04-10T13:14:23 <ei-grad> for Lazy variant we should ignore nested groups if faced?
52 2010-04-10T13:15:40 <dreimark> ei-grad: you should not query the ldap server on each request
53 2010-04-10T13:16:16 <dreimark> and find an easy way to get that a member is in the group witho DoS of the ldap server
54 2010-04-10T13:17:04 <dreimark> curretnly i don't think we should ignore nested groups
55 2010-04-10T13:22:08 <ei-grad> it seems hard to DoS ldap server with one request per wiki request...) except that query is like (|(cn=Каф*)(cn=Kaf*)(cn=*Fac*)(cn=*Fak*)(cn=*Фак*)(cn=*Отдел*)(cn=*Otde*)(cn=*Dep*)(cn=*Центр*)(cn=*center*)(cn=*упра*)(cn=*рект*)(cn=*rect*)(cn=lab*)(cn=*Inst*)(cn=*Инст*)(cn=*Проект*)(cn=*систех*)(cn=systech)(cn=*project*)(cn=*Должно*)) :-)
56 2010-04-10T13:23:11 <ei-grad> but yes, i think Greedy variant will be better for now
57 2010-04-10T13:24:57 <ei-grad> s/think/agree/
58 2010-04-10T13:25:35 <eSyr> щикарно.
59 2010-04-10T13:26:39 <ei-grad> ?
60 2010-04-10T13:31:19 <dreimark> how long is the response if you try to figure one in 10K users or more?
61 2010-04-10T13:32:36 <dreimark> s/figure/found/
62 2010-04-10T13:35:44 <ei-grad> long, just thought that something's wrong here)
63 2010-04-10T13:39:59 <dreimark> bbl
64 2010-04-10T13:57:12 <ei-grad> dreimark: you mean a LDAP response? if so, it's immediatly... LDAP could easy handle hundreds of simple queries per second on even 100K records base... I thought that you're talking about the response of LDAPGroup if it is Greedy, and contains 10K users...
65 2010-04-10T14:01:42 <ei-grad> so it's normal to query LDAP on every web page request...
66 2010-04-10T14:21:58 <dreimark> good sorry for confusement
67 2010-04-10T14:25:43 <dreimark> ei-grad: for wiki groups we are able to see by the SystemAdmin do user browser who is in which group.
68 2010-04-10T14:26:32 <dreimark> if the groups are only managed by ldap can we also have something similiar to find out which group we need to add on a page
69 2010-04-10T14:26:35 <dreimark> for which user
70 2010-04-10T14:27:53 <dreimark> the one which adminstrate the wiki may not the same person than from the ldap
71 2010-04-10T14:30:45 *** _buck
72 2010-04-10T14:35:36 *** kursor
73 2010-04-10T14:38:35 <dreimark> bbl
74 2010-04-10T15:09:05 *** _buck
75 2010-04-10T15:13:00 <ei-grad> http://moinmo.in/Groups2009?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ldap_group2.patch hm...
76 2010-04-10T15:31:39 <ei-grad> it is like I imagined it to be... what is wrong there?
77 2010-04-10T15:54:19 *** diofeher
78 2010-04-10T16:02:46 *** _buck
79 2010-04-10T16:11:11 *** franklin
80 2010-04-10T16:17:50 *** franklin
81 2010-04-10T16:22:31 <xorAxAx> dreimark: when do you plan the preliminary mentor assignment? should be done till tomorrow
82 2010-04-10T16:22:41 *** franklin
83 2010-04-10T16:24:39 <diofeher> hi xorAxAx
84 2010-04-10T16:24:44 <diofeher> will you gonna be mentor too?
85 2010-04-10T16:25:15 <xorAxAx> diofeher: yes
86 2010-04-10T16:25:47 <diofeher> i didn't see your name at ideas page
87 2010-04-10T16:26:10 <xorAxAx> my name is on the mentors list page
88 2010-04-10T16:26:15 <xorAxAx> i didnt contribute ideas
89 2010-04-10T16:26:28 <xorAxAx> but i am willing to mentor nearly every proposal
90 2010-04-10T16:27:21 <xorAxAx> regarding the number of proposals:
91 2010-04-10T16:27:50 <xorAxAx> we had 11 submissions. one was withdrawn by the student
92 2010-04-10T16:28:13 <xorAxAx> 5 submissions are likely not to be accepted
93 2010-04-10T16:28:22 <xorAxAx> s/5/4/
94 2010-04-10T16:28:24 <diofeher> oh, that is mine?
