1 2010-12-05T00:03:20 *** vpv
2 2010-12-05T00:03:36 *** vpv
3 2010-12-05T00:04:44 *** rfw
4 2010-12-05T00:06:47 *** achshar
5 2010-12-05T00:09:54 <ThomasWaldmann> hi achshar
6 2010-12-05T00:10:49 <achshar> hello
7 2010-12-05T00:11:14 <achshar> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Markup%20for%20Colour/submission#preview i hae replied to your comments :D
8 2010-12-05T00:11:49 <achshar> and apologies.. i am terible at spelling, but i hae corrected as much as i could find
9 2010-12-05T00:14:04 <achshar> :-[
10 2010-12-05T00:14:16 *** achshar
11 2010-12-05T00:14:35 *** achshar
12 2010-12-05T00:16:10 <achshar> also i couldnt help but notice that the captcha is gone! i dont need to fill then anymore..
13 2010-12-05T00:16:38 *** moin2
14 2010-12-05T00:18:33 *** rfw
15 2010-12-05T00:19:37 <achshar> should i submit it again at the task page?
16 2010-12-05T00:25:18 <achshar> i am afraid, its almost morning over here and i work only at night so will catch up 8-10 hours from now
17 2010-12-05T00:27:05 *** achshar
18 2010-12-05T00:28:09 <m4k3r> ThomasWaldmann: flask.current_app is a flask.flask instance, right=
19 2010-12-05T00:28:20 <m4k3r> s/=/?/
20 2010-12-05T00:28:47 *** moin2
21 2010-12-05T00:28:55 <moin2> i need help with html indentation
22 2010-12-05T00:33:07 *** rfw
23 2010-12-05T00:33:07 *** rfw
24 2010-12-05T00:38:21 <moin2> is anyone there?
25 2010-12-05T00:39:40 *** rfw
26 2010-12-05T00:44:19 <moin2> hello
27 2010-12-05T00:44:54 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2: if you just ask directly what you want to know, you have a better chance to get quicker response
28 2010-12-05T00:45:39 <ThomasWaldmann> m4k3r: use the source, luke :)
29 2010-12-05T00:46:04 <moin2> ok, yesterday i showed you the indentation on the template, but i you said it was inconsistent, which i don't understand
30 2010-12-05T00:46:27 <moin2> it is at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300437/
31 2010-12-05T00:47:10 *** rfw
32 2010-12-05T00:47:10 *** rfw
33 2010-12-05T00:49:53 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2: 10 is indented, 14 not
34 2010-12-05T00:49:55 *** m4k3r
35 2010-12-05T00:50:23 <moin2> the pastebin is not showing it the way it is in my ide
36 2010-12-05T00:50:38 <ThomasWaldmann> also, you are indenting too much. this is either a tab or 8 spaces.
37 2010-12-05T00:51:13 <ThomasWaldmann> tabs are no good because everyone might have different tab settings, also they don't mix well with spaces.
38 2010-12-05T00:51:34 <ThomasWaldmann> in python, you usually indent 4 spaces per level
39 2010-12-05T00:51:53 <ThomasWaldmann> for the templates just have a look at the existing stuff
40 2010-12-05T00:55:48 <moin2> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300452/ ?
41 2010-12-05T00:59:26 <ThomasWaldmann> better
42 2010-12-05T00:59:46 <moin2> what else to do on it?
43 2010-12-05T01:00:23 <ThomasWaldmann> have you read all comments already given on irc or melange?
44 2010-12-05T01:00:32 <ThomasWaldmann> and solved them?
45 2010-12-05T01:00:39 <moin2> yes
46 2010-12-05T01:00:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then show a complete diff
47 2010-12-05T01:01:23 <moin2> can you verify my commenting on: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300475/ ?
48 2010-12-05T01:02:09 <ThomasWaldmann> {{':' }} (same for , ) - why do you use {{}} there?
49 2010-12-05T01:02:44 <moin2> to print a ":", you said not to use nobr, so i used that instead
50 2010-12-05T01:03:03 <ThomasWaldmann> you likely can merge line 19 and 20 into one line
51 2010-12-05T01:03:38 <moin2> done
52 2010-12-05T01:03:48 <ThomasWaldmann> 19 previously*
53 2010-12-05T01:04:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, no
54 2010-12-05T01:04:44 <moin2> no what?
55 2010-12-05T01:04:45 * ThomasWaldmann is unsure, maybe use "previously wanted item"
56 2010-12-05T01:05:24 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, why are you not showing a complete diff?
57 2010-12-05T01:05:47 <moin2> is that just hg diff in command line?
58 2010-12-05T01:05:57 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
59 2010-12-05T01:06:04 <moin2> put it in melange
60 2010-12-05T01:06:08 <moin2> or in pastebin
61 2010-12-05T01:06:17 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have "pastebinit" command installed, you can even do "hg diff|pastebinit"
62 2010-12-05T01:06:32 <ThomasWaldmann> pastebin please
63 2010-12-05T01:06:56 *** GCIBot
64 2010-12-05T01:08:10 <moin2> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300483/
65 2010-12-05T01:09:45 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did you practically try your code/templates?
66 2010-12-05T01:11:09 <moin2> i did up to the when i was make modifications to the program, but haven't since i've only been making formatting changes
67 2010-12-05T01:11:51 <ThomasWaldmann> make sure you do it before your next work submission
68 2010-12-05T01:12:14 <moin2> ok
69 2010-12-05T01:12:20 <moin2> so how does it look?
70 2010-12-05T01:12:33 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2: what has {{}} to do with nobr?
71 2010-12-05T01:13:30 <moin2> it is a print statement isnt' it?
