1 2011-01-29T00:33:05 <dreimark> gn
2 2011-01-29T00:33:35 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: somehow i think it makes sense to bring that etherpad up in #distutils
3 2011-01-29T00:35:00 <ronny> hmm, tarek missing tho
4 2011-01-29T00:48:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: well, do it :)
5 2011-01-29T01:11:29 <zynox> ThomasWaldmann, carrying on from the conversation before on #moin. Perhaps in moin2 this could be a new feature where you post a wiki page being a single post, and have some macro to display them all in order, and the contents.
6 2011-01-29T01:12:09 <zynox> /News/My-Post-One/
7 2011-01-29T01:16:24 <ThomasWaldmann> zynox: yes
8 2011-01-29T01:16:57 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if that is enough, thoug. what happens if you want to edit one post?
9 2011-01-29T01:17:35 <zynox> you edit it. The date it was published on should be stored in metadata
10 2011-01-29T01:18:15 * ThomasWaldmann has a nice name: xstatic - like eXternal static stuff. pronounced like ecstatic. :D
11 2011-01-29T01:18:57 <ThomasWaldmann> zynox: we only have a sequence of revisions, not a tree
12 2011-01-29T01:19:42 <ThomasWaldmann> no problem if you use one item per blogpost, but a problem if 1 revison == 1 post
13 2011-01-29T01:20:26 <zynox> the latest revision of a page should be the post?
14 2011-01-29T01:21:52 <ronny> meh, im unable to finish some of the moin stuff i promised to do antime soon i guess
15 2011-01-29T01:22:04 <ronny> exams and being ill
16 2011-01-29T01:23:17 <ThomasWaldmann> see moinmo.in front page
17 2011-01-29T01:23:27 <ThomasWaldmann> and get well soon :)
18 2011-01-29T01:28:34 <ThomasWaldmann> zynox: yeah, then it is no problem. you maybe even can do that using Include macro and MonthCalendar somehow
19 2011-01-29T01:28:44 <ThomasWaldmann> (with moin 1.9)
20 2011-01-29T01:29:23 <zynox> Ok will have to take a read on the macro's
21 2011-01-29T01:46:36 *** Trip_
22 2011-01-29T02:33:10 *** cosmos_t1ought
23 2011-01-29T03:32:43 *** grzywacz
24 2011-01-29T04:06:34 *** Trip_
25 2011-01-29T04:40:56 *** Trip_
26 2011-01-29T05:08:39 *** Trip_
27 2011-01-29T06:29:28 *** kasun
28 2011-01-29T09:12:40 *** kasun
29 2011-01-29T10:16:57 *** Trip_
30 2011-01-29T10:18:11 *** Trip_
31 2011-01-29T11:47:25 *** Trip_
32 2011-01-29T11:49:47 *** Trip_
33 2011-01-29T11:54:18 *** kasun
34 2011-01-29T12:07:59 <kasun> hi, I was trying to clone the moin repository via https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0-dev . But surprisingly, the total size of the repository is 204.9MB. Does this including all the development branches of moin?
35 2011-01-29T12:08:33 <kasun> If so, I'd appreciate if anyone point me to the correct subdirectory to clone.
36 2011-01-29T12:10:07 <kasun> I'm trying to get familiar with the code-base, as by that way I can play with it a little
37 2011-01-29T12:10:45 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
38 2011-01-29T12:11:12 <ThomasWaldmann> kasun: currently you need the whole thing
39 2011-01-29T12:12:03 <ThomasWaldmann> but we are short before massively reducing this, see http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0/InfrastructurePlans
40 2011-01-29T12:13:06 <kasun> I see
41 2011-01-29T12:15:02 <kasun> ThomasWaldmann, would it be ok, if I download the bz2 instead of cloning? I assume the repository details will not lost by that way. Cloning would take enourmous time to get 200MB!
42 2011-01-29T12:15:42 <ThomasWaldmann> you could take the tar.bz2 from the 27c3 workshop
43 2011-01-29T12:16:11 <ThomasWaldmann> http://static.moinmo.in/files/moin-2.0-dev.tar.bz2
44 2011-01-29T12:16:50 <ThomasWaldmann> that's from december, but you can hg pull -u after unpacking it
45 2011-01-29T12:17:41 <ThomasWaldmann> it's a complete clone (repo + workdir)
46 2011-01-29T12:21:00 <kasun> Sure, thanks ThomasWaldmann. I'm trying to build the source. Please let me know if there's any other specific things that I need to know.
