1 2011-03-18T00:20:49 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/mchaput/whoosh/issue/115/dual-licensing-woosh
2 2011-03-18T00:25:09 <xorAxAx> cool
3 2011-03-18T00:27:06 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, one license issue less
4 2011-03-18T00:27:37 <ThomasWaldmann> doesn't fix the mobwrite issue, though
5 2011-03-18T00:41:52 <dreimark> mobwrite has no issue tracker?
6 2011-03-18T00:42:00 <dreimark> we can try the same
7 2011-03-18T00:43:13 <ThomasWaldmann> i tried, he told "too many people involved to change license"
8 2011-03-18T00:56:48 <dreimark> http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
9 2011-03-18T00:57:16 <dreimark> GPLv3 software cannot be included in Apache projects.
10 2011-03-18T00:57:41 <dreimark> the other way around works
11 2011-03-18T01:34:53 *** ErSame
12 2011-03-18T07:04:17 *** Marchael
13 2011-03-18T07:05:47 *** Marchael
14 2011-03-18T07:05:51 *** Marchael
15 2011-03-18T08:01:28 <dreimark> moin
16 2011-03-18T08:01:41 <Marchael> moin
17 2011-03-18T08:49:54 *** Marchael
18 2011-03-18T09:09:02 *** Marchael
19 2011-03-18T10:20:38 *** andialbrecht_
20 2011-03-18T10:20:50 <andialbrecht> moin
21 2011-03-18T10:39:14 <dreimark> moin andialbrecht
22 2011-03-18T10:39:41 <dreimark> brb
23 2011-03-18T10:50:37 *** greg_f
24 2011-03-18T11:05:12 <andialbrecht> dreimark: moin
25 2011-03-18T11:07:51 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: andialbrecht knows much about sqlalchemy
26 2011-03-18T11:12:30 <andialbrecht> I've had a quick look at the moin2 sources. Is it really just the sqla backend where sqlalchemy enters the ring?
27 2011-03-18T11:12:37 <andialbrecht> Or is it used in other places too?
28 2011-03-18T11:15:59 *** andialbrecht
29 2011-03-18T11:17:29 <dreimark> andialbrecht_: we use it also for kvstore, see MoinMoin.util.kvstore to get a fast index of meta data
30 2011-03-18T11:38:13 *** Marchael
31 2011-03-18T11:39:19 *** andialbrecht_
32 2011-03-18T11:41:03 <andialbrecht> dreimark: ah, ok
33 2011-03-18T13:10:19 *** diofeher_
34 2011-03-18T13:15:36 *** Marchael
35 2011-03-18T13:15:48 *** ErSame
36 2011-03-18T13:40:09 *** Marchael
37 2011-03-18T14:17:06 *** andialbrecht
38 2011-03-18T14:20:46 *** m4k3r
39 2011-03-18T14:29:19 *** ErSame
40 2011-03-18T14:43:35 *** diofeher_
41 2011-03-18T14:55:42 *** ErSame
42 2011-03-18T15:03:03 *** Marchael
43 2011-03-18T15:48:08 *** Marchael
44 2011-03-18T15:53:19 *** Marchael
45 2011-03-18T17:01:16 *** kasun
46 2011-03-18T17:55:37 *** Marchael
47 2011-03-18T18:30:09 *** Marchael
48 2011-03-18T19:18:14 *** maker
49 2011-03-18T19:19:05 <ThomasWaldmann> re
50 2011-03-18T19:19:19 * ThomasWaldmann is still at work, but available for short stuff
51 2011-03-18T19:20:38 *** m4k3r
52 2011-03-18T19:25:18 *** greg_f
53 2011-03-18T19:51:19 *** stephen_
54 2011-03-18T19:51:36 *** stephen_
55 2011-03-18T19:53:17 *** StephenCox
56 2011-03-18T20:05:05 <xorAxAx> "I'm pleased to announce that we have accepted 175 organizations for Google Summer of Code, of which 50 are new. "
57 2011-03-18T20:05:23 <xorAxAx> moin is one of them
58 2011-03-18T20:06:26 <Marchael> cool!