72 2010-12-05T01:13:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you didn't add the code to put it into the menu (although i have pointed you twice at that)
73 2010-12-05T01:14:54 <ThomasWaldmann> {{ }} is usually used to contain some expression, but you have just a string there, so why not just have that string directly?
74 2010-12-05T01:15:47 <ThomasWaldmann> you could just end line 50 with :
75 2010-12-05T01:17:20 <ThomasWaldmann> for 55, instead of just a comma, you may want to use comma+space
76 2010-12-05T01:18:54 <moin2> where can i find the code for putting it in the menu for the orphans?
77 2010-12-05T01:20:20 <moin2> do i modify robots() function
78 2010-12-05T01:20:36 <ThomasWaldmann> one of my latest commits to moin/2.0-dev does it for orphans
79 2010-12-05T01:21:07 <moin2> is it disallow: frontend route in the robots function
80 2010-12-05T01:21:25 <ThomasWaldmann> just read my changeset
81 2010-12-05T01:27:37 <moin2> that is done, do you want another full diff?
82 2010-12-05T01:28:36 <ThomasWaldmann> you did ALL changes?
83 2010-12-05T01:29:23 <moin2> there were 2 changes in init_py and there was only 1 changeset, correct
84 2010-12-05T01:29:27 <moin2> ?
85 2010-12-05T01:31:20 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean did you do all the changes we talked about
86 2010-12-05T01:31:45 <moin2> yes
87 2010-12-05T01:31:49 * ThomasWaldmann might get bored at some time if he has to talk about the same stuff over and over again
88 2010-12-05T01:32:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, paste a full diff
89 2010-12-05T01:35:32 <moin2> just a sec
90 2010-12-05T01:38:06 <moin2> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300499/
91 2010-12-05T01:40:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks good
92 2010-12-05T01:40:08 <ThomasWaldmann> you tried it?
93 2010-12-05T01:40:26 <moin2> yes
94 2010-12-05T01:41:47 <moin2> to melange?
95 2010-12-05T01:41:48 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
96 2010-12-05T01:41:53 * ThomasWaldmann tries it also
97 2010-12-05T01:42:58 <ThomasWaldmann> $ patch -p1 < moin2
98 2010-12-05T01:42:59 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/apps/frontend/views.py
99 2010-12-05T01:42:59 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/themes/__init__.py
100 2010-12-05T01:42:59 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/templates/wanteds.html
101 2010-12-05T01:42:59 <ThomasWaldmann> patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
102 2010-12-05T01:43:01 <ThomasWaldmann> patch: **** malformed patch at line 79:
103 2010-12-05T01:43:35 <moin2> what happened?
104 2010-12-05T01:44:04 <ThomasWaldmann> i just tried to patch using your diff
105 2010-12-05T01:44:10 <ThomasWaldmann> why is there --git?
106 2010-12-05T01:44:22 <moin2> i used view file status
107 2010-12-05T01:44:30 <moin2> not hg diff, sorry?
108 2010-12-05T01:45:06 <moin2> do i need to change that and also do i need to change to unix line endings?
109 2010-12-05T01:45:07 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, while working on this, did you do any commit yet to your local repo?
110 2010-12-05T01:45:19 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, unix please
111 2010-12-05T01:45:54 <moin2> no
112 2010-12-05T01:46:39 <moin2> do i need to use hg diff or is the --git fine
113 2010-12-05T01:47:40 <ThomasWaldmann> hg diff
114 2010-12-05T01:48:34 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, when doing normal development, one usually commits now and then after reaching some specific goal
115 2010-12-05T01:49:15 <moin2> what does that to do, update the repository to my changes? but wouldn't that affect the changeset?
116 2010-12-05T01:51:36 <ThomasWaldmann> well,over time your would have mutiple changesets then that represent your work
117 2010-12-05T01:52:32 <ThomasWaldmann> it is small incremental improvements vs. working a long time without revision control on one big change
118 2010-12-05T01:53:34 <moin2> many things to learn
119 2010-12-05T01:53:58 <moin2> try this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300513/
120 2010-12-05T01:55:07 <ThomasWaldmann> look at line 87 88
121 2010-12-05T01:55:25 <ThomasWaldmann> looks broken
122 2010-12-05T01:56:55 <moin2> it's because it did hg diff out of command line
123 2010-12-05T01:57:28 <moin2> so my lines broke
124 2010-12-05T01:57:48 <moin2> i'' fix it
125 2010-12-05T02:00:47 <moin2> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300524/
126 2010-12-05T02:02:00 *** moin2
127 2010-12-05T02:02:19 *** moin9
128 2010-12-05T02:02:23 *** moin9
129 2010-12-05T02:02:30 <moin2> sorry, back
130 2010-12-05T02:05:34 <ThomasWaldmann> $ patch -p1 < moin3
131 2010-12-05T02:05:34 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/apps/frontend/views.py
132 2010-12-05T02:05:34 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/templates/wanteds.html
133 2010-12-05T02:05:34 <ThomasWaldmann> patching file MoinMoin/themes/__init__.py
134 2010-12-05T02:05:34 <ThomasWaldmann> patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
135 2010-12-05T02:05:37 <ThomasWaldmann> Hunk #1 succeeded at 338 with fuzz 1.
136 2010-12-05T02:06:09 <moin2> so there's a problem in _init_.py
137 2010-12-05T02:07:28 <Kapace_> ThomasWaldmann: in test_html_out:249, test_unknown converts an page:unknown which i guess is supposed to raise an ElementException
138 2010-12-05T02:07:46 <Kapace_> my question is, which tags are valid and which some raise the execption
139 2010-12-05T02:11:14 <ThomasWaldmann> Kapace_: ask waldi or valeuf
140 2010-12-05T02:11:28 <moin2> did i code something wrong there?
