MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2011-02-21

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   2 2011-02-21T00:38:24  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/342004/
   3 2011-02-21T00:38:39  <dreimark> some thoughts about flaskext.gravatar
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   5 2011-02-21T00:43:37  <ThomasWaldmann> what is that good for?
   6 2011-02-21T00:45:20  <dreimark> user images
   7 2011-02-21T00:45:48  <dreimark> http://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/images
   8 2011-02-21T00:50:06  <ThomasWaldmann> that stuff is a privacy issue
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  10 2011-02-21T00:55:11  <dreimark> depends on the image user uses. ohloh also uses gravatar images.
  11 2011-02-21T00:56:21  <dreimark> i currenly have @IMG@ in moin-1.x
  12 2011-02-21T00:56:31  <ThomasWaldmann> they will know each url your image appears on
  13 2011-02-21T00:57:13  <ThomasWaldmann> they will know what wikis you run in your intranet and the topics on those wikis
  14 2011-02-21T00:58:03  <dreimark> hmm, then we need the wiki doing something similiar
  15 2011-02-21T00:58:08  <ThomasWaldmann> they will know with which people you discuss
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  17 2011-02-21T01:03:22  <dreimark> gn
  18 2011-02-21T01:06:11  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
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  22 2011-02-21T01:33:22  <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann I think such things should be modular, plugin, off by default, perhaps with one paragraph at install pointing out that hey, this sends 3rd party X all your page views
  23 2011-02-21T01:33:40  <MattMaker> but available for people who will make that tradeoff
  24 2011-02-21T01:34:36  <MattMaker> I made an experimental moin1.9.3 plugin for DISQUS; it worked well but definitely has that same privacy concern
  25 2011-02-21T01:35:02  <MattMaker> new issue tracker is happy news!
  26 2011-02-21T01:37:50  * MattMaker hopes that revamping of pytests makes them so easy to follow/understand that even casual contributors can figure them out and add new regression tests
  27 2011-02-21T01:37:55  * ThomasWaldmann just filed issue #1 for flask-static
  28 2011-02-21T01:40:10  <MattMaker> regarding gravatars, might be extremely amusing to provide a "privacy-enhanced" version of gravatars, cached locally
  29 2011-02-21T01:40:53  <MattMaker> which might even be outside their Terms of Service, who knows
  30 2011-02-21T01:41:22  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but even if privacy is more or less fixed, that is no moin 2.0 feature
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  32 2011-02-21T01:42:00  <ThomasWaldmann> and still, that would leak a bit if cache is refreshed
  33 2011-02-21T01:42:21  <MattMaker> no, not a basic feature
  34 2011-02-21T01:42:44  <MattMaker> except to design for making adding such things easy, perhaps
  35 2011-02-21T01:46:04  <MattMaker> the privacy thing reminds me, should it be an option, perhaps, to make it so that I cannot place a tracking beacon in some text I add to a wiki?
  36 2011-02-21T01:47:11  <MattMaker> like an ACL type for "we will load external image links provided by this person", as is sometimes prevented in email reader programs
  37 2011-02-21T01:48:31  <ThomasWaldmann> checking for external stuff is interesting for spam protection also
  38 2011-02-21T01:48:50  <MattMaker> could be an antispam measure for new pages -- yeah, it is true for any link that would be shown inline
  39 2011-02-21T01:49:55  <MattMaker> or alternately, if that is not a basic moin2 feature, then maybe it is important instead to consider how we can "make it easy" for the person who wants to create that feature
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  41 2011-02-21T01:51:03  <MattMaker> it might be too restrictive to have good wiki-nature, to have such a thing active by default
  42 2011-02-21T01:51:05  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, plugin system again :)
  43 2011-02-21T01:51:10  <MattMaker> yes :)
  44 2011-02-21T01:51:15  * MattMaker likes plugins
  45 2011-02-21T01:51:53  * MattMaker even creates plugins for software that actively doesn't want plugins
  46 2011-02-21T01:52:58  <MattMaker> on windows I had a software wedge that would inject new features into apps I used, by snooping all of the message-passing... it was almost a virus, from the app's point of view
  47 2011-02-21T01:54:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
  48 2011-02-21T02:01:35  * MattMaker notices that these bitbucket.org web pages are using Google Analytics ;)
  49 2011-02-21T02:04:55  <MattMaker> wow, cloning the new repo WAS super fast
  50 2011-02-21T02:06:24  <ThomasWaldmann> 99% less fat :D
  51 2011-02-21T02:24:52  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3:4f997989dfb1 2.0/ (5 files in 2 dirs): account scripts: mostly cosmetic changes, remove unused code
  52 2011-02-21T03:08:34  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4:497a65401dcb 2.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fix moin2 repo url, add some other urls to the docs
  53 2011-02-21T03:23:26  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5:4641656b7102 2.0/docs/devel/development.rst: add some short docs about testing
  54 2011-02-21T03:37:06  <MattMaker> was just going looking for the sample logging config files, and it so happens I looked first in MoinMoin/log.py to find out where to look for them
  55 2011-02-21T03:37:09  <MattMaker> therefore: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/342058/
  56 2011-02-21T03:37:42  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 6:d632bfadc25c 2.0/docs/devel/development.rst: add some short docs about documentation
  57 2011-02-21T03:38:51  <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: There are also some logging configurations in the `examples/` directory.