59 2011-03-18T20:06:41 <ThomasWaldmann> \o/
60 2011-03-18T20:06:57 <xorAxAx> 175 is quite a lot
61 2011-03-18T20:22:45 <ThomasWaldmann> don't enter "." in street form field %-)
62 2011-03-18T20:23:28 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2011/moin
63 2011-03-18T20:24:08 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we need mentors now :)
64 2011-03-18T20:25:06 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: waiting for approval
65 2011-03-18T20:26:17 <ThomasWaldmann> done
66 2011-03-18T20:26:32 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you also have to fill out some forms
67 2011-03-18T20:27:24 <xorAxAx> hah, gender other
68 2011-03-18T20:28:12 *** andialbrecht_
69 2011-03-18T20:28:31 <waldi> hmm. ten minutes ago this failed with some cryptic error
70 2011-03-18T20:29:16 <xorAxAx> waldi: what - gender other? :D
71 2011-03-18T20:29:40 <waldi> no, mentor requests
72 2011-03-18T20:30:00 <waldi> xorAxAx: i'm glad they don't ask for sex
73 2011-03-18T20:30:04 <xorAxAx> 10 min. ago moin wasnt registered yet
74 2011-03-18T20:30:17 <xorAxAx> hehe
75 2011-03-18T20:31:17 *** andialbrecht
76 2011-03-18T20:32:14 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ok, forms to fill out
77 2011-03-18T20:32:27 <ThomasWaldmann> hey, NO 500 yet! :P
78 2011-03-18T20:33:06 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: good news from https://bitbucket.org/mchaput/whoosh/issue/115/dual-licensing-woosh mchaput promise to publish code under BSD license, may I start to get familiar with whoosh? :)
79 2011-03-18T20:33:21 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: good idea :)
80 2011-03-18T20:33:32 *** sinha_
81 2011-03-18T20:35:06 <ThomasWaldmann> hi sinha_
82 2011-03-18T20:35:18 <sinha_> hello sir
83 2011-03-18T20:35:30 <sinha_> i wanted to get involved in the gsco 11 for moinmoin projects
84 2011-03-18T20:35:34 <sinha_> *gsoc
85 2011-03-18T20:35:40 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: mentors are not decided yet. but you can just talk to all of us here.
86 2011-03-18T20:35:56 <sinha_> i am basically interested in UI designing part
87 2011-03-18T20:36:17 <sinha_> I am quite a pro in css/javascript/jquery as well as having good photoshop/flash skills
88 2011-03-18T20:36:39 <ThomasWaldmann> you won't need flash, but the rest sounds good :)
89 2011-03-18T20:37:04 <ThomasWaldmann> have a look at test.moinmo.in, that is how it looks like right now
90 2011-03-18T20:39:40 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: and notice our .in domain :D
91 2011-03-18T20:40:00 <sinha_> yes sir is that from india ?
92 2011-03-18T20:40:50 *** diofeher_
93 2011-03-18T20:41:21 <ThomasWaldmann> well, everything else matching on moinmoin somehow was already gone
94 2011-03-18T20:42:07 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: could ex GSoC students participate to moin as mentors?
95 2011-03-18T20:42:38 <Marchael> I`m know one who can be a good mentor :)\
96 2011-03-18T20:43:06 <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe :)
97 2011-03-18T20:43:11 <xorAxAx> well, depends
98 2011-03-18T20:43:57 <sinha_> i wanted to suggest a new idea what not in current wikimedia itself. as we know pages are full of referenced local links..we can create a plugin which shows a brief detail of that referenced link on hovering over them
99 2011-03-18T20:44:28 <sinha_> i know its kind of unusual but it uses to save a lot of time than reloading..and fits well when we just want to know little info
100 2011-03-18T20:44:47 <ThomasWaldmann> that stuff is a bit a matter of taste
101 2011-03-18T20:44:57 <sinha_> and in the web2.0 scenario ..i think it would be a good idea
102 2011-03-18T20:45:16 <sinha_> but is will also affect usabillity
103 2011-03-18T20:45:19 <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes it might be useful, but if you can't move your mouse without bubbles popping up everywhere, it can be also annoying
104 2011-03-18T20:46:10 <sinha_> we could change that trigerring event..but kind of ease it will provide will be great for many users
105 2011-03-18T20:46:24 <xorAxAx> mediawiki supports that
106 2011-03-18T20:46:39 <xorAxAx> and its a nuisance IMHO
107 2011-03-18T20:47:24 <sinha_> xorAxAx: can you give me any live link where i can see that ?
108 2011-03-18T20:47:49 <xorAxAx> sinha_: i dont know any public wiki that has it enabled, sorry
109 2011-03-18T20:48:47 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: btw, as you are new to moin, it is a good idea for you to get active rather soon and contribute some stuff (doesn't need to be related to the project you want to do, but maybe something were you can show your skills, so we'll know you by then, when we have to score your appl.)