141 2010-12-05T02:11:58 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2: the content of your pastebin is not a valid diff somehow
142 2010-12-05T02:12:27 <ThomasWaldmann> usually one just applies the output of hg diff and there are no issues
143 2010-12-05T02:12:36 <moin2> it's only messing up in the last segment, the init_py right?
144 2010-12-05T02:12:41 <ThomasWaldmann> no idea why your stuff is causing issues
145 2010-12-05T02:12:47 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like
146 2010-12-05T02:13:45 <moin2> can you first merge the first 2 sections, and we'll look at the last section on its own?
147 2010-12-05T02:15:05 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2: it is a linefeed at the end of the file that is missing
148 2010-12-05T02:15:21 <ThomasWaldmann> why is it missing?
149 2010-12-05T02:16:05 <moin2> do i just hit enter at the end?
150 2010-12-05T02:18:08 <ThomasWaldmann> you usually just use the output of hg diff as is
151 2010-12-05T02:18:21 <ThomasWaldmann> and that should have the linefeed at the end
152 2010-12-05T02:18:43 <ThomasWaldmann> 1. Item: moin , creole
153 2010-12-05T02:18:56 <ThomasWaldmann> this is how your output looks
154 2010-12-05T02:18:58 <moin2> it did, i did not think it was important enough to copy it
155 2010-12-05T02:19:19 <moin2> why does it matter though?
156 2010-12-05T02:19:28 <ThomasWaldmann> if you modify output, you have to expect problems
157 2010-12-05T02:21:56 <moin2> is it the output not working correctly?
158 2010-12-05T02:22:25 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did you configure your name/email in global settings of hg / tortoisehg?
159 2010-12-05T02:22:42 <ThomasWaldmann> it will use it when you commit your changes
160 2010-12-05T02:23:09 <ThomasWaldmann> if you do commit your changes to your local repo, you could export a complete changeset
161 2010-12-05T02:23:32 <ThomasWaldmann> thas is like a diff + metadata (who committed it, when, what commit comment)
162 2010-12-05T02:23:45 <ThomasWaldmann> and it can be imported into a repo again
163 2010-12-05T02:24:15 <moin2> i put my name and email in the username in commit, is it supposed to show up in the changeset
164 2010-12-05T02:24:57 <moin2> so you want me to commit it?
165 2010-12-05T02:26:09 <ThomasWaldmann> if i import your changeset into moin repo, your changeset will become part of moin's history
166 2010-12-05T02:26:20 <ThomasWaldmann> including your name and commit comment
167 2010-12-05T02:26:27 <ThomasWaldmann> so, be careful :)
168 2010-12-05T02:26:43 <ThomasWaldmann> alternatively, i can commit your stuff
169 2010-12-05T02:27:33 <moin2> i am confused, what are you asking me to do?
170 2010-12-05T02:28:48 <ThomasWaldmann> you can choose to either create and submit an exported changeset from your repo
171 2010-12-05T02:29:02 <ThomasWaldmann> or i can commit it for you
172 2010-12-05T02:29:19 <moin2> i''l let you commit it
173 2010-12-05T02:32:14 <moin2> the last line is not showing up in pastebin or in my text file
174 2010-12-05T02:35:22 <ThomasWaldmann> shall i refer to your full name or short name?
175 2010-12-05T02:36:50 <moin2> full is not a problem
176 2010-12-05T02:37:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
177 2010-12-05T02:38:23 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10127:e8f6d6f38ee0 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Wanted Items implementation (thanks to rahul rajavel, GCI 2010)
178 2010-12-05T02:38:51 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/rev/e8f6d6f38ee0 you can use this url as your submitted work's url for melange
179 2010-12-05T02:39:58 <moin2> do i need a seperate file as well?
180 2010-12-05T02:40:43 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't think so.
181 2010-12-05T02:40:58 <ThomasWaldmann> it is now in the official repo and won't go away :)
182 2010-12-05T02:42:23 <moin2> when i submitted, it submitted an old changeset.txt as the file
183 2010-12-05T02:45:53 <moin2> ok, everything is submitted
184 2010-12-05T02:47:13 <moin2> thank you very much to you and dreimark for your time and help!
185 2010-12-05T02:48:48 <ThomasWaldmann> yw :)
186 2010-12-05T02:49:16 <ThomasWaldmann> guess first one is always the hardest one
187 2010-12-05T02:49:56 <moin2> yes, but i learned a lot in the end :)
188 2010-12-05T02:50:09 <ThomasWaldmann> that's the goal of gci :)
189 2010-12-05T02:53:15 <moin2> indeed
190 2010-12-05T02:54:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, dreimark added some new task ideas today to EasyToDo
191 2010-12-05T02:55:32 <ThomasWaldmann> about transcluded items and wanted items, orphaned items functionality
192 2010-12-05T02:55:46 <moin2> i will look at them, right now i was interested in one for kde
193 2010-12-05T02:56:05 <ThomasWaldmann> while the first task is maybe a bit too hard, you could maybe do the follow up tasks
194 2010-12-05T02:56:07 <moin2> i want to look at a variety at first
195 2010-12-05T02:56:49 <ThomasWaldmann> sure, just wanted to note that these are quite similar
196 2010-12-05T02:57:04 <ThomasWaldmann> one will be even about extending YOUR code :)
197 2010-12-05T02:57:12 <moin2> i'm not interested really in winning, not this year
198 2010-12-05T02:57:20 <moin2> what is the extension?