47 2011-01-29T12:23:47 *** Trip_
48 2011-01-29T12:24:14 <ThomasWaldmann> answering specific questions is easier than imaginating what you might want to know :)
49 2011-01-29T12:24:30 <ThomasWaldmann> i saw you worked on docbook last year :)
50 2011-01-29T12:27:05 <kasun> ah, yes. It's just that I was wondering, for some projects, we have to follow some specific set of instructions, rather than general build process. I hope Moin doesn't have problems like that :)
51 2011-01-29T12:28:12 <ThomasWaldmann> well, for moin you don't have much "building", it's python
52 2011-01-29T12:28:36 <kasun> Yes, last year we had a wonderful summer. You might check out my blog post regarding GSoC I wrote if interested! :) http://blog.kasunbg.org/2010/04/google-summer-of-code-2010.html
53 2011-01-29T12:28:51 <ThomasWaldmann> so after unpacking that tar.bz2, do a hg pull -u, then run ./moin and point your browser to the url it announces
54 2011-01-29T12:29:14 <kasun> sure.
55 2011-01-29T12:29:21 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, no, before running ./moin look into quickinstall
56 2011-01-29T12:29:40 <ThomasWaldmann> you'll need to use virtualenv / pip
57 2011-01-29T12:31:24 <kasun> sure, I'll check it out
58 2011-01-29T12:33:08 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, yesterday we had some discussion about how to deal with some 3rd party static files
59 2011-01-29T12:33:39 <ThomasWaldmann> currently, you'll have to download and uncompress them manually if you need them
60 2011-01-29T12:34:20 <ThomasWaldmann> it's jquery, svg-edit, svgweb, twikidraw, ... - you see it in wikiconfig where they are expected
61 2011-01-29T12:34:47 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/staticpy that was the outcome of tonights discussion so far
62 2011-01-29T12:42:38 <kasun> thanks, I'm going through it right now. It's not completely comprehensive to me, as I have to cover some basic things that were stated there. I'll get up-to-speed quickly.
63 2011-01-29T12:51:12 *** kasun
64 2011-01-29T13:02:09 *** greg_f
65 2011-01-29T13:07:34 *** kasun
66 2011-01-29T13:17:48 <ThomasWaldmann> http://fanstatic.org/ < i am currently looking into this
67 2011-01-29T13:19:53 <kasun> FYI, "hg pull -u" didn't work for me. It gives an error- "abort: repository /srv/in.moinmo.hg/repos/moin/2.0-dev not found!"
68 2011-01-29T13:19:54 <kasun> So, did a "hg pull -u http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev" to get it work.
69 2011-01-29T13:20:57 <kasun> Should we set the default path in moin-2.0-dev/.hg/hgrc file to point to correct repo? currently the default is set to /srv/in.moinmo.hg/repos/moin/2.0-dev
70 2011-01-29T13:21:33 <ThomasWaldmann> kasun: you need to edit .hg/hgrc
71 2011-01-29T13:21:44 <ThomasWaldmann> i forgot that
72 2011-01-29T13:22:25 <ThomasWaldmann> [paths]
73 2011-01-29T13:22:25 <ThomasWaldmann> default-push = ssh://hg@hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/
74 2011-01-29T13:22:25 <ThomasWaldmann> default = http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/
75 2011-01-29T13:22:28 <kasun> That's ok. I'll edit it and point it to http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev . hope the path is correct
76 2011-01-29T13:22:42 <kasun> ahh thanks
77 2011-01-29T13:23:25 <ThomasWaldmann> pushing to there only works if you are allowed and your ssh key is installed
78 2011-01-29T13:23:49 <ThomasWaldmann> if you are using bitbucket, you maybe rather want to configure the urls of your bb fork
79 2011-01-29T13:26:50 <kasun> ok.