110 2011-03-18T20:50:02 <sinha_> i have two sites running on internet live used by around 2500+ people a) http://alumni.iiit.ac.in b)http:/junctionadmission.com
111 2011-03-18T20:50:11 <sinha_> http://junctionadmission.com
112 2011-03-18T20:50:32 <sinha_> and i have developed web applications like real time text chat using ajax
113 2011-03-18T20:51:02 <sinha_> and developed a learning system based course management portal used in my university intranet
114 2011-03-18T20:51:30 <sinha_> i have used skills like html/css/jquery,PHP,MySql
115 2011-03-18T20:51:40 *** maker
116 2011-03-18T20:51:51 <sinha_> and i am also comfortable with image editor tools like photoshop/gimp
117 2011-03-18T20:52:24 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: sounds good, put links to open source code and public web sites into your appl.
118 2011-03-18T20:53:35 <sinha_> i did not understand open source code ?
119 2011-03-18T20:53:50 <sinha_> the codes which i used to develop these applications
120 2011-03-18T20:54:27 <ThomasWaldmann> it is always good if you can show some code that you did
121 2011-03-18T20:54:49 <sinha_> okay that i can do by putting up on my website
122 2011-03-18T20:55:21 <ThomasWaldmann> if you don't have any OSS code, you can also contribute some to moin in the next weeks, just to show how your stuff looks like :)
123 2011-03-18T20:56:38 <sinha_> okay.is there anytihng you want to suggest for me ? as moin is written in python and i am not that much pro into it so from where should i start ?
124 2011-03-18T20:57:27 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you can do something similar as you would do later
125 2011-03-18T20:57:47 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if you want to do theming stuff, check what we already have there and fix some stuff
126 2011-03-18T20:58:18 <ThomasWaldmann> templates, css, js stuff
127 2011-03-18T20:59:13 <ThomasWaldmann> if you use moin2 a bit and play with it, it should be no problem to find something that needs fixing or improvement
128 2011-03-18T21:01:08 <sinha_> okay i am on it.will discuss with you if i did something.
129 2011-03-18T21:01:28 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0 there are some pointers
130 2011-03-18T21:01:51 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have a flatrate for your internet connection, it is always a good idea to hang out here with us :)
131 2011-03-18T21:01:53 <xorAxAx> sinha_: also note that you a good php coder is not yet a good python coder :)
132 2011-03-18T21:03:05 <sinha_> xorAxAx: well i did some coding in python ..i have developed a unicode based spell checker in python..i just havent used in web applications
133 2011-03-18T21:03:18 <xorAxAx> sinha_: ok
134 2011-03-18T21:03:27 <xorAxAx> sinha_: we are looking forward to see such code
135 2011-03-18T21:03:39 <xorAxAx> sinha_: and await small contributions by you :)
136 2011-03-18T21:04:00 <sinha_> xorAxAx: ofocurse.
137 2011-03-18T21:05:18 <sinha_> i would like to work on the javasscript/css thing.I can convert javascript functions to jquery ones thus making code cleaner and also could improve css on page.
138 2011-03-18T21:05:49 <xorAxAx> that doesnt sound like 3 months of fulltime work :)
139 2011-03-18T21:07:19 *** m4k3r
140 2011-03-18T21:07:36 <sinha_> xorAxAx: yes that is what i want to do in summer,but to show my skill at work what should i do now ? cover few javascript functions or should improve some CSS
141 2011-03-18T21:07:40 <sinha_> *convert
142 2011-03-18T21:08:13 <xorAxAx> if you want to code in summer, you should already contribute some python code to moin
143 2011-03-18T21:08:22 <xorAxAx> not just css/js changes
144 2011-03-18T21:08:29 <xorAxAx> in the best case, you would do both
145 2011-03-18T21:09:08 <sinha_> xorAxAx: can you please suggest me some for now ?
146 2011-03-18T21:09:21 <xorAxAx> sinha_: well, you could try to fix a bug
147 2011-03-18T21:09:29 <xorAxAx> or implement a small feature request
148 2011-03-18T21:09:35 <xorAxAx> or go to EasyToDo
149 2011-03-18T21:09:41 <xorAxAx> and pick a task from that page
150 2011-03-18T21:11:23 <sinha_> okay i have seen the list..i will choose one according to my abilities.
151 2011-03-18T21:13:15 *** Marchael
152 2011-03-18T21:21:04 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: maybe just start with having your local moin development system :)
153 2011-03-18T21:25:10 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: local means adding features to my localcopy and not publishing it
154 2011-03-18T21:25:52 <ThomasWaldmann> no, of course you should publish, but local means that you have moin2 running on your machine, using a checkout of the moin-2.0 repo
155 2011-03-18T21:26:20 <ThomasWaldmann> if you like, you can fork it on bitbucket
156 2011-03-18T21:27:17 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: okay .i see.