199 2010-12-05T02:58:19 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/EasyToDo?action=diff&rev2=234&rev1=232
200 2010-12-05T03:03:05 <moin2> hmm, interesting
201 2010-12-05T03:03:26 <moin2> will you still be giving tasks like this after gci is over?
202 2010-12-05T03:04:35 <ThomasWaldmann> you can always contribute to open source projects. if you don't find easy tasks, you can always ask.
203 2010-12-05T03:08:26 <moin2> ok, i have to go, i'm sure we will work together again, bye
204 2010-12-05T03:08:41 <ThomasWaldmann> cu
205 2010-12-05T03:08:57 *** moin2
206 2010-12-05T03:16:38 *** ronny
207 2010-12-05T03:42:31 <CIA-62> pavel_vinogradov default * 5744:50b3926c8880 1.9/MoinMoin/_tests/test_user.py: Fix py.test.skip message in test_auth_with_des_stored_password test.
208 2010-12-05T03:42:33 <CIA-62> pavel_vinogradov default * 5745:9135c31be7a6 1.9/MoinMoin/_tests/test_user.py: Fix grammar in comments
209 2010-12-05T03:42:36 <CIA-62> pavel_vinogradov default * 5746:ff282aaf7912 1.9/MoinMoin/_tests/test_user.py: Replace test password hashes (for APR1 and DES) with htpasswd generated
210 2010-12-05T03:42:38 <CIA-62> pavel_vinogradov default * 5747:783ef0975edb 1.9/MoinMoin/_tests/test_user.py: Fix in comment: htpassword command line argument for DES password generation
211 2010-12-05T03:48:19 <ThomasWaldmann> pvinogradov: ^^
212 2010-12-05T04:11:58 *** nickr5
213 2010-12-05T04:13:28 *** jbills
214 2010-12-05T06:26:06 <Kapace_> I have a patch to fix two tests test_html_out, and test_smiley (except for test_html_out's test_unknown, I just worked around it for now) http://dpaste.org/yxNa/
215 2010-12-05T06:26:46 <Kapace_> I've pinged valeuf and waldi, but I haven't seen them yet
216 2010-12-05T07:36:24 *** kursor
217 2010-12-05T08:02:10 *** m4k3r
218 2010-12-05T09:07:34 *** achshar
219 2010-12-05T09:07:45 <achshar> hello
220 2010-12-05T09:08:31 <achshar> i couldnt quiet understand the last comment at my task
221 2010-12-05T09:10:25 *** m4k3r
222 2010-12-05T09:14:03 <achshar> =-O
223 2010-12-05T09:26:33 <achshar> hello?
224 2010-12-05T09:31:35 *** achshar
225 2010-12-05T09:32:32 *** achshar
226 2010-12-05T09:34:22 <dreimark> moin
227 2010-12-05T09:34:43 <dreimark> achshar: i have added you to the valid group so you don't get the captcha
228 2010-12-05T09:34:52 <achshar> oh ;)
229 2010-12-05T09:35:36 <achshar> so can you help me understand Thomas's last comment at my task?
230 2010-12-05T09:37:31 <achshar> he seems to be online but maybe not on his desk
231 2010-12-05T09:45:56 <dreimark> achshar: url
232 2010-12-05T09:46:04 <achshar> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037964841
233 2010-12-05T09:48:29 <dreimark> achshar: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnTables
234 2010-12-05T09:49:29 <dreimark> compare your solution to the synax for styling there
235 2010-12-05T09:58:36 <achshar> hmm well i believe any of my recomendation does not conflict with any of these
236 2010-12-05T10:00:43 <achshar> so what exactly do i have to do now to complete the task?
237 2010-12-05T10:04:01 *** achshar
238 2010-12-05T10:04:49 *** achshar
239 2010-12-05T10:05:23 <dreimark> achshar: can it be handled by < syntax > similiar to the one used for tables ?
240 2010-12-05T10:07:33 <dreimark> i think thomas wants you to review if the given markup can be used
241 2010-12-05T10:09:42 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: you are right about orphans and transcludes - me missed that case
242 2010-12-05T10:11:02 <achshar> ohkzz well yes you can use it that way but the task was to find a simple solution and < takes two button presses (shift + ,) where as [ takes only one
243 2010-12-05T10:11:36 <achshar> but it would be better to seperate the style syntax from the block leve ones :)
244 2010-12-05T10:12:36 <achshar> but if you wish i could do it that way coz you are the ones who have to impliment it
245 2010-12-05T10:15:01 <dreimark> achshar: you have a different keyboard than me or others. we should not count that.
246 2010-12-05T10:15:27 <dreimark> please answer thomas questions on melange
247 2010-12-05T10:16:38 *** rfw
248 2010-12-05T10:17:27 <achshar> :O alright :)
249 2010-12-05T10:52:57 <achshar> i have added the comment, should i submit for review too or will that do?
250 2010-12-05T11:04:06 *** kursor
251 2010-12-05T11:49:44 <dreimark> achshar: we can only accept after review
252 2010-12-05T12:03:49 *** greg_f
253 2010-12-05T12:04:59 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
254 2010-12-05T12:13:26 <achshar> alright i am submiting for review then
255 2010-12-05T12:14:51 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: hello!
256 2010-12-05T12:18:05 <ThomasWaldmann> the point was: "if we have some syntax to implant style into table rows/cols, can't we use same syntax elsewhere?"