  58 2011-02-21T03:38:59  <ThomasWaldmann> from teh docs :)
  59 2011-02-21T03:40:57  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe i should write "in the docs/examples/config/logging/ directory"
  60 2011-02-21T03:42:10  <MattMaker> right, always difficult when ending a sentence with a filename, or code, etc. :)
  61 2011-02-21T03:45:47  <MattMaker> oh, oops, haha -- have to actually get out of the old virtualenv and into the new :)
  62 2011-02-21T03:47:06  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 7:164fc219e28d 2.0/docs/admin/ (configure.rst serve.rst): docs: be more precise about example file locations
  63 2011-02-21T03:51:48  <MattMaker> and now, I had to go to http://static.moinmo.in/m2/html/admin/install.html#installing to remind myself what to do with my new copy of the new repo
  64 2011-02-21T03:52:04  <MattMaker> should it appear somewhere in a README or similar?
  65 2011-02-21T03:52:22  <MattMaker> oh, the docs
  66 2011-02-21T03:52:36  * MattMaker is like users in that he doesn't read
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  68 2011-02-21T03:53:48  <MattMaker> so I would go read docs/admin/install.rst to gain this information
  69 2011-02-21T03:53:59  <ThomasWaldmann> yes :)
  70 2011-02-21T03:55:55  <MattMaker> are all these warnings that quickinstall gives, useful?
  71 2011-02-21T04:00:25  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not that much
  72 2011-02-21T04:01:33  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 8:b42684c416f6 2.0/docs/conf.py: sphinx conf: import version from MoinMoin, update year
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  75 2011-02-21T04:22:15  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9:6c54b77ab174 2.0/docs/ (conf.py _static/Logo_MoinMoin.png): html docs: use Logo with text (thanks to Aviral Dasgupta, GCI 2010)
  76 2011-02-21T05:16:31  <MattMaker> am wondering exactly why starting the virtualenv uses a env/bin/moin that doesn't accept commandline args even if you wanted?
  77 2011-02-21T05:17:05  <MattMaker> not saying it's a bad thing, just confusing
  78 2011-02-21T05:18:59  <MattMaker> (the reason it comes up, is because I already have something else running on port 8080)
  79 2011-02-21T05:20:07  <MattMaker> (so I edit the default in ./moin, but that means making a change that shows up in hg status)
  80 2011-02-21T05:23:00  <MattMaker> trying to use the example logging configuration file 'logfile_debug_auth', get this error: 2011-02-20 22:20:27,982 WARNING MoinMoin.log:136 load_config for "/home/moin/srv/moin/code/2.0/logging.conf" failed with "No section: 'formatters'".
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  82 2011-02-21T05:30:18  <MattMaker> oh, oops
  83 2011-02-21T05:30:47  <MattMaker> I should probably name the file what I told moin I named it, then
  84 2011-02-21T05:32:25  <MattMaker> ignore that error, my bad
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  87 2011-02-21T05:41:23  <MattMaker> maybe there should be a suggested template for user home page
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  99 2011-02-21T08:47:45  <dreimark> moin
 100 2011-02-21T08:47:56  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: bitbucket logo looks ugly
 101 2011-02-21T08:49:36  <dreimark> if zoomed into the page it starts looking like squaring the circle
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 105 2011-02-21T09:03:21  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: MattMaker http://yapsy.sourceforge.net/
 106 2011-02-21T09:03:43  <dreimark> may be that is the base for our new plugin system
 107 2011-02-21T09:03:59  <dreimark> TheSheep: ^
 108 2011-02-21T09:05:05  <TheSheep> dreimark: I looked at it once, can't remember what I didn't like
 109 2011-02-21T09:05:18  <dreimark> http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/weblog/posts/BB923.html
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 114 2011-02-21T09:51:26  <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann I read in the yapsy docs where it points out that the process of integrating a plugin system ends up forcing the main app's code to be better; I like that idea
 115 2011-02-21T09:51:52  <MattMaker> oops, I meant to type dreimark
 116 2011-02-21T09:51:59  <TheSheep> it's hard to force something on codebase the size of moin
 117 2011-02-21T09:52:35  <MattMaker> maybe a softer word then :)
 118 2011-02-21T09:53:04  <TheSheep> no, no, it does force it
 119 2011-02-21T09:53:08  <TheSheep> that's the problem
 120 2011-02-21T09:53:36  <TheSheep> fortunately moin2 was done with plugins in mind
 121 2011-02-21T09:54:50  <MattMaker> I experimentally leeched a trace decorator onto it today (moin2)
 122 2011-02-21T09:56:53  <TheSheep> latched?
 123 2011-02-21T09:57:31  <MattMaker> either metaphor works
 124 2011-02-21T09:57:48  <MattMaker> latched is more grammatical
 125 2011-02-21T09:58:41  <TheSheep> leech is that small animal that sucks blood
 126 2011-02-21T09:58:52  <MattMaker> right, decorators are kind of like that
 127 2011-02-21T09:59:25  <xorAxAx> he/she/it twitters; yesterday, they twat
 128 2011-02-21T10:02:09  <TheSheep> they suck blood?
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 141 2011-02-21T12:28:36  <eSyr> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/MoinBounties?action=diff&rev1=47&rev2=48 hehe
 142 2011-02-21T12:29:10  <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: ^^^
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 144 2011-02-21T12:34:14  <eSyr> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9RstUriNotEscaped
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 147 2011-02-21T12:48:59  <dreimark> now we have 2 time to make a new release
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 187 2011-02-21T21:33:55  <ThomasWaldmann> re
 188 2011-02-21T22:08:27  * ThomasWaldmann tries to fix the rst issue
 189 2011-02-21T22:18:30  * ThomasWaldmann thinks about rewriting javascript: urls to javascript:alert("it does not work")
 190 2011-02-21T22:20:26  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5763:97208f67798f 1.9/MoinMoin/parser/text_rst.py: remove support for javascript: URLs in the rst parser (dangerous, XSS)
 191 2011-02-21T22:34:06  * ThomasWaldmann requested a CVE for this
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