157 2011-03-18T21:29:20 <ThomasWaldmann> (this is in our new docs, btw :)
158 2011-03-18T21:30:51 <StephenCox> Hi all, I've written a moin2 storage backend for CouchDB. Is this the sort of thing you'd consider including in the core?
159 2011-03-18T21:31:21 <ThomasWaldmann> if it is well maintained, maybe
160 2011-03-18T21:32:25 <ThomasWaldmann> (a big problem is if core code is unmaintained, then it is better if it is not in the core)
161 2011-03-18T21:32:27 <StephenCox> It works, but needs some more work before it's ready for production use
162 2011-03-18T21:33:13 <StephenCox> I can post a patch. I'd appreciate it if someone could have a look and let me know what they think
163 2011-03-18T21:33:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
164 2011-03-18T21:34:40 <StephenCox> http://www.src-dev.com/couchdb.patch
165 2011-03-18T21:46:34 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there were some recent changes and breakage with uuid stuff
166 2011-03-18T21:47:52 <ThomasWaldmann> and that timestamp and size property was moved to metadata
167 2011-03-18T21:50:48 <StephenCox> The backend separates the stuff it needs and general metadata. There probably should be greater sharing between the two
168 2011-03-18T21:55:44 <StephenCox> Ah, OK, you're reffering to changes in the backend API.
169 2011-03-18T21:56:16 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
170 2011-03-18T21:56:28 <ThomasWaldmann> but be careful, the stuff needs more work
171 2011-03-18T21:56:35 <ThomasWaldmann> duck & cover :D
172 2011-03-18T21:57:53 <StephenCox> Thats' fine. The backend still needs some work anyway so it can be modified as needed
173 2011-03-18T21:59:33 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it currently may crash with uuid keyerror
174 2011-03-18T22:00:01 <ThomasWaldmann> i've tried to fix it, but i don't think i've found the best place yet to create item uuid
175 2011-03-18T22:03:26 <StephenCox> CouchDB stores everything by uuid so it would be handy to have it defined in the API.
176 2011-03-18T22:03:56 <ThomasWaldmann> if you want to help, help finding a good place :)
177 2011-03-18T22:04:05 <ThomasWaldmann> see recent commits for my tries
178 2011-03-18T22:05:46 <StephenCox> I'll have a look, I'm still getting to know the code.
179 2011-03-18T22:06:15 *** StephenCox
180 2011-03-18T22:06:42 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: is there any link where i can see how files are organized in moin. like where is static pages and where is dynamic ones ?
181 2011-03-18T22:07:07 <ThomasWaldmann> some small intro to the moin code is in the new docs
182 2011-03-18T22:07:31 <ThomasWaldmann> other than that, just look around, it is easy to find
183 2011-03-18T22:08:17 <ThomasWaldmann> if you find something missing, doc patches are also welcome :D
184 2011-03-18T22:10:59 <sinha_> okay .i found it.
185 2011-03-18T22:26:16 <CIA-50> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5771:a8dec8a9071c 1.9/MoinMoin/macro/FootNote.py: FootNote macro: it CAN contain wiki markup
186 2011-03-18T22:34:42 *** kasun
187 2011-03-18T22:43:36 *** m4k3r
188 2011-03-18T22:44:52 *** m4k3r
189 2011-03-18T22:49:13 *** diofeher_
190 2011-03-18T23:00:36 *** cdom
191 2011-03-18T23:09:50 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: From where could i download the 2.0 version i am only seeing 1.9.3 at this location http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinDownload
192 2011-03-18T23:11:00 *** cdom_
193 2011-03-18T23:13:02 *** cdom
194 2011-03-18T23:19:44 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: see the docs referred from MoinMoin2.0 wiki page
195 2011-03-18T23:20:28 <ThomasWaldmann> (there is only a developer install method right now)
196 2011-03-18T23:23:24 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: its given that moin 2.0 is very much different from 1.9.x ..so the requested feature on feature request page could be done in moin 2.0 ?
197 2011-03-18T23:24:21 <ThomasWaldmann> we'll likely ONLY do moin2 projects
198 2011-03-18T23:25:59 <sinha_> okay.
199 2011-03-18T23:26:07 <sinha_> i am getting that version now !
200 2011-03-18T23:26:25 *** kasun
201 2011-03-18T23:48:42 *** m4k3r
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