257 2010-12-05T12:18:05 *** achshar
258 2010-12-05T12:19:52 *** achshar
259 2010-12-05T12:20:33 *** achshar
260 2010-12-05T12:32:07 *** m4k3r
261 2010-12-05T13:15:03 *** ronny
262 2010-12-05T13:19:20 *** ronny
263 2010-12-05T13:52:08 *** ronny_
264 2010-12-05T15:12:03 *** kursor
265 2010-12-05T16:10:11 *** nickr5
266 2010-12-05T16:39:53 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: why does moin2 contain except ... as?
267 2010-12-05T16:40:41 <ThomasWaldmann> why not? :) we require 2.6.
268 2010-12-05T16:40:53 <xorAxAx> ok
269 2010-12-05T16:42:23 <ThomasWaldmann> i was just curious how pypy works currently with moin2. unfortunately it is only 2.5 compatible.
270 2010-12-05T16:45:06 <xorAxAx> yeah
271 2010-12-05T16:55:00 *** m4k3r
272 2010-12-05T17:06:11 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, trying again with pypy fast-forward branch :)
273 2010-12-05T18:01:31 *** greg_f
274 2010-12-05T18:09:14 *** GCIBot
275 2010-12-05T18:15:10 *** nickr500
276 2010-12-05T18:16:03 *** Kapace__
277 2010-12-05T18:16:19 *** nickr5
278 2010-12-05T18:16:19 *** Kapace_
279 2010-12-05T18:28:07 *** kursor_
280 2010-12-05T18:28:20 *** kursor
281 2010-12-05T18:28:20 *** kursor_
282 2010-12-05T19:23:20 *** m4k3r
283 2010-12-05T19:33:18 <dreimark> re
284 2010-12-05T19:41:51 <ThomasWaldmann> wb
285 2010-12-05T19:43:03 <GCIBot> ClaimRequested: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129098518439 (implement oauth auth for moin2)
286 2010-12-05T19:45:04 * dreimark accepted the task
287 2010-12-05T19:46:41 *** rfw
288 2010-12-05T19:58:57 *** GCIBot
289 2010-12-05T20:03:20 *** GCIBot
290 2010-12-05T20:05:28 *** GCIBot
291 2010-12-05T20:36:10 *** nickr500
292 2010-12-05T20:36:31 *** kursor
293 2010-12-05T20:41:37 *** ronny_
294 2010-12-05T20:46:32 <ronny> re
295 2010-12-05T20:47:51 <ThomasWaldmann> moin ronny
296 2010-12-05T20:48:26 <ronny> im reasonably well after spending a few days in bed
297 2010-12-05T20:50:11 <ThomasWaldmann> no tickets yet btw.
298 2010-12-05T20:52:38 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, our itemlinks metadata contains wrong stuff (e.g. foo#bar )
299 2010-12-05T21:22:35 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: yo up for mumble by chance?
300 2010-12-05T21:25:35 <ThomasWaldmann> we can try
301 2010-12-05T21:27:00 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i cant hear a word
302 2010-12-05T21:28:24 *** rfw
303 2010-12-05T21:28:43 *** rfw
304 2010-12-05T21:28:43 *** rfw
305 2010-12-05T21:30:23 *** rfw
306 2010-12-05T21:38:58 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do you have seen http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/test%20moin-1.9%20current%20repo%20checkout%20with%20Python%202.4/Notes
307 2010-12-05T21:39:21 <dreimark> the xapian tests failing looks strange
308 2010-12-05T21:39:46 <dreimark> ImportError: /home/miki/1.9/MoinMoin/search/Xapian/_xapian.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_EncodeUTF8
309 2010-12-05T21:40:29 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe he has a ucs2 python
310 2010-12-05T21:43:25 <dreimark> may be we should add it to the requirements for xapian if that is the reason
311 2010-12-05T21:45:28 <aa_> my experience with Xapian. Only use it if you genuinely hate yourself.
312 2010-12-05T21:45:36 <aa_> (I know, no one asked) :D
313 2010-12-05T21:45:49 <dreimark> hehe
314 2010-12-05T21:46:16 <aa_> by the way guys! I got my GSOC t-shirt, so thanks a lot :)
315 2010-12-05T21:46:29 <aa_> second year in a row without lifting a single finger
316 2010-12-05T21:47:30 <TheSheep> aa_: correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being here and helping my student
317 2010-12-05T21:48:04 <aa_> TheSheep: I was here, but did exactly zero
318 2010-12-05T21:48:17 <aa_> TheSheep: but I put it on my CV, and now I work for google :)
319 2010-12-05T21:48:18 <TheSheep> aa_: that's what SHE said!
320 2010-12-05T21:48:26 <aa_> hahahah
321 2010-12-05T21:52:15 *** achshar
322 2010-12-05T21:52:27 <achshar> hello
323 2010-12-05T21:53:13 <achshar> i have added a recomendation 4 on the wiki page
324 2010-12-05T21:53:15 <achshar> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Markup%20for%20Colour/submission#preview
325 2010-12-05T21:53:30 <achshar> if any mentor can read it :)
326 2010-12-05T21:54:50 <dreimark> achshar: do you have seen ThomasWaldmann request ?