95 2010-04-10T16:28:26 <diofeher> =(
96 2010-04-10T16:28:39 <xorAxAx> 1 application is not yet decided
97 2010-04-10T16:28:47 <xorAxAx> 5 applications look valid
98 2010-04-10T16:28:58 <diofeher> nice =D
99 2010-04-10T16:29:01 <xorAxAx> of the valid applications, we have one problem that was suggested twice
100 2010-04-10T16:29:22 <diofeher> i didn't see too many students here talking about the problem
101 2010-04-10T16:29:31 <ValentinJaniaut> xorAxAx: are you talking about student application or mentor application ?
102 2010-04-10T16:29:48 <diofeher> s/problem/problems
103 2010-04-10T16:29:50 <xorAxAx> dreimark: how do you plan to resolve that?
104 2010-04-10T16:29:55 <xorAxAx> ValentinJaniaut: student applications
105 2010-04-10T16:30:19 <diofeher> I thought that would have less applications
106 2010-04-10T16:31:19 <ValentinJaniaut> yep I am counting on the Project Ideas page for SoC 2010 I can only list 6 students ^ ^
107 2010-04-10T16:31:58 <xorAxAx> so if we do not solve the duplicate proposal problem, we have at most 5 slots to fill
108 2010-04-10T16:32:07 <xorAxAx> but likely we will get less slots
109 2010-04-10T16:35:13 <eSyr> xorAxAx, thanks to you now we have one leading proposal :)
110 2010-04-10T16:35:52 <xorAxAx> eSyr: good guess :)
111 2010-04-10T16:37:10 <diofeher> we can know what applications are going to be choosed?
112 2010-04-10T16:38:32 <eSyr> diofeher, i think we ourselves not sure yet :)
113 2010-04-10T16:38:57 <diofeher> eSyr: i mean... xoraxax said that 5 applications look valid
114 2010-04-10T16:39:02 <diofeher> can we know which?
115 2010-04-10T16:39:09 <eSyr> hm.
116 2010-04-10T16:39:29 <eSyr> Thomas said that he sees nothing againgst it, but i think it's better he published it himself.
117 2010-04-10T16:39:50 <diofeher> wake up Thomas!
118 2010-04-10T16:39:53 <diofeher> hehehe
119 2010-04-10T16:40:05 <diofeher> ok eSyr thanks for the information
120 2010-04-10T16:40:11 <eSyr> you're welcome.
121 2010-04-10T16:40:41 <ValentinJaniaut> well I think it is better to wait official answer from google, since it can give some problem to moinmoin community
122 2010-04-10T16:41:21 <diofeher> may be...
123 2010-04-10T16:41:25 <ValentinJaniaut> it seems that the process to allocate slots to different organization is a little bit complicate ^ ^
124 2010-04-10T16:41:48 <ValentinJaniaut> diofeher: let's learn with me to be patient ^ ^
125 2010-04-10T16:43:02 <diofeher> ValentinJaniaut: hehe i'm anxious p
126 2010-04-10T16:43:04 <diofeher> =p
127 2010-04-10T16:43:11 <xorAxAx> well, we may not give more details regarding the applications
128 2010-04-10T16:43:20 <diofeher> ok!
129 2010-04-10T16:43:27 <xorAxAx> but if the mentors started asking you questions in the comments, then your application is likely valid
130 2010-04-10T16:43:35 <xorAxAx> otherwise it wouldnt make a lot of sense :)
131 2010-04-10T16:43:58 <diofeher> oh, good to know about this!
132 2010-04-10T17:02:55 <ei-grad> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/199998/ is that will be accepted?
133 2010-04-10T17:03:09 <ei-grad> sorry for my english...)
134 2010-04-10T17:04:24 <ei-grad> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: ^
135 2010-04-10T17:11:48 <ei-grad> what can i improve? is there anything wrong? any comments?
136 2010-04-10T17:12:02 <ValentinJaniaut> ei-grad: are still trying to apply for SoC ?
137 2010-04-10T17:13:08 <diofeher> ei-grad: you would have send for the melange application
138 2010-04-10T17:15:21 <ei-grad> ValentinJaniaut: yeah, last chance... i have one another proposal, for linux foundation, but there is no mentor interested in my idea... and some people promise to kill me if I implement that idea ))
139 2010-04-10T17:20:44 <diofeher> ish :/
140 2010-04-10T17:22:22 <eSyr> ei-grad, which idea?
141 2010-04-10T17:22:28 <eSyr> another selinux replacement?
142 2010-04-10T17:22:56 <ei-grad> about conntrack and its netlink interface
143 2010-04-10T17:23:42 <eSyr> hm.
144 2010-04-10T17:25:11 *** _buck
145 2010-04-10T17:44:07 <dreimark> re
146 2010-04-10T17:44:19 * dreimark looks at the status
147 2010-04-10T17:55:03 <dreimark> xorAxAx: that application didn't let me choose myself "possible mentor" if i select me I become the mentor, thats why I used the private comment (I didn't want to hijack)
148 2010-04-10T17:56:01 <xorAxAx> dreimark: thats weird
149 2010-04-10T17:56:17 <xorAxAx> dreimark: but who is the other potential mentor?