80 2011-01-29T13:27:06 <kasun> Either way, I can commit to the local repo, right? If so, I think I can manage with what I have right now. I'm getting started with dvcs here. :)
81 2011-01-29T13:31:47 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, you can commit to local any time :)
82 2011-01-29T13:32:11 <ThomasWaldmann> that's the nice thing with dvcs, you can use it offline
83 2011-01-29T13:32:36 <ThomasWaldmann> and you don't need any permission to use dvcs repo, because it's your own
84 2011-01-29T13:34:19 <kasun> yes, I was fascinated with dvc systems when I went through some nice slides at slideshare. But nearly 200MB size of metadata (in .hg/) is a really big issue IMO!
85 2011-01-29T13:35:20 <ThomasWaldmann> well, that "metadata" IS the complete repository
86 2011-01-29T13:36:32 <kasun> oh, is it? I thought it's a lot of history!
87 2011-01-29T13:36:35 <ThomasWaldmann> since moin 1.5 in 2005 :)
88 2011-01-29T13:37:17 <ThomasWaldmann> that must be when we switched from tla (gnu arch) to hg
89 2011-01-29T13:39:15 <ThomasWaldmann> the new repo will only be ~ 2MB soon :)
90 2011-01-29T13:39:31 <kasun> ahh. yeah, I'm glad the restructuring is going on to reduce the size. ~2MB is very reasonable. :)
91 2011-01-29T13:40:50 *** cosmos_thought
92 2011-01-29T13:51:51 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, fanstatic -> install_requires=['Paste', 'WebOb', 'argparse']
93 2011-01-29T14:28:31 *** m4k3r
94 2011-01-29T14:49:17 <dreimark> WebOb?
95 2011-01-29T15:01:36 *** maker
96 2011-01-29T15:01:54 <ThomasWaldmann> yet another python web thing
97 2011-01-29T15:02:11 <ThomasWaldmann> see etherpad for more ideas
98 2011-01-29T15:03:48 *** m4k3r
99 2011-01-29T15:21:34 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/xstatic new name, new url. added some stuff about fanstatic.
100 2011-01-29T15:32:54 *** maker
101 2011-01-29T15:50:42 *** grzywacz
102 2011-01-29T15:50:42 *** grzywacz
103 2011-01-29T16:10:47 *** cosmos_thought
104 2011-01-29T17:18:20 *** m4k3r
105 2011-01-29T17:37:21 *** Samm
106 2011-01-29T17:40:05 *** Samm
107 2011-01-29T17:57:14 *** Samm__
108 2011-01-29T18:11:47 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: seems like python will only get referencing non-python packages, not resource access and the like
109 2011-01-29T18:34:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: see url above, we are currently working on it
110 2011-01-29T18:38:39 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: right, i had a look yesterday
111 2011-01-29T19:10:15 <ThomasWaldmann> currently trying to get a bit more concrete, building an xstatic.pkg.jquery package
112 2011-01-29T19:40:55 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: is it valid to use setup(..., license="same as jQuery", ...) for a packaged jQuery?
113 2011-01-29T19:41:26 <ThomasWaldmann> or does one need to be specific?
114 2011-01-29T19:41:55 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: neat
115 2011-01-29T19:42:01 <ronny> whops
116 2011-01-29T19:42:06 <ronny> i was miss-scrolled
117 2011-01-29T19:42:37 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i suppose it makes sense to make it specific
118 2011-01-29T19:42:39 <ronny> just in case
119 2011-01-29T19:44:04 <ThomasWaldmann> specific = more work :)
120 2011-01-29T19:44:16 <ThomasWaldmann> and prone to break
121 2011-01-29T19:47:11 *** greg_f
122 2011-01-29T20:36:05 *** kasun
123 2011-01-29T20:55:44 *** kasun
124 2011-01-29T21:43:48 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i suppose it makes sense to write a script that updates the metadata/packages
125 2011-01-29T21:43:59 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i can do such a thing after the exams
126 2011-01-29T22:09:46 *** Trip_
127 2011-01-29T23:21:15 <dreimark> re
128 2011-01-29T23:40:16 <ThomasWaldmann> we should merge nikita's and Roger's stuff soon
129 2011-01-29T23:59:49 <ThomasWaldmann> m4k3r: there?