327 2010-12-05T21:55:37 <dreimark> achshar: make an example how it is used on a table
328 2010-12-05T21:55:45 <dreimark> cell or row
329 2010-12-05T21:56:29 <dreimark> how would it look like for text if I want to have yellow foreground on black background
330 2010-12-05T21:56:59 <achshar> wwell you see thats the thing
331 2010-12-05T21:57:16 <achshar> the syntax he asked for would conflic with the tabke code
332 2010-12-05T21:57:47 <achshar> <color=red></> here first pat has doule extractions
333 2010-12-05T21:58:18 <achshar> it means that cell text has to be red
334 2010-12-05T21:58:40 <achshar> but it also means that the span with 'color:red' begins
335 2010-12-05T21:59:04 <achshar> i sugested [color=red][/] for this reason only
336 2010-12-05T21:59:36 <TheSheep> achshar: one problem I have with your submission is that your solution doesn't seem to be taken from anywhere -- it's just an arbitrary solution which you proclaimed best, and then came up with some slight variations that you called worse
337 2010-12-05T21:59:51 <dreimark> a / indicates in current markup a subpage
338 2010-12-05T21:59:53 <TheSheep> achshar: I do realize that it's probably not true, but that's how it looks like from the text
339 2010-12-05T22:00:36 <TheSheep> achshar: what would be nice is seeing comparisons to how others did it -- not necesarily in wikis only -- and how it worked there
340 2010-12-05T22:01:25 <achshar> i am sory if i expressed my work in a poor way but my recomendatin one is similar to that used in BBcode
341 2010-12-05T22:01:27 <TheSheep> achshar: also, things like consistency with existing moinmoin markup and potential conflicts
342 2010-12-05T22:01:34 <achshar> which is universily acepted
343 2010-12-05T22:01:42 <TheSheep> achshar: don't be sorry, just write it there
344 2010-12-05T22:02:32 <achshar> doing that right now
345 2010-12-05T22:02:34 <TheSheep> achshar: I'm not saying that you didn't think it over, I'm just saying that you are presenting the final effect of your thinking, and we would also like to see what lead you there
346 2010-12-05T22:02:37 <achshar> :)
347 2010-12-05T22:03:16 <achshar> hmm alright, i will try me best
348 2010-12-05T22:04:35 <achshar> just one thing.. why not use such things straight from bbcode.. like why reinvent the wheel?
349 2010-12-05T22:05:41 <TheSheep> achshar: that's also a possible solution
350 2010-12-05T22:06:09 <TheSheep> achshar: then again, why choose bbcode and not some other markup?
351 2010-12-05T22:06:24 <TheSheep> achshar: that's exactly what we wanted to know :)
352 2010-12-05T22:07:13 <achshar> coz it is simpler and almost everyother light weight markup is a variation of bbcode only
353 2010-12-05T22:07:21 <achshar> :D
354 2010-12-05T22:07:38 <TheSheep> achshar: which markups exactly?
355 2010-12-05T22:08:11 <achshar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCode
356 2010-12-05T22:08:13 <TheSheep> achshar: I know textile, markdown, restructuredtext, a dozen wiki markups -- and they are quite different from bbcode
357 2010-12-05T22:08:32 <TheSheep> on the other hand, to my eye bbcode looks like html with <> replaced by []
358 2010-12-05T22:09:36 <TheSheep> achshar: by the way, did you know that wikimatrix has a markup comparison for different wiki engines?
359 2010-12-05T22:09:48 <TheSheep> achshar: could be useful for you
360 2010-12-05T22:09:57 *** nickr5
361 2010-12-05T22:10:09 <achshar> googling it right now :)
362 2010-12-05T22:10:33 <achshar> bbcode represents a markup which comes to a layman mind first time he thinks about html
363 2010-12-05T22:10:42 <TheSheep> http://www.wikimatrix.org/syntax.php
364 2010-12-05T22:10:53 <achshar> and that is what wiki is about, normal man building the web
365 2010-12-05T22:10:55 <TheSheep> achshar: I'd say it depends on layman
366 2010-12-05T22:11:07 <achshar> :P
367 2010-12-05T22:11:24 <TheSheep> achshar: for example, I am not really accustomed with forums and bbcode is alien to me
368 2010-12-05T22:12:11 <achshar> technicaly speaking its not coz you just said that you feel its html replaced< with [
369 2010-12-05T22:12:31 <achshar> :D
370 2010-12-05T22:12:59 <TheSheep> html is a horrible markup for people
371 2010-12-05T22:13:16 <TheSheep> that's why wikis use simpler markup
372 2010-12-05T22:13:34 <achshar> agreed.
373 2010-12-05T22:14:07 <TheSheep> I'm not even sure what the desired features of the color markup should be
374 2010-12-05T22:14:35 <achshar> also i cannot help but wonder that the list of markups on the page you gave does not have a text color markup
375 2010-12-05T22:14:45 <TheSheep> for example, if they are to be used often, then they should be short and easy to type -- but not necessarily so if they are to be used rarely
376 2010-12-05T22:15:11 <achshar> hmm yea that makes sense
377 2010-12-05T22:15:21 <TheSheep> yeah, I suppose it's not a common enough feature to put it on the list for comparing
378 2010-12-05T22:15:51 <achshar> that is exactly what i found out on first day of my research
379 2010-12-05T22:16:16 <TheSheep> maybe you should write more about html and bbcode
380 2010-12-05T22:16:26 <TheSheep> because they are two markups that do have that
381 2010-12-05T22:16:26 <achshar> i couldnt find any wiki site having a dedicated markup for color
382 2010-12-05T22:16:36 <achshar> hmm right
383 2010-12-05T22:16:39 <TheSheep> well, moin has it for tables
384 2010-12-05T22:17:10 <achshar> yes but my task was for portions of text
385 2010-12-05T22:17:25 <TheSheep> mediawiki has it too: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_color_formatting_help
386 2010-12-05T22:17:57 <TheSheep> pmwiki has it for tables: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/TableDirectives
387 2010-12-05T22:18:48 <TheSheep> and colors: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/WikiStyleColors
388 2010-12-05T22:19:49 <achshar> finally
389 2010-12-05T22:20:12 <TheSheep> trac, which had similar markup to moin, has a color macro: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/ColorMacro
390 2010-12-05T22:20:19 <TheSheep> etc.