150 2010-04-10T17:56:21 <dreimark> eSyr:
151 2010-04-10T17:57:05 <xorAxAx> no, he is not listed
152 2010-04-10T17:57:45 <dreimark> he was at the time i found that problem
153 2010-04-10T17:58:09 <xorAxAx> ah, ok
154 2010-04-10T17:58:25 <xorAxAx> well, then thomas would have to assign you
155 2010-04-10T17:58:46 <eSyr> i thought that may be problem and have removed mentorship, but then noticed that xorAxAx already added himself as potential mentor.
156 2010-04-10T17:59:00 <xorAxAx> eSyr: there can be multiple potential mentors
157 2010-04-10T17:59:32 <xorAxAx> eSyr: so add yourself again :)
158 2010-04-10T17:59:40 <eSyr> :)
159 2010-04-10T17:59:58 <dreimark> TheSheep: ping
160 2010-04-10T18:00:50 <TheSheep> pong
161 2010-04-10T18:01:20 <dreimark> please look at the proposals and add your comments and points
162 2010-04-10T18:01:29 <TheSheep> ah, ok
163 2010-04-10T18:13:56 <dreimark> waldi: please review student proposals and add your comments and points (interests)
164 2010-04-10T18:31:27 <AshishG> i don't think i see comments on my application after the deadline. that's bad news for me :(
165 2010-04-10T18:33:06 <eSyr> hehe.
166 2010-04-10T18:33:14 <dreimark> noone sees mentors private comments
167 2010-04-10T18:33:23 <eSyr> you see not all comments.
168 2010-04-10T18:34:35 <AshishG> oh! i feel like living again ;)
169 2010-04-10T18:38:58 <dreimark> TheSheep: i heard about that in the radio http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/04/10/2010-04-10_polish_president_lech_kaczynski_killed_at_60_in_plane_crash_rose_from_child_acto.html
170 2010-04-10T18:40:20 <eSyr> Bad story.
171 2010-04-10T18:40:46 <ei-grad> really
172 2010-04-10T18:40:52 <dreimark> very bad and a bit unbelievable all together at one aircraft
173 2010-04-10T18:42:26 <eSyr> well, there are too many coincidents to make any definitive statements.
174 2010-04-10T18:43:08 <diofeher> sad sotry :/
175 2010-04-10T18:43:14 <diofeher> s/sotry/story
176 2010-04-10T18:48:03 * AshishG is thinking that there are certain joint events in life which have a very minimal probability (but some probability none-the-less), but if such an event takes places in your life the probability is one.
177 2010-04-10T18:48:49 <waldi> dreimark: yep
178 2010-04-10T19:29:30 * dreimark found a new button but also i see an unknown name in the mentor list
179 2010-04-10T19:34:34 <TheSheep> dreimark: especially since there was a similar crash a year ago with all the best polish pilots coming back from some conference
180 2010-04-10T19:44:35 <dreimark> outch
181 2010-04-10T20:01:02 <diofeher> goodbye all =)
182 2010-04-10T20:01:04 *** diofeher
183 2010-04-10T20:05:42 *** _buck
184 2010-04-10T20:15:29 *** tpfennig
185 2010-04-10T20:17:57 *** tpfennig
186 2010-04-10T20:19:49 *** ritinardo
187 2010-04-10T20:23:41 *** ritinardo
188 2010-04-10T20:24:04 *** ritinardo
189 2010-04-10T20:48:02 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ping
190 2010-04-10T20:55:21 *** _buck
191 2010-04-10T20:59:47 *** _buck
192 2010-04-10T21:02:50 <dreimark> ei-grad: can you add that to the comment section please
193 2010-04-10T21:03:09 *** ritinardo_
194 2010-04-10T21:03:15 <dreimark> the pastebin 199998
195 2010-04-10T21:06:18 *** ritinardo
196 2010-04-10T21:09:32 <ei-grad> dreimark: already done...
197 2010-04-10T21:09:51 * dreimark wonders that i haven't seen it
198 2010-04-10T21:09:55 <dreimark> looks again
199 2010-04-10T21:11:46 <dreimark> ei-grad: ok, refresh helped me
200 2010-04-10T21:16:04 * dreimark is assigning mentors to make the dupechecker work (this is NOT final)
201 2010-04-10T21:16:47 <dreimark> xorAxAx: eSyr waldi can you set a comment on a proposal you most like to do.
202 2010-04-10T21:17:26 <xorAxAx> assign me to any, i havent decided yet
203 2010-04-10T21:18:19 <dreimark> ok
204 2010-04-10T21:27:34 *** kursor
205 2010-04-10T21:40:00 <_buck> dreimark: thanks for the review. But in it you told about testing while coding, I think I had included that point in the proposal.