391 2010-12-05T22:20:35 <TheSheep> just look over the list of wikis on wikimatrix and check if they have any markup for color
392 2010-12-05T22:20:39 <TheSheep> write them down
393 2010-12-05T22:20:41 <TheSheep> compare
394 2010-12-05T22:20:42 <TheSheep> etc.
395 2010-12-05T22:21:24 <achshar> i was looking for it in a more popular website like media wiki, wikianswers, wikihow so that they could be named on my page
396 2010-12-05T22:23:36 <TheSheep> http://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax+Text
397 2010-12-05T22:23:55 <TheSheep> achshar: aren't they all mediawiki installations?
398 2010-12-05T22:23:56 *** achshar
399 2010-12-05T22:25:45 *** achshar
400 2010-12-05T22:25:48 <achshar> That is a good one
401 2010-12-05T22:27:25 <achshar> but tides, underscores, equals, hashes are too common to be used in markup
402 2010-12-05T22:27:50 <achshar> it is easily possible for then to occour in a group of two ar even three
403 2010-12-05T22:28:37 <TheSheep> sure, write that in the comments to those markups on your submission page
404 2010-12-05T22:29:13 <TheSheep> not that [] are so rare either...
405 2010-12-05T22:30:16 <TheSheep> btw, I'm not a mentor this year, so treat all I say as just an advice
406 2010-12-05T22:30:42 <TheSheep> it's just how I would do it
407 2010-12-05T22:39:53 <achshar> yeah but hey! thanks alot
408 2010-12-05T22:39:59 <dreimark> bbl
409 2010-12-05T22:45:22 <achshar> no offence but can you please tell me what is unacceptble with my first recomendation, so that i could work over it..
410 2010-12-05T22:49:43 <achshar> dreimark: you said 'make an example how it is used on a table', can you please elaborate? example of how it can be used in a table or how it conflicts with its markup?
411 2010-12-05T22:55:05 *** jbills
412 2010-12-05T22:56:14 <jbills> I need some help with my code. I am working on the TOC and need some help. My current code disorganizes the a large chunk of the TOC
413 2010-12-05T22:56:17 <jbills> https://gist.github.com/727189
414 2010-12-05T22:58:15 <dreimark> achshar: ||<rowspan=2> spanning rows||||<style="background-color: #E0E0FF;"> spanning 2 columns||
415 2010-12-05T22:58:15 *** achshar
416 2010-12-05T22:58:25 <dreimark> :(
417 2010-12-05T22:58:57 *** achshar
418 2010-12-05T22:59:32 <dreimark> achshar: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnTables
419 2010-12-05T22:59:47 <dreimark> look at ||<rowspan=2> spanning rows||||<style="background-color: #E0E0FF;"> spanning 2 columns||
420 2010-12-05T23:00:14 <dreimark> this markup becomes then replaced?
421 2010-12-05T23:01:32 <CIA-62> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5748:666e359493f5 1.9/MoinMoin/formatter/text_plain.py: text plain formatter: fix bullet_list, see number_list
422 2010-12-05T23:01:47 *** achshar1
423 2010-12-05T23:03:14 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar1: what we maybe could try is to have one common way to put colours
424 2010-12-05T23:03:18 *** achshar
425 2010-12-05T23:03:31 <ThomasWaldmann> in tables as in text
426 2010-12-05T23:04:48 <achshar1> that would be kind of difficult coz in tables the preset code just adds the 'color' in the style atribute where as in text it would have to create a new div or span
427 2010-12-05T23:05:06 <achshar1> we can do that but it would complicate things on the coding part
428 2010-12-05T23:05:29 <dreimark> it simplifies
429 2010-12-05T23:05:48 <dreimark> with two ways one is always the wrong one
430 2010-12-05T23:06:57 <achshar1> hmmmm so should i think of something to integrate the table and text color syntax?
431 2010-12-05T23:07:25 <dreimark> yes, or the result used in tables too
432 2010-12-05T23:07:35 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar1: that could be solved by having markup for span separately, and then markup for styling it
433 2010-12-05T23:08:11 <achshar1> allright but that would give user an extra bit of code to type
434 2010-12-05T23:08:14 <ThomasWaldmann> (that's just an idea, we'll see what we can really do later)
435 2010-12-05T23:09:26 <achshar1> that would make it somewhat similar to html itself
436 2010-12-05T23:10:24 <ThomasWaldmann> it doesn't necessarily be like it is in tables NOW
437 2010-12-05T23:10:41 <ThomasWaldmann> that would save us from having to do conversion, though
438 2010-12-05T23:11:21 <achshar1> thats a development, so we can update the table syntax to colaborate with markups..
439 2010-12-05T23:11:26 <achshar1> no offence but can you please tell me what is unacceptble with my first recomendation, so that i could work over correcting it..
440 2010-12-05T23:11:33 <jbills> I need some help with my code. I am working on the TOC and need some help. My current code disorganizes the a large chunk of the TOC. Heres my code: https://gist.github.com/727189
441 2010-12-05T23:12:51 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar1: it's not that it is unacceptable, but we are searching for different ideas
442 2010-12-05T23:13:27 <achshar1> hmm alright thats cool the :D
443 2010-12-05T23:13:44 <ThomasWaldmann> one problem, as i already pointed out, could be that it triggers too easily [colour is great]
444 2010-12-05T23:14:55 <achshar1> no its not like that
445 2010-12-05T23:14:55 <ThomasWaldmann> [[colour=green|foo]]
446 2010-12-05T23:15:14 <dreimark> jbills: hmm
447 2010-12-05T23:15:28 <achshar1> in [color is great], the regex comes into action
448 2010-12-05T23:15:29 <dreimark> you need to look at pep8, and don't use str
449 2010-12-05T23:16:06 <achshar1> only the code with [color=(something over here)] would be accepted
450 2010-12-05T23:16:17 <dreimark> e.g. 'li'+str(count) 'li%s' % count
451 2010-12-05T23:16:34 <achshar1> ThomasWaldmann: are you familiar with regex?