206 2010-04-10T21:41:57 <dreimark> help me with your name, i am currently multi ircing
207 2010-04-10T21:42:14 <_buck> Oh Ashish Sharma
208 2010-04-10T21:46:18 <dreimark> yes but you did it at step 6.
209 2010-04-10T21:46:33 <dreimark> testdriven development means doing the test first
210 2010-04-10T21:46:50 *** ritinardo_
211 2010-04-10T21:47:00 <dreimark> _buck: it does not mean some we4eks later
212 2010-04-10T21:47:38 <_buck> no Ichanged my proposal after Eugene Syromyatnikov.
213 2010-04-10T21:47:43 <_buck> He pointed out same thing
214 2010-04-10T21:48:07 <_buck> So I kept last days for finalising everything
215 2010-04-10T21:48:19 <dreimark> ah ok, me was looking at my comment and there was no reply
216 2010-04-10T21:48:36 <dreimark> we don't have that diff mode in melange as in moin
217 2010-04-10T21:48:54 <_buck> oh :) moin's better.
218 2010-04-10T21:51:13 <_buck> thanks
219 2010-04-10T21:51:14 * _buck is going to have something to eat.
220 2010-04-10T21:51:22 <AshishG> what would be a better way to browser a SVN repo on Windows than using the browser?
221 2010-04-10T21:51:24 <dreimark> bon appetite
222 2010-04-10T21:51:45 <dreimark> converting it to mercurial and tortoise
223 2010-04-10T21:51:56 <dreimark> AshishG: do you have seen my question?
224 2010-04-10T21:52:28 <AshishG> i don't think i had an email notification after the question about i having experience with reST
225 2010-04-10T21:52:34 <AshishG> that one i did answer in comments
226 2010-04-10T21:52:59 * dreimark didn't get a notification yet - looks
227 2010-04-10T21:58:47 <dreimark> AshishG: ok
228 2010-04-10T22:00:34 * dreimark preliminary ranking and assignment finished
229 2010-04-10T22:10:07 <dreimark> ei-grad: i18n has also open questions
230 2010-04-10T22:20:07 <ei-grad> dreimark: i added some details, after Thomas asked that question, and notified him in irc about that... his reaction was 'yeah, "own ideas" :)'... you think I should try to answer with more details? or just I should add a short comment to close the question?
231 2010-04-10T22:21:06 <dreimark> at least add a comment
232 2010-04-10T22:35:07 *** _buck
233 2010-04-10T22:41:22 * AshishG has to leave, wished everyone gn
234 2010-04-10T22:41:56 <AshishG> s/wished/wishes
235 2010-04-10T22:43:27 <dreimark> gn AshishG
236 2010-04-10T22:43:44 *** AshishG
237 2010-04-10T22:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> re
238 2010-04-10T22:44:36 <dreimark> wb ThomasWaldmann
239 2010-04-10T22:55:36 *** ritinardo
240 2010-04-10T23:12:12 *** _buck
241 2010-04-10T23:13:18 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, it is completely irrelevant who decided first to mentor something
242 2010-04-10T23:13:53 <ThomasWaldmann> the student should get best mentor, not first
243 2010-04-10T23:14:29 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: sure
244 2010-04-10T23:15:16 <dreimark> the question may become because i have had missed or it wasn't there the "i am willing to mentor" button
245 2010-04-10T23:15:37 <dreimark> all assignments are prelimiary
246 2010-04-10T23:15:46 <dreimark> and everyone can ranl
247 2010-04-10T23:15:52 <dreimark> s/ranl/rank/
248 2010-04-10T23:16:11 <dreimark> or can tell it is wrong i want better mentor "something else"
249 2010-04-10T23:17:43 <dreimark> meanwhile i have found the bug esyr has introduced by setting up his name
250 2010-04-10T23:24:44 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: the i18n stuff uses global variables and has race conditions
251 2010-04-10T23:25:34 <ThomasWaldmann> see the bug reports relating to the global being None
252 2010-04-10T23:47:41 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i would like if mentors do their scoring based on some scheme common for all students
253 2010-04-10T23:49:33 * dreimark had scored for moin-2.0 essential feature 4 points. fearture 2 points and other feature 1 point
254 2010-04-10T23:52:46 <ThomasWaldmann> the score should be primarily based on our expectation of the outcome of specific student doing the project
255 2010-04-10T23:53:53 <ThomasWaldmann> (and only secondary on how important project is - it doesn't help much if we have an important project been done by a student not good enough at it)
256 2010-04-10T23:55:32 * dreimark agrees my ranking was just for the separation from the -1 projects
257 2010-04-10T23:56:29 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we still need a 2nd coding task - anybody wanting to work on that?
258 2010-04-10T23:56:41 <ThomasWaldmann> for the student coding test