452 2010-12-05T23:16:47 <dreimark> hehe
453 2010-12-05T23:16:55 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, mostly :)
454 2010-12-05T23:16:59 <achshar1> i know it exists in python :))
455 2010-12-05T23:17:33 <achshar1> then you can understand why [color is great] would not be a problem
456 2010-12-05T23:17:50 <dreimark> achshar1: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/666e359493f5/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py
457 2010-12-05T23:18:10 <achshar1> the variable part would be between '=' and ']'
458 2010-12-05T23:18:53 <ThomasWaldmann> see my 2nd example
459 2010-12-05T23:19:11 <jbills> Thanks.
460 2010-12-05T23:19:21 <ThomasWaldmann> is that a link to page "colour=green" with title foo or is it begin of a span coloured green|foo?
461 2010-12-05T23:20:18 <dreimark> waldi: do you have a bit time to help jbills with TOC extension
462 2010-12-05T23:20:39 <achshar1> its defenatly the first one because | is not aalid color name
463 2010-12-05T23:21:27 <ThomasWaldmann> jbills: what exactly is your question btw?
464 2010-12-05T23:21:48 <jbills> How to reorgonize the TOC
465 2010-12-05T23:22:01 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar1: yeah, but for parsing, that's no good :)
466 2010-12-05T23:22:02 <jbills> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work_submission/download_blob?key=AMIfv95jJnZks8HXBt--h03KRvKWKh2o8NWOZArMyyZ1WzLvjk7OjUuE8l4uPkKt8x6RqELSdI6d3WgeRsE5YcFJIrzRUiZwC3vxO3BU7xQRZxJfJuUE0OmcrxmmKhCJfKpH-H-jY3h5He1WZ0KU_UZ5hoTEIE35ow
467 2010-12-05T23:22:11 <ronny> hmm
468 2010-12-05T23:22:12 <ronny> meh
469 2010-12-05T23:22:22 <ronny> moinmoi's test logging setup is problematic i think
470 2010-12-05T23:23:02 <dreimark> because of the not documented features of logging ?
471 2010-12-05T23:25:08 <achshar1> we have an aray of valid color name like green, black, gold, blue ect and and if the value betwen '=' and ']' is not one of them then we check if it begins with a '#' if it does then we check if length of the text after '#' is 3 or 6 this would make sure an entry is intented to be a markup.
472 2010-12-05T23:26:22 <achshar1> if it does not satisfy any of the above it could be send for furthur markup recognition of other syntaxes ot could be printed as it is
473 2010-12-05T23:27:59 <ronny> dreimark: kind of
474 2010-12-05T23:28:15 <ronny> dreimark: i think using the logcapture plugin instead would help
475 2010-12-05T23:29:04 <ronny> dreimark, ThomasWaldmann can you guys imagine using tox or a propper install of pytest for testing
476 2010-12-05T23:29:33 <ronny> tox helps with setting up virtualenvs with different python versions and testing on them
477 2010-12-05T23:29:46 <ronny> (and it helps installing test deps)
478 2010-12-05T23:31:11 <ronny> that way stuff like the custom log handling, coverage and code checks could be outsourced to the pytest plugins for that
479 2010-12-05T23:37:18 <achshar1> what say?
480 2010-12-05T23:38:31 <achshar1> and as far as integration of color markup with table markup is concerned, we can remove the text color option fom table markup and make a global text color markup
481 2010-12-05T23:42:20 <achshar1> =-O
482 2010-12-05T23:43:06 *** achshar1
483 2010-12-05T23:43:27 *** achshar1
484 2010-12-05T23:43:45 *** achshar1
485 2010-12-05T23:44:18 *** achshar1
486 2010-12-05T23:45:41 <jbills> ^waldi: Are u there?
487 2010-12-05T23:46:56 <achshar1> btw i updated the wiki page, it now tells the respective sources of the ideas http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Markup%20for%20Colour/submission
488 2010-12-05T23:48:13 *** achshar1
489 2010-12-05T23:49:37 *** achshar
490 2010-12-05T23:52:39 <achshar> any body out there? where did everybody go? lunchtime? alien attack? worldcup?
491 2010-12-05T23:53:10 <jbills> Yes please
492 2010-12-05T23:53:23 <ronny> achshar: seems they are busy atm, we need to wait a bit
493 2010-12-05T23:53:33 <achshar> :P
494 2010-12-05T23:53:45 <ronny> oh
495 2010-12-05T23:54:04 <ronny> im actually listed as mentor on yours, i gotta take a quick look what its about
496 2010-12-05T23:54:18 <achshar> oh please :D
497 2010-12-05T23:54:39 <jbills> Your mentor on mine 2
498 2010-12-05T23:54:42 <jbills> !!!
499 2010-12-05T23:54:44 <achshar> yes you are!
500 2010-12-05T23:54:55 <ronny> i just got back from a few days sick in bed
501 2010-12-05T23:55:29 <achshar> great to have you back!
502 2010-12-05T23:58:00 <ronny> hmm
503 2010-12-05T23:59:31 <ronny> personally i like the one from tiki
